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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

[These are words of a high order Yogi of Siddhashram. We may have difficulty in understanding this and defining on the basis of our little experience, still there is something to tell us that answers and destination come through sadhna only]

Do not increase your wants out of control. This is the cause of pain and suffering. The more you increase the size of pond more you need water for it. No matter what others do not try to imitate them. Do as per your own circumstances and do not be ashamed of it. We ourselves are creator of deficiency. First creating a deficiency on your own then always keeping yourself busy in removing it, what is the need of undergoing various sufferings in this manner?

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

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Hi Ajay

 

Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office, kindly dont

flood group with so many mails.

You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

 

Regards

Vikram

 

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Jai Gurudeva,

Dear Vikramji,

Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with the help of this science.

fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you have chances for suggestions"

Jai Gurudeva,

Param

 

Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde (AT) lntinfotech (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi Ajay

 

Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office, kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

 

Regards

Vikram

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I certainly would not read mails if in a day 100 mails come to my mail

box...if the same mails can be distributed over a period of say 1 year..i

would be able to read all mails..and hence would digest each over a period

of time..why sender should exhoust in a day sending all mails in one

shot...

 

wrote on 02/06/2007 11:37:21 AM:

 

> Jai Gurudeva,

>

> Dear Vikramji,

>

> Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from the

> sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this knowledge

> at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called as bad

> manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge through

> which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you do not

> have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than preventing

> other Gurubhais to send mails.

>

> Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

> the help of this science.

>

> fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you have

> chances for suggestions"

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

> Param

>

>

> Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde (AT) lntinfotech (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Hi Ajay

>

> Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

>

> Regards

> Vikram

> ____________________

>

> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

>

> ____________________

 

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k guys, chill...

 

Why dont we go for the middle path? A win-win situation? I mean, i

feel both the views are correct. Without a shadow of doubt, words of

Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali are "precious" but sending them out in this

manner, like spam is not good... infact it lessens their utility to

some extent. I also wait for these words... i also want to read and

analyze them in my life... but we can do it in a better/systemized way.

 

Instead of sending many mails, u can post one combined mail.

 

That will make things simpler for the one who posts, simpler for the

group moderators(as they need to check only one post) and simpler for

the interested readers also!

 

Plz, instead of going against each other straight away and blaming

each other... why not move together and brainstorm to find a better

way? And plz, main thing, polightness can be felt, words r just the

containers...

 

So do we have deal? Or we have a better Idea?

 

 

, Siddha Sevak <paramshishya wrote:

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

>

> Dear Vikramji,

>

> Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from the

sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this knowledge at

anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called as bad manners

to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge through which

lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you do not have time

to read mails you can skip reading mails than preventing other

Gurubhais to send mails.

>

> Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

the help of this science.

>

> fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you

have chances for suggestions"

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

> Param

>

>

> Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde wrote:

>

> Hi Ajay

>

> Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

>

> Regards

> Vikram

> ____________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

>

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Jai Gurudeva,

Dear Vikramji,

Guruji himself has written more than 150 books within 60 years of life span, which is a valuable ancient treasure for coming generation and it is our Duty/Dharm to promote this knowledge so that it reaches all corners of this world, After 30 yrs neither you exist nor me, hence it is our duty to ensure, promote this science/knowledge reaches every individual when we are alive.

Mails sent by Ajay gurubhai carries true values and has a reference from the text written by Gurudeva, hence it is not advisable to restrict such mails, however i would agree such mails should be streamlined and posted as one document collection in the website every week or month so that effort is put to preserve these divine words blessed, showered as responsibilities to pass on us.

We need to understand the deeper meaning of these divine words sent in Ajay's mail which has impact on our internal growth and purification

I would like to insist you that being a Gurubhai you need to be more polite,civilized in your language in mails sent by you earlier, since our language in mails gives impression of our actions and thoughts,

Also we should always keep a note to promote/wait for collective decisions than giving individual views/opinions hence i would like suggest if you want to read these mails over a period of one year and limit yourself to grow your knowledge i have no issues,

and fyi...No Gurubhai can get exhausted when he is under the shade of the divine sadguru with unlimited collection of divine knowledge/words.

