Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visiti, Namaskar Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past life. Please correct me if I am wrong. Best regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I was also dealing with these rules in past and my experience tells me that dividing for "good" and "bad" in these type of cases is very misleading. For example Phaldeepika says that duryoga is when kendra lord is in dushtana AND weak (low avastha) therefore if malefic is in dushtana then it creates havoc when exalted (for Lagna) but it gives resources to the LORD so thats difference and world is not black-white. Or when ninth lord is in dusthana debilitated as malefic then I was taught that fortune is higher but boss suffers (deb). If benefics are in dusthanas and exalted then its good for these bhavas at it can reduce enmity etc but for lagna it can be bad as strong avashta shows high awarness and you dont see this benefics in life and you suffer a lot. When retro then situation is opposite after some time, so when malefic is in dusthana retro debilitated then he is not so dangerous then and you can neglect Him but after some time You can see thorns in your feets. These are kind of yoga's where You can only say its good for this but bad for that (like VRY yuti Jupiter/Venus or Badhakesh in 12 with other graha) but COMPLETE GENERALIZATION is for me quite misleading. Regards Rafal Gendarz , Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visiti, Namaskar > Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a > related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are > considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not good. > How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? Would deb > retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb retro benefic > placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past life. Please > correct me if I am wrong. > Best regards > Ramesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 ??? ??? ?????? Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I've tried to answer this query in todays class. You can get the MP3 from the site already now. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visiti, Namaskar > Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a > related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are > considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not > good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? > Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb > retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past > life. Please correct me if I am wrong. > Best regards > Ramesh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Thank you for your response. Visti tried to draw some conclusions in his lectures and my understanding of them is as follows; 1. Strong Natural Benefics are good in Kendras and bad in dusthanas. 2. Weak natural benefics are good in dusthanas and bad in kendras. I am open to corrections if it was not so. He did not discuss retro planets. My question is will deb retro be classified as weak or strong? Similarly will exalted retro be classified as weak or strong? Are you implying that they are weak initially and get stronger later on? thanks Ramesh starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl Sent by: 02/04/2007 03:53 AM Please respond to To cc Subject [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Lecture on Bhavas hare rama krsna Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I was also dealing with these rules in past and my experience tells me that dividing for "good" and "bad" in these type of cases is very misleading. For example Phaldeepika says that duryoga is when kendra lord is in dushtana AND weak (low avastha) therefore if malefic is in dushtana then it creates havoc when exalted (for Lagna) but it gives resources to the LORD so thats difference and world is not black-white. Or when ninth lord is in dusthana debilitated as malefic then I was taught that fortune is higher but boss suffers (deb). If benefics are in dusthanas and exalted then its good for these bhavas at it can reduce enmity etc but for lagna it can be bad as strong avashta shows high awarness and you dont see this benefics in life and you suffer a lot. When retro then situation is opposite after some time, so when malefic is in dusthana retro debilitated then he is not so dangerous then and you can neglect Him but after some time You can see thorns in your feets. These are kind of yoga's where You can only say its good for this but bad for that (like VRY yuti Jupiter/Venus or Badhakesh in 12 with other graha) but COMPLETE GENERALIZATION is for me quite misleading. Regards Rafal Gendarz , Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visiti, Namaskar > Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a > related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are > considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not good. > How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? Would deb > retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb retro benefic > placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past life. Please > correct me if I am wrong. > Best regards > Ramesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Ramesh, Namaskar Vistiji talks about Vakri grahas in His last lecture with some examples. I advise You to go through this as this is crystal-clear presentation. Natural benefics indicate those who give or those who have enough good karma to get things without fighting. So when You have strong exalted benefics in Kendra it means that all Your friends are showering You without fighting. This also shows other good things written in Mala Yoga's / Parvata Yoga / Lagnaadhi Yoga. Support and mental state is beneficial. When Malefics are in kendra then high diptadi avastha shows high ideals (often spirituality) and no money(You dont want to take) - this You will see especially in spiritual / astrological community. When Malefics are in Kendra and debilitated then You dont have any problem to take = therefore Raja Yoga. But still it can give bad character (Sarpa) and low ideas or native should have other yoga's to promote Satwa. When benefics are in dushtana then its good for dusthana(maybe also good for enemy) but it can be bad for this graha. So here the situation is different. Like I wrote in previouos mail. I try to understand this situation like this: kendra are Your friends, dushtana's are Your enemies, exaltation is high ideals and resources while debilitation shows low ideals. Any other further generalization can be misleading. Regards Rafal Gendarz Regards Rafal Gendarz Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 17 New Members Visit Your Group Mail Next gen email? Try the all-new Mail Beta. New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Search. Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. . __,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar, Thank you for covering retro deb and exaltation in your next lecture. I recall Sanjayji writing or saying the following; 1. Deb retro beneifcs in kendra are a curse from past life whereas the same in dusthanas are a blessings from past life. 2. On the other hand deb retro malefics in kendra are a blessings from past life and the same in dusthanas are a curse from past life. I have just referred to my notes and not gone back to source. Please let me know if I made any mistake in understanding the above. Regards Ramesh visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Sent by: 02/04/2007 11:23 AM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I've tried to answer this query in todays class. You can get the MP3 from the site already now. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visiti, Namaskar Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past life. Please correct me if I am wrong. Best regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh, Namaskar You are correct, I realized i had not talked about this in the latest recording, however i have done so in a recording much earlier. Do see the past recordings where i specifically have talked about retrogression. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>'>http://srigaruda.com> Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visti, Namaskar, > Thank you for covering retro deb and exaltation in your next lecture. > I recall Sanjayji writing or saying the following; > 1. Deb retro beneifcs in kendra are a curse from past life whereas the > same in dusthanas are a blessings from past life. > 2. On the other hand deb retro malefics in kendra are a blessings from > past life and the same in dusthanas are a curse from past life. > I have just referred to my notes and not gone back to source. Please > let me know if I made any mistake in understanding the above. > Regards > Ramesh > > > > *visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com* > Sent by: > > 02/04/2007 11:23 AM > Please respond to > > > > > To > > cc > > Subject > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > I've tried to answer this query in todays class. You can get the MP3 > from the site already now. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: _visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com_ <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > _http://srigaruda.com _ <http://srigaruda.com/> > > _ > __Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com_ <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visiti, Namaskar > Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a > related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are > considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not > good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? > Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb > retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past > life. Please correct me if I am wrong. > Best regards > Ramesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar Sorry! I couldn't locate the specific recording. Please point me to the right one when you have some time. My questions however are as follows; You have indicated that deb/ weak benefic in dusthana is good. If deb retro planet becomes strong or if the retro gati reverses the indications why is deb retro in dusthana a blessing? Similarly if weak/deb malefic is bad in kendra why isn't retro deb malefic good in kendra, why does it come a curse? You also said deb malefic in kendra is materially good, rajayoga. Is retro deb malefic in kendra bad materially? is it a Blessing only for spiritual goals? Regards Ramesh visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Sent by: 02/05/2007 10:00 AM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh, Namaskar You are correct, I realized i had not talked about this in the latest recording, however i have done so in a recording much earlier. Do see the past recordings where i specifically have talked about retrogression. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar, Thank you for covering retro deb and exaltation in your next lecture. I recall Sanjayji writing or saying the following; 1. Deb retro beneifcs in kendra are a curse from past life whereas the same in dusthanas are a blessings from past life. 2. On the other hand deb retro malefics in kendra are a blessings from past life and the same in dusthanas are a curse from past life. I have just referred to my notes and not gone back to source. Please let me know if I made any mistake in understanding the above. Regards Ramesh visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Sent by: 02/04/2007 11:23 AM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh, Namaskar I've tried to answer this query in todays class. You can get the MP3 from the site already now. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visiti, Namaskar Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past life. Please correct me if I am wrong. Best regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh, Namaskar This is aiming towards a more advanced understanding of retrogression. Consider this he NEXT level of understanding of the topic. When we go deeper into retrogression we can no longer settle with simply recognizing two motions of planets, namely Direct vs. Retrograde, but must now consider THREE motions namely: Direct - Chara (rajasic state) Stationary - dvisvabhava (sattvic state) Retrograde - sthira (tamasic state) Here we are taught that the stationary position is a state of recharging, where the nature of the planets will indicate whether they are 1) meditating (sattvic grahas); 2) scheming (rajasic grahas); 3) sleeping (tamasic grahas). Naturally not all the planets can achieve these three states, and hence we are talking of five grahas namely: Sattvic: Jupiter. Rajasic: Mercury and Venus. Tamasic: Saturn and Mars. Here the initial direct motion of the grahas shows them moving towards achieving their desires, and when they gradually slow down towards stationary they begin to loose their energy and whichever yogas associated with them, until they become completely helpless/inactive when in stationary itself. Having come out of the stationary position and begin their retrogression they are all eager to achieve their desires with new found strength, however, the tamasic grahas coming out of their slumber can be utterly destructive and can completely devastate their house position due to the intense anger/sorrow they have suffered from loosing their abilities during their stationary position. As a result the worst placement for tamasic grahas during their retrogression is i) their own sign and ii) exaltation. Hence, such a position of a tamasic graha should not be in kendra or trikona as they will devastate their signs position. So we can infer: /a retrograde malefic/tamasic graha is like a curse when in own sign/exaltation and in the beneficial houses i.e. kendra and trikona, as it completely devastates these houses. Whereas his placement in //dusthana //when in own sign/exaltation