Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 ??? ??? ?????? Dear Sishya, Namaskar I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and Swee-ji regarding gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again i don't know which scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate a reproduction of the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding of prescription of remedial measures. Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have attained from the Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the Gurus for their research. *o Sambandha o* Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on the ninth house, that parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it necessary to change the gemstone advise. Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and sixth lord is in the ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then advise the gemstone of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of the ninth bhava. Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it will damage the bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two most important types of Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by Parasara. The four are in order of importance: 1. Parivartana. 2. Yuti (conjunction) 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). The first two are more permanent and require lifelong remedy, whilst the last two are only prominent during the dasa of the planets. Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its dristi on the ninth house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. Hence, wearing a blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during this dasa to mitigise the negative effects of Saturn. *o Yuti of many planets o* If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it is a source of confusion as to which planet will give which effects. The parampara teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. The most benefic and most malefic planets will give each others effects. This is based on the planets natural maleficence/beneficence and the order of these are: Jupiter Venus Moon Mercury Sun Ketu Mars Rahu Saturn. * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and similarly some consider Rahu more malefic than Saturn. Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and Saturn is there in a sign we consider the following to give each others effects: Jupiter and Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets respectively and thus strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and vice versa. Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will also give each others effects. What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets join? Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is there in one house we consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the most benefic and malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each others effects. Sun is the one left out and will give his own effects due to this. This was the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red Coral was advised to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury in Gemini - tenth house) to rise in his life. *o Endnote o *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the puja/mantra to imbibe the gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen in the person, and always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the Rk's that Parasara advises. I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra from the Rg Veda. Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all these mantras and collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear the gemstones. This will not only ensure fortune following from the wearing of the gemstone, but will also protect the native from any faults accompanying the wearing of the gem. Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart before advising a gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person and miss the remedy to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the gemstone is useless and the client will only be a source of agony for the astrologer. This will take time to learn, and doing so you will become great astrologers. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> Sharat wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sundeep > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi drishti > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the Bhava be considered > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. Perhaps one needs to > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. > > I also meant to ask whether you had some resolution of the query > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in conjunction or parivartan. > > I did not get any reposne to my query. > > Regards > > Sharat > > > > - > ** vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > > *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > Dear Soulsadhak, > I know your question was to Swee, but I heard a couple of audios - > perhaps it was Freedom Cole's (Vyasa SJC) - in which this was > discussed. He said that you consider the strongest planet IN the > house as the Ishta. If there is none, I think what Sanjay Rathji had > said was that the planets having rasi dristi (not graha dristi) to > 12th (from AK Navamsa) will lead you to your Ishta. However, Freedom > said that the lord of the 12th from AK Navamsa still signifies your > Ishta (even though those having rasi dristi may lead you to it). > > In general, to those who dont know, I have found the recordings at > Freedom's, Visti's and PVR's sites to be very useful.. Here is the > one you ask about: http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/California.htm > <http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/California.htm> > look at the 25 September 2005 recordings (I think) > > HTH, > > Sundeep > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Please can you advise if there is no planet in the house concerned > > (wrt ID, PD or DD)what do we best consider: > > 1. lord of the house > > 2. strongest plaent having graha drishti on that house > > 3. strongest planet having rasi drishti on that house > > > > Many thanks > > SS > > > > sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>, Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Deepak, > > > Namaste > > > > > > No to both; Moon is in 3rd pada Punarvasu. > > > > > > In Navamsa, the 12th from AK is Ishta Devata and Palana Devata > is > > 6th from > > > AmK also in Navamsa. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/25/06 4:20 AM, "DEEPAK MODI" <deepakmodi4@> wrote: > > > > > > > TASMAI SRIGURUVE NAMAH > > > > > > > > RESPECTED SWEEJEE, > > > > > > > > CHARANAARVINDE, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your teachings, I want to know that whether my > > kundali is > > > > afflicted by "MAHAPDMA KAALSARP YOG" or "ARDHA CHANDRA > > YOG".Please shed more > > > > light on Istha devata and Palan devata,the difference or if > any > > link to > > > > know more about them. > > > > > > > > with deep respect, > > > > Deepak > > > > > > > >> Swee Chan <sweechan@> > > > >> sohamsa > <sohamsa%40> > > > >> Sohamsa <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>> > > > >> Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > >> Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:55:05 +0200 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jaya Jagannatha > > > >> > > > >> Dear Deepak, > > > >> Namaste > > > >> > > > >> I see nothing of your worst fears. There is a position in Tai > > Chi called > > > >> "The Beauteous Hand" - that is to yield if one cannot fight > the > > forces > > > >> beyond our control. > > > >> Friends will possibly leave you, or you may be more prone to > > short > > > >> temperedness which depletes you of energy (you naturally have > a > > pitta > > > >> condition as it is). Health may deteriorate further.... Co- > lord > > Sani as the > > > >> is badhakesh traversing in the 5th. Often times, one turns to > > bhakti > > > >> because > > > >> of external marauding nature especially being let down by > > friends etc. > > > >> > > > >> Palana devata is Moon. - "Om Krsnaya Namah" -- check in the > > archives for > > > >> mantars related to this. > > > >> > > > >> Jay Sr Krishna, Jay Sri Radhe > > > >> > > > >> Love, > > > >> > > > >> Swee > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 12/23/06 6:14 PM, "DEEPAK MODI" <deepakmodi4@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> JAI JAGANNATH SWAMI NAYANPATH GAAMI BHAVA TUME > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Respected Sweejee, > > > >>> Charanaarvinde > > > >>> > > > >>> Firstly many many Thanks for your quick reply and advices > > about my > > > >>> horoscope.Secondly purchasing a yellow sapphire and a yellow > > diamond is > > > >> now > > > >>> a too much costly job for me, any substitute - please guide > me. > > > >>> please tell me about what kind of "worst" I 'll have to face > > while > > > >> Saturn > > > >>> retrogrades and Rahu in Badhaksthaan, may be Death or > > accidents to me or > > > >> my > > > >>> spouse or children (a Daughter born on 12th nov.2000 at > 15:53 > > pm cuttack > > > >> and > > > >>> a son born on 28th nov 2002 at 11:53 am cuttack). > > > >>> I was suffering from "Shani-shadhesaati" and I lost almost > > everything. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> with deep respect, > > > >>> Deepak modi > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Swee Chan <sweechan@> > > > >>>> sohamsa > <sohamsa%40> > > > >>>> Sohamsa <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>> > > > >>>> Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > >>>> Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:55:41 +0200 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Jaya Jagannatha > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Deepak, > > > >>>> Namaste > > > >>>> > > > >>>> A yellow sapphire, no less. Yellow diamondâEUR^s best to > quell > > transits > > > >> and > > > >>>> unsavoury natal placements of both Saturn and Rahu who are > > involved in > > > >> a > > > >>>> tug > > > >>>> of war. Worse is yet to come when Saturn retrogrades and > > transit Rahu > > > >> is > > > >>>> currently in badhakstana. > > > >>>> Planets in lagna are involved in a paapa kartari âEUR" a > > negative aspect > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Love, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Swee > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 12/23/06 10:29 AM, "dpk_modi" <deepakmodi4@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Sweejee,Sanjayjee & All respected jees of "SOHAMSA > > GROUP" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> "Charaanarbinde to all" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I am Deepak Modi D.O.B.-04thMay1968 time 05:30 am > > long.:85E56 > > > >>>>> and lati.:20N26 (INDIA,ORISSA/CUTTACK),newly joined The > > Sohamsa > > > >> Groups. > > > >>>>> I am feeling very proud and lucky to be a small part of > > SOHAMSA.Though > > > >>>>> I am also interested in astrology and likewise activities > I > > want that > > > >>>>> you all Respected and learned members of SOHAMSA, accept > me > > as part of > > > >>>>> the group.I will be very much obelidged for that kind > > acceptance. > > > >>>>> May i request you all members to please kindly look in my > > > >>>>> horoscope and advice me what to do or what not to do. I am > > in building > > > >>>>> construction business now. what RATNA should I wear to get > > the > > > >>>>> blessings of benefic GRAHAS ? OR ANY remedies i should > adopt > > to please > > > >>>>> my benefic GRAHAS. > > > >>>>> With Deep Respect, > > > >>>>> Deepak Modi > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ________ > > > >>> Stay in tune with the latest styles! Check out the happening > > fashion > > > >> trends > > > >>> on 'Wardrobe watch'. Only on MSN Lifestyle > > > >>> > > > >> > > > http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Moreonlifestyle/LifeStyle_091006_0 > <http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Moreonlifestyle/LifeStyle_091006_0> > > 551.htm > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 ??? ??? ?????? Dear Manoj, Namaskar I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following paragraphs. You may believe what you want. When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead. *Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 East of GMT)* The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there. Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results. When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given to him. So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No! The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given. *Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East of GMT).* This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad. This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth. Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation. Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy this. These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the ninth house to learn more. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> Manoj Sharma wrote: > > Dear Visti, > just thought would share this small experience with > you. > > In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth > and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion > only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any > other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I > also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also > corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got > a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact > in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I > can't even describe it. However, within two hours of > wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There > was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared > all the interviews and the employer had told me to > standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to > believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I > got a telephone call from my prospective employer > informing that for the time being they have shelved > off the decision to hire for the said position. > Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That > evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was > so petrified that I removed the stone. > It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my > chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue > Sapphire. I just don't get