Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 , " Balachander Govindaraghavan " <balachand wrote: > What is the reason for this forgetfulness....? Why are we not in the > present?? > > Love > > Bala... Dear Bala, long ago i read a book " Thich Nhat hanh " presented to me by my friend Tatwamasi... this book was based entirely on the thoughts you presented... in it the monk teaches his westener disciple and tells him to wash the cups and when he was washing monk came and told him- I asked you to wash the cup he said- but i am washing the cup monk- no you are thinking of your wife in USA...when you wash the cup...Wash the cup !!! Then he told that we do all our work in unconscious way... and if we do any thing consciously..it becomes a Sadhna AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Yes Babaji... True... My question was WHY??? When consciousness is our real nature... why most of us are diverted?? Why the disease??? What is the root cause?? Love Bala.... On 9/8/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote: >> > monk- no you are thinking of your wife in USA...when you wash the > cup...Wash the cup !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 , " Balachander Govindaraghavan " <balachand wrote: > My question was WHY??? When consciousness is our real nature... why >most of us are diverted?? > Why the disease??? What is the root cause?? Dear spiritual brother, i will hesitate to call it a disease. I will call it a transit point in our upward spiritual evolution. After animals, we woke up in mind and became humans...that z why humans are called Manav. Average person lives in mind, and it is mind's inherent nature not to be in present. It either dwells in past or imagines future. The moment it is focussed in the present moment, it ceases to exist !! Our next step of evolution would be transcending the mind and waking up in Buddhi (or Pragya), for which some of us are consciously trying...and others are depending upon nature to take them to next step. Mind works on thought waves (vritties - of memory, etc), or plans for future. Mind's life depends on action, as it was manifested out of Pure Raj-guna, hence his life is being in action. The present moment has no action...it is stillness, hence mind tries to avoid the present moment to save itself from being nullified. Some buddhistic and mayavadis brought out a way to start living in present moment, and thus destroying the mind, and automatically waking up in pragya. But this is not the whole Truth, just another way of finding the Truth. The best way is to wake up in Pragya and that is possible by being in Sakshi bhava....letting the mind do its actions and watch them from beyond the mind, from Pragya...then from ego...and finally from soul. we can further explore...as i just took one point..there may be other explanations too AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 That is a nice way of looking at it babaji... I was also looking at another emotion today... Desire..... Why is that a human being desires.... What makes a human want something....??? Is it his body wanting... mind wanting.... If we assume that it is the Atman that wants experiences... Why does it want them??? Since consciousness is complete and holds all possibilities within it... Why does atman look outside??? Would love all your comments on these.. Love Bala... On 9/9/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya. Very True Bala Ji and BabaJi. We take up a work or job or action and half way thro we start thinking about the next with out even completing it. When i was in my schooling, even though in the begining stages i didnot dream about college, at the latter days of schooling i started to dream about college. Then in college when i began to enjoy and nearing to the completion, i started dreaming about business. And when i started business i started dreaming of marriage and family life!!!! and even without fully enjoying the married life started dreaming of children....... now after children i am not really enjoying with them fully what i dreamt of but now have started dreaming of their future height what they are going to acheive..... This reminds me of the story told by ShantnuJi - Lord Vishnu offfering the guy of Moksha for a Glass of water. Our mind keeps on wandering, Like bala Ji said when we drive we donot enjoy it instead think of 101 things. Even when doing sadhna ( iam just a crawler not even a beginner ), i start thinking about the acheivements that would happen doing sadhna. As Osho said let the mind wander untill it settles down, i feel it jumps leap and forth. May be this can be applied to one induvidual thing but.......mmm now i understand this when applied to all is sadhna. A question of UNLEARNING things. I expect ( what a funny mind!!! ) more clarifications from the learned group how to unlearn ( really funny mind & thinking !!!!). Shivaya Namah Aum. Thiruchitrambalam. Senthil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Dearest Senthil.... I disagree with you on one point... You are not a crawler....you are not a beginner... YOU ARE DIVINE... In fact all of us are... irrespective of what we might be doing... Just that some of us are GODS who have woken up, some are semi sleepy, some are fast asleep.. But gods all the same.... There is nothing other than divine.....you are already all that you can be..... Ok....now to the topic of discussion..... We can teach ourselves how to hold a pot... Now how to teach ourselves NOT to hold a pot? Simple... just dont hold it.... In my opinion, there is nothing like unlearning... We can only become the witness.... dissociate yourself from everything... even if it is just for a few minutes a day... There is nothing like enlightenment... Just like Gold will shine.... only the dirt has to be removed.... Similarly.. you are already THAT.. just the thoughts have to cease.... I personally like witnessing.... Since It requires No effort from our part... and it is Quick... it cuts through our delusions like a hot knife through butter. Love Bala... On 9/10/07, Senthil <senthil_sym wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya. > > Very True Bala Ji and BabaJi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 , " Balachander Govindaraghavan " <balachand wrote: > Why is that a human being desires.... What makes a human want > something....??? > > Is it his body wanting... mind wanting.... If we assume that it is the Atman > that wants experiences... > Why does it want them??? Since consciousness is complete and holds all > possibilities within it... Why does atman look outside??? Dear Bala, The question is quite relevant. But let me ask another question in reply. Who is it that feels pains and joys... who undergoes birth and death...who yearn for