Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Dear Astrologers, I have been thinking about our time fo birth which is an essential element in our astrological chart, but is it wrong for me to believe that there is a more accurate time, we should be looking into, because life was given once our mom conceive so is it wrong for me to believe that the time we were conceived could be the time that we should all be looking into. For example, if i am born on the 25th Nov so i might be conceived on the month of Feb assuming it is an exact 9 months delivery without premature. According to other sources too, that babies in the womb would have their first hearbeat after 4 months. Since life starts in the mothers womb we have been living long before we step into the tangible world.Hence I really need some clarification of a valid justification of calculating our lifechart based on the time of birth. Regards, Gyathri Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Your question & analysis is right. But how do you know that a woman has conceived?? It is only after observing the menstrual cycle or other related biological mechanism. The ancient rishis found it convenient that day of birth is more convincing and logical to record and hence, taken as the basis. Analysing critically, one is confused whether to take the time of birth or time of doctor cutting the umbilical cord or when the child is touched on the ground ( old customs)..etc.. As the time variation in such cases is only few minutes, it is immaterial difference. Our astro_classics have combinations for best "Garbadharan" and not much research or case studies available on this, for the simple reason that such discussions are too private or personal. Good ettiquette and society norms does not allow to disclose or discuss this. There is good amount of literature available on Garbadharan subject....original and translated..........{ there are many other highly qualified members in this groups to advice you further !!) If one analysis the ancient scriptures including our mythology, the muhurta of an event is given more importance than individual horoscope. Every muhurta has a name ascribed to it and some predictions related to it ( without even considering the planetary positions ), this is done based on the "amsa" calculations. Some of this ancient science is lost and very very few people know it, atleast to my knowledge do not know if any of the existing astro_classics even mention it properly i.e. literature on this is NOT available. Most of our mythologies denote or reflect the importance of muhurta ( read nakshatra based muhurtas) rather than planetary based muhurtas which came much much later. It is said that the time/event of Lord Ravan kidnapping Goddess Sita, was called something "Vinda", a result of which was destruction or end of Lord Ravan. The coronation of Lord Rama as King of Ayodhya, the muhurta was determined by our great brahma rishi Vasisth, ( can he wrong ?? ). Brood over this and you will get a new revelation or understanding of astrology timing....... Adding to your mental inquisitiveness, the original timing of the great epic war i.e. Mahabharat, was fixed, however, the Lord Krishna preponed the timing by couple of hours, by raising the clarion conch call.....of war !!! Well in Mahabharat there are few knowledgeable astros including Great Bhishma, Daring Duryodhan, Guru Dronacharya, Dhaan Vir Karna, Chief Justice Yudishthira, Rewarded Naku & Sakadev, Lord Krishna....etc.. If you read the original sanskrit translation of Mahabharat { surely NOT those Amar Chitra kathas} there is an interesting discussion between Great Bhishma, Guru Dronnacharya, Daring Duryodhan on the issue of completion of the 12+1 years of exile of Pandavas. This controversy still goes i.e. 360 or 365 days in an annual year....etc.. Coming back to Mahabharat the place and location of the war was also predetermined intelligently by Sri Lord Krishna i.e. Kurushetra for certain genuine reasons....one of reasons being that the SOIL there at Kurushetra favors NONE or it is NEUTRAL. There are few very interesting astro_cryptic clues here for an interested student of astrology.......left to each one's imagination to decipher the same...... Digressing from the issue for a while as we have touched few things on mythology, just wanted to add few more lines....though learned Brahma Rishi Vasisht happens to be the Kulguru or Chief adviser of Lord Ram's family, but he choose Brahma Rishi Vishwamitra to train Lord Ram & brothers in the field of Weapons i.e. missiles or art of war........and technique......{ read between the lines - the original translations - great astro_message is involved here } Some of the finest translations are available in telugu, but due to modern education stress in English or Hinglish, tracing those good books would be daunting task for it is written in poetry form in Telugu. with regards, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 (AT) satyam (DOT) net.in _____ [] On Behalf Of GYATHRI PATANJOTHI Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:57 PM jyotish remedies calculation of T.O.B Dear Astrologers, I have been thinking about our time fo birth which is an essential element in our astrological chart, but is it wrong for me to believe that there is a more accurate time, we should be looking into, because life was given once our mom conceive so is it wrong for me to believe that the time we were conceived could be the time that we should all be looking into. For example, if i am born on the 25th Nov so i might be conceived on the month of Feb assuming it is an exact 9 months delivery without premature. According to other sources too, that babies in the womb would have their first hearbeat after 4 months. Since life starts in the mothers womb we have been living long before we step into the tangible world.Hence I really need some clarification of a valid justification of calculating our lifechart based on the time of birth. Regards, Gyathri .