if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

February 1, 2007

Dear Kanisk,

I think Pandit Devindra Maharaj has written with scientific and shastrokta explanation is the correct one.

To follow that is left to individual how he sees things.

I wanted to know why? why? it is said not to visit temples and the right answer

is certainly given by Pandit dev. Maharaj

And about Siddhi, now even i dont go for any siddhi, Look i am a common man

why i should go for it, i have realized that fact.

So now i have turned to Bhakti Marg, ie. chanting shani Maha mantra morning and evening. sometimes in bus / train or at free time. thats all

bye

regards

suresh

regards,

suresh

kanishk <kc3377 > wrote:

see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is misunderstanding......

many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or something like that......

i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means anything........

regards,

kanishk

suresh wrote:

If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

And if he/she happens to see a

Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident on

way to temple.

Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a Crematorium

Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the temple,

or should he/she return back home.

Please guide me.

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February 2, 2007

Thats right dear sir, these siddhi's are a really a

double edged sword....You can misuse it and also put

it for good use.....so its better not to in for it at

all....there many ways to reach god....

Gyan marg

Yoga marg

Karm marg

and Bhakti marg....

they say that not even gyani not even a karm yogi not

even a yogi but only a bhakt reaches god....

his love for god makes him reach there...the supreme

abode....

They say "Bhagwan Bhakt ke adheen hote hain"....

But they take tough tests....

The path of sadhana may be easy but the path of bhakti

is not....

They day you say "i love you my lord"....that day you

test begins....

But if you have a guru then it is best to do what he

tells you to do....

As they say: Gurur Brahma, gurur Vishnu, grur devo

maheshwara, gurur sakshat parabrahma tasmaye shri

guruve namah"....

The position of a guru is greater than of even

parents....but he should be a sad-guru....not an evil

guru..

If you want a guru...just pray to lord that you need a

guru who can guide you....the lord is always

compassionate on his devotee's, if he feels right he

will guide you a blessed saint who can be your

guru....

regards,

kanishk

--- SURESH HALEANGADI <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

> Dear Kanisk,

>

> I think Pandit Devindra Maharaj has written with

> scientific and shastrokta explanation is the correct

> one.

>

> To follow that is left to individual how he sees

> things.

>

> I wanted to know why? why? it is said not to visit

> temples and the right answer

> is certainly given by Pandit dev. Maharaj

>

> And about Siddhi, now even i dont go for any

> siddhi, Look i am a common man

> why i should go for it, i have realized that fact.

>

> So now i have turned to Bhakti Marg, ie. chanting

> shani Maha mantra morning and evening. sometimes in

> bus / train or at free time. thats all

>

> bye

> regards

> suresh

>

> regards,

> suresh

>

> kanishk <kc3377 > wrote:

> see i was going to my office....i was just

> about to cross the road....when i happened to come

> across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why

> everybody is misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is

> Auspicious....or something like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it

> ever means anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of

> Lord,

> or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at

> the temple.

>

> And if he/she happens to see a

>

> Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a

> murder/or accident on

> way to temple.

>

> Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried

> to a Crematorium

> Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

>

> I wish to know should the devotee undertake his

> journey to the temple,

> or should he/she return back home.

>

> Please guide me.

>

> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for -

> Answers

February 2, 2007

Dear Pandit Dev Maharaj,

Thank you for your detailed response; I fully appreciate your view and accept your right to to this concept. I, on the other hand, as I said previously, reject all such concepts as I seek libertation from all these worldly notions which create bondage.

I am setting out my own feelings here but wish to preface them with an assurance that these are not intended as any form of argument and certainly not to be taken personally as I do not wish to offend or upset anyone. I am simply on a journey of introspection and trying to reconcile my developing dispassion with all that I hear and read about God etc.

I think that Mahamuni Das's question; What is impure about cremation grounds? is very valid particularly as it is accepted that Lord Shiva Himself is present in these grounds. The comment that this is all brahminism finds favour with me in this context.

