A question about your Last birth

[Guest guest]

Anusuya ji

I give some hints which is my imagination basing Bhagvadgita

Pair of Husband and wife is a single person and each called better

half (ardhangni is said to wife in our scriptures).Dreaming is the

reason of becoming woman and planned work is reason for man.Excessive

dreaming by a pair converts in to a woman which remain unmarried hole

life.Similarly excessive planned woking is reason for a unmarried man

in next birth.If you have feared of death and trying to avoid it,It

means you have got Buddhiyaoga given by Lord krishna.Otherwise try to

chant Lord krishna.No doubt your spiritual life in previous birth is

the reason for it.No doubt Lord Krishna is the finest spiritual

teacher who is the teacher of teachers.I think you are getting

blessings of Lord Krishna.Try to catch it.

sudesh deokate

[Guest guest]

Dear ansuya, welcome to our our satsang...another friend from YA

 

I am not aware of any particular meditation which leads to recall of

last births, although there must be some.

 

But i must say from my experience, that any sadhna can make us

capable of peeping into our past lives. This is done by God to show

us certain faults of ours which lead to problem now...or some of our

qualities of last birth which we should develop now too.

 

When one is fixed in the Dhyana state of meditation, past lives are

glimpsed through visions or dreams, alongwith future showing dreams

too. But we can not really chose, in the beginning state of

meditation to see our lives. It may be possible when one becomes

Siddha.

 

The recall of past lives is not really a miracle, as all the

memories of all of our lives is recorded in our Chitta. Due to

present occupation, we are unable to recall them. When mind is

concentrated, the chitta itself then starts presenting glimpses of

past lives first as pictures and later as scenes...but these are

always confusing and never clear...and after sometimes we are able

to link particular vision with our past lives.

 

I had had glimpses of such recalls...where i could see my sadhna

friends... who were with me in last births too. their faces were

different but i knew well who is who in past lives. These glimpses

confirmed to me that we were doing sadhna together in last births

too.

 

I had read in a book of Roscicrucian society about a woman who

wished to renunce the world, and become full time siddha so she went

to the guru and asked for his permission...the guru asked - but you

have a daughter who can not walk. The woman said- i will put her

into special school for handicapped and be free.

 

The guru thought for a while and then put his thumb on the Agya

chakra of the woman. She started seeing her past lives. She saw

two births before she was a princess in Scotland and she had a

younger sister, more beautiful than her and who was in love with a

prince. The elder sister also loved the prince so she planned

things in such a way, that when the younger ones goes to the

mountain to see sunrise, she would fall down due to weak corner,

which was engineered by elder one.

 

The younger sister fell down but saved losing her both legs. But

her soul knew and wished to take revenge from elder sister. In next

birth she became husband of that sister and within one year of

marriage the couple met with the accident and the husband lost his

both legs. The woman divorced her.

 

In this birth her sister came as her daughter, and from birth had

defected legs and was unable to walk. Doctors had confirmed she

would never be able to walk.

 

When the woman came back from her visions of past lives, there were

tears in her eyes....she knew now the secret of her daughter's

illness. so she asked guru ji about next course of action.

 

The guru told - see your younger sister's soul will not leave you

till her revenge is complete...she will come back again and again to

trouble you. If you throw her to orphanage now and get rid of her

in the name of joining spirituality....she will trouble you in next

birth...moreover you cant get enlightenment due to this Karmic debt.

 

So to satisfy your sister's soul, serve you daughter. She will not

be recovered, but do massage on her legs...ask for forgiveness from

her. Weep before her and say that she should forgive you.

 

The woman did the same...left her job and everything and served the

daughter...and after some months the girl died natural death without

any pain.

 

Guru told - her soul is now satisfied with your repentance and your

dedication and service... now she is free and will take new birth as

normal girl..and you are also now free to start your spirituality.

 

So for a Sadhaka, the memories of last lives are given to

indicate something... we should carefully watch those visions and

dreams and see if there is a message for your...and as Keshavji told

there is a message

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

Babaji that was a great story and if the story is real then all the

relations we have to be somewhere related to our past live. And we get

few from this is there any break in the cycle. Please enlighten me

 

 

Regards

 

Badri

[Guest guest]

>

> Guru told - her soul is now satisfied with your repentance and your

> dedication and service... now she is free and will take new birth as

> normal girl..and you are also now free to start your spirituality.

