manipulating birth times- how fair is it?

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Harey Rama Krishna!!!

 

Namaste everybody,

I have a general question that i wanted to ask for a very long time. I'm a relatively new member in this group. so, if you had seen this question before in this forum, kindly bear with me and repeat the answer to it.

 

my cousin was given a due date sometime in November last year. but then the baby turned out to be in breach position and she had to undergo a cesarean section delivery.

 

Her husband, in-laws and parents picked up an auspicious time for the baby's delivery. the doctors separated the mother and baby just when the time was right and the planets were all in perfectly benevolent positions (or as close to it as possible). the child was born atleast a week ahead of its natural time.

 

my knowledge about astrology is very limited but even by that standards, obviously that is not fair at all. but how does astrology handle such manipulations?

 

with sincere appreciations for the answers,

-Sindhu Madhusudan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 Rohiniranjan wrote :

>Panditji,

>

>Hardly knowledgeable in Sastras and religious scriptures in general --

> I think astrologers take two views and perspectives when it comes to

>reality! One set looks at individuals and then arranges the rest of

>creation around the individual. The other set looks at the creation

>and tries to find the place in it for the individual.

>

>The first set put too much power on the individual and hence also the

>responsibility! These look at the child and even without saying so,

>somehow truly believe that the presence of the child or its arrival

>caused the loss, death, destruction, bad luck whatever.

>

>The other set looks at the individual's chart and marvels at how dove-

>tailed many karmas are that fit due to a rinanubandhan or whatever

>reason and create the reality, in which some bad things are indicated

>in charts, but the results were already written in the fate of the

>sufferer! They remember that the charts are not for the individual

>born but the moment!

>

>If I may use a weird analogy -- The bad movie was going to be played

>at 6:30 PM anyway. Someone saw it only because he bought the ticket

>for that show! Should he blame the ticket for his bad experience?

>

>RR

>

>, "panditarjun2004"

><panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > the shastras did mention various doshams and gandams when a child

>is

> > born. these things mention that a particular relative of the child

> > may die if the child is born in this or that star. similarly the

> > father of the child is prohibited from seeing his child for so many

> > months or years based on the birthstar of the child, the worst

>being

> > 8 years ban on the father to see his child born in moola. once a

> > customer asked me why such prohibition is imposed only on father

>and

> > not mother and the answer is self explantory. similarly when

>gandam

> > to inlaws is written, the child is spared till he or she gets

>married

> > and then attribute this suspicion on the newly wed groom or bride.

> >

> > albeit all these things are written in shastras, these are simply

> > irrational, illogical and practically makes no sense in the present

> > civilised modern age.

> >

> > if one reproduce exactly how a woman has to live and behave, as

> > written in the puranas, it is against the government laws. our

> > constitution has been amended umpteen number of times but the RULES

> > AND CODES OF LIVING mentioned in the puranas have not been ameneded

> > as they have been left to the prudence of the native who reads them.

> >

> > hence my advise to all fraternity is not to impose these janma

> > gandams, doshams, balarishtams etc. on the newly born godlike

> > children. instead advise the parents to treat their children with

> > love and not suspect them of bringing death to this or that

>relative.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> >

> > , angel <angelgoel@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all

> > >

> > > Please answer my two doubts :

> > >

> > > 1> When a child is born ,it is believed that newly

> > > born baby might be harmful/bad/good for some of the

> > > relationships (like bad/harmful for paternal side OR

> > > for maternal side). Can someone tell me how do we

> > > analyse whether it in chart of newly born baby? Also

> > > when does the effects starts showing on others family

> > > members? for eg -> Child born in MOOLA nakshatra are

> > > said to bring bad-luck to father/mother. My question

> > > is BAD/GOOD-luck limited to parents OR it flows to

> > > Grandparents (maternal and paternal both) and other

> > > relations. How is that analysed from chart ?

> > >

> > > 2> Also when male gets married, the female coming to

> > > in-laws house will have the same effect as newly born

> > > baby (horroscope wise can she put some harmful/bad/

> > > good effects on family members) ? Is the same true for

> > > male ? Can some one give some pointers on the same.

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > angel

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________

> > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new

> > > http://in.answers./

> > >

> >

>

>

 

 

Shubha Dinam Astu!

-Sindhu Madhusudan

[Guest guest]

I think KN Rao has written about this in his books or articles. Does

anyone have a ready reference? I vaguely recall it was the book in

which he discussed the karma and rebirth cases.

 

RR

 

, "Sindhu Madhusudan"

<sunshinesbrighter wrote:

>

>

> Harey Rama Krishna!!!

>

> Namaste everybody,

> I have a general question that i wanted to ask for a very long

time. I'm a relatively new member in this group. so, if you had seen

this question before in this forum, kindly bear with me and repeat

the answer to it.

>

> my cousin was given a due date sometime in November last year. but

then the baby turned out to be in breach position and she had to

undergo a cesarean section delivery.