What or who is a brahmin? I shall not pretend that I know the answer to this in a traditional sense in hinduism, but do do not accept that a person is brahmin by birth and therefore reject any notion of a caste system. In my view, a brahmin is somone who has reached enlightenment and recognises Brahman as being one and all. Someone who observes Brahaman or the Supreme Conscious not someone who simply follows a code of conduct.

Moving on, if Lord Shiva pervades everything and is present in all beings, whether animate or inanimate, what is there to become impure? I am sure that we all believe that Lord Shiva is in all, and that this includes non-hindus, then what about christian churches which stand in the middle of burial grounds, none of these rules appear to apply to them.

If there is only Brahaman, which I believe to be the case, then where does the concept of duality come from? What is then meant by all and sundry if all is in fact Shiva alone? These ideas cannot co-exist similar to the idea that the darkness can exist in the sun or that I venture out looking for the darkness with a lantern. As to becoming impure by just being in proximity to someone else is totally unacceptable to me. I am not affected by anyone and I wish to reach that state where I am not affected by my own actions. Please forgive me everyone, but the notion that being in contact with someone who is impure leading to pain is laughable.

As to your comment that I am free to reject these rule but with the injunction that I do not go to the temple without bathing etc is also something that I reject. I am indeed free and I come and go wherever and whenever I please because I am not bound.

As Vasistha Muni says unto Ram in the Yoga Vasistha (the Supreme Yoga by Swami Venkateshanda Ji) "Accept the truth, even if it is uttered by a small child and reject that which is untrue even is spoken by Lord Brahma himself"

Thank you once again for your comments but I indeed reject them all as untrue and walk my own path to enlightenment and wish you well on your journey.

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

-

Dev Maharaj

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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February 2, 2007

Excellent response.

rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote: With due regard to the conceptual life, all religion is also a concept only and so is the detail given below, I would like to submit that purity or impurity is only in mind, there is no factual purity. The mind which is already conditioned about what is pure and what is impure. Any discussion won't lead the group anywhere.

Concentraten on self, its actions and its intentions honestly. The discussions will melt away

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

-

Dev Maharaj

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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February 2, 2007

Dear Chandrashekar,

I wished I had read your message before posting my response today. You have summed up my views and feelings very well here.

chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake > wrote:

Dear Suresh,

Thank you very much for your posting on an important subject. I have gone through different views expressed in postings. I have a different personal opinion. I do not see any perticular reason not to go to temple in such situation. All the rituals are man made for some or the other reason. God is the supreme power. Everything becomes pure when it reaches to the God or temple etc.

In other religions like Christanity and Islam, such rituals are not there. In fact, dead body is first taken to the Church or to the Mosque for the last homage for the dead. Only after the last prayer body is burried in the area of the Church or the Mosque. In Islam, it is believed that if you are in the mosque at the time of body is brought to the Mosque and though if the dead person is not known to you, one should attend this prayer to pay homage to the dead. This prayer is called as 'Namaz-E-Janaja'.

We all here believe in the Lord Shiva. Our Lord stays in 'Samshan' or creamation place. He is also known as 'Samshan Vasi' i.e. the one who stays in Samshan. Lord Shiva is also known as the God of death. We believe that after death a person goes to Shiva Loka or Kailas. Vaishnavas believe that the dead goes to Vaikuntha.

Bhasma Pooja is also offered to the Lord Shiva. At Ujjain, the Jyotirlinga Mahankaleshwar is offered the Bhasma Pooja every day in the morning at 3.30 AM.

It is important to note that generally there is a Shiva temple in the cremation place. At least in our state i.e. Maharashtra State.

All religions are one and the God is one. Everything becomes pure after reaching the God.

Thanking you and with best wishes,

Chandrashekhar Phadke

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

And if he/she happens to see a

Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident on

way to temple.

Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a Crematorium

Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the temple,

or should he/she return back home.

Please guide me.

