Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The other members who wish to comment may please enter this thread now,I was just interested in the native narrating out results of the current dasa,and choosing the right ayanamsha for this case,unhindered,which part is over now from my side. For info.of readers so that they need not waste time in calculating again on their PCs I give below, the different readings from the ayanamshas mentioned in question. These are for The Planet Moon only. KPs - Acq- 29.33.19 P.Bhadra Lahiris - Acq- 29.27.14 P.Bhadra Ramans - Pis- 00.54.14 P.Bhadra. regards, Bhaskar. -- In , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > but wanted you to say. > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > would work with you. > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > You should be convinced by now, > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa > and > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze > the > > divisional charts? > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > times. > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health > > was > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression > > and > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > for a good future. > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious > > study > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > > Getting a > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its > > > tools. > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said > I > > am > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > > finding > > > an > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > > section > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > > is in > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > > long > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > > is in > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. > So > > > > short > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since > two > > > > pairs > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishore garu, It is my personal opinion and not a reflection on any one system or person. Predicting birth or death is outside the purview of the incomplete person,the Man. All predictions are validated generally after the event.Hence even with best of intentions, they misfire.There are somany methods and formulae to predict longevity,why? only because somewhere along the line they did not give correct info. Accuracy of prediction depends on accuracy of input data,what are they? 1. Date of birth,guided by midnight or Sunrise time. 2. Time of birth.there are different theories on what constitutes correct birth time.Accuracy of the clock compounds the problem. 3. Place of birth The accuracy of latitude and longitudeof the place.Each panchang/software varies 4. The ayanamsa, there are so many each in conflict with the other. 5. Astrological knowledge of the predictor. 6. Emotional quotient of the predictor,good days/bad days.etc. 7. Accuracy of the software This list may be further expanded.. Hence with so many variables,despite all honesty in approach you may arrive at different figures. If you believe in interpolation of data, every person's longevity can be linked to the immediate relative like father/son wife/ husband etc.This in my opinion will narrow down the probability.Even then it will not be perfect.This was attempted by my own father way back in 1979. Best wishes for a continued attempt. Reagrds, Satish , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three > pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for > determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years > > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms > of > > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > > > RR > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of > lagna > > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > > method) > > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as > opposed > > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and > got > > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the > analysis , > > > how > > > > did > > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long > with > > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three > pairs > > > > method to > > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. > Why > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in my horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to Moon being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I also had the following from 2005: - change in job with a promotion - long voyage from USA to India for the job - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? Kindly send me your information to my email address at kishore_kv Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > but wanted you to say. > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > would work with you. > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > You should be convinced by now, > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa > and > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze > the > > divisional charts? > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > times. > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health > > was > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression > > and > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > for a good future. > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious > > study > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > > Getting a > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its > > > tools. > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said > I > > am > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > > finding > > > an > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > > section > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > > is in > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > > long > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > > is in > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. > So > > > > short > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > lagna > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since > two > > > > pairs > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishore, You are a difficult person to convince. No planet would give you a job,being placed in 9th, cause thats negation to the 10th which is house of profession. You got the job basically because Rahu is in Saturns sign, and Saturn is in 10th Cusp. which got actified as soon as Rahu antar got the power to act upon. See I will no more now try to explain further, because I cannot spend total time on this and you have to convince yourself, for me its no convincing needed, Your problem was understood in first instance itself. This is all kid stuff, and should be taken up for further checking by native itself, specially if he is a astrologer, like in your case. If You wish me to talk about longevity, then I will talk now as per my simple approach,which works for me. Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in my > horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to Moon > being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I also > had the following from 2005: > - change in job with a promotion > - long voyage from USA to India for the job > - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion > - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras > > Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to > communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? > Kindly send me your information to my email address at > kishore_kv > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > > but wanted you to say. > > > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > > would work with you. > > > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > > You should be convinced by now, > > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the > suitable > > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa > > and > > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa > trap > > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze > > the > > > divisional charts? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > > times. > > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. > Health > > > was > > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. > Depression > > > and > > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > > for a good future. > > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious > > > study > > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > > > Getting a > > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and > its > > > > tools. > > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya > said > > I > > > am > > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > > > finding > > > > an > > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > > > section > > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An > integrated > > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > Moon > > > is in > > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. > So > > > long > > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is > in > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > lagna > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > Moon > > > is in > > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > sign. > > So > > > > > short > > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is > in > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > lagna > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since > > two > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my > longevity. > > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with > history > > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did > this > > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why > two > > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, I was just wearing the shoes of a skeptic. I understand the value of Vedic astrology and the tools it provides such as dashas etc. As I told you, I am a still a student of this vast ocean of Jyotisha. Kindly let me know if you can do a thorough analysis of my horoscope for a charge, if you have astrology as your profession. I do not want run-of-the-mill astrologers who make statements without backing up with logic. That is the reason I would like to approach you for a professional consultation, based on the analysis and reasons you have given. If you do not want this, kindly comment on my longetivity according to your methods and if possible state the methods. Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > You are a difficult person to convince. > No planet would give you a job,being placed > in 9th, cause thats negation to the > 10th which is house of profession. > > You got the job basically because Rahu is > in Saturns sign, and Saturn is in 10th > Cusp. which got actified as soon as > Rahu antar got the power to act upon. > > See I will no more now try to explain further, > because I cannot spend total time on this and > you have to convince yourself, for me its > no convincing needed, Your problem was > understood in first instance itself. > This is all kid stuff, and should be > taken up for further checking by native > itself, specially if he is a astrologer, > like in your case. > > If You wish me to talk about longevity, > then I will talk now as per my simple > approach,which works for me. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in my > > horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to Moon > > being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I also > > had the following from 2005: > > - change in job with a promotion > > - long voyage from USA to India for the job > > - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion > > - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras > > > > Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to > > communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? > > Kindly send me your information to my email address at > > kishore_kv@ > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > > > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > > > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > > > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > > > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > > > > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > > > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > > > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > > > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > > > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > > > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > > > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > > > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > > > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > > > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > > > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > > > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > > > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > > > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > > > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > > > > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > > > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > > > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > > > but wanted you to say. > > > > > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > > > would work with you. > > > > > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > > > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > > > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > > > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > > > > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > > > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > > > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > > > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > > > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > > > > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > > > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > > > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > > > You should be convinced by now, > > > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > > > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > > > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > > > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > > > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > > > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > > > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > > > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the > > suitable > > > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > > > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri > ayanamsa > > > and > > > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa > > trap > > > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to > analyze > > > the > > > > divisional charts? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > > > times. > > > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. > > Health > > > > was > > > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. > > Depression > > > > and > > > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > > > for a good future. > > > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been > an > > > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a > serious > > > > study > > > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > > > > Getting a > > > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and > > its > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya > > said > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > > > > finding > > > > > an > > > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > > > > section > > > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An > > integrated > > > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > > Moon > > > > is in > > > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > sign. > > So > > > > long > > > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is > > in > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > > lagna > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > long > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > > Moon > > > > is in > > > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > sign. > > > So > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is > > in > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > > lagna > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > long > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, > since > > > two > > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my > > longevity. > > > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are > 30 > > > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with > > history > > > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did > > this > > > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why > > two > > > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person > check > > > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishoreji, I forgot to answer this- Yes I am a professional astrologer. (One has to do something for a living too). Little time I get for my own, I use it for selling my time to anyone who pays for it, so that economic stability is mantained. But if you wsh to pay then only come on my e mail id,otherwise,continue here only. My e mail id is rajiventerprises (AT) hathway (DOT) com and bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > You are a difficult person to convince. > No planet would give you a job,being placed > in 9th, cause thats negation to the > 10th which is house of profession. > > You got the job basically because Rahu is > in Saturns sign, and Saturn is in 10th > Cusp. which got actified as soon as > Rahu antar got the power to act upon. > > See I will no more now try to explain further, > because I cannot spend total time on this and > you have to convince yourself, for me its > no convincing needed, Your problem was > understood in first instance itself. > This is all kid stuff, and should be > taken up for further checking by native > itself, specially if he is a astrologer, > like in your case. > > If You wish me to talk about longevity, > then I will talk now as per my simple > approach,which works for me. