Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Dear List: Does anyone have complete chart information for George Harrison? I did a quck search on this list but only came up with some discussion about rectification of time (not day). A chart I did on astrodienst with Lahiri/equal house using the time 11:50 AM for Feb 25, and came up with Taurus asc 26* Libra Moon around 13* and Aquarius Sun H-10. There was some discussion in VA about NT Saturn (in Taurus) aspecting his 10th house Sun with Rahu (Leo H-3) being a factor in his cancer and death on November 29, 2001, but the language was too technical for me to follow the discussion. ADB' data shows this information sent from a friend, 02/24/1943 Place: Liverpool, England Lat: 53 N 25 Lng: 02 W 55 Time: 23:42 GDT (+0:00) who also sent a further discussion about his birthdate. Either way, I think today is George's birthday, and watching a London concert at Royal Albert Hall tribute for him yesterday triggered some memories. I was interested in knowing more precise details about his birth and death. Janna Data Source: From memory Rodden Rating: A > Source Notes: Mercury Hour, 4/1993, p.1, "Janice Giles of New > Zealand sent us some interesting news from George Harrison who > wrote, "For instance, I only learned recently after all these years > that the date and time of my own birth have always been off by one > calendar day and about a half hour on the clock," reported in > Billboard magazine, 12/1992." On a prior ocassion, he had given out > February 25, 1943, 00:05 AM GDT, (23 minutes later). Tashi Grady met > Harrison in 7/1993 and he said that he and his astrologer had > rectified the time to 11:52:19 PM.On 2/24/2002, Jayj Jacobs > wrote, "Early this morning I was listening to a Westwood One > broadcast syndicated on SF's fabled KFRC. The show, 'Beatle Brunch' > was on George Harrison, a bio & music compilation, in which they > interviewed George's sister, on the air.She said she was confused by > her brother's statements concerning the change in his birth date & > time *Because* she had a birth record in hand -- in her mother's > handwriting -- saying he was born at 12:10 am on the 25th. She also > said that her mother was awake and aware of the birth. She commented > that in those days, "before digital clocks an all that" that spoken > remarks re: time were approximated to the nearest 5 minutes or > so, "'ten of' or 'a quarter after' and such". That should make 12:10 > accurate within 2-3 minutes either way, about as close as we ever > get -- without a stopwatch holding astrologer on the premises. I've > had several clients *try to be helpful* and give me their birthtime > *after* it had been converted by another astrologer to Standard or > LMT, etc. I suspect that's what George did, with a bit > of 'wrecktifiction' thrown in. I think his Mom, the written record, > & sister trump his later 'recovered knowledge'." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Janna Lynn wrote: > Dear List: > > .On 2/24/2002, Jayj Jacobs > > wrote, "Early this morning I was listening to a Westwood One > > broadcast syndicated on SF's fabled KFRC. The show, 'Beatle Brunch' > > was on George Harrison, a bio & music compilation, in which they > > interviewed George's sister, on the air.She said she was confused by > > her brother's statements concerning the change in his birth date & > > time *Because* she had a birth record in hand -- in her mother's > > handwriting -- saying he was born at 12:10 am on the 25th. She also > > said that her mother was awake and aware of the birth. She commented > > that in those days, "before digital clocks an all that" that spoken > > remarks re: time were approximated to the nearest 5 minutes or > > so, "'ten of' or 'a quarter after' and such". That should make 12:10 > > accurate within 2-3 minutes either way, about as close as we ever > > get -- without a stopwatch holding astrologer on the premises. I've > > had several clients *try to be helpful* and give me their birthtime > > *after* it had been converted by another astrologer to Standard or > > LMT, etc. I suspect that's what George did, with a bit > > of 'wrecktifiction' thrown in. > Hi Janna, I think the above statement, quoting George's sister, is most important. The mother was "awake and aware of his birth" and she (the sister), has a handwritten document from the mother stating 12:10 AM on February 25th. One would assume that this time was recorded in BST (British Summer Time), or 1 hour in advance of standard time, since that was the time in use during February '43. War Time started on April 4th of '43 and that would have been 2 hours ahead of standard time. It would seem somewhat doubtful that the mother would translate the time back to standard time, but rather simply wrote down the time or memorized the time from a clock close at hand in the hospital. Of course we don't know if the hospital clocks were set to BST. This morning in LA on KLOS's "Breakfast With the Beatles", they were interviewing George's wife Olivia. She stated that George was born a few minutes before midnight on the 24th, but that the time was recorded sometime after midnight due to the War Time that was in effect. I think she must have War Time and BST mixed up here. Is she saying then that "a few minutes before midnight" was recorded in Standand Time or BST? The above is all quite confusing and may never be made clear, however it does seem that George was born sometime around midnight. Libra is rising approx between 10:15 PM on the 24th and 1:00 AM on the 25th if recorded in GMT and between 11:15 PM and 2:00 AM if recorded in BST. To me, it is highly likely, given the above statements by two close relations of George, that Libra is the correct rising sign and a good starting place to begin a rectification. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Thank you, Steven. I happened to be at a friend's house Feb 24 and they were showing the Royal Albert Hall tribute to G. Harrison and playing the "old songs" of our youth, and none of us knew that his birthday was that same day, until I returned home and looked it up. Then a search on VA turned up a very acrimonious debate on the rising sign of Virgo-Libra. But I agree that it is probable that he had Libra rising (exact conjunct Moon trine Aquarius Sun, a grand trine with Jupiter in Gemini). I knew from his age at the time of death that he was undergoing Saturn Return, and with Libra asc that would be 8th house SA aspecting Cancer midheaven and I think NT Sun. I have very imprecise calculation skills, but if the death day of Nov 29, 2001 is accurate he might have had Bharani Moon opposing a Swati Libra asc and Moon. Your calculations of "10:15 PM on the 24th and 1:00 AM on the 25th if recorded in GMT and between 11:15 PM and 2:00 AM if recorded in BST for a Libra asc" allow enough latitude even if there was a differential in the BST time zone. That profile would also seem to account more for his incredible artistry as well as his characteristics of being a loner and depressed (the 8th house SA aspect with midheaven and NT SU). He spoke truly when he titled his song "All Things Must Pass." Thanks again for casting some light on this mystery. -Janna valist, Steven Stuckey <shastra wrote: > > > > Janna Lynn wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > .On 2/24/2002, Jayj Jacobs > > > wrote, "Early this morning I was listening to a Westwood One > > > broadcast syndicated on SF's fabled KFRC. The show, 'Beatle Brunch' > > > was on George Harrison, a bio & music compilation, in which they > > > interviewed George's sister, on the air.She said she was confused by > > > her brother's statements concerning the change in his birth date & > > > time *Because* she had a birth record in hand -- in her mother's > > > handwriting -- saying he was born at 12:10 am on the 25th. She also > > > said that her mother was awake and aware of the birth. She commented > > > that in those days, "before digital clocks an all that" that spoken > > > remarks re: time were approximated to the nearest 5 minutes or > > > so, "'ten of' or 'a quarter after' and such". That should make 12:10 > > > accurate within 2-3 minutes either way, about as close as we ever > > > get -- without a stopwatch holding astrologer on the premises. I've > > > had several clients *try to be helpful* and give me their birthtime > > > *after* it had been converted by another astrologer to Standard or > > > LMT, etc. I suspect that's what George did, with a bit > > > of 'wrecktifiction' thrown in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Janna, > > I think the above statement, quoting George's sister, is most important. > The mother was "awake and aware of his birth" and she (the sister), has > a handwritten document from the mother stating 12:10 AM on February 25th. > One would assume that this time was recorded in BST (British Summer > Time), or 1 hour in advance of standard time, since that was the time in > use during February '43. War Time started on April 4th of '43 and that > would have been 2 hours ahead of standard time. It would seem somewhat > doubtful that the mother would translate the time back to standard time, > but rather simply wrote down the time or memorized the time from a clock > close at hand in the hospital. Of course we don't know if the hospital > clocks were set to BST. > > This morning in LA on KLOS's "Breakfast With the Beatles", they were > interviewing George's wife Olivia. She stated that George was born a few > minutes before midnight on the 24th, but that the time was recorded > sometime after midnight due to the War Time that was in effect. I think > she must have War Time and BST mixed up here. Is she saying then that > "a few minutes before midnight" was recorded in Standand Time or BST? > > The above is all quite confusing and may never be made clear, however it > does seem that George was born sometime around midnight. Libra is rising > approx between 10:15 PM on the 24th and 1:00 AM on the 25th if recorded > in GMT and between 11:15 PM and 2:00 AM if recorded in BST. > > To me, it is highly likely, given the above statements by two close > relations of George, that Libra is the correct rising sign and a good > starting place to begin a rectification. > > Best, > > Steve > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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