Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH Dear Anil, I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until now. For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. Similarly for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not significant. The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev has Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have a broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is worshipping Siva. Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden fact that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" and had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' teachings vis a vis indian connection. Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, as supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical ligam on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their haj is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word itself comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go to the temple without knowing Him exactly. So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is significant. Aum NamaH Sivaye somy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Nice Somi, I wish every body has as much sense as you. somybist <somybist > wrote: Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH Dear Anil, I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until now. For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. Similarly for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not significant. The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev has Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have a broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is worshipping Siva. Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden fact that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" and had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' teachings vis a vis indian connection. Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, as supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical ligam on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their haj is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word itself comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go to the temple without knowing Him exactly. So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is significant. Aum NamaH Sivaye somy Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Wonderfull dear sir, Just one question.....when did Christ come to india to do penance.....?? I know that there is a shivling in mecca.....that the muslims worship.... regards, kanishk somybist wrote: > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > Dear Anil, > > I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until now. > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. Similarly > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not > significant. > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev has > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do > differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" > > We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have a > broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is > worshipping Siva. > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden fact > that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" and > had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, as > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical ligam > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their haj > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word itself > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva > and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is > significant. > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > somy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 dear shiv bhakt somy om namo bhagawate rudraya your views are the thoughts of a realised person and are true. however, most humans live under maya e.g. when the mughals took control of somnath and benaras jyotirlinga temples, they were under the maya that they kept lord shiv under seige. similarly when some hindu organisations say that they have liberated lord shiva in somnath or benaras, or rama in ayodhya or krishna in mathura, this is also their affect under maya. lord shiva or god is not someone who can be kept under seige or liberated. the god pervades and permeats in all sentient beings and only realised people acknolwdge this and treat all religions and all humans alike. as regards mount kailsh is concerned, it is visited by most buddish people from china and tibet and several foreigners most of the times unlike a state sponsored couple of months entourage from india. in fact i appreciate the chinese government when they maintained the sanctity of kailash parvat by not allowing an european trekking delegation which sought their permission to scale mount kailash. when tibet was seeking help from india, the indian government did nothing to help them. the chinese who annexed tibet did extraordinary infrastructure development by laying road and rail networks connecting mainlad china instnatly on warfooting and provided growth platform to tibet. in materialistic sense also, india is following exactly what china has done a decade ago i.e. liberalisation of economy and the indian economy is growing based on the chinese role model. the entire world, especially all developed countries, are complimenting china and india together with equal weightage. hence my humble submission to all shiv bhakts is that one shall stop criticising china. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , "somybist" <somybist wrote: > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > Dear Anil, > > I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until now. > > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. Similarly > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not > significant. > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev has > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do > differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" > > We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have a > broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is > worshipping Siva. > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden fact > that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" and > had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, as > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical ligam > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their haj > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word itself > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva > and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is > significant. > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > somy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 What a Divine Grace to have such illuminating words of wisdom! This in itself is Siva Sakthi. It is desirable each believer do not get stuck to details such as time and places and forms as to when and what, etc. etc.. Seeker of Truth's concern is only the Truth - Siva Sakthi. That is something to be personally experienced to believe it and the experience is invaluable and inexplainable. One's experience need not be that of another. Real seeker of the truth will seldom get suck up in details as to the names, places, forms, etc. etc. One has to move on to experience the Truth. Om Namah Sivaya R. Ramachandran Nair --- kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: > Wonderfull dear sir, > Just one question.....when did Christ come to india > to do penance.....?? > > I know that there is a shivling in mecca.....that > the muslims worship.... > > regards, > kanishk > > somybist wrote: > > > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > > > Dear Anil, > > > > I do not have the authority over the subject but > just want to share > > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in > China control until now. > > > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese > or hindu who ever > > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to > Him. > > > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son > adopts another > > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the > parents. Similarly > > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and > loving to Him now > > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma > bhoomi' is not > > significant. > > > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a > SaddGuru and Mahadev has > > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One > who tries do > > differentiate between these two will surely go to > 'narak.'" > > > > We see things from our own level and make > opinions, but if we have a > > broad opinion and think about none and only and > only Siva we will > > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of > all religion > > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence > all are His > > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. > Some may agree and > > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" > the "Mahadeva." > > > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other > words Siva for a > > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this > world the power > > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, > actually is > > worshipping Siva. > > > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in > Jesus' teachings. > > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they > may not use the > > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is > exactly what we > > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It > is no hidden fact > > that Christ had come to India before becoming > "Jesus the Christ" and > > had done penance in India for a period of five > years. If you go > > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord > Krishna had said > > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at > length on Jesus' > > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, > Peace Be Upon Him, as > > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few > people know the > > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the > black-colored Siva Lingam > > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, > as well as > > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is > called the stone from > > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch > the vertical ligam > > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam > zam" water their haj > > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam > and the holy > > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. > Kaba, the word itself > > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of > Lord Siva. You will > > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. > They worship Siva > > and they themselves do not know the fact similar > like most of us go > > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but > directly > > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. > Therefore, the Kailasa be > > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside > us also that is > > significant. > > > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > > somy > > > > > > TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Thanks a lot to Somy for removing the illusion and bringing peace to my mind. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear shiv bhakt somy > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > your views are the thoughts of a realised person and are true. > > however, most humans live under maya e.g. when the mughals took > control of somnath and benaras jyotirlinga temples, they were under > the maya that they kept lord shiv under seige. similarly when some > hindu organisations say that they have liberated lord shiva in > somnath or benaras, or rama in ayodhya or krishna in mathura, this is > also their affect under maya. lord shiva or god is not someone who > can be kept under seige or liberated. the god pervades and permeats > in all sentient beings and only realised people acknolwdge this and > treat all religions and all humans alike. > > as regards mount kailsh is concerned, it is visited by most buddish > people from china and tibet and several foreigners most of the times > unlike a state sponsored couple of months entourage from india. in > fact i appreciate the chinese government when they maintained the > sanctity of kailash parvat by not allowing an european trekking > delegation which sought their permission to scale mount kailash. > > when tibet was seeking help from india, the indian government did > nothing to help them. the chinese who annexed tibet did > extraordinary infrastructure development by laying road and rail > networks connecting mainlad china instnatly on warfooting and > provided growth platform to tibet. > > in materialistic sense also, india is following exactly what china > has done a decade ago i.e. liberalisation of economy and the indian > economy is growing based on the chinese role model. the entire > world, especially all developed countries, are complimenting china > and india together with equal weightage. > > hence my humble submission to all shiv bhakts is that one shall stop > criticising china. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > , "somybist" > <somybist@> wrote: > > > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > > > Dear Anil, > > > > I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share > > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until > now. > > > > > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever > > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. > > > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another > > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. > Similarly > > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now > > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not > > significant. > > > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev > has > > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do > > differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" > > > > We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have > a > > broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will > > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion > > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His > > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and > > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." > > > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a > > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power > > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is > > worshipping Siva. > > > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. > > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the > > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we > > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden > fact > > that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" > and > > had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go > > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said > > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' > > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > > > > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, > as > > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the > > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam > > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as > > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from > > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical > ligam > > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their > haj > > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy > > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word > itself > > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will > > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva > > and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go > > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly > > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be > > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is > > significant. > > > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > > somy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Yes thanks a lot dear sir....... regards, kanishk asharm02 wrote: > > Thanks a lot to Somy for removing the illusion and bringing peace to > my mind. > > > <%40>, "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > > > dear shiv bhakt somy > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > your views are the thoughts of a realised person and are true. > > > > however, most humans live under maya e.g. when the mughals took > > control of somnath and benaras jyotirlinga temples, they were under > > the maya that they kept lord shiv under seige. similarly when some > > hindu organisations say that they have liberated lord shiva in > > somnath or benaras, or rama in ayodhya or krishna in mathura, this > is > > also their affect under maya. lord shiva or god is not someone who > > can be kept under seige or liberated. the god pervades and > permeats > > in all sentient beings and only realised people acknolwdge this and > > treat all religions and all humans alike. > > > > as regards mount kailsh is concerned, it is visited by most buddish > > people from china and tibet and several foreigners most of the > times > > unlike a state sponsored couple of months entourage from india. in > > fact i appreciate the chinese government when they maintained the > > sanctity of kailash parvat by not allowing an european trekking > > delegation which sought their permission to scale mount kailash. > > > > when tibet was seeking help from india, the indian government did > > nothing to help them. the chinese who annexed tibet did > > extraordinary infrastructure development by laying road and rail > > networks connecting mainlad china instnatly on warfooting and > > provided growth platform to tibet. > > > > in materialistic sense also, india is following exactly what china > > has done a decade ago i.e. liberalisation of economy and the indian > > economy is growing based on the chinese role model. the entire > > world, especially all developed countries, are complimenting china > > and india together with equal weightage. > > > > hence my humble submission to all shiv bhakts is that one shall > stop > > criticising china. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > <%40>, "somybist" > > <somybist@> wrote: > > > > > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > > > > > Dear Anil, > > > > > > I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to > share > > > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until > > now. > > > > > > > > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who > ever > > > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. > > > > > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another > > > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. > > Similarly > > > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now > > > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not > > > significant. > > > > > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev > > has > > > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do > > > differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" > > > > > > We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we > have > > a > > > broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will > > > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion > > > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His > > > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > > > > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and > > > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > > > > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." > > > > > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a > > > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the > power > > > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is > > > worshipping Siva. > > > > > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. > > > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the > > > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we > > > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden > > fact > > > that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" > > and > > > had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go > > > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said > > > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' > > > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > > > > > > > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon > Him, > > as > > > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the > > > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam > > > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as > > > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone > from > > > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical > > ligam > > > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their > > haj > > > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy > > > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word > > itself > > > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You > will > > > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship > Siva > > > and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us > go > > > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > > > > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly > > > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa > be > > > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that > is > > > significant. > > > > > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > > > somy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Dear my friends when Lord Brahma and Lord vishnu cannot find the top and bottom of Shiva when he has become lingothbava during shiva rathri how these yester years so called rulers can find the " control of lingas" and he the ultimate who " only survives after pralayam . everything finishes when this stristi comes to halt. atj panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Wednesday, February 7, 2007 6:38:45 PM Re: Kailasa - India versus China dear shiv bhakt somy om namo bhagawate rudraya your views are the thoughts of a realised person and are true. however, most humans live under maya e.g. when the mughals took control of somnath and benaras jyotirlinga temples, they were under the maya that they kept lord shiv under seige. similarly when some hindu organisations say that they have liberated lord shiva in somnath or benaras, or rama in ayodhya or krishna in mathura, this is also their affect under maya. lord shiva or god is not someone who can be kept under seige or liberated. the god pervades and permeats in all sentient beings and only realised people acknolwdge this and treat all religions and all humans alike. as regards mount kailsh is concerned, it is visited by most buddish people from china and tibet and several foreigners most of the times unlike a state sponsored couple of months entourage from india. in fact i appreciate the chinese government when they maintained the sanctity of kailash parvat by not allowing an european trekking delegation which sought their permission to scale mount kailash. when tibet was seeking help from india, the indian government did nothing to help them. the chinese who annexed tibet did extraordinary infrastructure development by laying road and rail networks connecting mainlad china instnatly on warfooting and provided growth platform to tibet. in materialistic sense also, india is following exactly what china has done a decade ago i.e. liberalisation of economy and the indian economy is growing based on the chinese role model. the entire world, especially all developed countries, are complimenting china and india together with equal weightage. hence my humble submission to all shiv bhakts is that one shall stop criticising china. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "somybist" <somybist@.. .> wrote: > > Aum Param Tatvayae Narayanaya Gurubhyo NamaH > > Dear Anil, > > I do not have the authority over the subject but just want to share > my idea to your query as to why Kailasa is in China control until now. > > > For the Lord Himself, there is no one as chinese or hindu who ever > worships is a devotee and a bhakt and loving to Him. > > If out of several chidren of a couple, one son adopts another > religion, he still would be a son and dear to the parents. Similarly > for Siva the Supreme we are His children and loving to Him now > whether we are Chinese or Hindu in the 'karma bhoomi' is not > significant. > > The Chinese worship Lord Buddha who is yet a SaddGuru and Mahadev has > Himself said "I am the Guru and Guru is Me. One who tries do > differentiate between these two will surely go to 'narak.'" > > We see things from our own level and make opinions, but if we have a > broad opinion and think about none and only and only Siva we will > see a broader vision. As per my opinion, people of all religion > belive in Siva in one or the other forms and hence all are His > children be they in Benaras, Bejing, or Boston. > > Please allow me to go a bit further into this. Some may agree and > some may not, but this is purely my own opinion. > > Hindus worship Siva directly as "Siva the Supreme" the "Mahadeva." > > Buddhists worship Buddha the Guru or in other words Siva for a > SaddGuru is living Siva. In every SaddGuru of this world the power > comes from Siva and if one worships ones Guru, actually is > worshipping Siva. > > Christians worship Christ, or say, belive in Jesus' teachings. > Actually again they belive in a Guru though they may not use the > word 'Guru' for Christ but what they are doing is exactly what we > have been doing to our SaddGurus for centuries. It is no hidden fact > that Christ had come to India before becoming "Jesus the Christ" and > had done penance in India for a period of five years. If you go > through Jesus teachings it is similar what Lord Krishna had said > earlier. St. Paul has written in his book at length on Jesus' > teachings vis a vis indian connection. > > > Muslims abide by the word of Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, as > supreme. Prophet is another word for Guru. Few people know the > fact, that Kaba is nothing else but the black-colored Siva Lingam > which is placed inside the Kaba, the black shrine, as well as > vertically placed on the Kaba wall, which is called the stone from > heaven. As long as the hajj pilgrims do not touch the vertical ligam > on the wall and drink the holy water called "zam zam" water their haj > is incomplete. Kaba is nothing else but the lingam and the holy > water nothing else but a sign of holy Ganges. Kaba, the word itself > comes from "Kablalishwara Mahadev" one name of Lord Siva. You will > find "kabalishwar" temple in south in TamilNadu. They worship Siva > and they themselves do not know the fact similar like most of us go > to the temple without knowing Him exactly. > > So we do fight with each other over boundaries but directly > indirectly we worship Siva, the supreme. Therefore, the Kailasa be > in China or India, is same. One Kailasa is inside us also that is > significant. > > Aum NamaH Sivaye > somy > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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