if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

January 30, 2007

If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

And if he/she happens to see a

Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident on

way to temple.

Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a Crematorium

Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the temple,

or should he/she return back home.

Please guide me.

January 30, 2007

see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

misunderstanding......

many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or something

like that......

i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

anything........

regards,

kanishk

suresh wrote:

>

> If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

>

> And if he/she happens to see a

>

> Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident on

> way to temple.

>

> Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a Crematorium

> Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

>

> I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the temple,

> or should he/she return back home.

>

> Please guide me.

>

January 31, 2007

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

January 31, 2007

Dear Suresh

All living "things" have a spirit or soul , when someone dies it is the

spirit that leaves the physical body and the body returns to the 5

elements. Lord Shiva is present in every thing even in the dead person.

Personally I feel if a person is going to the temple their focus should

be on going to pray and nothing else. What if you see a dead dog on the

road, would we not go to the temple. We are all God's creation.

Kind Regards

Mahendra

>>> "suresh" <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> 01/31/07 11:52 AM >>>

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

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January 31, 2007

yes you are right....

when someone dies in the family you should not visit temples.....for a

few days....or i dont actually remember how many days....for brahmins,

kshatriyas and all castes it is different....

I am a brahmin, bharadwaj gotra.....can you tell me how many days it

would be for me....??

but can someone tell me the reason......what is the reason behind it....??

regards,

kanishk

suresh wrote:

>

> Please note:

> this is not superstition, but a fact.

> There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

> family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

>

> Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

> funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

>

> I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

> mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

>

> regards,

> suresh

>

> <%40>, kanishk <kc3377

> wrote:

> >

> > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

> >

> > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> > misunderstanding......

> >

> > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

> something

> > like that......

> >

> > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> > anything........

> >

> > regards,

> > kanishk

> >

> > suresh wrote:

> > >

> > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> > >

> > > And if he/she happens to see a

> > >

> > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

> on

> > > way to temple.

> > >

> > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

> Crematorium

> > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> > >

> > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

> temple,

> > > or should he/she return back home.

> > >

> > > Please guide me.

> > >

> >

>

January 31, 2007

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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January 31, 2007

Thats what i too believe.....that Shivji is in every living

being......even the animals.....he the param purush........i too believe

that he is in smashan as well as kailash......

regards,

kanishk

Mahendra Bimalkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh

>

> All living "things" have a spirit or soul , when someone dies it is the

> spirit that leaves the physical body and the body returns to the 5

> elements. Lord Shiva is present in every thing even in the dead person.

> Personally I feel if a person is going to the temple their focus should

> be on going to pray and nothing else. What if you see a dead dog on the

> road, would we not go to the temple. We are all God's creation.

>

> Kind Regards

> Mahendra

>

> >>> "suresh" <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in

> <suresh_haleangadi%40.co.in>> 01/31/07 11:52 AM >>>

> Please note:

> this is not superstition, but a fact.

> There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

> family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

>

> Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

> funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

>

> I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

> mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

>

> regards,

> suresh

>

> <%40>, kanishk <kc3377

> wrote:

> >

> > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

> >

> > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> > misunderstanding......

> >

> > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

> something

> > like that......

> >

> > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> > anything........

> >

> > regards,

> > kanishk

> >

> > suresh wrote:

> > >

> > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> > >

> > > And if he/she happens to see a

> > >

> > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

> on

> > > way to temple.

> > >

> > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

> Crematorium

> > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> > >

> > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

> temple,

> > > or should he/she return back home.

> > >

> > > Please guide me.

> > >

> >

>

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January 31, 2007

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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January 31, 2007

Namaskaar Kanishk

When a person who is Brahmin dies, the immediate family members don't visit temples for 9 Days, for all other castes after 10 days.

There is a very complex explanation which i can't go into right now for lack of time but in brief, when you die the environment is considered Asaucha - unclean, due to the energy that is present as well as people crying etc.. and so one being connected to this energy is not considered conducive to worship. As when you are unclean whatever puja you do has erratic/backward results.

