Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 The difference is in the state. Remember - Sattvik Tamsik and Rajsik. The Renunciation you refer to is Tamasikta - shunning all actions. Meeras was Sattvik Renunciation- where she was more evolved than the Rajsik , where her actions were dedicated to the supreme, they were the actions of the almighty. Lets not be against people (renouncers), lets fight ignorance that causes them to be as such. On Behalf Of shanracer Aradhnaji, to compare great souls like Mira to ordinary " tyagis " is lke comparing Picasso to the man who paints my toilet... And most of these " renouncers " preach against women, saying they are door to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Shan racer... You tell of OSHO asking people to shed a tear when a near and dear one dies.... But at the OSHO ashram,,,, when some one dies NO ONE cries.. People celebrate... When OSHO Died it was the biggest celebration.....Please log on to Oshoworld.com and see the celebration pictures.... pretty amazing actually.... Crying when some one dies was not done when OSHO was Alive or dead.... By the way... you should be grateful to the man who paints your toilet.... He has done you a great service... In comparison Picasso has contributed less to your life... This is the problem... We forget people who help us... but put on a pedestal some one who has the least impact on our lives... Yes and what hapened when we neglected the unmanifest for the manifest... Animal sacrifice....human sacrifice to appease the so called Gods....In fighting... My god is bigger than your god....Wars between sects and religions....I think being a good person and being attacked is at least better a victorious murderer and barbarian..... Renouncing might be a form of the ego... But mindless materialism..without understanding the temporary and mayic nature of the world is utter foolishness... It is being in the world..... but being with understanding is what we must strive for. Love Bala... On 9/6/07, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: > > Aradhnaji, to compare great souls like Mira to ordinary " tyagis " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 > You tell of OSHO asking people to shed a tear when a near and dear Do you mean like Buddha said " Dont build temples " , but Buddhists still build them? There is a difference b/w what a Guru preaches, & what disciples follow. BTW, whenever a saint dies, people always celebrate, never cry, as it is believed the saint has become free. This is opposite of what happens when ordinary people die. > By the way... you should be grateful to the man who paints your is >We forget people who help us... but put on a pedestal > some one who has the least impact on our lives... Again, this what I wrote last time. Withour understanding what I wrote, you are engaging in personal attacks. > Yes and what hapened when we neglected the unmanifest for the >manifest... > Animal sacrifice....human sacrifice to appease the so called Gods So called Gods? After reading this sentence, I know where you are coming from. Human sacrifices- this is the sort of lies Christian Missionaries have spread about Hinduism, the ancient cultures of Mexico, Africa & rest of Asia. Recent scientific studies have shown there were no human sacrifices- these were myths invented to justify colonialism. Nowdays, other than Christian missionaries, Communists in India spread such nonsense about our religon. Here are more myths(note them down, you can use them again to attack Hinduism): Hindus worship sex organs, they drink cow pee, they have sex with young girls in temples etc. I never said worship the manifest in favour of unmanifest or vice verse- rather both should be given their due. If you disagree, we can discuss further over a cup of cow pee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 , " Nitin Dhawan " <nitin wrote: Yes shanracer i have read that Osho's book where he talks of a Jain Muni, whose wife died and he said - chalo Jhanjhat mita ( ok my tension is ended)...and osho rebuked that saint for being so cruel to his wife's death. It is not a question of shedding tear, but being so cruel to one's better half. Renunciation has always been taken by most of Hindus in wrong terms. For general masses, greater is the saint who renounces material world. Unfortunately none of our scriptures ever supported such renunciation. We have four Ashrams (Brahmcharya,Grihstha,vanprastha and Sanyas)...and we were asked to fulfil the conditions of all the four ashrams, not run away. The real renunciation is not running away from relations and duties. The real renunciation is doing all the duties, but not by attaching to them.... this is what Gita also emphasises. Shri Shankracharya, broke all the rules of Sanyas by coming back on death of his mother and cremating her (it is forbidden for a sanyasi to cremate any relative) Buddha broke the rule by initiating his mother into Buddhism (before it was forbidden for a woman to be a monk). Mirabai fulfilled all her household duties, while doing Krishna bhakti... it is only after her husbands death, she left everything else and drowned into divine love. Guru Nanak, Paramhansa, Lahiri Mahasya, Janaka, Mira Bai there are many examples, where the saints did not leave their duties of Grihasthha for the sake of spirituality but still succeeded. One of my relative left his family... his wife and two sons aged 3 & 8, and became sanyasi.... The wife, a decent woman had to work as housemaid, and tailor clothes to feed the children....whereas her husband was enjoying free meals in the ashrams. I think this type of renunciation is which Shantanu has been refuting...and I agree with him fully. Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Bala and Shan both of you will agree that sharing is better than arguing. Both of you have tons of energies from last birth's sadhna,... so share Mind Argues Heart Accepts Soul smiles. Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Dear Shan racer... Osho's group celebrated when any one in their group died.... It was and still is their way. May be if you read a few more books... you might become more enlightened What was the personal attack in saying one has to be thankful to a person who has helped you...? I think you are taking everything personally... Please calm down... BTW, I have never attacked Hinduism.. I have only disagreed with the blind faiths in hinduism... Are you suggesting there was no animal sacrifice either??? Love Bala... On 9/6/07, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: > > > You tell of OSHO asking people to shed a tear when a near and dear > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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