Oh how things have changed regarding hospitals and doctors in ISKCON

[Sarva gattah 0]

Oh how things have changed regarding hospitals and doctors in ISKCON

 

 

<DIR><DIR>Let's go back to Sri Vrindavan Dham, November 3, 1977, inside Srila Prabhupada's room, where Tamal Krsna Goswami and Jayapataka Swami are "leading" conversations with His Divine Grace in the following way

Tamal Krsna: "We're not going to do that, Srila Prabhupada.That Samjata dasa? You know Samjata dasa, the architect from Bhuvanesvara? He passed away recently. So I asked Gaura-govinda what were the circumstances.

So he explained that he had been very ill for four or five days. They took him to the hospital. So the doctors gave some drugs for reducing the fever. But suddenly he died. When he died he was unconscious. Gaura-govinda said maybe it was due to the drugs that caused some severe reaction.

We see one example after another that these hospitals, they are simply meant to kill, not to save life. I mean, I don't think we have any faith either in them, Srila Prabhupada.

And apart from our faith, which makes no difference, you strictly ordered it. So we're not going to disobey your order under any circumstance, even if we risk our own life.If someone says to us that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja," then we'll say, "Then kill us." Your order is our command.

Srila Prabhupada: What does he say? They will kill?

Tamal Krsna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital," still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow, even at the risk of our life. So we are not going to take you to the hospital under any condition. Neither... Not only is it your order, but we also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these allopathic doctors".

This attitude is so immature and arrogant, Oh how things have changed

 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

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[bhaktajan 0]

"Oh how things have changed regarding hospitals and doctors in ISKCON"—???

"so immature and arrogant" —???

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What is your point?

You may want to re-state that.

Prabhupada was a pharmasist IN INDIA (land of ayur-veda)—if he had hesitations, then he had good reason to avoid whatever he claimed for himself.

Hospital are Dirty filthy hepatitis riddled places ['HOSPICE'–place to die] is a theme I didn't even know was on the radar back in 1977.

Check out GARY NULL for the latest world-class up-to-date data on medical standards vs the interests of the public welfare.

Below is the status quo for hospital fame for 'cleanliness':

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Deaths from hospital blunders soar 60% in two years as NHS staff 'abandon quality of care to chase targets'

 

06th January 2009

The number of patients killed by hospital blunders has soared by 60 per cent in just two years, the Daily Mail can reveal.

Official records show that 3,645 died as a result of outbreaks of infections, botched operations and other mistakes in 2007/08. That was up from 2,275 two years before.

Critics say quality of NHS care has suffered as doctors and nurses come under pressure to meet Government waiting time targets.

The sharp rise is also down to the fact that more trusts have started to record medical errors - revealing a death toll which in previous years remained hidden under the carpet.

But experts say the true toll is certain to be even higher, because many hospitals still do not record all of the 'patient safety incidents' - meaning that lessons which could have been learned are lost.

In October last year, the Patients Association warned that one in every 300 NHS patients were killed because of medical blunder.

The latest figures, uncovered by the Liberal Democrats, show that 385 died last year due to botched operations and 156 because scans were read wrongly or patients incorrectly diagnosed.

Some 309 died from infection control incidents related to hospital superbugs and 14 due to problems with documentation and records.

Another 54 were killed by wrongly-administered drugs and 40 by faulty medical equipment. There were 171 cases of deaths following simple accidents, usually falls.

On top of this, 22 died as the result of abuse by hospital staff or visitors, and 135 died because they were not transferred properly between wards or hospitals.

Another 487 killed themselves on hospital premises when their depression should have been spotted by doctors.

A range of other blunders brought to total toll to 3,645.

The figures are certain to rise as hospitals get round to reporting mistakes which took place between April 2007 and March 2008 to the National Patient Safety Agency.

'These statistics are stark and the trend is shocking,' said LibDem health spokesman Norman Lamb.

'There needs to be a change of culture at the heart of the NHS. We have got far too many targets and there is a real risk that, although they are very effective at addressing a specific issue, they mean trusts do not see safety as a priority.'

Roger Goss of pressure group Patient Concern said: 'This news is shocking. Patients are already extremely nervous when they have to go to hospital, so they need this news like a hole in the head.'

Peter Walsh of pressure group Action Against Medical Accidents, said many incidents are not reported in official 'patient safety' figures.

He added: 'We need to make patient safety a much higher priority. Staff need training and there needs to be an overhaul of surgical practice, where many avoidable errors happen.