It should be noted that there are two categorizations of worship

Nirguna - one worships God for no other reason than praise and thankfulness

Saguna - one worships God for a particular purpose.

Most people in their state of distress are not very mentally competent to perform either properly so it is best to desist until this can be attempted in a controlled state.

Until the Sapindi Karana rite is performed the Soul of the deceased is considered a Preta and because a Preta can attach itself to a relative due to familiarity and likeness of energy, one does not go to a temple as where the Prana Prathistha of a Murti is done, there is a very high energy field. If the Preta is able to, it will attach itself to the koshas of its Host permanently due to the enhanced energy and overpower the consciousness of the relative. The longer it stay the more the condition becomes irreversible as it is blending with the energy of the Host.

This cannot be removed easily by mantras thereafter, also in many of the ancient Tantrik works I have read dead bodies should never be taken to a Shakti temple as there are mantras to infuse a soul into an existing body, if you have a discarnate spirit of an advanced Sadhaka hanging around or a demon that is aware of them, it can enter the body and assume a life. Which is not very desirable as you then cannot destroy the body.

As for pregnancy period family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights for another reason. When a baby is born there is a lot of bacterium that is released into the atmosphere. (Scientifically confirmed by Enterobacter Bacteria )

As you would be aware in ancient times children were born at home and not at hospitals, so for a two week period family members were not allowed to enter temples for reasons of Saucha, as this could cause contagious diseases.

The ancient seers could actually see and feel these pathogens !

Lastly as for the Original question about seeing a dead body before visiting a temple etc.. This is considered an inauspicious omen, (you can get more information from two texts - Shiva Swarodaya and the Agni Purana). The science of omens depends upon your family beliefs and personal subconscious

Vasanas and Samskaras. Therefore a person whose family believed that blood was a sign of victory would take the sight of blood as auspicious, whereas a person whose personal or familial beliefs that blood meant death would take the sight of blood as inauspicious. On the whole though, if one sees this (an inauspicious omen) and intuitively feels uncomfortable then don't go.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regard Pandit Devindra Maharaj

kanishk <kc3377 > wrote: yes you are right....

when someone dies in the family you should not visit temples.....for a few days....or i dont actually remember how many days....for brahmins, kshatriyas and all castes it is different....

I am a brahmin, bharadwaj gotra.....can you tell me how many days it would be for me....??

but can someone tell me the reason......what is the reason behind it....??

regards,

kanishk

suresh wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

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What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

-

Dev Maharaj

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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One question, dear sir, what if someone has been killed by a tantrik and

has become a preta, and that tantrik binds him and makes him do evil

work....does that preta ever get mukti from that yoni??

regards,

kanishk

Dev Maharaj wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Kanishk

> When a person who is Brahmin dies, the immediate family members don't

> visit temples for 9 Days, for all other castes after 10 days.

> There is a very complex explanation which i can't go into right now

> for lack of time but in brief, when you die the environment is

> considered Asaucha - unclean, due to the energy that is present as

> well as people crying etc.. and so one being connected to this

> energy is not considered conducive to worship. As when you are unclean

> whatever puja you do has erratic/backward results.

>

> It should be noted that there are two categorizations of worship

> Nirguna - one worships God for no other reason than praise and

> thankfulness

> Saguna - one worships God for a particular purpose.

>

> Most people in their state of distress are not very mentally competent

> to perform either properly so it is best to desist until this can be

> attempted in a controlled state.

>

> Until the Sapindi Karana rite is performed the Soul of the deceased is

> considered a Preta and because a Preta can attach itself to a relative

> due to familiarity and likeness of energy, one does not go to a temple

> as where the Prana Prathistha of a Murti is done, there is a very high

> energy field. If the Preta is able to, it will attach itself to the

> koshas of its Host permanently due to the enhanced energy and

> overpower the consciousness of the relative. The longer it stay the

> more the condition becomes irreversible as it is blending with the

> energy of the Host.

