Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear sirs, I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? My birth details are: 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. Awaiting your reply, Kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear sirs, > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches from a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the Raman ayanamsa. Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the madhyayu (middle longevity). Cheers, Ramapriya PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how did you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with another ? And put this analysis in detail. Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear sirs, > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > My birth details are: > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > Awaiting your reply, > Kishore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Rampriyaji, Kyon itni mehnat karte ho Bhai ? Why are you working so hard by making 2 charts and then checking ? He has posted this enquiry on other Forums too, and he just wants to know his longevity. is scared thatswhy. Why should a 30 year old person be asking about his longevity I cant understand . People who have been suffering from AIDs or such diseases which are terminal have to worry. Not normal people at that age. A real astrologer would have put his analysis before you and then talked. Which is what I have asked this gentleman in Jyotish remedies Group. regards, Bhaskar. , "Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches from > a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the Raman > ayanamsa. > > Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both > balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which > extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the > madhyayu (middle longevity). > > Cheers, > Ramapriya > > PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 are worried about longevity, it has to do with history of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many women in the family have died early due to ovarian cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by car accident many times and believe a non-escape is imminent. Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who predicted an early death (I've heard about their predicting every kind of horror and the frightened subject lives their life believing in the feared fate). OR it is possible (or not) that this person is interested in learning astrology and is testing different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules against everyone they know to see if the rules stand up. When I first started learning astrology I did this myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two different systems gave me different results. So there can be lots of reasons. Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do when two different systems give conflicting answers? What other tests of longevity could this person check in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would benefit more than this one person who is asking. Dear Ramapriya, (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) Best of wishes to you both! Mary Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Mary, Yes you are right by every word of your mail. My first books on astrology were basic, and next were on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. and now I dont care............. But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the reasons exactly why he is facing difference between both rather than other astrologers telling him so. Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, till his astrological reply comes forth. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > imminent. > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > subject lives their life believing in the feared > fate). > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > interested in learning astrology and is testing > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > different systems gave me different results. > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > What other tests of longevity could this person check > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > Dear Ramapriya, > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > Best of wishes to you both! > Mary > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Bhaskar ji, One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. RR , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how did > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > another ? > > And put this analysis in detail. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > My birth details are: > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > Kishore > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Inshore I just recently put this method to the test and found it didn't work at all, so I wouldn't worry if I were you. margaret - kishore_kv Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:03 PM Longetivity Dear sirs, I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? My birth details are: 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. Awaiting your reply, Kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 The problem is caused by the ascendant lord Moon being in Aquarius as per Lahiri ayanamsa and in Pisces as per Raman. , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > RR > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how > did > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > > another ? > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs > method to > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is > the > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > Kishore > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Sir, You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of lagna as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs method) got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as opposed to Lahiri ayanamsa. Thanks, Kishore , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > RR > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how > did > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > > another ? > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs > method to > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is > the > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > Kishore > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4 (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology" An integrated approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). Here is the analysis: With Raman Ayanamsa: 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long life is indicated for common+fixed combination. 2. Moon and Saturn In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. 3. Lagna and Hora lagna In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. >From the above three, a long life is indicated. With Lahiri ayanamsa: 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. 2. Moon and Saturn In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. 3. Lagna and Hora lagna In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs indicate short life. Kindly advice on what I should do? Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how did > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > another ? > > And put this analysis in detail. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > My birth details are: > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > Kishore > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools. First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis dispassionately. I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an answer to this problem. Here are the atrological analysis details: I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4 (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). Here is the analysis: With Raman Ayanamsa: 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long life is indicated for common+fixed combination. 2. Moon and Saturn In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. 3. Lagna and Hora lagna In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. >From the above three, a long life is indicated. With Lahiri ayanamsa: 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. 2. Moon and Saturn In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. 3. Lagna and Hora lagna In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs indicate short life. Kindly comment on this. Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mary, > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > and now I dont care............. > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > imminent. > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > fate). > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > Mary > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > ______________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. > Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms of ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! RR , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of lagna > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs method) > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as opposed > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > RR > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , > how > > did > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > > > another ? > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs > > method to > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why > is > > the > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Ramapriyaji, Thanks for your response. I am very interested in Vedic astrology and its tools. I have been interested in astrology in general from the time when a nadi astrologer took my thumb print and gave details like name, wife's name, father and mothers' name etc. I had been blown away by that. Past had been perfectly told by him, but future had been different. Nothing happened that which he predicted in the future. As I said I am a student of astrology. I wanted to know how this addle could be resolved. Luckily it happened in the very first horoscope I took (mine). So I got a great opportunity to know things like if method of three pairs is a tie, what are the other methods of finding longetivity more accurately. Any educated advice is welcome on this. Regards, Kishore , "Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches from > a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the Raman > ayanamsa. > > Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both > balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which > extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the > madhyayu (middle longevity). > > Cheers, > Ramapriya > > PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear RR, Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. Thanks, Kishore , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms of > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > RR > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of lagna > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > method) > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as opposed > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , > > how > > > did > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs > > > method to > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > Lahiri > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why > > is > > > the > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 On 2/11/07, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn > wrote: > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > imminent. Dear Mary, I've more than once gotten my my balance years totaled up Shortly after arriving in Dubai 4 years ago, our company got this bright notion of doing business in Afghanistan and the brighter notion still of posting me there. Not unnaturally, I wanted to know whether my death would be by quartering or impaling. Just as my astro pal in Hyderabad said I'd live to write this to you now, wiser counsel prevailed and the company sent me to Sudan instead to dodge landmines, scorpions and vipers for a year. I survived with nary a scratch Oh and interestingly, shortly after getting into the astro stream of things, I recall a series of Sunday learning sessions at Bangalore, with a 'guru' to guide us. In one of the sessions, we discussed longevity. For some effing reason, the 'guru' took up my chart and remarked that the prognosis beyond the immediate future wasn't bright. Watching a wife readying for widowhood and a 3-yr old thrilled at debuting in a funeral was ineffable (5 years on, he still asks!). This longevity matter isn't as easy or simplistic as made out in some astro books. One bet you can never lose, however, is telling someone that he/she won't die before <insert date> Sorry for being prolix, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Mary, As you aptly said, my main interest is to do permutations and combinations and see how different "rules" hold up. Somehow the very first horoscope I took up (mine) put me in this quandary. Thanks & Regards, Kishore , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > imminent. > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > subject lives their life believing in the feared > fate). > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > interested in learning astrology and is testing > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > different systems gave me different results. > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > What other tests of longevity could this person check > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > Dear Ramapriya, > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > Best of wishes to you both! > Mary > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 On 2/12/07, kishore_kv <kishore_kv > wrote: > > Dear Mary, > > As you aptly said, my main interest is to do permutations and > combinations and see how different "rules" hold up. Somehow the very > first horoscope I took up (mine) put me in this quandary. Dear Sri Kishore, One thing I found myself doing, when the astro bug first bit me, was trying to apply everything I read and/or understood to my own chart, followed by my neighbor's wife's. It didn't take long to realize that being too attached to a subject can cloud much-needed objectivity. Regards, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Kishore, Normally, the simple Pindayaur method, amshaayur method for longevity are not enough. Even few combinations of planets, say 6th lord in 6th house etc also helps to increase the longevity when the Pinda method gives only 10 years... I would suggest not to focus on Longevity....as calculation of Longevity is like a hard nut to crack!! Thanq Gaurav , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three > pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for > determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years > > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms > of > > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > > > RR > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of > lagna > > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > > method) > > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as > opposed > > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and > got > > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the > analysis , > > > how > > > > did > > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long > with > > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three > pairs > > > > method to > > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. > Why > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Kishoreji, I was like you at your age with nobody to guide me for my fears, but my own books and studies. I would like to help you if I can and may. First let me know if you have felt any of the undermentioned results since last 2 years(from 2004 ending and 2005 starting) and if yes then which one.Am trying to check some matters. a) New job ,strained relations with spouse (If married),health taken a beating severely,any sort of save from some accident, any hospital visits for ownself, any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere since this date and continuing till today . Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain times. b)Any sort of properties received from father or good ancestral property is there for you to look upon. Any type of interest developed since last 2 years for any type of serious study. Long religious journey undertaken. Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in last two years or great promises witnessed for a good future. Please reply, so that I can persue further on this matter. I request thereaders not to enter this thread till few conversations are completed between me and Mr.Kishore and we arrive at some consensus. cause I do not wish him to be influenced but would require a one to one dialouge on this with him. regards, Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools. > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis dispassionately. > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an > answer to this problem. > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4 > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > Here is the analysis: > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > 2. Moon and Saturn > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > 2. Moon and Saturn > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs > indicate short life. > > Kindly comment on this. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > and now I dont care............. > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > imminent. > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > fate). > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _ > > ______________ > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.. > > Try it now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 None that are correct all the time or even most of the times! Sorry! , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three > pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for > determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years > > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms > of > > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique! > > > > RR > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of > lagna > > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs > > method) > > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as > opposed > > > to Lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and > got > > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the > analysis , > > > how > > > > did > > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long > with > > > > > another ? > > > > > > > > > > And put this analysis in detail. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > > > <kishore_kv@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three > pairs > > > > method to > > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. > Why > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different? > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, Please find below answers to your questions. Thanks, Kishore > a) New job ,strained relations with > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > any hospital visits for ownself, > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > since this date and continuing till today . > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > times. I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health was inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression and suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > or good ancestral property is there for you to > look upon. Any type of interest developed > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > Long religious journey undertaken. > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > last two years or great promises witnessed > for a good future. No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious study of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. Getting a good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools. > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis dispassionately. > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an > > answer to this problem. > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4 > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs > > indicate short life. > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > and now I dont care............. > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > _ > > > ______________ > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > www.Answers.. > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Dear kishoreji, So that confirms where your Moon should be. It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. Because acquarius is in 8th house and Pisces is in 9th. the results of 8th house are much co-relating to your present existtence and not the results of 9th house. so I need not explain much to you. Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house in effects as confirmed by You. Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha matches perfectly. If You are convinced about above, then we move to finding out about longevity. Please confirm. Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > since this date and continuing till today . > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > times. > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health was > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression and > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > for a good future. > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious study > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. Getting a > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools. > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > dispassionately. > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section > 14.4 > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in > taurus, a > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is > in > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > short > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in > taurus, a > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is > in > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two > pairs > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > _ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Any questions? 