'Double- checking that you've got the right patient, that you're operating on the right side might seem obvious, but we know that it isn't routinely done at many hospitals.

'Resources and staffing are also an issue. It's no surprise to find that more things go wrong at weekends and at night.'

Concerns around the safety of many surgical operations carried out on the NHS are so serious that the all-party Commons health select committee is looking into the issue, and will report in April.

Clare Bowen, whose five-year-old daughter Bethany died as a result of mistakes made during routine surgery in 2006, said: 'I have no doubt these figures will continue to rise unless hospital trusts, and surgeons in particular, are prepared to learn from their mistakes.'

Miss Bowen, whose story is told in today's Good Health section, added: 'Nobody should be afraid to go into hospital.

'But equally, no one should be afraid of asking questions that will make the doctors in charge of their care think carefully about how they behave.'

The rise in avoidable deaths mirrors recent rises in NHS pay-outs for blunders. Around 6,000 cases go to court each year, and compensation to injured patients rose by 18 per cent last year, to £382million.

A spokesman for the Department of Health said: 'The NHS sees a million people every 36 hours. Unfortunately, as in any health service, mistakes and unforeseen incidents will occasionally happen.

'Only a tiny number of errors put patients at serious risk and the quality and safety of healthcare is improving all the time.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106074/Deaths-hospital-blunders-soar-60-years-NHS-staff-abandon-quality-care-chase-targets.html

 

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In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year -- <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>

 

09 Aug 2004

An average of 195,000 people in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.

The HealthGrades Patient Safety in American Hospitals study is the first to look at the mortality and economic impact of medical errors and injuries that occurred during Medicare hospital admissions nationwide from 2000 to 2002. The HealthGrades study applied the mortality and economic impact models developed by Dr. Chunliu Zhan and Dr. Marlene R. Miller in a research study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in October of 2003. The Zhan and Miller study supported the <st1:place w:st="on"><ST1:PInstitute of <ST1:PMedicine </st1:place>(IOM) 1999 report conclusion, which found that medical errors caused up to 98,000 deaths annually and should be considered a national epidemic.

The HealthGrades study finds nearly double the number of deaths from medical errors found by the 1999 IOM report "To Err is Human," with an associated cost of more than $6 billion per year. Whereas the IOM study extrapolated national findings based on data from three states, and the Zhan and Miller study looked at 7.5 million patient records from 28 states over one year, HealthGrades looked at three years of Medicare data in all 50 states and D.C. This Medicare population represented approximately 45 percent of all hospital admissions (excluding obstetric patients) in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region> from 2000 to 2002.

"The HealthGrades study shows that the IOM report may have underestimated the number of deaths due to medical errors, and, moreover, that there is little evidence that patient safety has improved in the last five years," said Dr. Samantha Collier, HealthGrades' vice president of medical affairs. "The equivalent of 390 jumbo jets full of people are dying each year due to likely preventable, in-hospital medical errors, making this one of the leading killers in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region>"

HealthGrades examined 16 of the 20 patient-safety indicators defined by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) - from bedsores to post-operative sepsis - omitting four obstetrics-related incidents not represented in the Medicare data used in the study. Of these sixteen, the mortality associated with two, failure to rescue and death in low risk hospital admissions, accounted for the majority of deaths that were associated with these patient safety incidents. These two categories of patients were not evaluated in the IOM or JAMA analyses, accounting for the variation in the number of annual deaths attributable to medical errors. However, the magnitude of the problem is evident in all three studies.

"If we could focus our efforts on just four key areas - failure to rescue, bed sores, postoperative sepsis, and postoperative pulmonary embolism - and reduce these incidents by just 20 percent, we could save 39,000 people from dying every year," said Dr. Collier.

The HealthGrades study was released in conjunction with the company's first annual Distinguished Hospital Award for Patient SafetyTM, which honors hospitals with the best records of patient safety. Eighty-eight hospitals in 23 states were given the award for having the nation's lowest patient-safety incidence rates. A list of winners can be found at http://www.healthgrades.com.

 

Study Highlights Among the findings in the HealthGrades Patient Safety in American Hospitals study are as follows:

 

-- About 1.14 million patient-safety incidents occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations in the Medicare population over the years 2000-2002.

 

-- Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incident(s).

 

-- One in every four Medicare patients who were hospitalized from 2000 to 2002 and experienced a patient-safety incident died.