>

>Oh Farah see what a great example of past life karma and of people

becoming a cause of troubles. Looks like I did wrong to many people in

past lives that is why I have so many enremies! lol

[Guest guest]

The reason most Gurus discourage last life retrieval is, it leads to

lot of romantisation. Everyone is usually a King, or a dangerous

Tantric, or an almost Brahm Gyani.

 

It is of no help spiritually, but leads to unnecessary fanatasies. Im

not saying its always wrong- if it happens naturally in sadhna like it

happened to Anysuya or Babaji it is good, but people specifically

trying to know their previous life become victims of either

fanatasies, or fraud.

 

In the US, there was a survey, almost 50-60% of people(including men)

thought they were Cleopatara in their previous life. Now this cant be

true, for I clearly remember being Cleopatra, so those Americans must

be lying!

 

The reason its of no use is, when a person dies, say Ram dies, his

Soul or Higher Self takes a look at all its Karma(called Sanchit, or

total Karma), then out of those, chooses a few to create a new

body,say Shyam. Now Ram & Shyam have no link to each other, except

they were created by same soul.

 

If Ram was a very violent man, this life he might face violence, & be

forced not to respond. He will have to learn how to be patient & calm.

Now if he can see his previous life, it might tell him *why* is facing

all these troubles, but it will not help him in how to learn calmness.

 

In fact, whether he sees his past life or not, makes no difference, as

he still has to learn all those spiritual lessons he was born to

learn. What then is the use of knowing if you were Raja Bhoj, Gangu

Teli, or like me, Queen Cleopatra?

 

love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

Badriji, I remember reading in Autobiography if a Yogi, when a person

dies & goes to whatever level he does, he meets thousands of souls, he

knows all of them, as we have all been related to one another in one

or other of the millions of lives we have taken.

 

Unless one is a Deva, forced to take birth due to some error after

millions of years in heaven, you will be related to most people on

Earth someway or other.

 

So you see, there is no way to avoid your useless relatives!

[Guest guest]

, " BHADRA RAO JANAGAM " <bjanagam

wrote:

>

> Babaji that was a great story and if the story is real then all the

> relations we have to be somewhere related to our past live. And we

get

> few from this is there any break in the cycle. Please enlighten me

 

 

Yes Badri the story is real !!! Roscicrucian Society is well

known group of yogis and their guru was an elightened one...(though

christians hate them..as they are actually christians)

 

The second part of this story is even more amazing. In Delhi we

had a small meditation group and one of our friend there had a son

aged 16, mentally retarded... our friend was really very Dukhi due

to his son, as he was like a vegetable.

 

so in a meditation session i read out this story to my co-

sadhakas... my friend heard the story..and went home and started

doing same thing to his son. He stopped getting angry on him or

cursing him...and took over all his service, bathing him or feeding

him or taking him out.

 

When everybody slept...he would kiss the feet of the boy and

would weep and ask him to forgive him for his past live deeds.

After about 2 months the boy died peacefully while sleeping

 

It is only after his son's death, our friend revealed to us what

he did!!!!

 

Any one coming into our life has a past connection.. not only

our close relative, but our enemies too.

 

Specially the women in our life.... if a woman loves a man

dearly, her soul always hovers round the man and she would come back

as his mother, wife, daughter etc....

 

and it is said sons come either to repay the debt or to trouble

you.... abt which there is a good story which i will share later

 

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

> Any one coming into our life has a past connection.. not only

> our close relative, but our enemies too.

>

> Specially the women in our life.... if a woman loves a man

> dearly, her soul always hovers round the man and she would come back

> as his mother, wife, daughter etc....

>

> and it is said sons come either to repay the debt or to trouble

> you.... abt which there is a good story which i will share later

>

baba now I know why people say that daughters always love but sons

usually forget thier parents lol

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

 

> baba now I know why people say that daughters always love but sons

> usually forget thier parents lol

>

 

Yes you are right...Daughter's love is deeper in most of the

cases.. my daughter loves me like a little Durga caring for her son

(hope my son doesnt read it and become Jealous like Radharani...LOL)

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

baba what a beautiful description of love... Only one who has deep

love for God can write this. I will put it in short Jitendra- love is

our real nature, servitude our real position. We love in any case but

the love for the world never satisfies us because thats not our true

nature . So we get fulfillement in God's love only.Only its a matter of

putting the plug in the right socket.

lol baba I remember some ISKCON person saying about you to me on ya-

" he is a maayavadi. what does he know about bhaktas and bhakti " lol

 

love

[Guest guest]

Shanracer,

 

I agree with you... Most of the times a past life recall is just curiosity

and it could lead to delusion also... People start fantasizing about

something or the other and waste their time..