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa and compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze the divisional charts? Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear kishoreji, > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > Because acquarius is in 8th house > and Pisces is in 9th. > the results of 8th house are much > co-relating to your present existtence > and not the results of 9th house. > so I need not explain much to you. > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > in effects as confirmed by You. > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > matches perfectly. > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > to finding out about longevity. > > Please confirm. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > times. > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health was > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression and > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > for a good future. > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious study > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. Getting a > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its > tools. > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > dispassionately. > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding > an > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section > > 14.4 > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in > > taurus, a > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna > is > > in > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > > short > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in > > taurus, a > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna > is > > in > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life. > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two > > pairs > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > _ > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Any questions? 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Kishoreji, You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers. I personally use KP. I have checked results with all 3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail. If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces. Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition in some research work or higher studies ? None of above happened with you. If 9th house was working, which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th) then how come did you get a job ? Also check the ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of 32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points which is the SAV of acquarius. When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew but wanted you to say. Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha would work with you. In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris. If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use that and it works with me, then the thinking is wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem, we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry. What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas and work studies, when the result is crystal clear in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case. You should be convinced by now, if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes to check certain cases, but in your case it would be a futile attempt to continue working with it. regards, Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about > pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should > compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable > result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you > said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the > longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa and > compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap > and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more > accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both > ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze the > divisional charts? > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear kishoreji, > > > > So that confirms where your Moon should be. > > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces. > > Because acquarius is in 8th house > > and Pisces is in 9th. > > the results of 8th house are much > > co-relating to your present existtence > > and not the results of 9th house. > > so I need not explain much to you. > > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra > > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which > > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house > > in effects as confirmed by You. > > > > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not > > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha > > matches perfectly. > > > > If You are convinced about above, then we move > > to finding out about longevity. > > > > Please confirm. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > Please find below answers to your questions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > a) New job ,strained relations with > > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating > > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident, > > > > any hospital visits for ownself, > > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone, > > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere > > > > since this date and continuing till today . > > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain > > > > times. > > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health > was > > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression > and > > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father > > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to > > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed > > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study. > > > > Long religious journey undertaken. > > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in > > > > last two years or great promises witnessed > > > > for a good future. > > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an > > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious > study > > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. > Getting a > > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its > > tools. > > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I > am > > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis > > > dispassionately. > > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of > finding > > an > > > > > answer to this problem. > > > > > > > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details: > > > > > > > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in > section > > > 14.4 > > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated > > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint). > > > > > > > > > > Here is the analysis: > > > > > > > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa: > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > is in > > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > long > > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in > > > taurus, a > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > lagna > > is > > > in > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > life. > > > > > > > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated. > > > > > > > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa: > > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord > > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon > is in > > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So > > > short > > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn > > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in > > > taurus, a > > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna > > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora > lagna > > is > > > in > > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long > life. > > > > > > > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two > > > pairs > > > > > indicate short life. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mary, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail. > > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were > > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity. > > > > > > and now I dont care............. > > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the > > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between > > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views. > > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity, > > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mary Quinn > <mary1quinn@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30 > > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history > > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family > > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many > > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian > > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by > > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is > > > > > > > imminent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to > > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who > > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their > > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened > > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared > > > > > > > fate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is > > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing > > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good > > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules > > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand > > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this > > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in > > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two > > > > > > > different systems gave me different results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do > > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers? > > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check > > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would > > > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of wishes to you both! > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > _ > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > > > > www.Answers.. > > > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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