RE: Where are the facts?

[Guest guest]

Sumchicki,

Brilliant response Sumchicki... But actually I think you give Mark

too much credit. There is no evidence of any mind working between his ears

due to the fact that he has become fully indoctrinated into Gangaji's self

induced spiritual lobotomy mudha-sanga philosophy.

 

As far as the very GOOD questions put forth by Red Lotusblossom...

you are making the deadly mistake of thinking! That is against everything

Gangaji stands for! She has absolutely NO interest in actually looking at

any facts what to speak of trying to discuss them! She is a bogus fraud

who can not offer you anything of any substance nor does she practice what

she preaches as is evident by the obsession she has with her own comforts

and external appearance. (IE: Need for a face lift.) OF course that type of

pragmatic thinking is also not allowed! If her advaita philosophy is such

a wonderful way to live, then why doesn't she practice it herself? No, Just

do as she says... Not as she does! A Tell-tale symptoms of another

new-age-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-cheating-guru!

 

I would strongly suggest you not watch any more of her self

indulging tapes but instead go back and re-read the extensive comments I

have already provided to this Blog. If you do so with a truly unbiased

attitude, it will become more clear why no mature aspiring transcendentalist

would ever accept her "What's In It For Me Guru Charade" as anything more

significant then a circus side show.

 

Either get a lobotomy or find a real guru who can answer your

questions properly instead of just dodging them with the same word juggling

rhetoric that has become the Gangaji trademark. Krishna instructs Arjuna to

conquer his mind, not toss it out!

 

"For one who has conquer the mind, the mind is the best of friends,

and for he who has failed to do so, the very mind is his greatest enemy" -

Bg. 6.6

 

Start reading "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" by Bhaktivedanta Swami if you

want real spiritual advice which has been applauded by scholars all over the

world for the last 40 years. It can be found at the following link:

http://vedabase.net/bg/en

 

If you need any further help or would like me to answer your

questions please let me know and I will be happy to do so.

 

Yours in the service of Lord Krishna

mayesvara dasa

Ojai, Ca. (805) 640-0405

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sumchicki Saya Bigui-Wot, Esq. [sloozef ]

Thursday, January 18, 2007 22:30

elijaxonbear-gangajidisgraced (AT) topica (DOT) com

RE: Where are the "facts?"

 

Mark,

 

Your mind is creating a reply to a post that your mind is creating. I

suggest that an Interrupt function be injected into your mind loop, so that

the mind-created Mark suddenly loses all mind-created interest in

mind-creating responses to its mind-created questions. It'll make your

mind-created story more mind-createdly compelling. Guaranteed!

 

All bst,

~ S.

 

 

mark timmins wrote:

>

> Red Lotus,

> The perception you have and question is mind created. It is a story.

> Until

> that you see it as such, there are no answers for you, there are only

> questions. I would suggest you keep watching them videos.

> Mark

> -

> "Red Lotusblossom" <redlotusblossom >

> <elijaxonbear-gangajidisgraced (AT) topica (DOT) com>

> Monday, January 15, 2007 8:31 AM

> Where are the "facts?"

>

>

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I have just joined, and I have some questions. I would like to

> > preface them by saying this: I am a montly Gangaji satsang video

> > r, and though I know people who go, I have never been to an

> > in person meeting (can't afford it). In the months leading up to the

> > October revelation I was increasingly stunned by the changes I saw

> > in Gangaji. Those moments wherein she reaches into Truth (very

> > subjective, I know -- but I am only describing my own experience

> > here) became fewer and fewer. Those moment during which she asked

> > the person up front with her to Stop, where she helped take that

> > person deeper, seemed to fade away, only to be replaced by -- I

> > don't know what. Something like "teaching." It's hard to explain,

> > but to me her responses seemed more rote. I talked about this to a

> > friend, the very one who turned me on to Gangaji several years ago,

> > many times. This perception peaked in September, when I took the DVD

> > that had just come in the mail on vacation with me, thinking I could

> > play it at some point while my boyfriend and I were hanging out in

> > the hotel room, since I had been wanting to share such a moment with

> > him for a long time and he wasn't all that into it. Captive audience!

Anyway, a nice moment did arrive and he didn't mind, so I put the video on.

> > Gangaji was lovely at the beginning, but then as people came and

> > went to speak with her she was so not herself. Things were just so

> > much more on the surface. Again, it's very hard to describe -- but

> > it looked a lot more like guru and followers that illuminated truth.

> > There was one woman who was feeling very inadequate to her husband,

> > and rather than take the woman into the core of that experience,

> > really Gangaji just said a few things and let it go. This was so

striking that I turned the video off.

> >

> > I would like to emphasize that I don't mean this as criticism! I was

> > then, and am now, concerned. Clearly the woman was suffering, was

> > conflicted. Did anyone else notice this? And is this suffering taken

> > into account as we move through our anger toward her for keeping the

> > secret?

> >

> > It is entirely understandible how and why this event is causing so

> > much pain for so many people. Misuse of power for sex is a hot

> > button issue for me, for sure.

> >

> > Now, I have tried to suspend judgment, mostly because I don't think

> > I know anything about what really happened. I agree that in a

> > teaching that is centered around Truth it's disturbing that such a

> > big secret was being kept. I hear people being angry at Gangaji for

> > this. But here's my

> > question: Why was she keeping quiet? I see some saying that both Eli

> > and the woman with who he was involved asked her not to make it

> > public. Not just Eli, which WOULD smack of complicity and income

> > protection, but also the woman, whom all seem to agree was already

> > traumatized. If Gangaji had "outed" her after she asked not to be

> > outed, how much compassion would that have shown? Wouldn't that have

> > been another kind of betrayal? And might not some people have

> > accused Gangaji of vindictiveness and the betrayal of a deep confidence?

> >

> > Agreed, it's entirely different if the request for silence came only

> > from Eli.

> >

> > However, having had some experience in these matters of the heart, I

> > can relate to how confusing it can be to find oneself in the middle

> > of such heartbreak and betrayal, and how emotions conflict. With a

> > little distance now, do group members still feel as betrayed by her as

by Eli?

> >

> > Another couple of questions:

> >

> > Do I hear people saying that the young woman is saying that Eli

> > hypnotized her and took advantage of her sexually (that would be

> > rape, wouldn't it?)?

> >

> > Has, again, the community considered that the young woman herself

> > asked Gangaji not to reveal this? Is that still considered to be an

> > acurate statement, or is it just something that Eli told Gangaji to

> > cover his own behind?

> >

> > What about these money issues? Is it true that they live as high as

> > everyone claims? I'm not interested in gossip here. I am wondering

> > if there are people who have actually seen these two houses, etc.?

> >

> > Also, as to the face lifts: it's a shame that a woman as beautiful

> > as the aging Gangaji would feel the need to do this. How might that

"need"

> > be connected to her huband's philandering? And can we find

> > compassion for her in that, as women? Haven't we all struggled with

> > these self-image things, these pleasing men neuroses? And isn't she

> > just a woman, after all? And isn't she also a victim in this, having

> > been betrayed by her husband and by another woman in the community?

> >

> > Really, does anyone have answers to these questions?

> >

> > Sincerely, with hope that my humanness will be forgiven,

> >

> > RL

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

 

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