Re : Kaliyug kewal Naam Adhaara..

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Namaste all.

Here is another 'pada' from 'Siddhanta Madhuri' of

'Prema Rasa Madira' by Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj.

 

This pada is very melodiously sung by the devotees at JKP Ashrams

with tearful eyes and choked voice!

 

" Maayee Ri main to Aju pari Nidhi Paayi "

 

A Rasik Saint of gopi bhava, having received the Divine love

of Radha Rani, joyfully sings in excitement saying:

 

Oh, look dear! I have found the Supreme Divine wealth

without making any kind of self-effort.

 

'Jehi Khojat mohin jug jug beetyo, paryo na katahun lakhayi'

 

This Divine love treasure which I have been searching from time

immemorial (through the practices of gyana, yoga, ritualistic worship,

renunciation, meditation, and austerity etc.) for yugas and

yugas had never seen any results.

 

'Tehi mohin sadhan-heen jani ke, rasikan dai batayi'

 

When I've given up all the intellectual, self-made efforts and

subdued the ego of my learning and doings, the Rasik Saint,

seeing me truly humble, fruitless and destitute, showed me the sure

and simple successful path how to obtain the Divine treasure.

 

'Paras lahi baurat rank jyaon tyaon haun gai baurayi'

 

And now, like a poor, penniless man who loses his sanity in the

over-excitement of finding the 'paaras jewel' the 'Philosopher's

Stone', I too have become extremely mad in Divine love of Radha Rani.

 

'Bhari guman rain-din dolati, karati sada man bhayi'

 

Filled with Divine pride and intoxicating ecstasy of the Divine love,

I roam here and there, day and night doing whatever pleases my heart

unmindful of the opinions of the people around me as well as the

habitual critics.

 

'So " Kripalu " binu mol milat nidhi, 'radhey' naam sadaayi'

 

Jagadguru Shree Kripaluji Maharaj proclaims to all since it is no

longer a hidden secret, that the Divine Grace is bestowed upon him

eternally in the Divine form of the Divine name (-'Radhey!') of Sri

Radhika, without paying any suitable price for that everlasting

priceless Divine treasure he received.

 

Note: There cannot be 'any amount of doing or sufficient labor'

that could become the cause or price for receiving an unlimited

priceless treasure.

 

So even humbly asking with 100% faith in Radha Rani could not become

a suitable price for receiving 'Amazing Grace', but it could happen

only when one had arrived at the total understanding and conclusion

that one's all trivial means of achievement and sadhanas were simply

futile and surrendered one's ego of 'doing' at the alter of Grace

with full humility and humble supplication.

 

One must honestly cry to Her with sincerity of heart shedding tears

in total dedication and offer oneself at the disposal of Her own will.

 

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The words of this song are very similar to the ones of Saint Mirabai's

poem:

 

" paayoji mai ne, raama ratan dhan paayo! "

 

'I have found ..'

by Mirabai

 

I have found, yes, I have found

the wealth of the Divine Name's gem.

 

My true guru gave me a priceless thing,

With his grace, I accepted it.

 

I found the capital of my several births;

I have lost the whole rest of the world.

 

No one can spend it, no one can steal it.

Day by day it increases one and a quarter times.

 

On the boat of truth, the boatman was my true guru.

I came across the ocean of existence.

 

Mira's Lord is the Mountain-Holder, the suave lover,

of whom I merrily, merrily sing.

 

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Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

> I am inspired to post more on chanting Divine Names,

> following the quote of Sant Tulasidas.

>

> milahi na raghupati binu anuraagaa

> kiye joga japa daana viraagaa

>

> - Sri Rama Carita Manas

>

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Another verse in support of 'Nama Sankirtana for Kaliyuga'

from Padma Purana, Uttara Khanda, chapter 42. text.25:

 

dhyAyan kRte yajan yajJais tretAyAM dvApare 'rchayan

yadApnoti tadApnoti kalau sankIrtya kezavam

 

This beautiful verse by Sri Veda Vyasa, which also glorifies 'Nama

Sankirtana' is recited melodiously by Sri Kripaluji Maharaj in

'Vandana - Prayer' before his discourses:

 

madhura madhuram etan mangalaM mangalAnAM

sakala nigama vallI satphalaM citsvarUpam

sakRdapi parigItaM zraddhayA helayA vA

bRguvara naramAtraM tArayet kRSNanAma

 

- Padma Purana, Prabhasa Khanda

- Padyavali. 26

 

" Lord Krsna's name is the sweetest of all sweet things,

the most auspicious of all auspicious things,

the Divine fruit of the vine of all Vedic scriptures.