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February 2, 2007

Dear Pandit Ji,

My reasoning, views and belief is based upon the teachings of Lord Valmiki, expounded in the Yoga Vasistha and as taught in the original by Lord Valmiki to His disciple Bharadwaj Ji and presented in the written form in the Yoga Vasistha as enlightened discourse between Lord Ram and his Guru Vasistha Muni Ji.

I have a number of translations of this holy scripture and the one I am studying at the moment is "The Supreme Yoga" also known as "Vasistha's Yoga", translated from the original by Swami Venkatesananda Ji. Please follow the link below.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vasisthas-Yoga-Swami-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/sr=8-1/qid=1170418983/ref=sr_1_1/202-5161496-4973447?ie=UTF8&s=books

Thank you for your time and effort.

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj > wrote:

Namaskaar

There really is no debate here but a dissemination of knowledge, now I would like to clarify the following :

Firstly there were many responses to this question and many stated what they "believed" without furnishing one shred of reasoning other that what they wanted to project. It is to be noted that what I mentioned before were the original ideas as to why these practices developed. It is also to be noted that within Shaivism there are various school of thought and also practice.

______________

Shaivism is one of four principal denominations of Hinduism, in which Shiva is revered as the Supreme Being. Through history Shaivism has developed a vast array of lineages and traditions, each with unique philosophic-cultural-linguistic characteristics. Six schools of Shaivism are traditionally recognized: Shaiva Siddhanta, Pashupata Shaivism, Kashmir Shaivism, Veerashaivism, Siddha Siddhanta and Shiva Advaita.

______________

within tantra also there are three types of Mutts - Kaula, Samaya and Mishra

What is to be noted is that within each of these there are variances in belief, teaching and practice. Further why all of the divisions have developed is due to variance in consciousness and evolution of the people. For a man who is not very well developed, the practice of Pasupata Shaivism would be appealing whereas to one who is really developed Shiva Advaita would be appropriate.

So to make pronouncements about the self to a person who has trouble figuring out how to perceive the energy of a Murti where the prana prathistha is done, makes little or no sense to that individual. That said, there are some specific points to be addressed ( given by various contributors)

1) What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

2) "During kali puja the idol of Kali is placed in samsan and puja is performed in Bengal,Ghat (Vibudhi) is applied on shiv ling in Shiv temples at ujjain.

Tara ma devi is in Samsan and worshipped in tarapit at W Bengal."

3) We all here believe in the Lord Shiva. Our Lord stays in 'Samshan' or cremation place. He is also known as 'Samshan Vasi' i.e. the one who stays in Samshan. Lord Shiva is also known as the God of death. We believe that after death a person goes to Shiva Loka or Kailas.

----

All of these points are valid and are factual. Lord Shiva is also called by the name "Bhutapati" - Father of demons

Now the original temple of both Lord Shiva and Kali Ma is in the samshan, the reason is that this is a doorway to other universal dimensions, the energy of Lord Shiva and Kali Ma both are very easily contacted in the samshan.

In a previous email I wrote :

Shiva is the God of all things, therefore nothing can exist without him and so even what we perceive as impurity exists in him. But there is an interesting thing to note, he is described as ever pure and untouched by impurity even though he is described as dwelling in a cremation ground, ( considered Asaucha ). So how is this then ? Is he pure or impure ? How does he maintain this purity ?

At our level of mind we perceive pure and impure, but in old tantrik works there is what is described as the "unmani" state of mind - seeing no differentiation

There is a metaphysical secret that here cannot be shared- (only to initiates under supervision of a guru who will use it responsibly) . I will tell you though that by meditating on Bindu and attaining this state of unmani, by covering oneself with the light and energy from the Bindu - all faults , negative energies and bad vibrations are transmuted into light. This is the art of remaining pure even in surroundings that are considered impure.

