Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2002 Dear Denis, You have asked for rectification of your birth time. So please answer following: 1) Any problem with left eye/ear? 2) You do not have any mazor debt? 3) You spent money very wisely? 4) Enjoy sexual Pleasure? 5) Beautiful features? 6) Elevated nose? 7) interupted Education? 8) Strong intuitionand interest in occult science? 9) Some problem with soles? 10) Relations with Father spoiled in early edge? Other things you have informed. If you answer these things correctly, then it will help in correcting the birth time. krushna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2002 -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Monday, April 01, 2002 9:14 PM Re: Childbirth > Dear Denis, > You have asked for rectification of your birth time. So > please answer following: > 1) Any problem with left eye/ear? Myopia. It started when I was 25 old. No other major trouble. > 2) You do not have any mazor debt? No. I have never been in debt. > 3) You spent money very wisely? Yes. > 4) Enjoy sexual Pleasure? I prefer to read a good book! > 5) Beautiful features? What do you mean exactly? > 6) Elevated nose? Yes. If it may be helpful, you will find a photo on my website. (www.astrocours.fr.st) > 7) interupted Education? It is difficult to answer. I made correct higher studies (3 years for higher studies) to become a schoolmaster (in France, 2 years in higher studies) specialised in teaching retarded children (1 year more).. I should have prefered to go on further in a universitary cursus. It was not possible for financial reasons. > 8) Strong intuition and interest in occult science? Yes. I am very involved in religious and occult activitiés (groups, etc.). > 9) Some problem with soles? Yes. Light troubles. I use orthaopedic soles. > 10) Relations with Father spoiled in early edge? Yes. It has been the main trouble of my life. The troubles started from the time I was a baby (for a short time, I stayed in my grands-parents home). These troubles developped after a change of residence (11 february 1966). They grew more and more difficult. So, in september 1975, I passed a very difficult exam. If I was successfull in this exam, my higher studies to become a schoolmaster were payed by the government. So, in september 75, I started my higher studies AND I got my first salary. So, in january 76, I had enough money to rent a flat. I left the parental home. My father died in an accident on 8 april 1998. Do not look for a bad event for me at this date. It was a relief. > > Other things you have informed. If you answer these things > correctly, then it will help in correcting the birth time. > krushna > You are welcome. Thanks a lot Denis > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 1, 2002 Dear Denis: All your answers are in line with the chart, I fixed for you. I have rectified your birth time as 10:02 am. There is no mazor changes in the chart, Only navamansha Lagna Leo. Some minor changes in Div charts. Now to the answer for your question about Child birth, My answer is negative. krushna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Krushna, Thank you very much. About this adequacy to my chart with events, could you tell me more about your astrological approach? About childness, it is not a trouble. I am interested to understand the fact from an astrological point of view. So, could you tell me the technique you use to make this conclusion? Thanks a lot Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Monday, April 01, 2002 10:23 PM Re: Childbirth > Dear Denis: > All your answers are in line with the chart, I fixed for > you. I have rectified your birth time as 10:02 am. > There is no mazor changes in the chart, Only navamansha > Lagna Leo. Some minor changes in Div charts. > Now to the answer for your question about Child birth, My > answer is negative. > krushna > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Krushna, In calculating the chart for 10h02, the navamsa lagna is not Leo. The ascendant is 17°35' Scorpio. So, the navamsa lagna is Sagittarius. To get a navamsa lagne in Leo, the ascendant should be placed between 3°20 and 6°40 Scorpio. Is there anything wrong in my calculations? Thanks a lot Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Monday, April 01, 2002 10:23 PM Re: Childbirth > Dear Denis: > All your answers are in line with the chart, I fixed for > you. I have rectified your birth time as 10:02 am. > There is no mazor changes in the chart, Only navamansha > Lagna Leo. Some minor changes in Div charts. > Now to the answer for your question about Child birth, My > answer is negative. > krushna > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Denis, You have given me the birth place Paris,( France) the time is GMT+1 (CET). It gives Leo Navamansha. Please check again. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > In calculating the chart for 10h02, the navamsa lagna is not Leo. The > ascendant is 17 35' Scorpio. So, the navamsa lagna is Sagittarius. To get a > navamsa lagne in Leo, the ascendant should be placed between 3 20 and 6 40 > Scorpio. Is there anything wrong in my calculations? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les sé©naires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des le篮s > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Monday, April 01, 2002 10:23 PM > Re: Childbirth > > > > Dear Denis: > > All your answers are in line with the chart, I fixed for > > you. I have rectified your birth time as 10:02 am. > > There is no mazor changes in the chart, Only navamansha > > Lagna Leo. Some minor changes in Div charts. > > Now to the answer for your question about Child birth, My > > answer is negative. > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Krushna, Official time is 11h15 (non rectified). So, UT (or GMT time) is 10h15mn (not 9h15). For Paris, ascendant is close to 19° or 20° Scorpio according to the ayanamsas. Best regards Denis PS. This is the message I sent you about my datas. Dear Krushna, Could you give me your feeling? I try to rectify my birthtime with your ayanamsa. It will be very helpful to apply your rules. I was born in Paris, 24 october 1956. My official birthtime is 11h15 am (10h15 UT). Ascendant 20°08 Scorpio. If I choose 11h14 (Ascendant 19.56 Scorpio): Ascendant of D3 is Pisces Ascendant of D7 is Virgo Ascendant of D9 is Sagittarius Ascendant of D10 is Capricorn Ascendant of D12 is Gemini If I choose 11h15 (Ascendant 20.08 Scorpio): Ascendant of D3 is Cancer Ascendant of D7 is Virgo Ascendant of D9 is Capricorn Ascendant of D10 is Capricorn Ascendant of D12 is Cancer If I choose 11h20 (Ascendant 21.08 Scorpio): Ascendant of D3 is Cancer Ascendant of D7 is Virgo Ascendant of D9 is Capricorn Ascendant of D10 is Aquarius Ascendant of D12 is Cancer These are some events: I have two (younger) brothers. No sister. I am the first-born. I have no child. I am not married. I am a profesional astrologer. I have published many books. Beforehand, I was a schoolteacher for retarded children. My father died in an accident in april 98. I had extremely bad relationships with him. I broke my relationships as soon as possible (when I was 18). Thanks a lot for your help. Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:11 PM Re: Childbirth Dear Denis, You have given me the birth place Paris,( France) the time is GMT+1 (CET). It gives Leo Navamansha. Please check again. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > In calculating the chart for 10h02, the navamsa lagna is not Leo. The > ascendant is 17 35' Scorpio. So, the navamsa lagna is Sagittarius. To get a > navamsa lagne in Leo, the ascendant should be placed between 3 20 and 6 40 > Scorpio. Is there anything wrong in my calculations? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les sé©naires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des le篮s > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Monday, April 01, 2002 10:23 PM > Re: Childbirth > > > > Dear Denis: > > All your answers are in line with the chart, I fixed for > > you. I have rectified your birth time as 10:02 am. > > There is no mazor changes in the chart, Only navamansha > > Lagna Leo. Some minor changes in Div charts. > > Now to the answer for your question about Child birth, My > > answer is negative. > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Denis, This I have calculated from the last data you have sent me some where in June 2000. So my rectifyed time is 10:02. or 9:02 The question I have asked you are based on this time, for mostly all the answer are agreed by you. krushna Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Dear Krushna, I cannot have given 9h15 UT. If you find this June 2000 mail, you will chek that. Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushna jugalkalani " <krushanain Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:33 PM Re: Re: Childbirth > Dear Denis, > This I have calculated from the last data you > have sent me some where in June 2000. > So my rectifyed time is 10:02. or 9:02 > The question I have asked you are based on this > time, for mostly all the answer are agreed by you. > krushna > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://http://taxes./ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2002 dEAR dENIS, Was there any D.S.T. at the time of birth of your Sister, As it is in Sept 66, Day saving time ( DST) krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > This is the chart of my sister-in-law. She was born on 17 september 1966, > 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) in Sète (3E41 43N24). Ascendant 20°44' Virgo. She has > three children. They tried for many years to have children before she was > sucessfull. > > 1. A girl was born on 12 august 1995 (conception 22 novembre 1994). > 2. Two boys (twins) were born on 10 juin 1998 (conception 2 october 1997). > Dates of conception are a certaincy in this chart (I have chosen to work on > this chart for this point). > > Results in the worksheet