O best of the Bhrgus, uttered even once, either with faith

or contempt, it delivers the person who utters it! "

 

 

kalim sabhAjanthyAryA : guNaj~nA sAradarzinAH

yatra saGkIrtanena iva sarvasvArtho hi labhyate

 

Those great ones, who truly understand

the essence of the nature of the age of kali

salute the Kali Purushan specially.

 

It is because of their correct understanding

that in the age of Kali yuga, all 'sowbhAgyam'-

the great fortune comes to us just from

the mere 'sankirtana' of Govinda's Names.

 

Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

Dear friends,

 

Namaste all.

From tomorrow on wards, I'll be on my pilgrimage to Vraja Dham -

Vrindavan (Barsana), U.P. India, for an indefinite period. As my

'Catur-maasa' summer vacation in USA is coming to an end, I do not

know when I can post messages again on Sadhana board.

Thanks for your kind service and support, dear respected babaji

and members.

 

in Divine love,

 

dr.jaya

usa

 

, beirut_ka_baba <no_reply wrote:

 

> Thanks Dr.Jayaji,

>

> it was beautiful message. Could you throw some light on why

> Bhakti yoga is the most suitable in this Kaliyuga ? Even though there

> are many faster paths (like yoga, tantra etc) still many of the saints

> confirmed that Bhakti will be main path in kaliyuga

>

> and if we see around, bhakti is the main path ..be it hindus or

> christians or muslims they are mostly following bhakti yoga. Is there

> something special about Kali and Bhakti ?

>

> with love

>

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, pyari_h <no_reply wrote:

 

 

Thanks Pyari ji, it was really beautiful... and i am jealous of you

that you are going to Vrindaban

 

pls share your exp with us when u come back

 

with love

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Baba-ji:

 

A Krishna Premi like you should not feel 'jealous' because Brindavan

is situated in the Lotus of your heart where Krishna Paramatma

Resides ! The Beauty of Bhakti Yoga is one need not go on pilgrimages

or do rituals , simply chanting the Lord's name is all that is needed

with love and devotion!

 

please read these sublime verses by Bhakta Kabir Das ji

 

Kabîr mai jaani-o parhibo bhalo parhibay si-o bhal jog.

Kabîr, at first, I thought learning was good; then I thought Yoga was

better.

 

bhagat na chhaada-o raam kee bhaavai ninda-o log.

 

I shall never abandon devotional worship of the Lord, even though

people may slander me.

 

 

Kabîr log ke nindai bapurhaa jih man naahee gi-aan.

 

Kabîr, how can the wretched people slander me They have no wisdom or

intelligence.

 

raam Kabîraa rav rahay avar tajay sabh kaam.

 

Kabîr continues to dwell upon the Lord's Name; I have abandoned all

other

 

In this Kali yuga , nama japa or Simran is the best !

 

Hari Aum!

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, urvashii_mohan <no_reply wrote:

 

> A Krishna Premi like you should not feel 'jealous' because Brindavan

 

Dear Urvashi,

 

please dont take my words for face value... i actually feel

good that Dr.Jaya is visiting Vrindavana.

 

Jealousy here means how much i too wish to be there !!!

 

those who are in a war-torn country among hate and violence will

understand my jealousy LOL

 

Aum

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Of Course not!

 

i know you are not 'jealous' - far from it! That is just your way of

saying how fortunate Dr.Jaya is to be visiting specially in time for

Sri Krishna Janmashtami!

 

On Bhakti Yoga

There is a sanskrit verse which goes like this

 

Ruupam ruupavivarjitasya bhavato dhyaanena yatkalpitam

stutyaa anirvachaniiyataa akhila guro duuriikrtaa yanmayaa |

vyaapitvam cha niraakrtram bhagavato yat tiirtha-yaatraadinaa

kshantavyam jagadiisha tadvikalataa-doshatrayam matkrtam ||)

 

 

You are bereft of any form. Yet I imagined a form in the

name of meditating upon You.

