Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 OM NAMAH SIVAYA maybe, what in your mind is cowardice/apathy/lack of care seems so because your are trying to rationalize/intellectualize an ideal that the Saints/Sages who came before us didn't hold in their minds at all, but in their hearts. they were brave to the point of being willing to end this life for the sake of upholding the ideal. this is definitely beyond logic. Devotion and Love of God is not only beyond logic but can be destroyed by logic. Love is the language of the heart not mind. the Great Ones of any of our worlds Religions/Traditions have taught spirituality not religion. The Truth is the battle is internal not external. we should be encouraging people to be assertive in knowing their own Self. external battles are never won because we can't control the diversity of Nature, and so we will always have to fight again. but the sages armed with the power of perception, have taught the internal battle to know your Self is the only one worth fighting because when we win that there is no more war. to encourage people to be assertive in protecting there heritage, culture, family, religion, etc. in Truth is to be an example of the understanding that all is One. One God. One Truth. One Love. and there is only One race, Human. JAI MA , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: > > Namaskaar > > I see, why don't you give all of your belongs, your job, your land, your house, your wife and all other belongs to others ? It all belongs to God and after you pass it will belong to someone else so why do you have to have these to start with? You have no need of wealth of food or of anything else too, it all belongs to God what right do you have to any of these ?. > > What right we have to criticise other people's actions/deeds and stand there accusing them? > > My dear learned friend, we should Never go for narrowing our mind even in thoughts. It only leaves us in unhappy and self-loathing. Find peace in the lord in urself. Excuse me, if I found to be offhand/rude. > > I wish and pray, the group owner, should be careful about posting these types of controversies. They give the members nothing but a sheer anger and thoughtless wandering. > > So what ? Lord Shiva from time to time gets a little annoyed, remember Ananga ? > You are expressing your (apathy/cowardice/lack of care - I'm not sure which ? ) > Remaining focused on God does not mean that you have to allow others to take > your possessions or exercise their will and power over you. > > I AM ENCOURAGING Hindus to get up and be assertive in protecting their > Culture, heritage, Family and possessions as these are all under attack and > will be taken away by others if they are not careful. Religion has to be practical, > in case you haven't noticed - these days when people go begging for alms in > most cases they are turned away ! > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards > Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > sumi balu <mymy062004 wrote: > Sarvam Sivam, > > Dear friend subramani, > > Don't be so very angry and loose ur temper. Nothing we, the holy blessed devotees of our father could loose. A small piece of land never holds the un measurable holyness. > > HE, the lord of lords is within all of us, all beings and things in this world are his abode. What right we have to criticise other people's actions/deeds and stand there accusing them? > > My dear learned friend, we should Never go for narrowing our mind even in thoughts. It only leaves us in unhappy and self-loathing. Find peace in the lord in urself. Excuse me, if I found to be offhand/rude. > > I wish and pray, the group owner, should be careful about posting these types of controversies. They give the members nothing but a sheer anger and thoughtless wandering. > > Sivaya namaha, > > Punith Balu > > "P. Subramani" <subramani6912 wrote: > > Definitely, we Indians must seize the holiest place from the Chinese. That stupid and fool Nehru didn't help Tibet when required and so the Chinese occupied. another thing is that the Indian govt doesn't give subsidies to the Hindus to visit Mount Kailash, our holiest place, whereas, because of the vote bank politics, Muslims are given 80 percent subsidy to perform the useless and futile Haj Yatra even the economically well-off Muslims do get the benefit. Some of our group members are so unattached to our religion, that they simply watch the happenings of destruction on Hindus and just keep silent. No god will ever come and save us. We have to save ourselves. Dharmo Rakshathey, Rakshita sorry for the spelling errors. It was said that Jesus had come to india and made penance. Which books/texts speaks about this fact? I have heard that Jesus was in india for ten years and he was a follower of Buddha. > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Namaskaar maybe, what in your mind is cowardice/apathy/lack of care seems so because your are trying to rationalize/intellectualize an ideal that the Saints/Sages who came before us didn't hold in their minds at all, ________________ I am neither a coward nor do I lack care. I was chosen my Ma and Lord Shiva for a single purpose ( I have been for many life times a Warrior, Wizard, Priest) what I see arising in my mind when I meditate, is so much death that I have delivered to cowards that