Please feel free to communicate to my personal id incase if you have any issues

Jai Gurudeva

Param

Jodhpur

Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde (AT) lntinfotech (DOT) com> wrote:

I certainly would not read mails if in a day 100 mails come to my mail box...if the same mails can be distributed over a period of say 1 year..i would be able to read all mails..and hence would digest each over a period of time..why sender should exhoust in a day sending all mails in one shot...

 

wrote on 02/06/2007 11:37:21 AM:

 

> Jai Gurudeva,

>

> Dear Vikramji,

>

> Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from the

> sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this knowledge

> at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called as bad

> manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge through

> which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you do not

> have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than preventing

> other Gurubhais to send mails.

>

> Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

> the help of this science.

>

> fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you have

> chances for suggestions"

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

> Param

>

>

> Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde (AT) lntinfotech (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Hi Ajay

>

> Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

>

> Regards

> Vikram

> ____________________

>

> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

>

> ____________________

____________________

 

 

 

 

 

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In ... there is an option to expand many messages in the same

page (goto messages and click on "expand" on the upper left corner, that

will show you complete emails of all the messages in that one page.

 

An example would like like this ->

/messages/10125?xm=1&m=e&l=1

 

So if you do not want to click on 20 different messages to read them ...

you can read them all in one page.

 

In you can also choose to recieve "digests"... which

basically combine a lot of emails into one.

Just consider that digest as your "once-a-week-email".

 

 

, "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in

wrote:

>

> k guys, chill...

>

> Why dont we go for the middle path? A win-win situation? I mean, i

> feel both the views are correct. Without a shadow of doubt, words of

> Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali are "precious" but sending them out in this

> manner, like spam is not good... infact it lessens their utility to

> some extent. I also wait for these words... i also want to read and

> analyze them in my life... but we can do it in a better/systemized way.

>

> Instead of sending many mails, u can post one combined mail.

>

> That will make things simpler for the one who posts, simpler for the

> group moderators(as they need to check only one post) and simpler for

> the interested readers also!

>

> Plz, instead of going against each other straight away and blaming

> each other... why not move together and brainstorm to find a better

> way? And plz, main thing, polightness can be felt, words r just the

> containers...

>

> So do we have deal? Or we have a better Idea?

>

>

> , Siddha Sevak <paramshishya@> wrote:

> >

> > Jai Gurudeva,

> >

> > Dear Vikramji,

> >

> > Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from the

> sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this knowledge at

> anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called as bad manners

> to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge through which

> lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you do not have time

> to read mails you can skip reading mails than preventing other

> Gurubhais to send mails.

> >

> > Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

> the help of this science.

> >

> > fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you

> have chances for suggestions"

> >

> > Jai Gurudeva,

> > Param

> >

> >

> > Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Ajay

> >

> > Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> > You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

> >

> > Regards

> > Vikram

> > ____________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> >

>

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

We should end the matter here. There can not be any compromise if

anything is said against Sadhnas or Gurudev. In this case it is just

a personal comment. It would be better if we end it here. Thanks for

your mail.

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

, Siddha Sevak <paramshishya

wrote:

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

>

> Dear Vikramji,

>

> Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from

the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this

knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called

as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge

through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you

do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than

preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

>

> Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

the help of this science.

>

> fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you

have chances for suggestions"

>

> Jai Gurudeva,

> Param

>

>

> Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde wrote:

>

> Hi Ajay

>

> Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

>

> Regards

> Vikram

>

___________________

_

>

>

>

>

>

>

> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

>

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First thing, "no one" here said anything against gurudev or

Sadhnas... so plz dont change the topic all together. Thats ur

inference.

 

Second thing, some of us here check the group messages through

emails... someone here gave an idea of changing my subcripion to

consider the messages as digest as "once-a-week- email". Why should i

do that just to change the way i see one persons messages?

 

Third thing, all that i asked for was... "An arranged way" of doing

things, sure Ajay should send all those msgs, they are precious,

send them daily, but in 1 mail, plz be systematic... but u r stubborn

about spamming. Instead, to get ur upper hand in the convo u change

the topic all togther by saying "his issue is all together against

gurudev and sadhnas... one should not talk about it..."

 

k then fine, if u have made up ur mind to be stubborn about an

unorganized way of doing things, then ur wish... maybe thats what the

majority of people here want, but plz... everyone, dont change the

topic all togerther by saing "something was said against gurudev or

sadhnas". I hope i have made the issue very clear, rest i leave to

god.