for 11th house are: > SUN 20 > MOON 15 > MARS 18 > MERCURY 20 > JUPITER 19 > VENUS 19 > SATURN 16 > > Jupiter lord of the 4th house is aspecting the 5th house. So, it could > indicate she would have her children late in her life. IS IT RIGHT? Or, do > we also have to take 11th house for this rule (instead the 5th) in female > charts? > > The girl was conceived in Jupiter period and Venus subperiod (third part). > The boys were conceived in Jupiter period Mars subperiod (second part). > > Houses D and E are ruled by Mars and Jupiter. > > It works for the boys. > > Sun and Mercury have 20 points. > Sun and Mercury are not aspecting houses A, B and C. So, they could have > given a child in their subperiod. IT HAS NOT WORKED. WHY? > > Mars is in natural sandharmi with Sun. So, Mars could have also worked in > this way. > > I have no answer to justify the birth of twins in the Venus subperiod. WHAT > IS YOUR VIEW? > > According to your experience, do you know a way to predict the birth of > twins? > > In this chart, how should have been possible to predic the children will be > born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod and in the SECOND PART of Lars > subperiod? > > > Thanks a lot > Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2002 Dear Krushna, Do not bother with the DST. In France, from 1946 to 1976, the official time was GMT+1h00 all along the year. So, 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) is exact. Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:59 PM Re: Childbirth dEAR dENIS, Was there any D.S.T. at the time of birth of your Sister, As it is in Sept 66, Day saving time ( DST) krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > This is the chart of my sister-in-law. She was born on 17 september 1966, > 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) in Sète (3E41 43N24). Ascendant 20°44' Virgo. She has > three children. They tried for many years to have children before she was > sucessfull. > > 1. A girl was born on 12 august 1995 (conception 22 novembre 1994). > 2. Two boys (twins) were born on 10 juin 1998 (conception 2 october 1997). > Dates of conception are a certaincy in this chart (I have chosen to work on > this chart for this point). > > Results in the worksheet for 11th house are: > SUN 20 > MOON 15 > MARS 18 > MERCURY 20 > JUPITER 19 > VENUS 19 > SATURN 16 > > Jupiter lord of the 4th house is aspecting the 5th house. So, it could > indicate she would have her children late in her life. IS IT RIGHT? Or, do > we also have to take 11th house for this rule (instead the 5th) in female > charts? > > The girl was conceived in Jupiter period and Venus subperiod (third part). > The boys were conceived in Jupiter period Mars subperiod (second part). > > Houses D and E are ruled by Mars and Jupiter. > > It works for the boys. > > Sun and Mercury have 20 points. > Sun and Mercury are not aspecting houses A, B and C. So, they could have > given a child in their subperiod. IT HAS NOT WORKED. WHY? > > Mars is in natural sandharmi with Sun. So, Mars could have also worked in > this way. > > I have no answer to justify the birth of twins in the Venus subperiod. WHAT > IS YOUR VIEW? > > According to your experience, do you know a way to predict the birth of > twins? > > In this chart, how should have been possible to predic the children will be > born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod and in the SECOND PART of Lars > subperiod? > > > Thanks a lot > Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2002 Dear Denis, There will be not much difference if there was DST, because Moon was in the constellation of Mars. The chart shows all the planets powerful for giving child birth. The Jupiter is Santati Karak ( responsible for Child birth) We should study the status of Jupiter, It is in the constellation of Saturn and is samdharmi to Saturn ( in navamansha it is with Saturn. ) So there is delay in the child birth. Saturn is in 7th house, and is with only two points, This is also a cause to delay the child birth. Saturn is retrogate so effect reduced. (Lesson 20) The birth date of 1st child is 12th Aug 1995 for which the date of conception is 13th Nov 1994 On that day the moon was in the constellation U. Bhadrapad, the running age of the mother was 29 years, In the chart on page 97 gives female child. For the second time the date of birth of Twin is 10th June 1998, the date of conception comes to 10th Sept 1997, the moon was in Jyestha constellation, and age of mother was running 31 year, as perchart it shows male child. Regrading Twin birth I do not have any perfect law, which can give perfect result. Sorry for that. I have not came accross much cases of twins. First time the conception was in the sub of Venus, with 19 points, and 2nd time it was in the lord of house D for 11th house with 18 points. The Mercury and Sun are having higest points Mercury is lord of 12th house from 11th house and Sun is situated with Mercuru in 1st house ruled by mercury. So Venus is the significator with highest points. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > This is the chart of my sister-in-law. She was born on 17 september 1966, > 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) in Sète (3E41 43N24). Ascendant 20°44' Virgo. She has > three children. They tried for many years to have children before she was > sucessfull. > > 1. A girl was born on 12 august 1995 (conception 22 novembre 1994). > 2. Two boys (twins) were born on 10 juin 1998 (conception 2 october 1997). > Dates of conception are a certaincy in this chart (I have chosen to work on > this chart for this point). > > Results in the worksheet for 11th house are: > SUN 20 > MOON 15 > MARS 18 > MERCURY 20 > JUPITER 19 > VENUS 19 > SATURN 16 > > Jupiter lord of the 4th house is aspecting the 5th house. So, it could > indicate she would have her children late in her life. IS IT RIGHT? Or, do > we also have to take 11th house for this rule (instead the 5th) in female > charts? > > The girl was conceived in Jupiter period and Venus subperiod (third part). > The boys were conceived in Jupiter period Mars subperiod (second part). > > Houses D and E are ruled by Mars and Jupiter. > > It works for the boys. > > Sun and Mercury have 20 points. > Sun and Mercury are not aspecting houses A, B and C. So, they could have > given a child in their subperiod. IT HAS NOT WORKED. WHY? > > Mars is in natural sandharmi with Sun. So, Mars could have also worked in > this way. > > I have no answer to justify the birth of twins in the Venus subperiod. WHAT > IS YOUR VIEW? > > According to your experience, do you know a way to predict the birth of > twins? > > In this chart, how should have been possible to predic the children will be > born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod and in the SECOND PART of Lars > subperiod? > > > Thanks a lot > Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 10, 2002 Dear Krushna, Thank you very much for your answer. May I ask you some others questions about this chart? The girl was conceived in Venus subperiod (third part). The boys were conceived in Mars subperiod (second part). 1. Should have been possible to predict the girl were born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod? And the boys were born in the SECOND PART of Mars subperiod? 2. Is Jupiter natural karaka of CONCEPTION or BIRTH of children? In others words, does an afflicted Jupiter influence conception (the lady cannot conceive) or birth (the lady may be pregnant, but there are abortions, dead-born children, etc). Thanks a lot Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:24 PM Re: Childbirth Dear Denis, There will be not much difference if there was DST, because Moon was in the constellation of Mars. The chart shows all the planets powerful for giving child birth. The Jupiter is Santati Karak ( responsible for Child birth) We should study the status of Jupiter, It is in the constellation of Saturn and is samdharmi to Saturn ( in navamansha it is with Saturn. ) So there is delay in the child birth. Saturn is in 7th house, and is with only two points, This is also a cause to delay the child birth. Saturn is retrogate so effect reduced. (Lesson 20) The birth date of 1st child is 12th Aug 1995 for which the date of conception is 13th Nov 1994 On that day the moon was in the constellation U. Bhadrapad, the running age of the mother was 29 years, In the chart on page 97 gives female child. For the second time the date of birth of Twin is 10th June 1998, the date of conception comes to 10th Sept 1997, the moon was in Jyestha constellation, and age of mother was running 31 year, as perchart it shows male child. Regrading Twin birth I do not have any perfect law, which can give perfect result. Sorry for that. I have not came accross much cases of twins. First time the conception was in the sub of Venus, with 19 points, and 2nd time it was in the lord of house D for 11th house with 18 points. The Mercury and Sun are having higest points Mercury is lord of 12th house from 11th house and Sun is situated with Mercuru in 1st house ruled by mercury. So Venus is the significator with highest points. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > This is the chart of my sister-in-law. She was born on 17 september 1966, > 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) in Sète (3E41 43N24). Ascendant 20°44' Virgo. She has > three children. They tried for many years to have children before she was > sucessfull. > > 1. A girl was born on 12 august 1995 (conception 22 novembre 1994). > 2. Two boys (twins) were born on 10 juin 1998 (conception 2 october 1997). > Dates of conception are a certaincy in this chart (I have chosen to work on > this chart for this point). > > Results in the worksheet for 11th house are: > SUN 20 > MOON 15 > MARS 18 > MERCURY 20 > JUPITER 19 > VENUS 19 > SATURN 16 > > Jupiter lord of the 4th house is aspecting the 5th house. So, it could > indicate she would have her children late in her life. IS IT RIGHT? Or, do > we also