 

But there is deep meaning in what Babaji says too.... God will choose what

to reveal and when for the betterment of our sadhna..

 

The thing is past life regression can be done. there is a method to it.

 

What we are experiencing now is the result of our karma... and there is a

reason to it. if we can stop thoughts (using any method) for a while and

just focus on our present chain of events without being associated with

them, then there is a very good chance of a past life regression.

 

But then this will happen when we need it and it is not advisable to get

into this mess.

 

Infact it is also possible to see what other people were in their past lives

and what your relationship to them was. This is even more dangerous and

could lead to a lot of confusion and delay in progress.

 

But if our mind has settled down to such an extent that most of the things

will not affect us, then it is ok. But at such a stage we will not want to

see our past or present lives... we would be too busy with God for all

that.......)

 

Love

 

Bala...

[Guest guest]

Hi Ansuya...

 

Past lives are as much or more a dream as the present one... do not bother

about it...I was into all this nonsense 10 years back.... no doubt I got

experiences and learnt some techniques... but they are all deviations from

the path.

 

The more you get into this the more psychic abilities are developed. but as

Ramakrishna paramahamsa used to say... " Heaps of trash.... " Now I too agree

with him and would place a moment of pure love way above all this.

 

Love

 

Bala...

[Guest guest]

, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

 

 

Shanracer and bala why do you think everyone is as enlightened as

you are ?

 

I dont think of Moksha and some god without name and form sitting

somewhere. I believe in Karma and knowing about my past lives, i

can adjust my karma like-wise

 

Is it something being Not-spiritual ?

 

Ansuya

 

Aum Thanks for welcome. This is wonderful place. I like this group

better than YA.

[Guest guest]

Well said Ansuya...

 

There is nothing called non spiritual.......either everything is spiritual

or everything is non-spiritual.

 

But there is just one small catch.....

 

If you start looking at ALL past lives to adjust out your karma....a few

questions arise

 

1. How to make sure that you have covered all past human births... as per

Hindu scriptures...it could range from one to a few million....!!!

2. How to find out if those experiences are authentic or just a flight of

fantasy...you might be working out some nonexistant karma!!

3. Assuming you are able to wade through all those lives and segregate all

those actions.... how are u going to Adjust your karma???

 

Just curious

 

Love

 

Bala...

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

> lol baba I remember some ISKCON person saying about you to me on ya-

> " he is a maayavadi. what does he know about bhaktas and bhakti " lol

 

Aradhana I remember that...but that person knows only ISKCON,

whereas my path is Bhakti, gyan,sankhya, mayavaad, purnayoga,buddhism,

karma, yoga, tantra,besides being and a common man altogether...so

obviously they got confused...LOL

 

My moto is very clear...NO REJECTION OF ANY TRUTH !!

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> My moto is very clear...NO REJECTION OF ANY TRUTH !!

>

>Namaste all.

O.K. Baba, got it. Actually it wasnt his fault, he said that which the

books of his school told. Perhaps because rejection of advaita and

impersonalists is a part of all thier books so he assumed that it was a

part of devotion too.He was just trying to e faithful to his " school "

maybe. He said that he wasnt an ISKCONist but he belonged to that math

of Vaishnavas.

 

Thanks Urvashi ji this poem is really very touching.

 

Baba I am curious. One day you posed a question of why some sadhaks

fall down and become very materialistic but later they bounce back all

of a sudden. Why does it happen baba??

[Guest guest]

> Baba I am curious. One day you posed a question of why some sadhaks

> fall down and become very materialistic but later they bounce back >all

> of a sudden. Why does it happen baba??

 

 

Sadhaks have to learn how to avoid materialistic thoughts, but by

living in a materialist world, not running away from it.

 

When their time is ready, they become very materialistic. Then they

get big shocks, where they realise the uselessness & fleeting pleasure

of material comforts. They realise all their material comforts bring

them no joy.

 

Then when they turn to spirituality, it is a very strong turn. They

cannot be tempted back, as they have seen futility of worldly joy.

They can then continue living in world, yet not affected by it.

 

The alternative is to run from the world, starve yourself so your

senses become weak. The problem is, the 1st time you get good food, or

an apsara comes dancing, all your forced control will fail, & you will

be back where you started.