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=9699862/grpspId=1705082690/msgId =39690/stime=1171783748/nc1=3848641/nc2=3848567/nc3=3848581> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Learned Members, What i think that the so-called TOB we use, is not the real birthtime....for there are differences as to consider which time should be your birthtime????? 1)When u took the first breath 2)When the umbilical cord is cut 3)When the head first comes out 4)When you see the world for the first time 5)Finally, the cry..... One will claim that the 1st point is correct & will nullify the view of others...again we have limited "Classical" support in this case. So, the so-called "correct birthtime" will remain a mystery, no matter how you may try to rectify the TOB, with Prasna, KP, Nadi or matching with events in the family etc!!! Thanq , GYATHRI PATANJOTHI <gyathri1983 wrote: > > Dear Astrologers, > > I have been thinking about our time fo birth which is an essential element in our astrological chart, but is it wrong for me to believe that there is a more accurate time, we should be looking into, because life was given once our mom conceive so is it wrong for me to believe that the time we were conceived could be the time that we should all be looking into. > For example, if i am born on the 25th Nov so i might be conceived on the month of Feb assuming it is an exact 9 months delivery without premature. > According to other sources too, that babies in the womb would have their first hearbeat after 4 months. > Since life starts in the mothers womb we have been living long before we step into the tangible world.Hence I really need some clarification of a valid justification of calculating our lifechart based on the time of birth. > > Regards, > Gyathri > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Dear Gaurav, Your are right. Classics indicate 'bhumipatanam' which can only happen when the fetus us fully delivered, as the moment of birth in kaliyuga. Although moment of conception has been claimed to be the most valid and meaningful here is the conundrum. Even though astrological indications/indicators may help one pinpoint an 'epoch' there is no objective demonstration that that was indeed the moment of conception. Simply because different methods give different epochs. Which one to believe? And even with last menses etc, ovulation being a variable compared to that time-point, etc. even doctors cannot accurately pinpoint the moment of conception. Also note that ovulation and fertilization (the moment of conception) are themselves variable from one pregnancy to another. If there is an accurate biomarker then who is really monitoring it in all pregnant women to pinpoint that time? So it is a mrig marichika, in other words! And if the moment were to be taken, most birthcharts would include the time spent in utero. One event that definitely establishes a separation between mother and baby in most cases is the first birth, even if at least in olden days it was assisted by the birthing team (saying goes that they used to slap the bottom of babies to make them cry and thus breathe, if they were not breathing at birth and beginning to turn blue. So despite the ones that have to be assisted (premature babies) and those who need a slap to jumpstart their birthchart ;-) the first breath which coincides often with the first cry is a reliable time. It often marks a sharp, unmistakable moment provided someone was recording time carefully using an accurate calibrated watch. The trait and event matching is not a perfect way because there are sometimes alternative explanations available for the same event using a slightly different chart and slightly different ayanamsha and all those variables. Most people generally shy away from studying these in a shared manner, because there is little trust that exists between jyotishis, for whatever reason. You may choose not to believe all this, particularly if it does not match your worldview but like they say: take it or leave it :-) RR , "" <gg_0202 wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Learned Members, > What i think that the so-called TOB we use, is not the real > birthtime....for there are differences as to consider which time > should be your birthtime????? > 1)When u took the first breath > 2)When the umbilical cord is cut > 3)When the head first comes out > 4)When you see the world for the first time > 5)Finally, the cry..... > One will claim that the 1st point is correct & will nullify the view > of others...again we have limited "Classical" support in this case. > So, the so-called "correct birthtime" will remain a mystery, no > matter how you may try to rectify the TOB, with Prasna, KP, Nadi or > matching with events in the family etc!!! > Thanq > > > > , GYATHRI PATANJOTHI > <gyathri1983@> wrote: > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > I have been thinking about our time fo birth which is an > essential element in our astrological chart, but is it wrong for me > to believe that there is a more accurate time, we should be looking > into, because life was given once our mom conceive so is it wrong > for me to believe that the time we were conceived could be the time > that we should all be looking into. > > For example, if i am born on the 25th Nov so i might be > conceived on the month of Feb assuming it is an exact 9 months > delivery without premature. > > According to other sources too, that babies in the womb would > have their first hearbeat after 4 months. > > Since life starts in the mothers womb we have been living long > before we step into the tangible world.Hence I really need some > clarification of a valid justification of calculating our lifechart > based on the time of birth. > > > > Regards, > > Gyathri > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 