Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit wrote: I agree with what you said. But blasphemy is not a concept of Hinduism. Blasphemy means speaking ill of prophet/god making fun of prophet/god making idol of prophet/god trying to imitate prophet /god Abrahmic religions, started this concept. In hinduism we have nothing which bars us from speaking ill of saints or gods, or making their idols, or making fun of them. If we go by definition of blasphemy, vaishnavas are doing blasphemy in eyes of shiva and vice versa. All hindus become blasphemous In hinduism, we dont consider God so small that anybody can INSULT him. Hinduism gives full liberty to question our philosophy and present our own views on the scriptures. That is why there are more than 10,000 commentaries on gita and many commentaries on upanishadas each presenting a different viewpoint. the concept of blasphemy brings in fanaticism as it leads to My God and Your God things shri kalikaye namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 > , " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@> > wrote: > > I agree with what you said. But blasphemy is not a concept of He wouldnt be God, He was offended that easily! After all, there must be some difference between God & my local Rickshawalla! That said, God might not take offence, but his Bhaktas might. There is a trend in the West where Hindu Goddesses are protrayed in naked/sexual ways(esp Kali, Parvati), photos of Kali/Krishna are put on toilets/shoes etc. The Godesses dont take offence, as those who insult Hindu Godesses usually meet a sticky end(just read the Saptashati), but the Bhaktas sure take offence. The feelings of Bhaktas must be taken into consideration, God can take care of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Going by recent comments, isnt the inability to tolerate our deities not respected by others also a form of fanaticism - even if its of a lesser degree? " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit@> > wrote: >The feelings of Bhaktas must be taken into consideration, God can take care of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 - " Nitin Dhawan " <nitin wrote: > Going by recent comments, isnt the inability to tolerate our deities not > respected by others also a form of fanaticism - even if its of a lesser > degree? --\ ------- No Sir, this is not fnaticism, self-respect is very important. You cannot allow anyone and everyone to tremple upon Hinduism and let them use it as a door-mat to wipe their feet on it. Gita does not teach us to tolerate any nonsense. Even though Hindus do not resort to terrorism, it their right to defend themselves. radhakutir Om -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.0/980 - Release 8/30/2007 6:05 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , radhakutir <radhaktr wrote: Pranama Swamiji, You are very right. There is a hair-line difference between self-respect and fanaticism. Tolerance does not mean, i should clap while others are isulting our faith. Tolerance is that we allow others to follow their faith in our country, peacefully. When if I object to someone depicting fotos of Kali and Ganesha on toilet seats, or on chappals, and fight for it... it is self-respect. When I force others to follow my deities, or fight....it is fanaticism. Hindus never force others to follow Hinduism. We never attacked any country/culture for spreading hinduism. Some people have very wrong perspectives of tolerance, peace forgiveness, and non-violence. Shri Krishna did not ask Arjuna to forgive Kauravas and be non-violent. AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 <%40> , radhakutir <radhaktr wrote: Pranama Swamiji, You are very right. There is a hair-line difference between self-respect and fanaticism. Tolerance does not mean, i should clap while others are isulting our faith. Tolerance is that we allow others to follow their faith in our country, peacefully. ----------- Why not spread a message of universal brotherhood? Where everyone respects everyones religion. -------------- When if I object to someone depicting fotos of Kali and Ganesha on toilet seats, or on chappals, and fight for it... it is self-respect. --------------- It is ignorance. Lack of knowledge of what Kali and Ganesha represent to mankind. --------------- When I force others to follow my deities, or fight....it is fanaticism. Hindus never force others to follow Hinduism. We never attacked any country/culture for spreading hinduism. ---------------- By saying this you may be insulting other religions - that their religion is violent where as Hinduism is tolerant. What about Hindus who killed Graham Staines ? What about Hindus who cannot see anyone celebrating Valentines day, rose day , or for that matter mothers day. ---------------- Some people have very wrong perspectives of tolerance, peace forgiveness, and non-violence. Shri Krishna did not ask Arjuna to forgive Kauravas and be non-violent. ----------------- He did not ask him to take revenge either. He asked him to do his duty without worrying about the results. If Yudhishthira (dharmraj - righteous) had not decided to do a war, Arjuna would not have fought it. nitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , " Nitin Dhawan " <nitin wrote: My dear Nitin, you have raised very hot questions and i think only Shanracer and Hans laxman are right persons to reply to you, as your questions are lesser of confirmation of Hindu beliefs and more on proving Hindus as ignorant and idiots... i would say more of a communistic approach and seeing the fake e-mail address you are using i doubt your aim of being here. I am not here to reply political questions... but still as a Sadhaka will try to clear certain thing from your questions. > ----------- >Ques: Why not spread a message of universal brotherhood? Where everyone respects everyones religion. > -------------- My answer: Hinduism always spread message of universal brotherhood...Vivekananda, yogananda, Ravishankar, Mata Amritaanandmay and dozen others have been doing it !! aND FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION IN THIS GROUP WE HAVE CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS TOO. =========================================================== > --------------- >Ques: It is ignorance. Lack of knowledge of what Kali and Ganesha represent to mankind. > > --------------- Ans : Think of your own Mother... if someone insults her foto even will you tolerate ?? when hindus dont insult Jesus and Mohammed...why should others be allowed to mock at us ?? =============================================================== > When I force others to follow my deities, or fight....it is > fanaticism. > > Hindus never force others to follow Hinduism. We never > attacked any country/culture for spreading hinduism. > ---------------- Ques: By saying this you may be insulting other religions - that their religion is violent where as Hinduism is tolerant. My Ans : I am talking of Historical facts, not cooking figures. see history of crusades and Jehads and then discuss. ====================================== > > Ques :What about Hindus who killed Graham Staines ? > > What about Hindus who cannot see anyone celebrating Valentines day, rose day , or for that matter mothers day. > ---------------- My ans : This is more of a political issue.... Hindus have been tortured and have suffered for so many centuries, if they are now waking up violently... nobody can do anything... It has more political touch than religious. ======================================= > Some people have very wrong perspectives of tolerance, peace > forgiveness, and non-violence. Shri Krishna did not ask Arjuna to > forgive Kauravas and be non-violent. > > ----------------- >Ques: He did not ask him to take revenge either. He asked him to do his duty without worrying about the results. > > If Yudhishthira (dharmraj - righteous) had not decided to do a war, Arjuna would not have fought it. > > > nitin > My Ans : Obviously you have not read Mahabharat properly... and just wish to create a problem here. The whole Mahabharat was fought mainly to take revenge of Draupadi's insult...and Krishna had open favour for this. ============================= Nitin my dear, whereas i do wish to bring out problems of Hindus here and discuss.... but trying to prove that all hindus are wrong and other religions are great and peaceful...will not serve the purpose AND DONT FORGET THE AIM OF THIS GROUP IS DISCUSS SADHNA...NOT POLITICS. WITH MY LOVE AND BLESSINGS AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I am no one to show Hinduism in bad light. If what I say sounds like a 'communist approach', it would help me and perhaps also the group to understand what a communist approach is. If they are more tolerant and understand Hinduism better, then they are the people who should be dominating these discussions. One should not claim to be knowing Hinduism act like a fanatic at the same time. Hindu is not one who is born to a Hindu. Hindu is who practices it in true sense. Before that one should understand what it really preaches, not just read a few stories with a kids intellect. If your brother were to insult your mother - would you kill him , or would you educate him? One should not be a silent spectator and let hatred and fanaticism brew in the group. We must help each other progress in the right direction. Aum On Behalf Of Aum My dear Nitin, you have raised very hot questions and i think only Shanracer and Hans laxman are right persons to reply to you, as your questions are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , " Nitin Dhawan " <nitin wrote: > > I am no one to show Hinduism in bad light. My dear brother Nitin, Logics can not take us anywhere. Jews had very good logics to cruficy Jesus. Sunnis had great logics to justify killing young boy Hussain in Karbala christians have very good logics to justify crusade Nathuram godse had very strong logics to prove Gandhi was evil and must be killed Darasing has profound logics to prove Stains must be killed. Even al-Quedda have their own strong logics to justify killing 1000s of people on 9/11, and there are millions in the world who accept their logics. Like Emotions, logics are mind's game plan to justify we are the only right people in the world. We can endlessly discuss here as to why Grahm was burnt or why Gandhi was killed.... without any solution acceptable to all. What Dara Singh has done, can not be blamed on hinduism.. like what terrorists are doing cant be blamed on Islam. By and Large Hindus are tolerant, peaceful and loving. You and me here cant not argue on why Jesus was killed or why gandhi was killed or why Grahm was killed. Let us think a little higher than that and see how we can be positive...and how we can create positivity around us. We can not stop the world from evil... because without evil there is no virtue too... The world is because of these two polarities. we have great threads going on here... and i m waiting to listen to your wise and valueable thoughts on them.. with love Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , " Nitin Dhawan " <nitin wrote: > If what I say sounds like a 'communist approach', it would help me and > perhaps also the group to understand what a communist approach is. If they > are more tolerant and understand Hinduism better, then they are the people > who should be dominating these discussions. > Mr. Nitin Communist and pseudo seculars of India are power hungry and shameless people who have clear policies some of which are What ever hindus do is wrong If hindus are converting they call it secular If converted hindus are brought back, they cry it as Saffornisation All hindu temples should be brought under Govt.control Mosques and churches should be given full freedom (to get money from abroad and bring out a brigade of terrorists) Hindu festivals like Holi and Diwali are bad and should be banned Muslim and christian festivals should be encouraged. There was No Krishna, No Rama, No Veda all is cooked up by hindus If 100 hindus are killed they will ask for Tolerance and peace If a muslim or christian is killed, they will beat their breast and abuse all hindus, RSS, VHPs and Bajrang Dals. Are you impressed ? Go to Vrindaa Karaat she will make you life memeber of communist party of India. Shri Kalikaye namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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