have to take 11th house for this rule (instead the 5th) in female > charts? > > The girl was conceived in Jupiter period and Venus subperiod (third part). > The boys were conceived in Jupiter period Mars subperiod (second part). > > Houses D and E are ruled by Mars and Jupiter. > > It works for the boys. > > Sun and Mercury have 20 points. > Sun and Mercury are not aspecting houses A, B and C. So, they could have > given a child in their subperiod. IT HAS NOT WORKED. WHY? > > Mars is in natural sandharmi with Sun. So, Mars could have also worked in > this way. > > I have no answer to justify the birth of twins in the Venus subperiod. WHAT > IS YOUR VIEW? > > According to your experience, do you know a way to predict the birth of > twins? > > In this chart, how should have been possible to predic the children will be > born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod and in the SECOND PART of Lars > subperiod? > > > Thanks a lot > Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 10, 2002 Dear Denis, For this chart we have not rectified the birth time. The is a difference of 56 days which is equal to about 13 to 14 minits difference. There is a minor difference in our Ayanansha calculations, to avoid more complications we have taken a strieght equation for ayanansha calculation, which gives the result in a very tolerable limit. More over a difference of 13 days is experienced, reason not known. So this difference is very with in the limit. If we rectify the birth time it may be some 7/8 minits, I think it will be correct in the line. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you very much for your answer. May I ask you some others questions > about this chart? > > The girl was conceived in Venus subperiod > (third part). > > The boys were conceived in Mars subperiod (second > part). > > 1. Should have been possible to predict the girl were born in the THIRD PART > of Venus subperiod? And the boys were born in the SECOND PART of Mars > subperiod? > > 2. Is Jupiter natural karaka of CONCEPTION or BIRTH of children? In others > words, does an afflicted Jupiter influence conception (the lady cannot > conceive) or birth (the lady may be pregnant, but there are abortions, > dead-born children, etc). > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:24 PM > Re: Childbirth > > > Dear Denis, > There will be not much difference if there was DST, because > Moon was in the constellation of Mars. > The chart shows all the planets powerful for giving child > birth. The Jupiter is Santati Karak ( responsible for Child birth) We > should study the status of Jupiter, It is in the constellation of > Saturn and is samdharmi to Saturn ( in navamansha it is with > Saturn. ) So there is delay in the child birth. Saturn is in 7th > house, and is with only two points, This is also a cause to delay the > child birth. Saturn is retrogate so effect reduced. (Lesson 20) > The birth date of 1st child is 12th Aug 1995 for which the > date of conception is 13th Nov 1994 On that day the moon was in the > constellation U. Bhadrapad, the running age of the mother was 29 > years, In the chart on page 97 gives female child. > For the second time the date of birth of Twin is 10th June > 1998, the date of conception comes to 10th Sept 1997, the moon was in > Jyestha constellation, and age of mother was running 31 year, as > perchart it shows male child. > Regrading Twin birth I do not have any perfect law, which > can give perfect result. Sorry for that. I have not came accross much > cases of twins. > First time the conception was in the sub of Venus, with 19 > points, and 2nd time it was in the lord of house D for 11th house > with 18 points. The Mercury and Sun are having higest points Mercury > is lord of 12th house from 11th house and Sun is situated with > Mercuru in 1st house ruled by mercury. So Venus is the significator > with highest points. > krushna > > > > > , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Krushna, > > > > This is the chart of my sister-in-law. She was born on 17 september > 1966, > > 8h10 CET (= 7h10 UT) in Sète (3E41 43N24). Ascendant 20°44' Virgo. > She has > > three children. They tried for many years to have children before > she was > > sucessfull. > > > > 1. A girl was born on 12 august 1995 (conception 22 novembre 1994). > > 2. Two boys (twins) were born on 10 juin 1998 (conception 2 october > 1997). > > Dates of conception are a certaincy in this chart (I have chosen to > work on > > this chart for this point). > > > > Results in the worksheet for 11th house are: > > SUN 20 > > MOON 15 > > MARS 18 > > MERCURY 20 > > JUPITER 19 > > VENUS 19 > > SATURN 16 > > > > Jupiter lord of the 4th house is aspecting the 5th house. So, it > could > > indicate she would have her children late in her life. IS IT RIGHT? > Or, do > > we also have to take 11th house for this rule (instead the 5th) in > female > > charts? > > > > The girl was conceived in Jupiter period and Venus subperiod > (third part). > > The boys were conceived