dear Mr Rohini ranjan, I would like to add a few more to ur mail contents. Nine months of the child in the womb is totally dependent on the mother, and during these nine months if the mother does good deed the results of the same are shared by the child, Maybe this is the reason in ancient days the pregnant lady was given spl status both in their in laws or parentshouse. an atmosphere was created to see that the woman and growing fetus always feel happy. Now all those days of glory has gone, modern woman the moment she conceives she thinks abt how the child will be? will it be pretty female or a handsome male child? they always start worrying abt the child's future whether he/she willget into a good school, then whether the child will display extraordinary talents. at least in India most of the middle class family this is how they behave. and the moment the child is born they expect the child to walk, talk, dance, sing and if possible do some mathematical calculations. the parents behaviour and attitude has forced all the primary schools to expect tiny tots to identify computer monitor,keyboard, alphabets and also speak a few words in the interview. we are all fortunate we have not been born in this present generation. shud we put the blame on the planetary configurations of today? k.gopu Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Gopu ji, Thanks for the divine minutes of that meeting and ROD (record of decisions)! It seems that I must have missed that meeting with the Divine! No generation is more blessed or less so! Because the same Essence keeps coming back again and again, if you believe that! Were you a different being yesterday just because you put on a green suit/dress and today you are wearing black? Blaming things on generation gap is what younger people do ... I rest my case! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr Rohini ranjan, > I would like to add a few more to ur mail contents. > Nine months of the child in the womb is totally > dependent on the mother, and during these nine months > if the mother does good deed the results of the same > are shared by the child, Maybe this is the reason in > ancient days the pregnant lady was given spl status > both in their in laws or parentshouse. an atmosphere > was created to see that the woman and growing fetus > always feel happy. Now all those days of glory has > gone, modern woman the moment she conceives she thinks > abt how the child will be? will it be pretty female or > a handsome male child? they always start worrying abt > the child's future whether he/she willget into a good > school, then whether the child will display > extraordinary talents. at least in India most of the > middle class family this is how they behave. and the > moment the child is born they expect the child to > walk, talk, dance, sing and if possible do some > mathematical calculations. the parents behaviour and > attitude has forced all the primary schools to expect > tiny tots to identify computer monitor,keyboard, > alphabets and also speak a few words in the > interview. we are all fortunate we have not been born > in this present generation. shud we put the blame on > the planetary configurations of today? > k.gopu > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 dear Mr.Rohini ranjan, I am not using or blaming the generation gap for the changes that are taking place. I always accept that "CHANGE IS THE ONLY THING WHICH IS CONSTANT". changes are acceptable so long it is beneficial. k.gopu Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Dear Gopu, The point I was making, and since it was missed -- I make again: There is no change, just constant as far as what lies outside of us (objective) is. If only we could observe it with a focused, constant, and non-wavering gaze and steady contemplation! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr.Rohini ranjan, > I am not using or blaming the generation gap for the > changes that are taking place. I always accept that > "CHANGE IS THE ONLY THING WHICH IS CONSTANT". changes > are acceptable so long it is beneficial. > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. > http://autos./green_center/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Jay Gurudev, Gayatri Ji, It's not that the new born baby, starts living life 4 months after his mother has conceived (as you said have their first hearbeat after 4 months).. or appears in this bramhand (universe) for the first time. He was present some where in this Universe before getting entry in the womb of his mother.. The time he's born, actually reveals what his destiny is on this planet earth. And anyway astrologers/clients are interested to know only about their life related to worldly events (as long as one is living in this physical body). So don't try to get deeper. Remember the time when he's actually born reveals his destiny. Jay Gurudev GYATHRI PATANJOTHI <gyathri1983 > wrote: Dear Astrologers, I have been thinking about our time fo birth which is an essential element in our astrological chart, but is it wrong for me to believe that there is a more accurate time, we should be looking into, because life was given once our mom conceive so is it wrong for me to believe that the time we were conceived could be the time that we should all be looking into. For example, if i am born on the 25th Nov so i might be conceived on the month of Feb assuming it is an exact 9 months delivery without premature. According to other sources too, that babies in the womb would have their first hearbeat after 4 months. Since life starts in the mothers womb we have been living long before we step into the tangible world.Hence I really need some clarification of a valid justification of calculating our lifechart based on the time of birth. Regards, Gyathri Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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