it makes me ill. It is only through intense penance that I became a Brahmin in this life. I am also smart enough to know that religion and spirituality both are subject to change. Even the laws of the universe are subject to change ! When I see imminent destruction to people that are practicing dogmatically without understanding what is going on or without wisdom, I am impelled to do what I can to correct those that would like to listen. Anyone is free to accept or reject what I teach. I however act on instructions I receive, what ever the outcome is my burden to bear. For your general information, it is only the most terrible of beings that are selected for the worship of Siva and Sakti, neither of whom are cowards or weaklings. As when you come into contact with the spirit one on one - this is what separates the men from the boys, so to speak ! What has happened is that there has been a watering down of the original teaching to make it more palatable to all and sundry and in the course of doing this alien ideas have also been imported into Shaivism. Lord Siva is hailed as MahaGhore - which is Terror on to Terror, i.e. the most terrible beings fear him. I don't think he could be a coward or weakling if this was the case, do you ? In certain stotras - Lord Shiva bears weapons in every arm Shaantam Padmaasanastham Shashadharamakutam Panchavaktram Trinetram Shulam Vajra Cha Khadgam Parashumabhadam Dakshabhaage Vahantam Naagam Paasham Cha Ghantaam Damarukasahitaam Sangkushaam Vaamabhaage Naanaalankaraaradiiptam Sphutikamani Nibham Paarvatiisham Namaami I prostrate myself before the Lord of Paarvati, who is peaceful who is seated in the Lotus posture, whose crown is adorned with the moon. Who has a broad face, who has three eyes, who holds trident, thunderbolt, sword and the fearlessness giving axe on the right side. Who holds the serpent, noose, bell, Damaru and spear on the left side, who shines with various ornaments, and who is luminous like the crystal. Why would one want to pray for fearlessness if one is ready to give everything over to others without a fight ? The fact that invaders can be bold enough to loot India of its land and treasures while natives of India foolishly sit idly by under the illusion that they are practicing either religion or spirituality is enough to cause disgust and anger. So what if a Saint didn't hold these ideas, don't forget that many of them were neatly tucked away in an ashram away from the world. Even the world that existed then, was a lot like it is today -war has always existed over economics it is driven by one thing = GREED. Nowhere does God tell anyone that one should allow others to take what is rightfully theirs, this is the teaching of people who were disconnected from the harsh realities of everyday life and sought to justify it. Dispassion and renunciation of the world is good for a practicing Yogi not for a Bhogi (enjoyer). If one wants to truly renounce the world then one has NO PLACE in it, until then do your part to protect and maintain what God provided to you ! As when you renounce, you should also not beg of others to maintain yourself, it defeats the purpose of renunciation. *** in Truth is to be an example of the understanding that all is One. One God. One Truth. One Love. and there is only One race, Human. This is really astounding, although I have personally experienced this Oneness in meditation. I am left to wonder why the One is always trying to take away Land and wealth from itself while destroying the culture and heritage of another part of itself ? Namah Sivaya Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYA maybe, what in your mind is cowardice/apathy/lack of care seems so because your are trying to rationalize/intellectualize an ideal that the Saints/Sages who came before us didn't hold in their minds at all, but in their hearts. they were brave to the point of being willing to end this life for the sake of upholding the ideal. this is definitely beyond logic. Devotion and Love of God is not only beyond logic but can be destroyed by logic. Love is the language of the heart not mind. the Great Ones of any of our worlds Religions/Traditions have taught spirituality not religion. The Truth is the battle is internal not external. we should be encouraging people to be assertive in knowing their own Self. external battles are never won because we can't control the diversity of Nature, and so we will always have to fight again. but the sages armed with the power of perception, have taught the internal battle to know your Self is the only one worth fighting because when we win that there is no more war. to encourage people to be assertive in protecting there heritage, culture, family, religion, etc. in Truth is to be an example of the understanding that all is One. One God. One Truth. One Love. and there is only One race, Human. JAI MA , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: > > Namaskaar > > I see, why don't you give all of your belongs, your job, your land, your house, your wife and all other belongs to others ? It all belongs to God and after you pass it will belong to someone else so why do you have to have these to start with? You have no need of wealth of food or of anything else too, it all belongs to God what right do you have to any of these ?. > > What right we have to criticise other people's