 

You are beyond words. No words can explain Your nature.

Yet I have sung Your glories through words.

 

You are all-pervading. Yet I undertook pilgrimages to

worship You in specific places.)

 

Why do we go to temple,visit pilgrimage spots and sing the glories

of the God ? A good question ...

 

Why do we do all these external acts of worship and visit pilgrimage

spots etc ? This is to purify the mind and 'tame the mind '! Our mind

is like a 'monkey' ... by visiting holy places , by engaging in

bhagwat and my meditating on the lotus feet of the Lord , we

want to purify our mind! (chitta shuddhi)

 

In SIvananda Lahari , Adi Shankara says in verse 20

 

sadaa mohaaTavyaaM charati yuvatiinaaM kuchagirau

naTatyaashaashaakhaasvaTati jhaTiti svairamabhitaH |

kapaalin.h bhiksho me hR^idayakapimatyantachapalaM

dR^iDhaM bhaktyaa baddhvaa shiva bhavadadhiinaM kuru vibho || 20||

 

Translation

 

It (my mind) roams always in the forest of delusion, it

dances on the physique of young women, it wanders on the

branches of desire rapidly, at will all around. Oh Kapali,

Oh Bhikshu, tie my exceedingly *fickle monkey like heart,*

firmly by devotion. Oh Siva, Oh Vibhu, make it subservient

to you.

 

Yes! here the great acharya is comparing the mind to a 'monkey ' ad

asking for Bhagwat kripa ( lord shiva's infinite compassion) to tame

the devotee's monkey like mind by being 'devoted' to the lord!

 

 

There is an inner pilgrimage and outer pilgrimage!

 

The body itself is a sri chakra and all the sacred rivers like Ganga,

Saraswati , Jamna are inside the body says the Tantras ! But till

this realization is reached, we do need the help of external acts of

worship!

 

Thank you Babaji . The posts on Dasha mahavidyas are very

interesting .

 

Love and regards

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, urvashii_mohan <no_reply wrote:

 

Thanks Urvashi,

 

you presented some beautiful pearls on bhakti. If you know

something about shaligrama..please reply to our sadhaka

 

aum

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Pranams to everybody...

 

" The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love

and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the

smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely

apart. If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinion for or against. The

struggle of what one likes and what one dislikes is the disease of the

mind. " HSIN HSIN MING : The Book

of nothing.

 

I was reminded of this verse and it makes a lot of sense to me.... In my

opinion and experience, the ideas of God and divine are toys for the mind

and mental body uses these props to avoid facing the truth. One can never

transcend polarities by identifying with them. The delusion just keeps

increasing...

 

God is and ONLY God is...

But it is when WE are not...

 

Om..

 

 

 

On 8/26/07, urvashii_mohan <no_reply > wrote:

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> In my opinion and experience, the ideas of God and divine are toys

for > the mind and mental body uses these props to avoid facing the

truth.

 

BalaChandra ji, you are talking like a Buddhist. In Hinduism, the

highest Brahm is well beyond the mental body, but that doesnt mean its

only a mental idea & there is nothing but a void.

 

Hinduism never says give up love, only attachment to lower emotions.

If you give up both love & hate, you will become like a stone- a stone

is also beyond the dualities of love & hate!

 

This might be ok for renunciation sects & Buddhism, but its not what

the Gita & other scriptures preach. " A man should be like the sea-

with all the rivers flowing into it, yet it remains calm &

unperturbed. Not like a mud puddle, which is disturbed even by the

smallest stone " says the Gita.

 

with love,

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Dearest Shanracer..

 

If Sadhana is knowing the truth... and if one wants to be the truth, then

look for the truth.

I did not know that hinduism rejected Buddha....

I thought all rivers lead into the Ocean...

If you remain UNAFFECTED by love and hate... your conciousness burns

brighter than ever. not giving up... No one can give up anything.. the very

idea that you are giving up ensures that the object stays in your mind it

never goes away... It is a forced abstinance... the moment it leaves your

mind, you will never perceive it.

 

And by the way what is wrong with the stone? It has existed since eternity,

just like you and me

Just like the Brahman

Just like the lover

Just like the terrorist

just like the Void.