To summarize

Physics is telling us that all things are in a state of perpetual Vibration - Lord Shiva in the form of Ugra is the Lord of Vibration. So we see that the universe and the Lord are not different. The efforts of how to study the Lord from a scientific point of view or from a religious one is therefore dependent on the state of evolution of the investigator, what we are seeing is that both science and religion are looking at the same thing from two different perspectives !

A Brahmin who is bred to believe and practice Saucha may consider a Samshan

to be impure. For the reason that his consciousness and energy vibrates differently from the energy in the Samshan. However, to an Aghori who lives in the Samshan his energy is in sympathy with that of what is in the Samshan while practicing "unmani" state of mind and so he feels no discomfort.So we see that both the Brahmin and the Aghori are actually doing the same thing in two different ways !

There is no common answer that will satisfy all, but to understand each point from its unique perspective. However we will be careful to also understand that the reality of both will become different due to the state of vibration of ones' energy that is developed. Which is why we need to be careful about broad brushing points !

rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 > wrote:

With due regard to the conceptual life, all religion is also a concept only and so is the detail given below, I would like to submit that purity or impurity is only in mind, there is no factual purity. The mind which is already conditioned about what is pure and what is impure. Any discussion won't lead the group anywhere.

Concentraten on self, its actions and its intentions honestly. The discussions will melt away

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

-

Dev Maharaj

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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February 3, 2007

Namaskaar

You see this is where there are always problems in Hinduism (or if you will in different sects, Shaivism, Shaktism etc... ) We confuse ideas of personal Sadhana with that set of Dharmic injunctions given for societal purposes.

You will agree that for a child to develop he must go through the process of being able to creep, stand, walk, run, then he masters movement at an advanced level. In the process of learning these he makes many mistakes and falls and is given pain many times until he learns.

This child is everyone of us, we are not born enlightened nor are we all of similar intelligence, therefore, these rules and injunctions are given for people of varying evolution in terms of consciousness. To stress or impose the one true path (your own path) as absolute and every thing else as false and of no value betrays self-righteousness.

*** then what about christian churches which stand in the middle of burial

grounds, none of these rules appear to apply to them.

and who says Christianity is anything like what we teach at all. The only two ideas of Christianity that are similar - Devotional Service and Selfless love which are akin to Bhakti and Karma Yogas . FYI in some of the ancient texts of Christianity that I have read - Fasting and purification for 13 days is also recommended before performance of rituals. Ref. The Greater key of Solomon. At present outside of the Catholic and Spiritual Shouter Baptists

no rituals of any kind are performed in any Christian denomination.

In any Church Prana Prathistha of Murtis are not done nor is any kind of evocation or invocations. It is recitations of Hymms and recitation of prayers, which can be done anywhere anyhow. Please let us not confuse Christian and Islamic ideas with those of Hinduism (in a very broad sense) as while they may hold some similar positions, they are not the same ideology at all. The science of rituals has its own set of rules and injunctions.

***Please forgive me everyone, but the notion that being in contact with someone who is impure leading to pain is laughable.

Laughable for you, I have personally had this experience on many occasions, shall I reject my experience in favor of your argument or personal feelings.

Sorry but I don't think so. I have also had the experience where after performing Sandhya Puja and Japa intensively I have come into contact with people that I knew to be physically unclean, let alone other types of impurities and because my aura was shielded with light I felt absolutely nothing !

When I Jhaare ( use of mantras to cure disease ) people, on many occasions I can actually feel energy moving in them and experience some of their thoughts and emotions. Shall I reject 20 Years of practice and experience based on someone else's ideas then ? I am always willing to learn new things and I understand precisely what you are saying. From your writing and the attitude you project, I might be wrong but would tend to assume that you are from one of the Natha Panths or a Kaula. These ideas while valid and relevant to its practitioner are not suitable to all.

***As to your comment that I am free to reject these rule but with the injunction that I do not go to the temple without bathing etc is also something that I reject. I am indeed free and I come and go wherever and whenever I please because I am not bound.

If you are so free and unbound, you can find Brahman right inside of you. Why bother go to a temple at all ?