>

> This cannot be removed easily by mantras thereafter, also in many of

> the ancient Tantrik works I have read dead bodies should never be

> taken to a Shakti temple as there are mantras to infuse a soul into an

> existing body, if you have a discarnate spirit of an advanced Sadhaka

> hanging around or a demon that is aware of them, it can enter the body

> and assume a life. Which is not very desirable as you then cannot

> destroy the body.

>

> As for pregnancy period family members do not visit temples for 16

> days and 16 nights for another reason. When a baby is born there is a

> lot of bacterium that is released into the atmosphere. (Scientifically

> confirmed by Enterobacter Bacteria

> <http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic678.htm> )

> As you would be aware in ancient times children were born at home and

> not at hospitals, so for a two week period family members were not

> allowed to enter temples for reasons of Saucha, as this could cause

> contagious diseases.

>

> The ancient seers could actually see and feel these pathogens !

>

> Lastly as for the Original question about seeing a dead body before

> visiting a temple etc.. This is considered an inauspicious omen, (you

> can get more information from two texts - Shiva Swarodaya and the Agni

> Purana). The science of omens depends upon your family beliefs and

> personal subconscious

> Vasanas and Samskaras. Therefore a person whose family believed that

> blood was a sign of victory would take the sight of blood as

> auspicious, whereas a person whose personal or familial beliefs that

> blood meant death would take the sight of blood as inauspicious. On

> the whole though, if one sees this (an inauspicious omen) and

> intuitively feels uncomfortable then don't go.

>

> Namah Sivaya

> Best Regard Pandit Devindra Maharaj

> */

> kanishk <kc3377 >/* wrote:

>

> yes you are right....

> when someone dies in the family you should not visit

> temples.....for a few days....or i dont actually remember how many

> days....for brahmins, kshatriyas and all castes it is different....

> I am a brahmin, bharadwaj gotra.....can you tell me how many days

> it would be for me....??

> but can someone tell me the reason......what is the reason behind

> it....??

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

>> Please note:

>> this is not superstition, but a fact.

>> There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

>> family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

>>

>> Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

>> funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

>>

>> I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

>> mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

>>

>> regards,

>> suresh

>>

>> <%40>, kanishk

>> <kc3377

>> wrote:

>> >

>> > see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

>> > road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>> >

>> > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

>> > misunderstanding......

>> >

>> > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

>> something

>> > like that......

>> >

>> > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

>> > anything........

>> >

>> > regards,

>> > kanishk

>> >

>> > suresh wrote:

>> > >

>> > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

>> > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

>> > >

>> > > And if he/she happens to see a

>> > >

>> > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

>> on

>> > > way to temple.

>> > >

>> > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

>> Crematorium

>> > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

>> > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

>> > >

>> > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

>> temple,

>> > > or should he/she return back home.

>> > >

>> > > Please guide me.

>> > >

>> >

>>

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See this a really big debate......frankly i dont know what to say.......

regards,

kanishk

Mahamuni Das wrote:

>

> What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

>

> This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu"

> religion.

>

> -

> ** Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj >

> *To:*

> <>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

> *Subject:* Re: Re: if a devotee going to

> a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

>

> Namaskaar

>

> May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please

> although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless

> because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these

> types of concepts.

>

> One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has

> connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense.

> The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths

> (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect),

> Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

>

> This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by

> practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the

> ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is

> about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

>

> A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly

> cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is

> quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are

> considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment

> there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again.

> Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or

> drink water there.

>

> This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming

> into contact with their Aura is

> a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

> b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

> Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

> c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is

> a transposition

> of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean

> person one

> becomes impure.

>

> By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the

> energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins

> to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your

> evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of

> purity required for successful completion of Puja for

> peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas

> (God) they are

>

> 1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

> 2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

> 3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

> 4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

> 5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental

> /astral body)

>

> Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its

> effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

>

> In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to

> make offerings.

> Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are

> specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as

> they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to

> their purity.

>

> So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the

> temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the

> temple again.

>

> Namah Sivaya

> Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

>

> */Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak >/* wrote:

>

> I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that

> should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if

> you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it

> is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then

> attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is

> based upon please although in any event, I will reject the

> notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that

> binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one

> fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing

> but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an

> illusion.

>

> It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will

> affect me.

>

> Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am

> liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

>

> */suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in>/* wrote:

>

> Please note:

> this is not superstition, but a fact.

> There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency

> period

> family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

>

> Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to

> attend someones

> funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja

> in temples.

>

> I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see

> what i have

> mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

>

> regards,

> suresh

>

> <%40>, kanishk

> <kc3377

> wrote:

> >

> > see i was going to my office....i was just about to

> cross the

> > road....when i happened to come across a funeral

> procession....

> >

> > see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> > misunderstanding......

> >

> > many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

> something

> > like that......

> >

> > i am actually curious to know what it means....if it

> ever means

> > anything........

> >

> > regards,

> > kanishk

> >

> > suresh wrote:

> > >

> > > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the

> temple.

> > >

> > > And if he/she happens to see a

> > >

> > > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a

> murder/or accident

> on

> > > way to temple.

> > >

> > > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

> Crematorium

> > > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> > >

> > > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his

> journey to the

> temple,

> > > or should he/she return back home.

> > >

> > > Please guide me.

> > >

> >

>

> *Shiv Sewak*

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February 1, 2007

Exactly.

Both points of view are right. Physical purity has its place until one goes beyond pure and impure. But may just say this just to be lazy.

But I could never understand why people think the cremation grounds are a low place. It is quite the opposite.

But Vedic Brahmanism is a real thing. Priests in just about every culture have always wanted to control the masses thru this type of thing.

BOM!

Surya

-

kanishk

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:06 PM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

See this a really big debate......frankly i dont know what to say.......

regards,

kanishk

Mahamuni Das wrote:

What exactly is impure about the cremation grounds?

This is just Brahmanism and does not speak for all of the "Hindu" religion.

-

Dev Maharaj

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:12 AM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

Namaskaar

May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts.

One of the Pillars of Hinduism is Saucha (Purity) this has connotations in a physical, verbal, mental and spiritual sense. The teaching is that the body is composed of five energy sheaths (koshas) which are Anandamaya (bliss) , Vigynamaya (intellect), Manomaya (mind), Pranamaya (lifeforce ) and Anamaya (food) .

This is purified through spiritual disciplines observed by practicing Brahmins and when it is cleansed it allows you the ability to hear and see God very clearly. Hence the emphasis is about attaining a higher state of vibration of ones energy and power.

A little known side effect of this is that when it is properly cleansed coming into contact with lower grade/negative energies is quite painful. Wen people go to a Smashan (crematorium) they are considered as unclean (Asaucha) as the energy from the environment there pervades and is trapped in their aura, until purified again. Just so that you are aware you are also not allowed to eat or drink water there.

This is why they are not allowed to enter the temple as coming into contact with their Aura is

a) painful for purified Brahmins coming into contact with such persons

b) counter productive to being able to communicate with the particular

Devi/Devata being worshiped due to uncleanliness.

c) affects other worshipers negatively - when auras meet there is a transposition

of energy so that just by sitting in proximity to an unclean person one

becomes impure.

By reciting Gayatri Mantra, what happens is that over time, the energy your body is composed of ( when properly purified) begins to vibrate at a higher level/faster rate which speeds your evolution and state of consciousness. There are also five types of purity required for successful completion of Puja for peaceful/beneficient purposes that is useful with all Devi/Devas (God) they are

1) Sthana Shuddhi - Purification of place of worship

2) Dravya Shuddhi - Purification of articles of worship

3) Bhuta Shuddhi - Purification of elements of ones body

4) Deva Shuddhi - Purification of Devi/Devata being worshipped

5) Atma Shuddhi - Purification of Soul (encompasses ones mental /astral body)

Hence when a puja is performed with people who are unclean, its effects are erratic/backward to what is desired.