 

Are u suggesting that once you read the Gita...everything else is

irrelevant?

The Ocean also gets disturbed, by a meteorite.... or a huge bomb!

 

Everything in this world of duality will change. Your scriptures will

change, your ideas of god will change, the stone idols we worship will

change, the Gods depicted will change. Change is the only constant.

 

To go beyond the duality is to fid the true source of your being!

 

What does Adi shankara's Advaita say? there are no 2 there is only one...

 

if you look at this world you will realise that anything that can be

perceived has an opposite. Including the idea of god, etc. The moment you

look at the advaita you say Brahman...

Can you perceive the brahman at all? All those who has experienced have

become THAT themselves, when duality within them ceases, when ego ceases,

when love ceases, when hate ceases. That is exactly what Budda said too.

How can there be a ONE when an emotion like love exists...? it needs 2. It

needs God and devotee, it needs mand and woman, it needs mother and child it

needs guru and shishya.. it needs a distinction. It thrives on duality

 

I am not saying love is not required or it is bad... I am only saying the

ultimate is beyond everything... even love.

 

If one is looking for ego satisfaction religion is perfectly enough.. but if

we are looking for the truth.. be ready to die..

 

Your own self

 

Bala...

 

On 8/28/07, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

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> > In my opinion and experience, the ideas of God and divine are

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Balachandraji, as I have stated before, I am not a fan of either

Buddha or Shankar.

 

They laid too much stress on renunciation, ignoring Divine feelings

like Love for everyone. They made Hindus into a bunch of uncaring,

cowardly hypocrites. " The world is full of misery- its fake, theres

only 1 reality! Run away! " .

 

If there is only a void or some undescribale Brahm, then nothing I do

here matters, life is useless. Then society will fall, as nothing is

worth doing. To correct this mistake, Hindus had to suffer for 1000s

years as anyone who wanted to came & invaded us. Our culture was

destroyed, our wealth stolen, & our temples burnt. We had to learn the

lesson that the Manifested world is as important as Unmanifest.

 

" To hell go those who worship the Manifest, but to even bigger hell go

those who worship only the Transcendent " . Isha Upanishad

 

Talking of the " One " without experiencing it is empty intellectual hot

air. As the Kena Upanishad says " Those who know of it, speak not.

Those who speak, know not " .

 

The stone says to the flower- what a useless life you have. You are

born, & die soon afterwards. Look at me, I live for eternity, I am one

with the " Void " .

 

The flower replies " I may only live for a moment, but in that 1 moment

I make the Universe a beautiful place. I make people happy, give food

to bees, give job to the gardener, make lovers happy. What about you-

you just lie there for millions of years, the same everyday. You are

worse than dead " .

 

Its better to live in Truth & Beauty for a short time, rather than

live for eternity as a dead rock.

 

With Love(not rocks!)

Shantnu

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Dearest Shantanu...

 

You are right

 

Om

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Great Shanracer... this was the most beautiful reply i ever read on

sadhna board.

 

As I wrote in one of my earlier posts, due to buddhist and

advaita teaching (rather taking them wrongly), people have made

funny ideas about spirituality and Brahm.

 

Any one renunciation the world is taken as Mahatama and anyone

enjoying the world is taken as sinner.

 

Krishna gave the best example as to how to live in the world in

Kaliyuga, enjoying all loving all, fighting, conspirating, marrying,

making children... and still be God

 

That z why of late I started liking Tantra which does not reject

world as Maya, but take the world as body of god

 

Hari Aum

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Babaji,

 

Who in this forum was talking about renunciation??

 

I was talking about awareness and keeping your conciousness burning bright.

A true sadhaka should be open and not constrict himself within one

religion. Are u telling me only hindus are capable of realisation, that

Buddha was wrong, Shankara was wrong?

 

You can do everything krishna said and still be aware that it is not

permanent.... you can do everything Krishna said and be a deluded man.

Krisha also physically died, you will die, I will die this world will die,

the sun will die the stars will die. But Truth is undestructible

 

It is your associstion with your thoughts and actions which is the Ego...

Your mind is the disease

This was my point. My point was not non-action....It was non association

with action Including thoughts of god... Vacha Mahocharam....

 

 

Shanracer

 

Are u suggesting that Shankara and Buddha's words were hot air?