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in my > > horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to Moon > > being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I also > > had the following from 2005: > > - change in job with a promotion > > - long voyage from USA to India for the job > > - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion > > - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras > > > > Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to > > communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? > > Kindly send me your information to my email address at > > kishore_kv@ > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > > > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > > > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > > > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > > > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > > > > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > > > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > > > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > > > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > > > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > > > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > > > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > > > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > > > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > > > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > > > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > > > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > > > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > > > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > > > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > > > > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > > > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > > > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > > > but wanted you to say. > > > > > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > > > would work with you. > > > > > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > > > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > > > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > > > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > > > > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > > > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > > > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > > > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > > > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > > > > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > > > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > > > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > > > You should be convinced by now, > > > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > > > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > > > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > > > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > > > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > > > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > > > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > > > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the > > suitable > > > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > > > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri > ayanamsa > > > and > > > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa > > trap > > > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to > analyze > > > the > > > > divisional charts? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > > > times. > > > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. > > Health > > > > was > > > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. > > Depression > > > > and > > > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > > > for a good future. > > > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been > an > > > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a > serious > > > > study > > > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > > > > Getting a > > > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and > > its > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya > > said > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > > > > finding > > > > > an > > > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > > > > section > > > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An > > integrated > > > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > > Moon > > > > is in > > > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > sign. > > So > > > > long > > > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is > > in > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > > lagna > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > long > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. > > Moon > > > > is in > > > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > sign. > > > So > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is > > in > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > > > > lagna > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > long > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, > since > > > two > > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my > > longevity. > > > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are > 30 > > > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with > > history > > > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did > > this > > > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why > > two > > > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person > check > > > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishore, Please note that even if one sits continously for a years time with a single chart and studies it, to the best of his ability, yet he would not be able to do a thorough analysis of that chart.Its just not possible. Any analysis has to be short of complete, or incomplete in other words so to say. I never venture for such reports nor do I ever attempt a full life analysis presentation. That is actually fooling people.But I would refrain from commenting any further on that. Its much better to go problem by problem as and when it comes. Please allow time till evening for longevity results. Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I was just wearing the shoes of a skeptic. I understand the value of > Vedic astrology and the tools it provides such as dashas etc. As I > told you, I am a still a student of this vast ocean of Jyotisha. > Kindly let me know if you can do a thorough analysis of my horoscope > for a charge, if you have astrology as your profession. I do not > want run-of-the-mill astrologers who make statements without backing > up with logic. That is the reason I would like to approach you for a > professional consultation, based on the analysis and reasons you > have given. If you do not want this, kindly comment on my > longetivity according to your methods and if possible state the > methods. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > You are a difficult person to convince. > > No planet would give you a job,being placed > > in 9th, cause thats negation to the > > 10th which is house of profession. > > > > You got the job basically because Rahu is > > in Saturns sign, and Saturn is in 10th > > Cusp. which got actified as soon as > > Rahu antar got the power to act upon. > > > > See I will no more now try to explain further, > > because I cannot spend total time on this and > > you have to convince yourself, for me its > > no convincing needed, Your problem was > > understood in first instance itself. > > This is all kid stuff, and should be > > taken up for further checking by native > > itself, specially if he is a astrologer, > > like in your case. > > > > If You wish me to talk about longevity, > > then I will talk now as per my simple > > approach,which works for me. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in > my > > > horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to > Moon > > > being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I > also > > > had the following from 2005: > > > - change in job with a promotion > > > - long voyage from USA to India for the job > > > - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion > > > - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras > > > > > > Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to > > > communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? > > > Kindly send me your information to my email address at > > > kishore_kv@ > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > > > > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > > > > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > > > > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > > > > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > > > > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > > > > > > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > > > > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > > > > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > > > > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > > > > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > > > > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > > > > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > > > > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > > > > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > > > > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > > > > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > > > > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > > > > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > > > > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > > > > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > > > > > > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > > > > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > > > > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > > > > but wanted you to say. > > > > > > > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > > > > would work with you. > > > > > > > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > > > > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > > > > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > > > > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > > > > > > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > > > > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > > > > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > > > > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > > > > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > > > > > > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > > > > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > > > > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > > > > You should be convinced by now, > > > > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > > > > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > > > > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > > > > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > > > > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > > > > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned > about > > > > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we > should > > > > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the > > > suitable > > > > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When > you > > > > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > > > > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri > > ayanamsa > > > > and > > > > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa > > > trap > > > > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > > > > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > > > > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to > > analyze > > > > the > > > > > divisional charts? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > > > > times. > > > > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. > > > Health > > > > > was > > > > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. > > > Depression > > > > > and > > > > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > > > > for a good future. > > > > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has > been > > an > > > > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a > > serious > > > > > study > > > > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were > undertaken. > > > > > Getting a > > > > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology > and > > > its > > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As > Ramapriya > > > said > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance > of > > > > > finding > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given > in > > > > > section > > > > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An > > > integrated > > > > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is > saturn. > > > Moon > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > sign. > > > So > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn > is > > > in > > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and > Hora > > > > > lagna > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > > long > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is > saturn. > > > Moon > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > > sign. > > > > So > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn > is > > > in > > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and > Hora > > > > > lagna > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > > long > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, > > since > > > > two > > > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next > were > > > > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my > > > longevity. > > > > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference > between > > > > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your > views. > > > > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > > > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who > are > > 30 > > > > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the > family > > > > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to > ovarian > > > > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death > by > > > > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non- escape > is > > > > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough > to > > > > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller > who > > > > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the > frightened > > > > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not > good > > > > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity > rules > > > > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules > stand > > > > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I > did > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered > why > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES > one do > > > > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting > answers? > > > > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person > > check > > > > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 On 2/13/07, kishore_kv <kishore_kv > wrote: > > > I was just wearing the shoes of a skeptic. > Power be with you too, Sri Kishore. Be a reasonable, open-minded skeptic. If you can't then be either convinced or won over, there is without question a problem. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishoreji, Please give me time till Thursday-Friday. My wife is leaving out of station tomorrow. Have to arrange funds to send alongwith for her expenses on the visit. Then being in Mutual Funds business ,one Fund TATA SIP NFO is closing on the 15th, so have to collect as many cheques as possibble from willing clients,to deposit before the 15th, then shall get back to your query which needs proper study and not just a normal leisurely posting . regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > Please note that even if one sits continously > for a years time with a single chart and studies it, > to the best of his ability, yet he would not be able to > do a thorough analysis of that chart.Its just not > possible. Any analysis has to be short of complete, > or incomplete in other words so to say. > I never venture for such reports nor do I ever > attempt a full life analysis presentation. > That is actually fooling people.But I would refrain > from commenting any further on that. > Its much better to go problem by problem as and > when it comes. > > Please allow time till evening for longevity > results. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > I was just wearing the shoes of a skeptic. I understand the value > of > > Vedic astrology and the tools it provides such as dashas etc. As I > > told you, I am a still a student of this vast ocean of Jyotisha. > > Kindly let me know if you can do a thorough analysis of my > horoscope > > for a charge, if you have astrology as your profession. I do not > > want run-of-the-mill astrologers who make statements without > backing > > up with logic. That is the reason I would like to approach you for > a > > professional consultation, based on the analysis and reasons you > > have given. If you do not want this, kindly comment on my > > longetivity according to your methods and if possible state the > > methods. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > You are a difficult person to convince. > > > No planet would give you a job,being placed > > > in 9th, cause thats negation to the > > > 10th which is house of profession. > > > > > > You got the job basically because Rahu is > > > in Saturns sign, and Saturn is in 10th > > > Cusp. which got actified as soon as > > > Rahu antar got the power to act upon. > > > > > > See I will no more now try to explain further, > > > because I cannot spend total time on this and > > > you have to convince yourself, for me its > > > no convincing needed, Your problem was > > > understood in first instance itself. > > > This is all kid stuff, and should be > > > taken up for further checking by native > > > itself, specially if he is a astrologer, > > > like in your case. > > > > > > If You wish me to talk about longevity, > > > then I will talk now as per my simple > > > approach,which works for me. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your excellent analysis. One strange thing in > > my > > > > horoscope is that I am seeing some results which happen due to > > Moon > > > > being in 9th house of Pisces (according to Raman's ayanmsa). I > > also > > > > had the following from 2005: > > > > - change in job with a promotion > > > > - long voyage from USA to India for the job > > > > - there is a definite elevation of status due to promotion > > > > - after coming to India we undertook theertha yatras > > > > > > > > Can I also have your personal email address which I can use to > > > > communicate to you and also are you a professional astrologer? > > > > Kindly send me your information to my email address at > > > > kishore_kv@ > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > > > > > > > You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like > > > > > and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the > > > > > most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. > > > > > I personally use KP. I have checked results with all > > > > > 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. > > > > > > > > > > If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces > > > > > which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. > > > > > Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of > > > > > Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of > > > > > status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give > > > > > you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you > > > > > a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or > > > > > such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition > > > > > in some research work or higher studies ? None of above > > > > > happened with you. If 9th house was working, > > > > > which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) > > > > > then how come did you get a job ? Also check the > > > > > ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of > > > > > 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points > > > > > which is the SAV of acquarius. > > > > > > > > > > When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get > > > > > Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with > > > > > the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew > > > > > but wanted you to say. > > > > > > > > > > Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha > > > > > would work with you. > > > > > > > > > > In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls > > > > > in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th > > > > > house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case > > > > > that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. > > > > > > > > > > If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get > > > > > long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use > > > > > that and it works with me, then the thinking is > > > > > wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, > > > > > we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. > > > > > > > > > > What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas > > > > > and work studies, when the result is crystal clear > > > > > in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. > > > > > You should be convinced by now, > > > > > if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail > > > > > of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint > > > > > from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to > > > > > Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes > > > > > to check certain cases, but in your case it would be > > > > > a futile attempt to continue working with it. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned > > about > > > > > > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we > > should > > > > > > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the > > > > suitable > > > > > > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When > > you > > > > > > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do > the > > > > > > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri > > > ayanamsa > > > > > and > > > > > > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the > ayanamsa > > > > trap > > > > > > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is > more > > > > > > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take > both > > > > > > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to > > > analyze > > > > > the > > > > > > divisional charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > > > > > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > > > > > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > > > > > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > > > > > > the results of 8th house are much > > > > > > > co-relating to your present existtence > > > > > > > and not the results of 9th house. > > > > > > > so I need not explain much to you. > > > > > > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > > > > > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > > > > > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > > > > > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > > > > > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > > > > > > matches perfectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > > > > > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please confirm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > > > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > > > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > > > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > > > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > > > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > > > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > > > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > > > > > > times. > > > > > > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. > > > > Health > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. > > > > Depression > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > > > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > > > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > > > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > > > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > > > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > > > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > > > > > > for a good future. > > > > > > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has > > been > > > an > > > > > > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a > > > serious > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were > > undertaken. > > > > > > Getting a > > > > > > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology > > and > > > > its > > > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As > > Ramapriya > > > > said > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > > > > > > dispassionately. > > > > > > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance > > of > > > > > > finding > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given > > in > > > > > > section > > > > > > > > 14.4 > > > > > > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is > > saturn. > > > > Moon > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > > sign. > > > > So > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and > > Hora > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > > > long > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is > > saturn. > > > > Moon > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed > > > > sign. > > > > > So > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. > Saturn > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > > taurus, a > > > > > > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and > > Hora > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a > > > long > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, > > > since > > > > > two > > > > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next > > were > > > > > > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my > > > > longevity. > > > > > > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference > > between > > > > > > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your > > views. > > > > > > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > > > > > > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who > > are > > > 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or > many > > > > > > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to > > ovarian > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped > death > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non- > escape > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the > > frightened > > > > > > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity > > rules > > > > > > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I > > did > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered > > why > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES > > one do > > > > > > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting > > answers? > > > > > > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 cannot agree.Really competent Astrologers (Rare) could assess longevity with a fair degree of accuracy , and upto month could easily be predicted. Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: None that are correct all the time or even most of the times! Sorry! , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three > pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for > determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years > > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms > of > > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > > > RR > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of > lagna > > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > > method) > > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as > opposed > > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and > got > > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the > analysis , > > > how > > > > did > > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long > with > > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three > pairs > > > > method to > > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. > Why > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 More power to them, in that case! I have not seen any like that and I don't believe in rumours, hearsay and promotional claims by interested parties and chela chapatis! You are welcome to share your experiences in more details ...! RR , kid kid <astrokkid wrote: > > cannot agree.Really competent Astrologers (Rare) could assess longevity with a fair degree of accuracy , and upto month could easily be predicted. > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > None that are correct all the time or even most of the times! > > Sorry! > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > > > Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three > > pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used > for > > determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 > years > > > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms > > of > > > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of > > lagna > > > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > > > method) > > > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as > > opposed > > > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and > > got > > > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the > > analysis , > > > > how > > > > > did > > > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long > > with > > > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three > > pairs > > > > > method to > > > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. > > Why > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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