 

-- The 16 patient-safety incidents accounted for $8.54 billion in excess in-patient costs to the Medicare system over the three years studied. Extrapolated to the entire <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region>, an extra $19 billion was spent and more than 575,000 preventable deaths occurred from 2000 to 2002.

 

-- Patient-safety incidents with the highest rates per 1,000 hospitalizations were failure to rescue, decubitus ulcer and postoperative sepsis, which accounted for almost 60 percent of all patient-safety incidents that occurred.

 

-- Overall, the best performing hospitals (hospitals that had the lowest overall patient safety incident rates of all hospitals studied, defined as the top 7.5 percent of all hospitals studied) had five fewer deaths per 1000 hospitalizations compared to the bottom 10th percentile of hospitals. This significant mortality difference is attributable to fewer patient-safety incidents at the best performing hospitals.

 

-- Fewer patient safety incidents in the best performing hospitals resulted in a lower cost of $740,337 per 1,000 hospitalizations as compared to the bottom 10th percentile of hospitals.

 

The complete study, including the list of AHRQ patient-safety indicators, can be found at http://www.healthgrades.com.

 

"If the Center for Disease Control's annual list of leading causes of death included medical errors, it would show up as number six, ahead of diabetes, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and renal disease," continued Dr. Collier. "Hospitals need to act on this, and consumers need to arm themselves with enough information to make quality-oriented health care choices when selecting a hospital."

 

Distinguished Hospital Awards and Findings

 

In addition to its findings on patient safety, HealthGrades today honored 88 hospitals in 23 states with the Distinguished Hospital Award for Patient Safety, the first national hospital award to focus purely on hospital patient safety. The award was designed to highlight hospitals with the best records of patient safety in the nation and to encourage consumers to research their local hospitals before undergoing a procedure.

 

HealthGrades based the awards on a detailed study of patient safety events in hospitals nationwide from 2000 to 2002, using the list of patient-safety incidents developed by AHRQ. "Best" hospitals were identified as the top 7.5 percent of the hospitals studied and had significantly different patient-safety incident rates and costs compared to hospitals that were average or in the bottom 10th percentile. Among the "best" hospitals, the lower number of avoidable deaths and in-patient hospital costs were directly related to their lower overall patient-safety incident rates.

 

"If all the Medicare patients who were admitted to the bottom 10th percentile of hospitals from 2000 to 2002 were instead admitted to the "best" hospitals, approximately 4,000 lives and $580 million would have been saved," said Dr. Collier.

 

About HealthGrades

 

Health Grades, Inc. (OTCBB: HGRD) is the leading independent healthcare quality company, providing ratings, information and advisory services to healthcare providers, employers, health plans and insurance companies. HealthGrades works with healthcare providers to help assess, improve and promote their quality. HealthGrades provides consumers access to information about healthcare providers and practitioners through its Web site and provides liability insurers, employers and payers with critical information about healthcare quality.

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[Sarva gattah 0]

Good points, thank you, however, my point is devotees like Gopal Krsna Maharaj and others had operations in hospitals, even Tamal Krishna Gosvami also.

 

I was referig to the over the top comments by Tamal Krishna Goswami. All though I suppose the medical technoogy is better today than 1977. As far as hospitals being filthy, well, in Australia it is not like America or India, there are many good private clean hospitals not like that - if you have the money

[Kulapavana 0]

Perhaps if Srila Prabhupada was actually treated properly for his diabetes he would have stayed with us for several more years. He did not follow proper diet, did not take insulin, and did not monitor his blood sugar levels.

[AncientMariner 0]

I stay away from allopathic doctors as well as much as possible so I can't blame anyone that wants to try and stay away from them if possible.

 

Have experienced firsthand the horrors of psychiatric medicine and mental hospitals. It is mostly just the American environment that is depressing and medication is not going to solve that because America has become the Fourth Reich and people have unkowingly fallen into the traps set by escaped Nazis that have formed the multinational corporations that now control the government and are using advanced propaganda techniqes to keep people enslaved in the left right paradigm while they institute mass soft kill and hard kill eugenics if they get their wish.

[AncientMariner 0]

 

Perhaps if Srila Prabhupada was actually treated properly for his diabetes he would have stayed with us for several more years. He did not follow proper diet, did not take insulin, and did not monitor his blood sugar levels.

 

 

Maybe true who knows but I don't blame him for leaving with all the stuff I have read about that was going on in Iskcon. I read that Prabhupada's guru left early as well because of all the crazy stuff going on in his matha.