 

Bol dhakey bangal ki jay, bol mai kalka ki jay.

Om Namah Shivay.

 

 

, "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

wrote:

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

> We should end the matter here. There can not be any compromise if

> anything is said against Sadhnas or Gurudev. In this case it is

just

> a personal comment. It would be better if we end it here. Thanks

for

> your mail.

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

> , Siddha Sevak <paramshishya@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jai Gurudeva,

> >

> > Dear Vikramji,

> >

> > Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from

> the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this

> knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called

> as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge

> through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you

> do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than

> preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

> >

> > Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

> the help of this science.

> >

> > fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you

> have chances for suggestions"

> >

> > Jai Gurudeva,

> > Param

> >

> >

> > Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Ajay

> >

> > Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> > You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

> >

> > Regards

> > Vikram

> >

>

___________________

> _

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> >

>

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Come on scorpion, you dont want to change yourself but want the world to

change for you????

 

I am not referring to gurudham/anything, but am pointing out the basic

instinct of a person. You want others to behave as per your wish, but will

not control your own behaviour (no negative thing here).

 

You are asking but not requesting , how can you ask/demand/order some

body else to change? We can just request others to see the merit in my

request and change the behaviour accordingly if the other person finds merit

in my request. This is the basic respect we should give to other person. We

should not try to change other person's behaviour because we are not feeling

comfortable with that person?

 

Hope it doesn't starts a email war.

 

On 2/12/07, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote:

>

> First thing, "no one" here said anything against gurudev or

> Sadhnas... so plz dont change the topic all together. Thats ur

> inference.

>

> Second thing, some of us here check the group messages through

> emails... someone here gave an idea of changing my subcripion to

> consider the messages as digest as "once-a-week- email". Why should i

> do that just to change the way i see one persons messages?

>

> Third thing, all that i asked for was... "An arranged way" of doing

> things, sure Ajay should send all those msgs, they are precious,

> send them daily, but in 1 mail, plz be systematic... but u r stubborn

> about spamming. Instead, to get ur upper hand in the convo u change

> the topic all togther by saying "his issue is all together against

> gurudev and sadhnas... one should not talk about it..."

>

> k then fine, if u have made up ur mind to be stubborn about an

> unorganized way of doing things, then ur wish... maybe thats what the

> majority of people here want, but plz... everyone, dont change the

> topic all togerther by saing "something was said against gurudev or

> sadhnas". I hope i have made the issue very clear, rest i leave to

> god.

>

> Bol dhakey bangal ki jay, bol mai kalka ki jay.

> Om Namah Shivay.

>

> <%40>,

> "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> > We should end the matter here. There can not be any compromise if

> > anything is said against Sadhnas or Gurudev. In this case it is

> just

> > a personal comment. It would be better if we end it here. Thanks

> for

> > your mail.

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Siddha

> Sevak <paramshishya@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > >

> > > Dear Vikramji,

> > >

> > > Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from

> > the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this

> > knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be called

> > as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the knowledge

> > through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if you

> > do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than

> > preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

> > >

> > > Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> > individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete with

> > the help of this science.

> > >

> > > fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when you

> > have chances for suggestions"

> > >

> > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > > Param

> > >

> > >

> > > Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Ajay

> > >

> > > Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> > kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> > > You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Vikram

> > >

> >

> ________

> > _

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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As a member of this group, i think i also hold the right to put

forward a "suggestion" (it was not a command/order/demand as u

interpret, it cannot be). I brought forward a suggestion, it was

dropped, thats what happened, allright i'll take that too.

 

But u made a personal aquistion on me... without even knowing me u

said "you will not change yourself" (as if u tested that thing in me

personally). About changing myself... you dont need to explain

the "Requesting Vs Demanding" theory, i am well aware of it, i

practice it daily in ethical (not forceful) hypnotherapy. I am

forever a student, learning hence changing, thats why i am here. If i

am wrong, then i should shut up and change. But do you mean to say

being systematic is wrong?

 

Anyhow, now the question is answered i "asked" (this does not mean

demanded) for a systematic way, but i think majority people want it

the other way round so i also have to respect the choice of

majority... thats it.

 

Om Namah Shivay

 

, "Uma Shankar Ladha"

<umashankar.ladha wrote:

>

> Come on scorpion, you dont want to change yourself but want the

world to

> change for you????