in Jupiter period Mars subperiod (second > part). > > > > Houses D and E are ruled by Mars and Jupiter. > > > > It works for the boys. > > > > Sun and Mercury have 20 points. > > Sun and Mercury are not aspecting houses A, B and C. So, they could > have > > given a child in their subperiod. IT HAS NOT WORKED. WHY? > > > > Mars is in natural sandharmi with Sun. So, Mars could have also > worked in > > this way. > > > > I have no answer to justify the birth of twins in the Venus > subperiod. WHAT > > IS YOUR VIEW? > > > > According to your experience, do you know a way to predict the > birth of > > twins? > > > > In this chart, how should have been possible to predic the children > will be > > born in the THIRD PART of Venus subperiod and in the SECOND PART of > Lars > > subperiod? > > > > > > Thanks a lot > > Denis > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 12, 2002 Dear Denis, The points in 3,6,10th and 11th if are in rising order gives first child as female. If you observe keenly you will find these houses are next to the houses taken for child birth for male child. krushna --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Dear Krushna,<BR> <BR> This is a message you sent some weeks ago.<BR> <BR> & quot;Dear Denis,<BR> The sex of the child is as per the position of Sun and Moon<BR> on the date of Conception and the age of the mother. It is covered in<BR> some lesson. Points in 3,6,10th and 11 are also responsible for male<BR> or female child. & quot;<BR> <BR> I do not understand clearly this phrase: & quot;Points in 3, 6, 10 and 11 are also<BR> responsible for male or female child & quot;. How do we use this rule?<BR> <BR> Thanks a lot<BR> Denis<BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 12, 2002 Dear Denis, The birth of child depends upon the Nk and Fk for 5th house, means Jupiter and the 12th lord. The abortion or dead birth are depending upon Mars and Rahu, Mainly effecting 5th house. If the sub of conception and that of delivery are having contra points, there may bwe such effect. Means if the points for the period of the sub lord is having good points and if points of the sub lord is very less then such effect may be experienced. In such case two planets should not be samdharmi. krushna --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Dear Krushna,<BR> <BR> <BR> May I ask you again a question? It was mixed with some others questions in a<BR> message I sent. So, it wans clear.<BR> <BR> Is Jupiter natural karaka of CONCEPTION or BIRTH? Is an afflicted Jupiter<BR> bad for conception(the lady cannot conceive) or for birth (abortions, dead<BR> born child)?<BR> <BR> Thanks a lot<BR> Denis<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 12, 2002 Dear Denis, This chart is not available any where else. There is some chart known as chinese chart, very different from this chart is available. This chart is given by my Guru. Mostly about 80 % of the result matches. Some time the result is differed, that may be due to delayed conception from mating. Some time the date of mating given is different ( deliberately ) by the female member. So going in detail is not advisable. Such things are experienced perticularly in the case of delayed child. So in such case for utilising the astrology for better of the human beings, no body should go in roots. krushna --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> <BR> Dear Krushna,<BR> <BR> What is the source of CONCEPTIONS CHARTS you give in lesson 20? Your gurou?<BR> A classic text?<BR> <BR> Thanks for your answer.<BR> <BR> Denis<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 12, 2002 Dear Denis, In this system, no planet is benefic or malefic for all the houses. If any planet is malefic for any perticular house it may be benefic for some other house. Very rare case we may find some perticular planet malefic for all the houses. It is generally the planet aspected by other planets with more points. So the points of the planet is reduced. krushna --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Dear Krushna,<BR> <BR> In lesson 20, you give the results of benefic and malefic planets for the<BR> 5th house. The following cases are not covered. Could you give me your<BR> opinion about them? You have a huge experience in these matters!<BR> <BR> Benefic Sun<BR> <BR> Malefic Moon<BR> <BR> Malefic Mercury<BR> <BR> Malefic Venus<BR> <BR> Malefic Saturn<BR> <BR> I will be out for 4 days. So, you will be quiet !