actions/deeds and stand there accusing them? > > My dear learned friend, we should Never go for narrowing our mind even in thoughts. It only leaves us in unhappy and self-loathing. Find peace in the lord in urself. Excuse me, if I found to be offhand/rude. > > I wish and pray, the group owner, should be careful about posting these types of controversies. They give the members nothing but a sheer anger and thoughtless wandering. > > So what ? Lord Shiva from time to time gets a little annoyed, remember Ananga ? > You are expressing your (apathy/cowardice/lack of care - I'm not sure which ? ) > Remaining focused on God does not mean that you have to allow others to take > your possessions or exercise their will and power over you. > > I AM ENCOURAGING Hindus to get up and be assertive in protecting their > Culture, heritage, Family and possessions as these are all under attack and > will be taken away by others if they are not careful. Religion has to be practical, > in case you haven't noticed - these days when people go begging for alms in > most cases they are turned away ! > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards > Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > sumi balu <mymy062004 wrote: > Sarvam Sivam, > > Dear friend subramani, > > Don't be so very angry and loose ur temper. Nothing we, the holy blessed devotees of our father could loose. A small piece of land never holds the un measurable holyness. > > HE, the lord of lords is within all of us, all beings and things in this world are his abode. What right we have to criticise other people's actions/deeds and stand there accusing them? > > My dear learned friend, we should Never go for narrowing our mind even in thoughts. It only leaves us in unhappy and self-loathing. Find peace in the lord in urself. Excuse me, if I found to be offhand/rude. > > I wish and pray, the group owner, should be careful about posting these types of controversies. They give the members nothing but a sheer anger and thoughtless wandering. > > Sivaya namaha, > > Punith Balu > > "P. Subramani" <subramani6912 wrote: > > Definitely, we Indians must seize the holiest place from the Chinese. That stupid and fool Nehru didn't help Tibet when required and so the Chinese occupied. another thing is that the Indian govt doesn't give subsidies to the Hindus to visit Mount Kailash, our holiest place, whereas, because of the vote bank politics, Muslims are given 80 percent subsidy to perform the useless and futile Haj Yatra even the economically well-off Muslims do get the benefit. Some of our group members are so unattached to our religion, that they simply watch the happenings of destruction on Hindus and just keep silent. No god will ever come and save us. We have to save ourselves. Dharmo Rakshathey, Rakshita sorry for the spelling errors. It was said that Jesus had come to india and made penance. Which books/texts speaks about this fact? I have heard that Jesus was in india for ten years and he was a follower of Buddha. > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Respected Pandit Devendra Maharaj ji - Pranams. People invite various opinions on a topic of which they themselves do not have respectful approach - could be lack of faith - cant spare time to know sastra - trying to view with naked eye Truth beyond normal vision & understanding - in the process, end up in arguement and personal attacks - - - these are all kali yuga dharma. Neverthless, you have shared a very valuable information for the benefit of those who like & value it - ohers can leave it - why rush to show ignorance ? Regards to all ... M.B.PrasadaRao, Vizag. --- Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote: > Namaskaar > > maybe, what in your mind is cowardice/apathy/lack > of care seems so > because your are trying to > rationalize/intellectualize an ideal that the > Saints/Sages who came before us didn't hold in > their minds at all, > ________________ > > I am neither a coward nor do I lack care. I was > chosen my Ma and Lord Shiva for a single purpose ( I > have been for many life times a Warrior, Wizard, > Priest) what I see arising in my mind when I > meditate, is so much death that I have delivered > to cowards that it makes me ill. It is only through > intense penance that I became a Brahmin in this > life. I am also smart enough to know that religion > and spirituality both are subject to change. Even > the laws of the universe are subject to change ! > > When I see imminent destruction to people that are > practicing dogmatically without understanding what > is going on or without wisdom, I am impelled to do > what I can to correct those that would like to > listen. Anyone is free to accept or reject what I > teach. I however act on instructions I receive, what > ever the outcome is my burden to bear. > > For your general information, it is only the most > terrible of beings that are > selected for the worship of Siva and Sakti, neither > of whom are cowards or > weaklings. As when you come into contact with the > spirit one on one - this is > what separates the men from the boys, so to speak ! > > What has happened is that there has been a watering > down of the original teaching to make it more > palatable to all and sundry and in the course of > doing this alien ideas have also been imported into > Shaivism. > > Lord Siva is hailed