>

> I am not referring to gurudham/anything, but am pointing out the

basic

> instinct of a person. You want others to behave as per your wish,

but will

> not control your own behaviour (no negative thing here).

>

> You are asking but not requesting , how can you

ask/demand/order some

> body else to change? We can just request others to see the merit in

my

> request and change the behaviour accordingly if the other person

finds merit

> in my request. This is the basic respect we should give to other

person. We

> should not try to change other person's behaviour because we are

not feeling

> comfortable with that person?

>

> Hope it doesn't starts a email war.

>

> On 2/12/07, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

> >

> > First thing, "no one" here said anything against gurudev or

> > Sadhnas... so plz dont change the topic all together. Thats ur

> > inference.

> >

> > Second thing, some of us here check the group messages through

> > emails... someone here gave an idea of changing my subcripion to

> > consider the messages as digest as "once-a-week- email". Why

should i

> > do that just to change the way i see one persons messages?

> >

> > Third thing, all that i asked for was... "An arranged way" of

doing

> > things, sure Ajay should send all those msgs, they are precious,

> > send them daily, but in 1 mail, plz be systematic... but u r

stubborn

> > about spamming. Instead, to get ur upper hand in the convo u

change

> > the topic all togther by saying "his issue is all together against

> > gurudev and sadhnas... one should not talk about it..."

> >

> > k then fine, if u have made up ur mind to be stubborn about an

> > unorganized way of doing things, then ur wish... maybe thats what

the

> > majority of people here want, but plz... everyone, dont change the

> > topic all togerther by saing "something was said against gurudev

or

> > sadhnas". I hope i have made the issue very clear, rest i leave to

> > god.

> >

> > Bol dhakey bangal ki jay, bol mai kalka ki jay.

> > Om Namah Shivay.

> >

> > <%40>,

> > "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > > We should end the matter here. There can not be any compromise

if

> > > anything is said against Sadhnas or Gurudev. In this case it is

> > just

> > > a personal comment. It would be better if we end it here. Thanks

> > for

> > > your mail.

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

Siddha

> > Sevak <paramshishya@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vikramji,

> > > >

> > > > Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from

> > > the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this

> > > knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be

called

> > > as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the

knowledge

> > > through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if

you

> > > do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than

> > > preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> > > individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete

with

> > > the help of this science.

> > > >

> > > > fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when

you

> > > have chances for suggestions"

> > > >

> > > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > > > Param

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Ajay

> > > >

> > > > Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> > > kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> > > > You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Vikram

> > > >

> > >

> > ________

> > > _

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Umesh

>

> If you are an eagle, don't waste time with chickens.....chickens

cannot FLY.

>

> umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu

>

> "Take no pride in facts memorized, but in ideas grasped."â€"Chris

Crawford

>

> visit http://rupeemanager.blogspot.com

>

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Hey dont take any comments personally... I told the statement "you will not

change yourself" with respect to the request/demand/asking of the mail

thing. I personally dont know you, then I cant comment about yourself as a

whole. I am commenting on the mail. So you can understand that I am making

this statement based on the mail and not on you. I am sorry, if you felt it

was personal aquisition. I am sorry for that.

 

I am not saying being systematic is wrong. There is nothing here in white

and black. Things which are wrong from your perspective may be right for

some body else.

 

Take for an example of a startup company, if they are systematic, then they

may not even survive. This is because their strength of immediately

responding to the oppurtunity will be lost if they are systematic. But in

the case of bigger companies, being systematic is their strength or their

company will be in chaos.

 

Everybody has a right to make their views known to everybody. Well, you have

put a full stop to this issue. Let the issue be buried.

 

On 2/14/07, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote:

>

> As a member of this group, i think i also hold the right to put

> forward a "suggestion" (it was not a command/order/demand as u

> interpret, it cannot be). I brought forward a suggestion, it was

> dropped, thats what happened, allright i'll take that too.

>

> But u made a personal aquistion on me... without even knowing me u

> said "you will not change yourself" (as if u tested that thing in me

> personally). About changing myself... you dont need to explain

> the "Requesting Vs Demanding" theory, i am well aware of it, i

> practice it daily in ethical (not forceful) hypnotherapy. I am

> forever a student, learning hence changing, thats why i am here. If i

> am wrong, then i should shut up and change. But do you mean to say

> being systematic is wrong?