<BR> <BR> Best regards<BR> Denis<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 16, 2002 Dear Krushna, Thank you for your explanations. One more question about your phrase: " The birth of child depends upon the Nk and Fk for 5th house, means Jupiter and the 12th lord. The abortion or dead birth are depending upon Mars and Rahu, Mainly effecting 5th house. " Is it the same for a male and a female chart? Or do we have to read " 11th house " instead " 5th house " when we study a female chart? Thanks a lot Denis eignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushna jugalkalani " <krushanain Friday, April 12, 2002 8:39 PM Re: Childbirth > Dear Denis, > The birth of child depends upon the Nk and Fk > for 5th house, means Jupiter and the 12th lord. The > abortion or dead birth are depending upon Mars and > Rahu, Mainly effecting 5th house. If the sub of > conception and that of delivery are having contra > points, there may bwe such effect. > Means if the points for the period of the sub > lord is having good points and if points of the sub > lord is very less then such effect may be experienced. > In such case two planets should not be samdharmi. > krushna > --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure wrote: > > <HR> > <html><body> > > > <tt> > Dear Krushna,<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > May I ask you again a question? It was mixed with some > others questions in a<BR> > message I sent. So, it wans clear.<BR> > <BR> > Is Jupiter natural karaka of CONCEPTION or BIRTH? Is > an afflicted Jupiter<BR> > bad for conception(the lady cannot conceive) or for > birth (abortions, dead<BR> > born child)?<BR> > <BR> > Thanks a lot<BR> > Denis<BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br> > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " > color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 16, 2002 Dear Denis, These are for male chart, for female it should be refereed to 11th house. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for your explanations. One more question about your phrase: " The > birth of child depends upon the Nk and Fk for 5th house, means Jupiter and > the 12th lord. The abortion or dead birth are depending upon Mars and Rahu, > Mainly effecting 5th house. " > > Is it the same for a male and a female chart? Or do we have to read " 11th > house " instead " 5th house " when we study a female chart? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > > eignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushna jugalkalani " <krushanain> > > Friday, April 12, 2002 8:39 PM > Re: Childbirth > > > > Dear Denis, > > The birth of child depends upon the Nk and Fk > > for 5th house, means Jupiter and the 12th lord. The > > abortion or dead birth are depending upon Mars and > > Rahu, Mainly effecting 5th house. If the sub of > > conception and that of delivery are having contra > > points, there may bwe such effect. > > Means if the points for the period of the sub > > lord is having good points and if points of the sub > > lord is very less then such effect may be experienced. > > In such case two planets should not be samdharmi. > > krushna > > --- DENIS LABOURE <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > > > <HR> > > <html><body> > > > > > > <tt> > > Dear Krushna,<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > May I ask you again a question? It was mixed with some > > others questions in a<BR> > > message I sent. So, it wans clear.<BR> > > <BR> > > Is Jupiter natural karaka of CONCEPTION or BIRTH? Is > > an afflicted Jupiter<BR> > > bad for conception(the lady cannot conceive) or for > > birth (abortions, dead<BR> > > born child)?<BR> > > <BR> > > Thanks a lot<BR> > > Denis<BR> > > <BR> > > </tt> > > > > <br> > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " > > color=#003399><b> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2002 Dear Denis, In vedic astrology, all laws and general rules are given for male chart. For Female charts are having separate chapter " Stree Jatak " . In similar way, the notes given by my Guru are for Male chart. For female chart differs only for child birth. This is only the difference in male chart and female chart. There is no any other difference for any other event is noted. Or to be very frank, there is no special note for female chart. Now while working on female chart in the current age, I have not experienced any difference. So considering the child birth in female chart, where it is mensioned 5th house, it should be refered to 11th house. Only Mars in 2nd house, which is 4th from 11th house, and 10th from 5th house, effects on the child birth. In addition to this Mars in 8th house also effect on child birth. Some where it is noted that along with 11th for female 5th house should also be refered. but that is only for planets situated in 5th will effect 11th house. krushna - In , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > There are some points which are not clear in my mind about lesson 20. > > Question 1/ Page 95: PLANETS IN THE 5TH HOUSE. > Do we have to read " Planets in the 5th house in all charts " or " Planets in > the 5th house in male charts OR Planets in the 11thy house in female > charts " . > > Question 2/ > Does the 5th house rule the BIRTH of children in all charts? Or only in male > charts? In a female chart, is a difficult delivering indicated by an > afflicted 5th house or an afflicted 11th house? > > Question 3/ > In one of your messages, I have understood the BIRTH of a child happened > during the subperiod of a planet havin a high number of points FOR THE 5TH > house. It is true for all charts (male and female)? If this rule is right, > how do we make the difference in timing CONCEPTION (5th house) and BIRTH > (also 5th house) of a child in a male chart? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > > > > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Krushna, Thank you for your answer. What is your view about this question: " In one of your messages, I have understood the BIRTH of a child happened during the subperiod of a planet havin a high number of points FOR THE 5TH house. It is true for all charts (male and female)? If this rule is right, how do we make the difference in timing CONCEPTION (5th house) and BIRTH (also 5th house) of a child in a male chart? " Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:34 PM Re: Childbirth Dear Denis, In vedic astrology, all laws and general rules are given for male chart. For Female charts are having separate chapter " Stree Jatak " . In similar way, the notes given by my Guru are for Male chart. For female chart differs only for child birth. This is only the difference in male chart and female chart. There is no any other difference for any other event is noted. Or to be very frank, there is no special note for female chart. Now while working on female chart in the current age, I have not experienced any difference. So considering the child birth in female chart, where it is mensioned 5th house, it should be refered to 11th house. Only Mars in 2nd house, which is 4th from 11th house, and 10th from 5th house, effects on the child birth. In addition to this Mars in 8th house also effect on child birth. Some where it is noted that along with 11th for female 5th house should also be refered. but that is only for planets situated in 5th will effect 11th house. krushna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Denis, For male chart and female chart, For all types of results, we should deal in similar way, Except for child birth. I think lesson 20 should be rewrite as it creates some confusion. In that lesson there is no clear indication for houses to be selected. Please make this think clear, that for female chart we must consider 11th house as B for child birth. In this case the lord of D and house D plays an important role, which is 8th house. In due course of time I will add this in the lesson. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for your answer. What is your view about this question: > " In one of your messages, I have understood the BIRTH of a child happened > during the subperiod of a planet havin a high number of points FOR THE 5TH > house. It is true for all charts (male and female)? If this rule is right, > how do we make the difference in timing CONCEPTION (5th house) and BIRTH > (also 5th house) of a child in a male chart? " > > Thank you very much for sharing your experience. > > Denis > > > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:34 PM > Re: Childbirth > > > Dear Denis, > In vedic astrology, all laws and general rules are given for > male chart. For Female charts are having separate chapter " Stree > Jatak " . In similar way, the notes given by my Guru are for Male > chart. For female chart differs only for child birth. This is only > the difference in male chart and female chart. > There is no any other difference for any other event is noted. > Or to be very frank, there is no special note for female chart. Now > while working on female chart in the current age, I have not > experienced any difference. > So considering the child birth in female chart, where it is > mensioned 5th house, it should be refered to 11th house. Only Mars in > 2nd house, which is 4th from 11th house, and 10th from 5th house, > effects on the child birth. In addition to this Mars in 8th house > also effect on child birth. Some where it is noted that along with > 11th for female 5th house should also be refered. but that is only > for planets situated in 5th will effect 11th house. > krushna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Krushna, So, is it correct to write: * In a female chart, Mars afflicting the XIth, VIIIth and IVth is bad for childbirth. * In a male chart, Mars afflicting the Vth, IIth and Xth is bad for childbirth. Thanks for your patience. Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Denis, I will add one more point here below your writeup. , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > So, is it correct to write: > > * In a female chart, Mars afflicting the XIth, by its situation in XI, VIIIth and IVth is bad for childbirth. The rahu at the same time should afflict Xi house or it's lord, for female char. Similar result if it afflicts (with Rahu)the lord of 11th house for female chart. > * In a male chart, Mars ( with Rahu) afflicting the Vth, by situateing in V, IIth and Xth is bad for childbirth. In this case again Rahu should afflict 5th lord or house. > > Thanks for your patience. > > Denis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
