Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Mahamuni Dasji, Namaste. its a pleasure to read your replies. really. it just shows the way you feel about religion. you accept things that make sense and dont mince your words when it comes to condemning things that dont. Kanishkji, you are either one very curious person or you just love the way your name looks in the inbox. you ask the same question in all the groups and continue debating and arguing about it so passionately along the same lines in both the groups. eg: the question about seeing a corpse. some very learned minds in this group and the one dedicated to Shani Bhagwan have been trying to find an answer to this question. let me ask this direct question to you, since you're the one who had raised the question first (and had probably carefully read the answers too)- from all the replies that you had received to your mail, what have you learnt? Is it good to see a funeral procession on your way to work? my apologies if this blunt question had hurt you but everybody has a right to know if their efforts in clarifying your perennial doubts have had any impact on you or has made your journey towards knowing Lord Shiva any more easier. regards, Sindhu On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 Mahamuni Das wrote : >What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds? > >This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.. > > - > Dev Maharaj > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM > Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!! > > > Namaskaar > > May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. > > One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) . > > This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power. > > A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there. > > This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is > a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons > b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular > Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness. > c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition > of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one > becomes impure. > > By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are > > 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship > 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship > 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body > 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped > 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body) > > Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired. > > In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings. > Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity. > > So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again. > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote: > > I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion. > > It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me. > > Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas. > > > suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Please note: > this is not superstition, but a fact. > There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period > family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights. > > Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones > funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples. > > I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have > mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do? > > regards, > suresh > > , kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: > > > > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the > > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession.... > > > > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is > > misunderstanding...... > > > > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or > something > > like that...... > > > > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means > > anything........ > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > suresh wrote: > > > > > > > > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord, > > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple. > > > > > > And if he/she happens to see a > > > > > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident > on > > > way to temple. > > > > > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a > Crematorium > > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals. > > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals. > > > > > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the > temple, > > > or should he/she return back home. > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > Shiv Sewak > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: IMPORTANT > The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachment(s) is strictly confidential, legally privileged and intended for the named addressee only. 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Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Namaste Sindhu. Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate Vedic Brahmanism and Punditji and others are just repeating what they are taught and experience. I have been around ashrams where bodily purity is highly regulated and required. I don't mind it one bit and always respect the traditions of the places I am in.. But this talk of impurity, irks me quite a bit since I have stayed with many different types of sadhus in India. This is especially true when talking about the Smashan. Its about the purest place I know. The various sadhus never stated such things to me, only the pundits and the orthodox brahmins.. Many sadhus live in or near cremation grounds. Are they not pure? Some I have known are amongst the purest people I have ever met. Some traditions of religious practice in India don't follow the Vedas at all but rather follow the Agamas. There are innumerable different traditions, lineages, etc. They don't all agree. I liked Chandrashekarji mentioning how Christians and Muslims approach the subject. Jews are probably closer to Hindus, as I believe Judiasm came straight out of India originally as yet another offshoot of the Sanatan Dharm. But still there is no restriction that I know about going to temple. Why should there ever be a restriction against worshipping God/Goddess? There is a definite place for recommendations and requests, both for the sake of the individual and for the collective, but one needs to be careful. Often traditions were started long ago by people trying to control other people. No women allowed, no foreigners allowed, no lower castes allowed, etc. Well, I've said enough. I hope the point is clear. Namah Parvati Pate! Hara Hara Mahadev! Surya - S Madhusudan Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:31 AM funeral on the way to office Mahamuni Dasji, Namaste. its a pleasure to read your replies. really. it just shows the way you feel about religion. you accept things that make sense and dont mince your words when it comes to condemning things that dont. Kanishkji, you are either one very curious person or you just love the way your name looks in the inbox. you ask the same question in all the groups and continue debating and arguing about it so passionately along the same lines in both the groups. eg: the question about seeing a corpse. some very learned minds in this group and the one dedicated to Shani Bhagwan have been trying to find an answer to this question. let me ask this direct question to you, since you're the one who had raised the question first (and had probably carefully read the answers too)- from all the replies that you had received to your mail, what have you learnt? Is it good to see a funeral procession on your way to work? my apologies if this blunt question had hurt you but everybody has a right to know if their efforts in clarifying your perennial doubts have had any impact on you or has made your journey towards knowing Lord Shiva any more easier. regards, Sindhu On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 Mahamuni Das wrote : >What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds? > >This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion. > > - > Dev Maharaj > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM > Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!! > > > Namaskaar > > May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. > > One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) . > > This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power. > > A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there. > > This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is > a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons > b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular > Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness. > c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition > of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one > becomes impure. > > By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are > > 