will act like a vipareet raja yoga and destroy enemies. Opposite will happen in his debilitation sign. / Example 1: Sri Rama (Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn in exaltation; Moon and Lagna in Cancer; Mercury in Taurus; Rahu and Ketu in Sagittarius and Gemini respectively) In the chart of Sri Rama Saturn is opposite the Sun and must thus be retrograde. Saturn is in his exaltation sign in a kendra which is a very negative position and will devastate the fourth house indications. When the Moola dasa of Saturn began Sri Rama was exiled from his home (fourth house) due to the actions of a step mother (fourth house - saturn). Example 2: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa February 18, 1836 Time: 6:23:27 Time Zone: 5:50:56 (East of GMT) Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00" Aquarius is the Lagna and three planets viz. Saturn, Jupiter and Mercury are retrograde. Among these Saturn is retrograde in the ninth house in exaltation. Whilst Saturn and Jupiter both associated wit the ninth house indicating blessings after joining a spiritual lineage, the position of Saturn being retro and exalted brings a negative influence on the ninth house. The effects of poverty, hunger, etc. and all the amenities of the lifestyle of an ascetic are indicated. However, Saturn is the lagna lord and indicates that HE chose this lifestyle, and thus a real tapasvi is born from this yoga. Now, a benefic planet be it sattvic or rajasic will carry somewhat different characteristics. The sattvic Jupiter is like a sage coming out of meditation and is eager to bless the world with mantras, knowledge, etc. As a result he is in a very giving mood and if he is placed in his sign of debilitation there is NO GIVING as he has nothing to give. Yes, he is aiming towards exaltation as that is his desire, but how much of this can he give? Similarly the rajasic planets are aiming towards growth and prosperity, but without money (debilitation) how will they grow? / Hence when a BENEFIC is retrograde, then his placement in debilitation is ONLY auspicious when in Dusthana. Otherwise in kendra or trikona he will act like a curse. Opposite will happen in the exaltation sign. / Example 3: Insanity Case - VRA August 10, 1949 Time: 9:01:12 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 85 E 50' 00", 20 N 30' 00" The lagna is Virgo and Jupiter is retrograde in the chart. Jupiter is placed in the fifth house in debilitation thus indicating a terrible durbhagya from past life. This is substantiated by Jupiter being afflicted by Sun and Mars (fire/burning), as Jupiters vargottama placement indicates that it will affect the first house adversely where health, intelligence will suffer as a result. This happens in the fifth house of mantra and bhakti and can show wrong mantras/thoughts guiding the native and leading towards the problem. This is especially so with Jupiter being badhakesh placed here as a severe pisacha badhak and sarpa dosha exists in the chart. The native dabbled in black magic and some of the darker tantric practices, which resulted in him loosing his mental balance after an accident involving the burning down of a building, he developed scizophrenia. Now, there is more to consider here such as the INTENSITY of the retrogression, as a planet who is ending his retrogression has his desires fulfilled and will not be as destructive, whilst one who has just begun is full of energy and desires. I will leave this aspect of the discussion to a future publication./ / Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>'>http://srigaruda.com> Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visti, Namaskar > Sorry! I couldn't locate the specific recording. Please point me to > the right one when you have some time. > My questions however are as follows; > You have indicated that deb/ weak benefic in dusthana is good. If deb > retro planet becomes strong or if the retro gati reverses the > indications why is deb retro in dusthana a blessing? > Similarly if weak/deb malefic is bad in kendra why isn't retro deb > malefic good in kendra, why does it come a curse? > You also said deb malefic in kendra is materially good, rajayoga. Is > retro deb malefic in kendra bad materially? is it a Blessing only for > spiritual goals? > Regards > Ramesh > > > > *visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com* > Sent by: > > 02/05/2007 10:00 AM > Please respond to > > > > > To > > cc > > Subject > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > You are correct, I realized i had not talked about this in the latest > recording, however i have done so in a recording much earlier. Do see > the past recordings where i specifically have talked about retrogression. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: _visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com_ <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > _http://srigaruda.com _ <http://srigaruda.com/> > > _ > __Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com_ <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visti, Namaskar, > Thank you for covering retro deb and exaltation in your next lecture. > I recall Sanjayji writing or saying the following; > 1. Deb retro beneifcs in kendra are a curse from past life whereas the > same in dusthanas are a blessings from past life. > 2. On the other hand deb retro malefics in kendra are a blessings from > past life and the same in dusthanas are a curse from past life. > I have just referred to my notes and not gone back to source. Please > let me know if I made any mistake in understanding the above. > Regards > Ramesh > > > *visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com* > Sent by: > > 02/04/2007 11:23 AM > Please respond to > > > > To > > cc > > Subject > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Lecture on Bhavas > > > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Ramesh, Namaskar > I've tried to answer this query in todays class. You can get the MP3 > from the site already now. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: _visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com_ <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > _http://srigaruda.com _ <http://srigaruda.com/> > _ > > __Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com_ <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani (AT) jci (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Visiti, Namaskar > Thank you posting very educative lectures on your website. I have a > related question. Debilitated/weak benefics placed in dusthanas are > considered good and strong benefics in Dusthanas are generally not > good. How would the retro motion of the planets alter the situation? > Would deb retro planet be seen as strong or weak? I understand deb > retro benefic placement in dusthana is considered a blessing from past > life. Please correct me if I am wrong. > Best regards > Ramesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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