In India, all and sundry are not allowed to go to the altar to make offerings.

Whether Brahmin, Kshatriyam Vaisha, Shudra or Dalit. There are specially appointed Pujaris (temple priests) for that purpose as they are given a very rigorous code of conduct as pertains to their purity.

So you are free to reject the rules just please don't go into the temple until you bathe and change your clothes before going to the temple again.

Namah Sivaya

Best Regards Pandit Devindra Maharaj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak > wrote:

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

, kanishk <kc3377.>

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession....

>

> see i am not superstitious...i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding......

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious....or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything........

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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During kali puja the idol of Kali is placed in samsan and puja is performed in Bengal,

Ghat (Vibudhi) is applied on shiv ling in Shiv temples at ujjain.

Tara ma devi is in Samsan and worshipped in tarapit at W Bengal.

But Generally In Hindu Mythology Once we go to samasan for any funeral we take bath and clean up with mantras.

So also any house that who has given birth as it is not " Not clean " mythology says for vedic chantts.

Why , what it is better, let us not do resaerch except some great Vedic Scholar can tell.

it is better let us not see rishi moolam and nadi moolam as per tamil proverb

atj

Shiv Sewak <shiv_sewak >

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:38:12 PM

Re: Re: if a devotee going to a temple happens to see funeral procession then!!!

I have to disagree with this appraisal and any idea that should you happen to come across a funeral procession or if you have attended a smashan (whatever this may be because it is not a word that I am familar with) that you cannot then attend a temple. May I respectfully ask what fact this is based upon please although in any event, I will reject the notion nonetheless because it is this mental conditioning that binds people to these types of concepts. There is only one fact that we have to realise and that is that there is nothing but the supreme conciousness, i.e. Brahman all else is an illusion.

It only affects me if I allow myself to think that it will affect me.

Live by the concept that I am not bound and that I am liberated and do not worry about such ideas.

suresh <suresh_haleangadi@ .co. in> wrote:

Please note:

this is not superstition, but a fact.

There are certain days of Suthik, like death or pregnency period

family members do not visit temples for 16 days and 16 nights.

Similarly if an individual has been to smashan for to attend someones

funeral. Then they should not visit temple or offer pooja in temples.

I want to be more clear with if a devotee happens to see what i have

mentioned earlier then what he/she has to do?

regards,

suresh

om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, kanishk <kc3377

wrote:

>

> see i was going to my office....i was just about to cross the

> road....when i happened to come across a funeral procession.. ..

>

> see i am not superstitious. ..i dont know why everybody is

> misunderstanding. .....

>

> many aged people say many thing that it is Auspicious.. ..or

something

> like that......

>

> i am actually curious to know what it means....if it ever means

> anything.... ....

>

> regards,

> kanishk

>

> suresh wrote:

> >

> > If a devotee who is going to a temple for darshan of Lord,

> > or to do some pooja-archan, or to do some seva at the temple.

> >

> > And if he/she happens to see a

> >

> > Dead Body of Human being - may be unclaimed a murder/or accident

on

> > way to temple.

> >

> > Funeral procession - of a dead person being carried to a

Crematorium

> > Hearse - carrying dead body to hospitals.

> > seeing Dead bodies in hospitals.

> >

> > I wish to know should the devotee undertake his journey to the

temple,

> > or should he/she return back home.

> >

> > Please guide me.

> >

>

Shiv Sewak

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Some( the doer - the tantrik )one will reap for this karma in next life cycle .

How much Lord will decide but it is in N log and same may be reflected in next cycle of life for that doer.

Pl read Garuda puranam . But this can be read and heard only from any Brhamin whose house do karma after 10 days of departed soul

Lot of message in this and people will never do bad in their rest of life if once heard

atj

kanishk <kc3377 >

Thursday, February 1, 2007 8:19:35 AM