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship > 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship > 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body > 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped > 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body) > > Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired. > > In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings. > Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity. > > So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.. > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote: > > I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion. > > It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.. > > Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas. > > > suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Please note: > this is not superstition, but a fact. > There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period > family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights. > > Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones > funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples. > > I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have > mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do? > > regards, > suresh > > , kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: > > > > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the > > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession.... > > > > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is > > misunderstanding...... > > > > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or > something > > like that...... > > > > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means > > anything........ > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > suresh wrote: > > > > > > > > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord, > > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple. > > > > > > And if he/she happens to see a > > > > > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident > on > > > way to temple. > > > > > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a > Crematorium > > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals. > > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals. > > > > > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the > temple, > > > or should he/she return back home. > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiv Sewak > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: IMPORTANT > The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachment(s) is strictly confidential, legally privileged and intended for the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient (or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient) or have received it in error, you are not permitted to retain, use, disclose, disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail, including any attachment(s) or any part of it. Please immediately delete or destroy it and notify me by sending a return e-mail.. Thank you > >---------- > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > > > > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Thats a very sarcastic way to put it my dear sir,....very sarcastic..... I believe i thought that these groups were for helping people out...... I was just curious ......and i wasnt debating.......why do you think so.......?? If that is what you think of me.....then plz continue to do so........ I havent seen someone so sarcastically pointing out something i was just curious about...... regards, kanishk S Madhusudan wrote: > > Mahamuni Dasji, > Namaste. > > its a pleasure to read your replies. really. it just shows the way you > feel about religion. you accept things that make sense and dont mince > your words when it comes to condemning things that dont. > > Kanishkji, > > you are either one very curious person or you just love the way your > name looks in the inbox. you ask the same question in all the groups > and continue debating and arguing about it so passionately along the > same lines in both the groups. > > eg: the question about seeing a corpse. some very learned minds in > this group and the one dedicated to Shani Bhagwan have been trying to > find an answer to this question. > > let me ask this direct question to you, since you're the one who had > raised the question first (and had probably carefully read the answers > too)- from all the replies that you had received to your mail, what > have you learnt? > > Is it good to see a funeral procession on your way to work? > > my apologies if this blunt question had hurt you but everybody has a > right to know if their efforts in clarifying your perennial doubts > have had any impact on you or has made your journey towards knowing > Lord Shiva any more easier. > > regards, > Sindhu > > > > > > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 Mahamuni Das wrote : > >What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds? > > > >This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" > religion. > > > > - > > Dev Maharaj > > > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM > > Re: Re: if a devotee going to a > temple happens to see funeral procession then!!! > > > > > > Namaskaar > > > > May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although > in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this > mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. > > > > One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has > connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The > teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) > which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya > (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) . > > > > This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by > practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability > to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about > attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power. > > > > A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly > cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is > quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are > considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment > there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. > Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink > water there. > > > > This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into > contact with their Aura is > > a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons > > b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular > > Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness. > > c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a > transposition > > of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean > person one > > becomes impure. > > > > By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the > energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to > vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and > state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required > for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes > that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are > > > > 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship > > 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship > > 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body > > 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped > > 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental > /astral body) > > > > Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its > effects are erratic/backward to what is desired. > > > > In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make > offerings. > > Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are > specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they > are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity. > > > > So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the > temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the > temple again. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > > > Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote: > > > > I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should > you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended > a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am > familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully > ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will > reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning > that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact > that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the > supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion. > > > > It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me. > > > > Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated > and do not worry about such ideas. > > > > > > suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Please note: > > this is not superstition, but a fact. > > There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period > > family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights. > > > > Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend > someones > > funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in > temples. > > > > I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i > have > > mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do? > > > > regards, > > suresh > > > > , kanishk <kc3377 > > wrote: > > > > > > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the > > > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession.... > > > > > > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is > > > misunderstanding...... > > > > > > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or > > something > > > like that...... > > > > > > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means > > > anything........ > > > > > > regards, > > > kanishk > > > > > > suresh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord, > > > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple. > > > > > > > > And if he/she happens to see a > > > > > > > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or > accident > > on > > > > way to temple. > > > > > > > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a > > Crematorium > > > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals. > > > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals. > > > > > > > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the > > temple, > > > > or should he/she return back home. > > > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiv Sewak > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: IMPORTANT > > The information contained in this e-mail, including any > attachment(s) is strictly confidential, legally privileged and > intended for the named addressee only. 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Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Namaskaar Mahamuni Das I am somewhat confused by your response here in your first paragraph you wrote I have been around ashrams where bodily purity is highly regulated and required. I don't mind it one bit and always respect the traditions of the places I am in. in your second paragraph But this talk of impurity, irks me quite a bit since I have stayed with many different types of sadhus in India. What confuses me you see is either you respect it or you don't, further if there is purity then there is also impurity according to the duality of the universe. So which is it ? All this about people trying to control other people etc. FYI is also very necessary, can you imagine a temple with no rules ? Where everyone can do anything he pleases ? Please be realistic and not idealistic, we have to appreciate that there as there are rules for personal worship there as also rules for social worship. Each has a reason and a function and we should be careful not to confuse the two ! Namah Sivaya Pandit Devindra Maharaj Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Sindhu. Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate Vedic Brahmanism and Punditji and others are just repeating what they are taught and experience. I have been around ashrams where bodily purity is highly regulated and required. I don't mind it one bit and always respect the traditions of the places I am in. But this talk of impurity, irks me quite a bit since I have stayed with many different types of sadhus in India. This is especially true when talking about the Smashan. Its about the purest place I know. The various sadhus never stated such things to me, only the pundits and the orthodox brahmins. Many sadhus live in or near cremation grounds. Are they not pure? Some I have known are amongst the purest people I have ever met. Some traditions of religious practice in India don't follow the Vedas at all but rather follow the Agamas. There are innumerable different traditions, lineages, etc. They don't all agree. I liked Chandrashekarji mentioning how Christians and Muslims approach the subject. Jews are probably closer to Hindus, as I believe Judiasm came straight out of India originally as yet another offshoot of the Sanatan Dharm. But still there is no restriction that I know about going to temple. Why should there ever be a restriction against worshipping God/Goddess? There is a definite place for recommendations and requests, both for the sake of the individual and for the collective, but one needs to be careful. Often traditions were started long ago by people trying to control other people. No women allowed, no foreigners allowed, no lower castes allowed, etc. Well, I've said enough. I hope the point is clear. Namah Parvati Pate! Hara Hara Mahadev! Surya - S Madhusudan Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:31 AM funeral on the way to office Mahamuni Dasji, Namaste. its a pleasure to read your replies. really. it just shows the way you feel about religion. you accept things that make sense and dont mince your words when it comes to condemning things that dont. Kanishkji, you are either one very curious person or you just love the way your name looks in the inbox. you ask the same question in all the groups and continue debating and arguing about it so passionately along the same lines in both the groups. eg: the question about seeing a corpse. some very learned minds in this group and the one dedicated to Shani Bhagwan have been trying to find an answer to this question. let me ask this direct question to you, since you're the one who had raised the question first (and had probably carefully read the answers too)- from all the replies that you had received to your mail, what have you learnt? Is it good to see a funeral procession on your way to work? my apologies if this blunt question had hurt you but everybody has a right to know if their efforts in clarifying your perennial doubts have had any impact on you or has made your journey towards knowing Lord Shiva any more easier. regards, Sindhu On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 Mahamuni Das wrote : >What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds? > >This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Dev Maharaj > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM > Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!! > > > Namaskaar > > May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. > > One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) . > > This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power. > > A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there. > > This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is > a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons > b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular > Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness. > c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition > of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one > becomes impure. > > By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are > > 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship > 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship > 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body > 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped > 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body) > > Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired. > > In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings. > Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity. > > So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again. > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote: > > I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion. > > It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me. > > Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas. > > > suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Please note: > this is not superstition, but a fact. > There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period > family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights. > > Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones > funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples. > > I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have > mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do? > > regards, > suresh > > , kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: > > > > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the > > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession.... > > > > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is > > misunderstanding...... > > > > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or > something > > like that...... > > > > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means > > anything........ > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > suresh wrote: > > > > > > > > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord, > > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple. > > > > > > And if he/she happens to see a > > > > > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident > on > > > way to temple. > > > > > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a > Crematorium > > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals. > > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals. > > > > > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the > temple, > > > or should he/she return back home. > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > Shiv Sewak > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: IMPORTANT > The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachment(s) is strictly confidential, legally privileged and intended for the named addressee only. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 The ashram's code of bodily purity had to do with going to the toliet, eating etc. These things I can understand, though I still am not sure they are so necessary. Many ashrams and temples don't have quite as stringent rules. There is no absolute consistency. But new born babies and the smashan....I don't. Both are incredibly pure. Also until recently many great temples did not allow foreigners, women (especially women menstruating), etc. This is plain not right. Surya - Dev Maharaj Friday, February 02, 2007 11:41 AM Re: funeral on the way to office Namaskaar Mahamuni Das I am somewhat confused by your response here in your first paragraph you wrote I have been around ashrams where bodily purity is highly regulated and required. I don't mind it one bit and always respect the traditions of the places I am in. in your second paragraph But this talk of impurity, irks me quite a bit since I have stayed with many different types of sadhus in India. What confuses me you see is either you respect it or you don't, further if there is purity then there is also impurity according to the duality of the universe. So which is it ? All this about people trying to control other people etc. FYI is also very necessary, can you imagine a temple with no rules ? Where everyone can do anything he pleases ? Please be realistic and not idealistic, we have to appreciate that there as there are rules for personal worship there as also rules for social worship. Each has a reason and a function and we should be careful not to confuse the two ! Namah Sivaya Pandit Devindra Maharaj Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Sindhu. Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate Vedic Brahmanism and Punditji and others are just repeating what they are taught and experience. I have been around ashrams where bodily purity is highly regulated and required. I don't mind it one bit and always respect the traditions of the places I am in. But this talk of impurity, irks me quite a bit since I have stayed with many different types of sadhus in India. This is especially true when talking about the Smashan. Its about the purest place I know. The various sadhus never stated such things to me, only the pundits and the orthodox brahmins. Many sadhus live in or near cremation grounds. Are they not pure? Some I have known are amongst the purest people I have ever met. Some traditions of religious practice in India don't follow the Vedas at all but rather follow the Agamas. There are innumerable different traditions, lineages, etc. They don't all agree. I liked Chandrashekarji mentioning how Christians and Muslims approach the subject. Jews are probably closer to Hindus, as I believe Judiasm came straight out of India originally as yet another offshoot of the Sanatan Dharm. But still there is no restriction that I know about going to temple. Why should there ever be a restriction against worshipping God/Goddess? There is a definite place for recommendations and requests, both for the sake of the individual and for the collective, but one needs to be careful. Often traditions were started long ago by people trying to control other people. No women allowed, no foreigners allowed, no lower castes allowed, etc.. Well, I've said enough. I hope the point is clear. Namah Parvati Pate! Hara Hara Mahadev! Surya - S Madhusudan Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:31 AM funeral on the way to office Mahamuni Dasji, Namaste. its a pleasure to read your replies. really. it just shows the way you feel about religion. you accept things that make sense and dont mince your words when it comes to condemning things that dont. Kanishkji, you are either one very curious person or you just love the way your name looks in the inbox. you ask the same question in all the groups and continue debating and arguing about it so passionately along the same lines in both the groups. eg: the question about seeing a corpse. some very learned minds in this group and the one dedicated to Shani Bhagwan have been trying to find an answer to this question. let me ask this direct question to you, since you're the one who had raised the question first (and had probably carefully read the answers too)- from all the replies that you had received to your mail, what have you learnt? Is it good to see a funeral procession on your way to work? my apologies if this blunt question had hurt you but everybody has a right to know if their efforts in clarifying your perennial doubts have had any impact on you or has made your journey towards knowing Lord Shiva any more easier. regards, Sindhu On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 Mahamuni Das wrote : >What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds? > >This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion. > > - > Dev Maharaj > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM > Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!! > > > Namaskaar > > May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. > > One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) . > > This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power. > > A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there. > > This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is > a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons > b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular > Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness. > c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition > of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one > becomes impure. > > By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are > > 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship > 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship > 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body > 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped > 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body) > > Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired. > > In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings. > Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity. > > So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again. > > Namah Sivaya > Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj > > Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote: > > I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion. > > It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me. > > Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas. > > > suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Please note: > this is not superstition, but a fact. > There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period > family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights. > > Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones > funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples. > > I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have > mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do? > > regards, > suresh > > , kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: > > > > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the > > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession..... > > > > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is > > misunderstanding...... > > > > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or > something > > like that...... > > > > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means > > anything........ > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > suresh wrote: > > > > > > > > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord, > > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple. > > > > > > And if he/she happens to see a > > > > > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident > on > > > way to temple. > > > > > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a > Crematorium > > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals. > > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals. > > > > > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the > temple, > > > or should he/she return back home. > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiv Sewak > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: IMPORTANT > The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachment(s) is strictly confidential, legally privileged and intended for the named addressee only. 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