as MahaGhore - which is Terror > on to Terror, i.e. the most terrible beings fear > him. I don't think he could be a coward or weakling > if this was the case, do you ? > > In certain stotras - Lord Shiva bears weapons in > every arm > Shaantam Padmaasanastham Shashadharamakutam > Panchavaktram Trinetram > > Shulam Vajra Cha Khadgam Parashumabhadam > Dakshabhaage Vahantam > > Naagam Paasham Cha Ghantaam Damarukasahitaam > Sangkushaam Vaamabhaage > > Naanaalankaraaradiiptam Sphutikamani Nibham > Paarvatiisham Namaami > > I prostrate myself before the Lord of Paarvati, who > is peaceful who is seated in the Lotus posture, > whose crown is adorned with the moon. > Who has a broad face, who has three eyes, who holds > trident, thunderbolt, sword and the fearlessness > giving axe on the right side. > Who holds the serpent, noose, bell, Damaru and > spear on the left side, who shines with various > ornaments, and who is luminous like the crystal. > > Why would one want to pray for fearlessness if one > is ready to give everything over to others without > a fight ? > > The fact that invaders can be bold enough to loot > India of its land and treasures while natives of > India foolishly sit idly by under the illusion that > they are practicing either religion or spirituality > is enough to cause disgust and anger. > > So what if a Saint didn't hold these ideas, don't > forget that many of them were > neatly tucked away in an ashram away from the > world. Even the world that existed then, was a lot > like it is today -war has always existed over > economics > it is driven by one thing = GREED. Nowhere does God > tell anyone that one should allow others to take > what is rightfully theirs, this is the teaching of > people who were disconnected from the harsh > realities of everyday life and sought to justify it. > > Dispassion and renunciation of the world is good for > a practicing Yogi not for a > Bhogi (enjoyer). If one wants to truly renounce > the world then one has NO PLACE > in it, until then do your part to protect and > maintain what God provided to you ! > As when you renounce, you should also not beg of > others to maintain yourself, it defeats the purpose > of renunciation. > > *** in Truth is to be an example of the > understanding that all is One. One God. One Truth. > One Love. and there is only One race, Human. > > This is really astounding, although I have > personally experienced this Oneness in meditation. I > am left to wonder why the One is always trying to > take away Land and wealth from itself while > destroying the culture and heritage of another part > of itself ? > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards > Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > > > > ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us > wrote: > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > maybe, what in your mind is cowardice/apathy/lack > of care seems so > because your are trying to > rationalize/intellectualize an ideal that > the Saints/Sages who came before us didn't hold in > their minds at all, > but in their hearts. they were brave to the point > of being willing to > end this life for the sake of upholding the ideal. > this is definitely > beyond logic. Devotion and Love of God is not only > beyond logic but > can be destroyed by logic. Love is the language of > the heart not mind. > > the Great Ones of any of our worlds > Religions/Traditions have taught > spirituality not religion. The Truth is the battle > is internal not > external. we should be encouraging people to be > assertive in knowing > their own Self. external battles are never won > because we can't > control the diversity of Nature, and so we will > always have to fight > again. but the sages armed with the power of > perception, have taught > the internal battle to know your Self is the only > one worth fighting > because when we win that there is no more war. to > encourage people to > be assertive in protecting there heritage, culture, > family, religion, > etc. in Truth is to be an example of the > understanding that all is > One. One God. One Truth. One Love. and there is > only One race, Human. > > JAI MA > > , Dev > Maharaj > <dev_maharaj wrote: > > > > Namaskaar > > > > I see, why don't you give all of your belongs, > your job, your land, > your house, your wife and all other belongs to > others ? It all belongs > to God and after you pass it will belong to someone > else so why do you > have to have these to start with? You have no need > of wealth of food > or of anything else too, it all belongs to God what > right do you have > to any of these ?. > > > > What right we have to criticise other people's > actions/deeds and > stand there accusing them? > > > > My dear learned friend, we should Never go for > narrowing our mind > even in thoughts. It only leaves us in unhappy and > self-loathing. > Find peace in the lord in urself. Excuse me, if I > found to be > offhand/rude. > > > > I wish and pray, the group owner, should be > careful about posting > these types of controversies. They give the members > nothing but a > sheer anger and thoughtless wandering. > > > === message truncated === Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile./services?promote=mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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