>

> Anyhow, now the question is answered i "asked" (this does not mean

> demanded) for a systematic way, but i think majority people want it

> the other way round so i also have to respect the choice of

> majority... thats it.

>

> Om Namah Shivay

>

> <%40>, "Uma Shankar

> Ladha"

> <umashankar.ladha wrote:

> >

> > Come on scorpion, you dont want to change yourself but want the

> world to

> > change for you????

> >

> > I am not referring to gurudham/anything, but am pointing out the

> basic

> > instinct of a person. You want others to behave as per your wish,

> but will

> > not control your own behaviour (no negative thing here).

> >

> > You are asking but not requesting , how can you

> ask/demand/order some

> > body else to change? We can just request others to see the merit in

> my

> > request and change the behaviour accordingly if the other person

> finds merit

> > in my request. This is the basic respect we should give to other

> person. We

> > should not try to change other person's behaviour because we are

> not feeling

> > comfortable with that person?

> >

> > Hope it doesn't starts a email war.

> >

> > On 2/12/07, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

> > >

> > > First thing, "no one" here said anything against gurudev or

> > > Sadhnas... so plz dont change the topic all together. Thats ur

> > > inference.

> > >

> > > Second thing, some of us here check the group messages through

> > > emails... someone here gave an idea of changing my subcripion to

> > > consider the messages as digest as "once-a-week- email". Why

> should i

> > > do that just to change the way i see one persons messages?

> > >

> > > Third thing, all that i asked for was... "An arranged way" of

> doing

> > > things, sure Ajay should send all those msgs, they are precious,

> > > send them daily, but in 1 mail, plz be systematic... but u r

> stubborn

> > > about spamming. Instead, to get ur upper hand in the convo u

> change

> > > the topic all togther by saying "his issue is all together against

> > > gurudev and sadhnas... one should not talk about it..."

> > >

> > > k then fine, if u have made up ur mind to be stubborn about an

> > > unorganized way of doing things, then ur wish... maybe thats what

> the

> > > majority of people here want, but plz... everyone, dont change the

> > > topic all togerther by saing "something was said against gurudev

> or

> > > sadhnas". I hope i have made the issue very clear, rest i leave to

> > > god.

> > >

> > > Bol dhakey bangal ki jay, bol mai kalka ki jay.

> > > Om Namah Shivay.

> > >

> > > <%40><%40gr

> oups.com>,

> > > "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > > We should end the matter here. There can not be any compromise

> if

> > > > anything is said against Sadhnas or Gurudev. In this case it is

> > > just

> > > > a personal comment. It would be better if we end it here. Thanks

> > > for

> > > > your mail.

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40><%40gr

> oups.com>,

> Siddha

> > > Sevak <paramshishya@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vikramji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Every Gurubhai has equal right to share his knowledge got from

> > > > the sadguru and every Gurubhai has equal right to share this

> > > > knowledge at anytime which he is convenient of, it would be

> called

> > > > as bad manners to stop or control a Gurubhai to share the

> knowledge

> > > > through which lives can be changed, i would like to advise if

> you

> > > > do not have time to read mails you can skip reading mails than

> > > > preventing other Gurubhais to send mails.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gurudev always dreamt of having this science to reach every

> > > > individual on earth and make themselves fulfilled and complete

> with

> > > > the help of this science.

> > > > >

> > > > > fyi..keep in mind " Our actions should not hurt anyone when

> you

> > > > have chances for suggestions"

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Gurudeva,

> > > > > Param

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vikram Korde <Vikram.Korde@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Ajay

> > > > >

> > > > > Seems dont have much work..we are employees working in office,

> > > > kindly dont flood group with so many mails.

> > > > > You can send such quoted mails once 1 mail in a week.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Vikram

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > ________

> > > > _

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > > > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Umesh

> >

> > If you are an eagle, don't waste time with chickens.....chickens

> cannot FLY.

> >

> > umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu

> >

> > "Take no pride in facts memorized, but in ideas grasped."â€"Chris

> Crawford

> >

> > visit http://rupeemanager.blogspot.com

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Umesh

 

If you are an eagle, don't waste time with chickens.....chickens cannot FLY.

 

umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu

 

"Take no pride in facts memorized, but in ideas grasped."—Chris Crawford

 

visit http://rupeemanager.blogspot.com

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