 

Are u saying they did not experience?

 

Then all your scriptures are false... because they are all expressions of

people who have experienced.

 

What kena upanisad says is that the " experience cannot be expressed " . it has

to be experienced.

 

You are at liberty to continue dreaming... It is your right.. create more

armies, create more temples create more mess in your mind... identify with

it...

 

All the best!!

 

Im outa here...

 

Babaji...

 

I think you are the moderator... Please remove me from this group...I dont

fit in here with you people.

 

Love (the aware type)

 

Bala...

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

>

 

>

> Who in this forum was talking about renunciation??

>

> I was talking about awareness and keeping your conciousness

burning bright.

 

 

My dear Bala, i was certainly not referring to you post but just

commenting in general that people take that man great who

renunciates...

 

You thoughts are beautiful and i was separately writing a reply on

them, meanwhile i got this message.

 

 

Expansion of consciousness is certainly the main aim of Sadhna...

how people do it... makes different paths.

 

also hinduism or this forum is not against Buddha or shankra.

We hindus did not take their teachings in correct form. Budha and

shakra presented the secret doctrines of our scriptures. But that

is not the whole...and the only way. That is one of the ways.

 

Now the Cosmic consciousness has to be gained for

upliftment..some go for it through bhakti, some through renunciation

and many through mantra, yoga and meditation.

 

Hari Aum

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, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

<balachand wrote:

>

> God is and ONLY God is...

> But it is when WE are not...

 

Yes this is true and Bhakta Kabir said the same thing in simple

words

 

Prem Gali ati Sankri...va do na samaye

jab hum thhe tab hari nahin... ab hari hai hum naye

 

The stree of love is very narrow and two can not remain there at a

time...when I was there God was absent and now when God is there I am

not

 

Hari Aum

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Babaji,

 

Hats off...

 

Any normal person would have reacted to what I said....

 

I now see you as Myself....

 

Love

 

Bala

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Babaji,

 

What you say is true...

 

This body in its limited capacity went through some of the paths you have

mentioned

 

I reached the same result.

 

The result is a deep silence... but it is not a dead silence, it pulsates

with life and bliss

 

It is a silence that melts away boundries....

 

In that silence the thoughts of god or the yoga used get blown away..

 

That is what I had wanted to express.

 

I tried pushing you,

 

Seek your apologies for that

 

Love

 

Bala...

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hey hey hey ...fights again! This is the sign that kaliyuga has

entered the hearts of all those people who are fighting here.

Protect your hearts against the quarrels of Kaliyuga.Please dont

fight in the name of religion. Who are we tryng to teach each

other?! or should I say trying to impose supremacy of thier " path "

or beliefs over the others? Themselves people who are in thier quest

for truth. How can we instruct each other about truth when we

ourselves are fallible and weak? Lord Krishna or Lord Shiva or Maa

Shakti is about freedom .Any biased philosophy is spurious.When

prejudice, fights, fanaticism enters religion the saadhaks surely

fall down. Let those who see God everywhere and dont feel the need

of temples do what they like-there are yet others who need

temples.This does not mean that each one starts criticising and

imposing your thoughts open the other. Krishna and Shiva accept both-

those who spend thier time in idol worship etc in temples: seeing

or searching bhagvaan there and also those who are trying to find

parmatma within thier own hearts.

 

The saints and self realised and incarnations of God such as lord

Shankracharya also built temples and promoted idol worship for

welfare of common people. Srimadbhagvatam says- " to aoid the

contamination of kaliyuga do not associate with samsaaris.Go to a

nearby temple and practice bhakti there "

Bhagvat Gita says- " o yogi be ekaant vaasi, do not associate with

anyone.Constantly try to associate the aaatman with parmaatma "

Now whats the contradiction here? Krishna preaches both ways and he

accepts both. We should follow " our way " without rejecing " the ways

of others " .

 

God does not reside there where people fight in the name of religion.

In Srimadbhagvatam when the brahmins and the associates of Lord

Shiva accuse and curse, counter acccuse and countercurse each other

where they are assembled for a yagna Lord Shiva becomes very sad and

leaves the place. Dont make God sad.Your sadhna will be disrupted

and no one will gain. Each will loose--- In

 

, " Balachander Govindaraghavan "

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