 

We have to lose interest in the world of senses, but in the presense

of objects of senses. Even if a big chocolate cake is in front of you,

& you dont feel like jumping up & finishing it, that is control, not

trying to avoid the shop that sells cakes.

 

love

shantnu

[Guest guest]

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

I am curious. One day you posed a question of why some sadhaks

> fall down and become very materialistic but later they bounce back

all

> of a sudden. Why does it happen baba??

 

Dear Aradhana, sometimes back i put this question to Keshavji - as to

why Ravan and Kansa became so important that God had to incarnate to

kill them.... God never incarnated for a bhakta but for

sinners...WHY... why Ravan and Kansa became so big asuras, and what

they did that they deserved Moksha by being killed by God himself.

 

Unfortunately question got lost....and neither Keshavji nor any

other one clarified..

 

Can you reply this ??

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

It can be said to be an example of Gods game: You say you love God for

millions of years, yet God wont listen. Threaten to destroy his game,

& he comes running!

 

Its like a baby playing- the Mother will ignore it. Babies know if

they want attention- if they try to break something or start crying,

mommy will come running.

 

The same trick works with God. So the question is, why dont more

people use it?

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> The same trick works with God. So the question is, why dont more

> people use it?

>

Yes Shanracer it can be one of the points..but it generates more

questions.

 

Why Krishna killed Kansa and gave him Moksha and when Jarasandha

came to attack Mathura, instead of killing him, Krishna ran away

(even now his bhaktas call him Ranchhod dasji - the one who runs

away from battle field).

 

Why Krishna did not kill Duryodhana, Bhimshma Pitamah, Drona,

Karna..etc and vowed not to use weapons.

 

Instead Krishna chose to Kill shishupaal, his cousin...he would

have killed Duryodhana and ended the Mahabharat there itself.

 

So there must be something special about Hirnyakashyap, Pootna,

Kansa, shishoopaal, Ravan etc...that they got Moksha without doing

anything... a common man would take that if you become very bad God

will give you Moksha >>>>LOL

 

Isnt it something like giving Moksha to Osama Bin Laden ?

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> Unfortunately question got lost....and neither Keshavji nor any

> other one clarified..

>

> Can you reply this ??

>

>oh hi Dieto ! Iam extremely sorry. That day I had recieved atleast 90

mails. With much difficulty I searched ur e mail id from amongst them

and noted it down but then I lost the paper. Never mind. Welcome.

 

Namaste Baba. Namaste all others.Thanks Shanracer ji.Maybe I got the

answer.

Baba I think that God never leaves the sadhaks alone. He constantly

helps them during thier journey. A sadhak who has some past karmas or

isnt free of vikaaras is never really left alone by God. He is

constantly trying to bring the sadhak closer to himself even when the

saadhak has forgotten him.I think baba the closer the saadhak is to God

the greater is his fall after which he bounces back.

God etches out a plan whereby he will always help the sadhak in some

way or the other to burn whatever remains and bring him even closer to

himself.Such people who suddenly become very spiritual have always some

past story, some history of being very close to God at some point but

they fall due to some fault, incomplete sadhna, unburnt desires or

karma etc and I think they suffer a lot and sometimes for a very long

time but God is always there with them.

 

Jai Vijay too were brought down by the curse of Lakshmi maata which

Lord Narayana reduced from seven to three births and since being

devotees they didnt want to forget him they remembered him in

animosity. And baba without a doubt I agree that its the negativities

and helplessness of his dear devotees for which he comes down and does

a lot. Think about it - when he comes down he helps all but there are

some special ones like Ravan for whom he does much more than for

others.

wHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS BABA? AM I RIGHT OR WRONG? DO YOU THINK

THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES THIS TOO?

 

THE CURSE OR THE NEGATIVITIES TOO ARE CHANGED INTO BLESSINGS FOR SADHAK

I THINK OR MAYBE THEY ARE NOTHING ELSE BUT BLESSINGS ONLY

[Guest guest]

> Why Krishna did not kill Duryodhana, Bhimshma Pitamah, Drona,

> Karna..etc and vowed not to use weapons.

 

Babji, a wise man once told me- if you cant become Gandhi, become Hitler.

 

God doesnt like average people, maybe because God himself isnt

average! If you want to become good, become so good, that like

Ramakrishna, Kali will be forced to come down to save you.

