Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 namaskar to all friends i want to know that " does this love exists in this world or not , if you say yes then how " .How do you love someone ie want to know karmic side and not feeling side. i know feeling can not be expressed in words but at least you can tell what are the karmic system of love. how it is executed. and practically i have seen that it is not possible . i may be wrong idea of karmic aspects of love . could you please clear thanks to all Hare Krishna ,Hare Krishna ,Krishna Krishna ,Hare Hare,Hare Rama ,Hare Rama ,Rama Rama ,Hare Hare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Jitendarji, Love isnt Karmic, Moha(selfish attachment) is Karmic. I read this great thing once: A fool takes Knowledge for Wisdom Kindness for Stupidity Forgiveness for Weakness Selfish attachment for True Love love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Jitendarji, Love isnt Karmic, Moha(selfish attachment) is Karmic. I > read this great thing once: > > A fool takes > > Knowledge for Wisdom > Kindness for Stupidity > Forgiveness for Weakness > Selfish attachment for True Love > > love > Shantnu > Shanji, Can you enlight me with examples please. I could not understand. Sarvamaatha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > Shanji, > > Can you enlight me with examples please. I could not understand. > > Sarvamaatha. > A fool takes > > > > Knowledge for Wisdom Fools assume that just because they have read a few books, memorised the Gita, even written a few books, they have become wise, without any spiritual experience. > > Kindness for Stupidity When foolish people see others doing charity, he makes fun of them. " Whats the use of helping this beggar, he will just buy alcohol from it. " " I dont give to charities- most of money is wasted on management anyway " . They use this type of logic to avoid any kindness. > > Forgiveness for Weakness If you forgive a fool, he will never accept your greatness. Instead he will say things like " He was scared of me, thats why he forgave me. " Or that he deserved to be forgiven, because he is so great. > > Selfish attachment for True Love This applies to all the Romeo type lovers, who take sexual attraction or egoistical demands to be true love. You can tell the difference from True Love & selifh attachment, is that True Love doesnt get angry when its desires arent fulfilled. love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > secondaly Lord Rama killed a beautifull dear (marichi)because of the > Love of Maan Sita , if i say to you. sorry little bit offending , > but please clearify it . Lord Rama also punished to someone in the > form of a crow , who touched the feet of Maan Sita . was it not the > Love of the Lord for Maan Sita. Ram didnt kill the deer because Sita said " If you love me, kill it " . Ram was a Kshatriya, a warrior, & killing was normal for Kings. Besides, they lived in the jungle, & hunting was one of few sources of food they had. Sita never made any egoistical demands on Ram, & vice versa. > i am simply talking the love between the two persons and not with > the God . is it possible to cretae the divine love between the two > like Lord Rama & Maan Sita............. Yes it is possible, but both the lovers must be very high level Sadhaks, so they can see God in each other. This is very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: Dear Jitinder In Mahabharat Yudhistira says - I love Duryodhana but he does not love me...and i know very well that he will not change due to my love...but still i will continue loving him. He further says- True love does not care for the loved. I love Himalayas, and I know it cant give me anything in return. I also know that Himalays even dont know that I love him. But that has not barred me from loving Himalayas. I love Himalayas because I love them and dont axpect anything in return, not even the acknowledgement of my love. I think this is a good example of Divine Love. Shri Rama was god incarnated and Mother Sita was Adi-Shakti....so their love and their demands for each other are not ego-centri. Golden deer was an important part of Leela, and both of them knew it. We human beings work from our Ahankaar and sanskaars and our demands and our love is tained by physical energies... it can not become divine love. Of course if it is like Yudhistra's love then the story changes Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 There is nothing like " feeling of love " that can be " generated " . The Love, like other attributes, is just one of the attribute of the Lord, but it tops the list and is the supreme attribute. The others are like : " krodha " " kama " " Dharma " and the total amount of all these are always constant. When i come to specifics of love, Love gets " manifested " as attribute of lord, when there is separation of Lords, attribute. To understand this in detail, in terms of material universe, one has to understand how did this attribute flow to the Mahat-Tattva. The whole manifest , was expanded by the meditating lord, and this Great expansion and the act of meditation was done just for the love, to the separated souls or " baddha Jiva " . Can you see here, These Baddha Jiva's are nothign but the concious part of the lord, who do not accept that they are part of Lord, and wants to have individual Lordship. But in reality, they are part of the Lord, and Lord feels the pain of separation, when his own part Jiva's dis-align and does not accept him as the father. and hence , the Lords love for these Jiva's and hence the manifestation of the Maha-Vishnu. SIMILARLY, In Baddha Jiva's who are all being manifested in the gross material nature, sprung form the mahat-tattva, cannot for long, be in the illusion world , that they are the lords, and will see the truth everywhere, and will witness, there in ability to control, and Lord over. and at different stages feel different levels of un-belongingness and belongingness, and hence love takes birth. This is the so called " Pure Love " . But in different forms, of material manifest, different attributes gets mixed, and in human form , it is very easy to see that Love is mixed with Lust. also with anger, and many more. the process of enlightenment, automatically, reduces this corrupted love, and other attributes are gradually separated, and when one understands his true nature and The one who is his source, and how he is the part of that whole, He will have the pure Love, or the pure attribute. The best example is Buddha. It is only after understanding this, that Buddha was able to reject Moksha and Nirvana. A sacrifice of this magnitude is only possible when he knows that he is perfectly protected by the lord, and there is no other control , as whatever, in existence. This is why i like the saying, " when Buddha Opens his eyes, Ignorance is gone " . It is so true isn't it. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > > i asked that how can you do love with a person who is living in > this world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , deito01 <no_reply wrote: > > and hence , the Lords love for these Jiva's and hence the > manifestation of the Maha-Vishnu. > Deito this is superb and beautiful !!! Will you kindly explain further Mahat-Tattwa and Maha-Vishnu ? AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > > > secondaly Lord Rama killed a beautifull dear (marichi)because of the > > Love of Maan Sita , if i say to you. sorry little bit offending , > > but please clearify it . Lord Rama also punished to someone in the > > form of a crow , who touched the feet of Maan Sita . was it not the > > Love of the Lord for Maan Sita. > >Jitendra you cant compare the love of God to the moha of people. Love sets you free, moha ties you.Love is unconditional. When Sita maa asked for the deer and Maarichi was killed he got salvation. This is God's benevolence.God loves everyone be it a demon or a saint. You dont have the right to kill anyone because you can not give them back thier life or salvation. So there is no point in comparing God's leela with foolish activities of mortals. Those who love do not kill anyone because love of God means compassion and love for all. People who love God dont think that they have the right to toy with the life of others. They help others, try to relieve them of thier pains ; they dont kill others! Killing the children of God is not pardonable! People are idiots.They justify eating non vegetarian food but this is another form of violence. Its one of the basis of kaliyuga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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