freedom... Certainly it is not Soul.... then who is it ? perhaps that would be the answer Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Babaji... Now a days... I think you are more into ZEN!!! " Sound of the one hand clapping " Love Bala... >who is it who yearns for freedom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 , " Balachander Govindaraghavan " <balachand wrote: LOL...Bala dear Zen or bhakti...Truth remains truth. One of my peons passed the departmental exam for clerks, but had to wait abt a year to actually become a clerk. so when ever we asked him to bring tea or water, he would say. Saheb I am a clerk... why you are asking me to do peons job. So one day our chief gave him a left and right and told him - look the day you become clerk ..You are clerk...till then you are a peon..and do what a peon does. Knowing the duties of a clerk does not make you a clerk !!! Our situation is something like him. We have known or read or heard that we are soul and we have no desires, no moksha only bliss. But can we stop behaving like a human being till we wake up in the soul permanently ??? So let us do our duty as doing sadhna, desiring, crying, laughing...but knowing fully well that it is transitory..and we are going to awaken in the Cosmic Consciousness !! In which category the above statement would fall.... Zen or Tantra ?? Love AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 ZANTRA!!!! On 9/10/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > LOL...Bala dear Zen or bhakti...Truth remains truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 BabaJi and Bala Ji, Soul is apart(above?) from pain, happiness, sadness... feeling, i understand. The human body without a soul is dead, nothing ( 0r a body is dead when the soul leaves the body) and it ( body dead) too does not feel the pain, hapiness, sadness....feelings. So is it the mind that wanders with pain and feelings? if so at the time of birth or soul enters a body a third part mind is produced to feel, and the mind dies as the soul leaves the body??? Is Mind an earthly criteria? How do we relate the sense of any living being to soul as it above the feelings? Medically if a person is in coma where does this mind act? Pls clarify. Thanks. Shivaya Namah Aum. Senthil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 The Atma, is a part of the supersoul. the initial desire is born, when it is not ready to accept its state, and wants to believe that it is complete by itself and not part of something. This initial desire is itself along with atma, giving birth to this desire forms the Ego, or individuality. This is the initial desire. and everything else is derived. Also to see you may have 5 senses, and some may have some more, And one may think we have five different ways of enjoying, but at last it is just the desire which is fulfilled. For example, i see many souls who are part of the mahat-tattva, without knowledge indulge in many activities, some enjoy by eating so called delicious food ( taste ) , some enjoy sex, ( feel ), some enjoy seeing porn, some enjoy art ( both are visual , but one is in mode of ignorance, but the other is in goodness ) and so on. But what happens at last , when these visual, taste, feel or other signals go through your brain -- > mind --> ego and finally at this point It is all these signals are converted to that of a satisfying entity , which finally is what the soul consumes. And these Baddha-Jeeva's are the real cause for the manifestation of the Karanodhaka, the causal ocean, where Karanodakasayi Vishnu ( also called as maha-vishnu ) ( the one who supports all these causes my lying down in meditation on this ocean of karana ( causal ocean, or ocean of cause ). He is always in the creative sleep, and is part of the real enjoyer. So Atma, looks outside for enjoyment, because it doesn't want to accept that it is part and one among the unified completeness, The complete consciousness, The conscious Itself. So Atma wants to believe that it by itself is complete, and Lord by his sweet will creates this virtual world, where he makes all arrangements, so that atma, can satisfy its wish, and creates virtual matter ( illusion ) , and puts atma into this dreamworld, so that the atma can be master of objects in this dream, and satisfy itself. Hope you are able to get the Jist of the reason behind. and Aum thanks for inviting me, i am in . -- deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. .. , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > Who is it that feels pains and joys... who undergoes birth and > death...who yearn for freedom... Certainly it is not Soul.... then who > is it ? perhaps that would be the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > > The Atma, is a part of the supersoul. the initial desire is born, > > So Atma wants to believe that it by itself is complete, and Lord by > his sweet will creates this virtual world, where he makes all > arrangements, so that atma, can satisfy its wish, and creates virtual > matter ( illusion ) , and puts atma into this dreamworld, so that the > atma can be master of objects in this dream, and satisfy itself >thats beautiful Dieto! really! I swear this is the most beautiful thing I have read here. Harer nama Harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha regards Aradhana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 by Lords Grace. seems like i made some sense. Thanks Aradhana, i am truly blessed. Also, I want to translate what you wrote, so that those who did not understand the sloka will get that too. " Harer nama Harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha " Kalau means " in this age. " Nasty eva, nasty eva, nasty eva - three times nasty eva. Eva means " certainly, " and nasti means " not. " " Certainly not, certainly not, certainly not, " What is that " certainly not " ? One cannot realize oneself by karma. That is the first " certainly not. " One cannot realize oneself by jnana. That is the second " certainly not. " One cannot realize oneself by yoga. Certainly not. Kalau. Kalau means " in this age. " Kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. In this age one certainly cannot achieve success by any of these three methods. Then what is the recommended process ? Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam. The name of the lord is the only key, His energy, My fathers energy, will run to protect me. -- Deito .. , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: > > thats beautiful Dieto! really! I swear this is the most beautiful > thing I have read here. > > Harer nama Harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha > > regards > Aradhana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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