>

> Her husband, in-laws and parents picked up an auspicious time for

the baby's delivery. the doctors separated the mother and baby just

when the time was right and the planets were all in perfectly

benevolent positions (or as close to it as possible). the child was

born atleast a week ahead of its natural time.

>

> my knowledge about astrology is very limited but even by that

standards, obviously that is not fair at all. but how does astrology

handle such manipulations?

>

> with sincere appreciations for the answers,

> -Sindhu Madhusudan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 Rohiniranjan wrote :

> >Panditji,

> >

> >Hardly knowledgeable in Sastras and religious scriptures in

general --

> > I think astrologers take two views and perspectives when it

comes to

> >reality! One set looks at individuals and then arranges the rest of

> >creation around the individual. The other set looks at the creation

> >and tries to find the place in it for the individual.

> >

> >The first set put too much power on the individual and hence also

the

> >responsibility! These look at the child and even without saying so,

> >somehow truly believe that the presence of the child or its arrival

> >caused the loss, death, destruction, bad luck whatever.

> >

> >The other set looks at the individual's chart and marvels at how

dove-

> >tailed many karmas are that fit due to a rinanubandhan or whatever

> >reason and create the reality, in which some bad things are

indicated

> >in charts, but the results were already written in the fate of the

> >sufferer! They remember that the charts are not for the individual

> >born but the moment!

> >

> >If I may use a weird analogy -- The bad movie was going to be

played

> >at 6:30 PM anyway. Someone saw it only because he bought the ticket

> >for that show! Should he blame the ticket for his bad experience?

> >

> >RR

> >

> >, "panditarjun2004"

> ><panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend

> > >

> > > the shastras did mention various doshams and gandams when a

child

> >is

> > > born. these things mention that a particular relative of the

child

> > > may die if the child is born in this or that star. similarly

the

> > > father of the child is prohibited from seeing his child for so

many

> > > months or years based on the birthstar of the child, the worst

> >being

> > > 8 years ban on the father to see his child born in moola. once

a

> > > customer asked me why such prohibition is imposed only on father

> >and

> > > not mother and the answer is self explantory. similarly when

> >gandam

> > > to inlaws is written, the child is spared till he or she gets

> >married

> > > and then attribute this suspicion on the newly wed groom or

bride.

> > >

> > > albeit all these things are written in shastras, these are

simply

> > > irrational, illogical and practically makes no sense in the

present

> > > civilised modern age.

> > >

> > > if one reproduce exactly how a woman has to live and behave, as

> > > written in the puranas, it is against the government laws. our

> > > constitution has been amended umpteen number of times but the

RULES

> > > AND CODES OF LIVING mentioned in the puranas have not been

ameneded

> > > as they have been left to the prudence of the native who reads

them.

> > >

> > > hence my advise to all fraternity is not to impose these janma

> > > gandams, doshams, balarishtams etc. on the newly born godlike

> > > children. instead advise the parents to treat their children

with

> > > love and not suspect them of bringing death to this or that

> >relative.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > >

> > > , angel <angelgoel@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi all

> > > >

> > > > Please answer my two doubts :

> > > >

> > > > 1> When a child is born ,it is believed that newly

> > > > born baby might be harmful/bad/good for some of the

> > > > relationships (like bad/harmful for paternal side OR

> > > > for maternal side). Can someone tell me how do we

> > > > analyse whether it in chart of newly born baby? Also

> > > > when does the effects starts showing on others family

> > > > members? for eg -> Child born in MOOLA nakshatra are

> > > > said to bring bad-luck to father/mother. My question

> > > > is BAD/GOOD-luck limited to parents OR it flows to

> > > > Grandparents (maternal and paternal both) and other

> > > > relations. How is that analysed from chart ?

> > > >

> > > > 2> Also when male gets married, the female coming to

> > > > in-laws house will have the same effect as newly born

> > > > baby (horroscope wise can she put some harmful/bad/

> > > > good effects on family members) ? Is the same true for

> > > > male ? Can some one give some pointers on the same.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > angel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new

> > > > http://in.answers./

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

> Shubha Dinam Astu!

> -Sindhu Madhusudan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear sindhu madhusudhan,

this sort of delivery thro cesarean section by

choosing the right time in terms of favourable

planetary positions are going on for the last

10-15yrs. earlier to this the parents use to chek the

auspicious time for an operation only to see the

mother and the child are safe. If u take History this

sort of a manipulation was possible only by sages and

learned astrologers. Eg: ravana was a great astrologer

so he wanted the timing of the birth of his son at the

most appropriate time when all the planets were in the

most favourable position and he had the powers to

bring that position because he being a staunch Shiva

bhakthan, however Lord saturn saw the danger and it

just moved out of that position and saved the rest of

humanity, otherwise u can imagine how it would have

been when a dictator rules the country without any

consideration for human lives. Now medical profession

is in a position to do what Ravana could do. However

the destiny of the child is prewritten otherwise the

child neednt go to a breech position and then be

delivered thro cesaerean section. It is better to pray

to the almighty to shower his blessings to the child

for a happy and healthy life.

 

withgood wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

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