 

If you want to become evil, become so evil that Gods whole leela is

threatened. Being a part time evil crook like Duryodhan or Jarashandh

isnt good enough. These people were Tamoguni, but they never really

theareted Gods leela -after all, we still have many Tamoguni people

who insult women, start petty wars etc, try to kill their brothers but

God doesnt care!

 

Now compare this to Ravan or Kans. Killing little children, commanding

legions of demons to carry out murders, truly these people were evil.

 

Ravan was a master Tantric, who had blessing of Shiv. Once he tried to

carry Kailash mountain to Lanka. He didnt succeed, as Shivji broke his

back, but look at the arrogance of it. An ordinary man would die just

to get vision of Shivji. Ravan had so much power, that he could think

of taking Shiv to his kingdom! Who but God himself could break the

arrogance of such a man.

 

> Instead Krishna chose to Kill shishupaal, his cousin...he would

> have killed Duryodhana and ended the Mahabharat there itself.

 

Shishupal must have had some karma- I think there is a story about it,

I cant remember.

 

> So there must be something special about Hirnyakashyap, Pootna,

> Kansa, shishoopaal, Ravan etc...that they got Moksha without doing

> anything... a common man would take that if you become very bad God

> will give you Moksha >>>>LOL

>

> Isnt it something like giving Moksha to Osama Bin Laden ?

 

Yes, the special thing, if you want to become evil, become pure evil.

Just few evil acts now & then wont help. You need so much power that

Gods existence is threatened- like Ravan or Hirnayakshyap had.

 

Blowing up a few buildings, killing few people here & there isnt good

enough. You are still under control of Mahakaal & the Devas, who can

stop you when they want. But people like Ravan kept the 9 planets as

slaves, Shumb/Nishumb defeated all the Devas in war, Bali kicked

Indra out of heaven.

 

To get that sort of power, they must have meditated for years. If you

can do that much Tapas, only then can you hope to bring down God. The

value is of Tapas, done for good or bad.

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

>

> Instead Krishna chose to Kill shishupaal, his cousin...he would

> have killed Duryodhana and ended the Mahabharat there itself.

>

> So there must be something special about Hirnyakashyap,

Pootna,

> Kansa, shishoopaal, Ravan etc...that they got Moksha without doing

> anything... a common man would take that if you become very bad God

> will give you Moksha >>>>LOL

>

> Isnt it something like giving Moksha to Osama Bin Laden ?

>

> Why are you speaking in riddles baba!? I asked you a simple

question and you turned it into a debate..lol. Do answer my question

otherwise I would better not ask you in future. I have forgotten my

own question after reading all this!

I asked such a simple thing -about sadhaks falling down to turn

spiritual later!

>

[Guest guest]

Everything is controlled by divine time, and everything is defined by

the will of the Lord,

 

Don't be anything, just Leave it to Lord, he will decide on what you

deserve , and how you need to be delivered.

 

If he thinks, you are worthy enough, you will get a life like Ravana,

or Bali, or Dhruva etc. .. who are all great.

 

Why ? Because they all got a great role to play , by Lords will.

 

Why their role is great ?

 

Not because they are powerful, and made god come down. Because they

had enough good Karma, and mercy of Lord, to get delivered form Lord

himself.

 

it is mercy of Lord, that he designed such a cruel and evil Life for

Great should like Ravanaha, and the purpose, is just that The great

Soul, ravana, gets delivered fast and by lord himself.

 

This is all part of Leela, mystifying for sure, but its what Lord has

always been.

 

 

I am not trying to depict you the lines above, I want you all to catch

the idea behind, If you have got the message i wanted to deliver, than

I am blessed.

 

-- Deito

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> God doesnt like average people, maybe because God himself isnt

> average! If you want to become good, become so good, that like

> Ramakrishna, Kali will be forced to come down to save you.

>

[Guest guest]

Obeisances to all! It is very simple. Everybody has his own free will gifted by

God. Intensity of seriousness of certain problem is different in every

individual as well as angle of thinking also differs. Some question taken

serious by me need not be serious to another. If there is same intensity of

seriousness on large scale, there is hidden doubt in many individuals as ' we

are trying our best, but whetherGod will respond?' and this doubt weakens the

intensity. Externally it appears that everybody is serious, but internally

everybody is scattered in different ways because of their own free will. To

succeed in this matter, proper education on large scale illustrating seriousness

of the situation or problem is to be given so that everybody will be aware of

it, think of it and would make up his mind to act accordingly. Heartful regards.

= keshav.

 

shanracer <no_reply > wrote: It can be said to be an

example of Gods game: You say you love God for