this... > This time there was no problem with the quality of the > stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very > accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible). > I just don't understand this man!!!! > The only plausible explanation is that we may come out > with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine > will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of > conviction! > Thanks for your time and space.... > Manoj Sharma > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti%40srigaruda.com>> > wrote: > > > > > ??? ??? ?????? > > > > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and > > Swee-ji regarding > > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again > > i don't know which > > scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate > > a reproduction of > > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding > > of prescription of > > remedial measures. > > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have > > attained from the > > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the > > Gurus for their research. > > *o Sambandha o* > > > > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on > > the ninth house, that > > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it > > necessary to change > > the gemstone advise. > > > > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and > > sixth lord is in the > > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then > > advise the gemstone > > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of > > the ninth bhava. > > > > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it > > will damage the > > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. > > > > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two > > most important types of > > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > > Parasara. The four are > > in order of importance: > > 1. Parivartana. > > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). > > > > The first two are more permanent and require > > lifelong remedy, whilst the > > last two are only prominent during the dasa of the > > planets. > > > > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its > > dristi on the ninth > > house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. > > Hence, wearing a > > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during > > this dasa to mitigise > > the negative effects of Saturn. > > > > *o Yuti of many planets o* > > If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it > > is a source of > > confusion as to which planet will give which > > effects. The parampara > > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > > > > The most benefic and most malefic planets will give > > each others effects. > > This is based on the planets natural > > maleficence/beneficence and the > > order of these are: > > Jupiter > > Venus > > Moon > > Mercury > > Sun > > Ketu > > Mars > > Rahu > > Saturn. > > > > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and > > similarly some consider > > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > > > > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > > Saturn is there in a > > sign we consider the following to give each others > > effects: Jupiter and > > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > > respectively and thus > > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and > > vice versa. > > Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will > > also give each others > > effects. > > > > What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets > > join? > > > > Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is > > there in one house we > > consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the > > most benefic and > > malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each > > others effects. Sun > > is the one left out and will give his own effects > > due to this. This was > > the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red > > Coral was advised > > to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury > > in Gemini - tenth > > house) to rise in his life. > > > > *o Endnote o > > *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the > > puja/mantra to imbibe the > > gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen > > in the person, and > > always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the > > Rk's that Parasara > > advises. > > > > I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra > > from the Rg Veda. > > Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk > > Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo > > Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all > > these mantras and > > collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear > > the gemstones. > > > > This will not only ensure fortune following from the > > wearing of the > > gemstone, but will also protect the native from any > > faults accompanying > > the wearing of the gem. > > > > Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart > > before advising a > > gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person > > and miss the remedy > > to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the > > gemstone is useless > > and the client will only be a source of agony for > > the astrologer. > > This will take time to learn, and doing so you will > > become great > > astrologers. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > -- > > Visti Larsen > > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti%40srigaruda.com>> > > For consultations and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>> > > > > > > Sharat wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Sundeep > > > > > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: > > > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava > > > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi > > drishti > > > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava > > > > > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the > > Bhava be considered > > > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. > > Perhaps one needs to > > > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. > > > > > > I also meant to ask whether you had some > > resolution of the query > > > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in > > conjunction or parivartan. > > > > > > I did not get any reposne to my query. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ** vedicastrostudent > > <vedicastrostudent > <vedicastrostudent%40>> > > > *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > > > > Dear Soulsadhak, > > > === message truncated === > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Respected Vistiji, Namaskar Saturn is yoga karaka for Ta lagna. So as per this example in saturn dasha saturn didn't do good, shouldn't yoga karaka always do good? If not then how does yoga karaka help? Regards, Shobha Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: Untitled Document हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Manoj, Namaskar I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following paragraphs. You may believe what you want. When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead. Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 East of GMT) The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there. Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results. When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given to him. So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No! The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given. Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East of GMT). This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad. This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth. Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation. Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy this. These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the ninth house to learn more. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Manoj Sharma wrote: Dear Visti, just thought would share this small experience with you. In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I can't even describe it. However, within two hours of wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared all the interviews and the employer had told me to standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I got a telephone call from my prospective employer informing that for the time being they have shelved off the decision to hire for the said position. Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was so petrified that I removed the stone. It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue Sapphire. I just don't get this... This time there was no problem with the quality of the stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible). I just don't understand this man!!!! The only plausible explanation is that we may come out with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of conviction! Thanks for your time and space.... Manoj Sharma --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and > Swee-ji regarding > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again > i don't know which > scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate > a reproduction of > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding > of prescription of > remedial measures. > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have > attained from the > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the > Gurus for their research. > *o Sambandha o* > > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on > the ninth house, that > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it > necessary to change > the gemstone advise. > > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and > sixth lord is in the > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then > advise the gemstone > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of > the ninth bhava. > > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it > will damage the > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. > > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two > most important types of > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > Parasara. The four are > in order of importance: > 1. Parivartana. > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). > > The first two are more permanent and require > lifelong remedy, whilst the > last two are only prominent during the dasa of the > planets. > > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its > dristi on the ninth > house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. > Hence, wearing a > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during > this dasa to mitigise > the negative effects of Saturn. > > *o Yuti of many planets o* > If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it > is a source of > confusion as to which planet will give which > effects. The parampara > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > > The most benefic and most malefic planets will give > each others effects. > This is based on the planets natural > maleficence/beneficence and the > order of these are: > Jupiter > Venus > Moon > Mercury > Sun > Ketu > Mars > Rahu > Saturn. > > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and > similarly some consider > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > Saturn is there in a > sign we consider the following to give each others > effects: Jupiter and > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > respectively and thus > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and > vice versa. > Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will > also give each others > effects. > > What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets > join? > > Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is > there in one house we > consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the > most benefic and > malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each > others effects. Sun > is the one left out and will give his own effects > due to this. This was > the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red > Coral was advised > to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury > in Gemini - tenth > house) to rise in his life. > > *o Endnote o > *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the > puja/mantra to imbibe the > gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen > in the person, and > always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the > Rk's that Parasara > advises. > > I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra > from the Rg Veda. > Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk > Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo > Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all > these mantras and > collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear > the gemstones. > > This will not only ensure fortune following from the > wearing of the > gemstone, but will also protect the native from any > faults accompanying > the wearing of the gem. > > Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart > before advising a > gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person > and miss the remedy > to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the > gemstone is useless > and the client will only be a source of agony for > the astrologer. > This will take time to learn, and doing so you will > become great > astrologers. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Sharat wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sundeep > > > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: > > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava > > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi > drishti > > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava > > > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the > Bhava be considered > > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. > Perhaps one needs to > > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. > > > > I also meant to ask whether you had some > resolution of the query > > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in > conjunction or parivartan. > > > > I did not get any reposne to my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > - > > ** vedicastrostudent > <vedicastrostudent > > > *To:* sohamsa > <sohamsa> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > > Dear Soulsadhak, > === message truncated === Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Vistiji and Sweeji, 1. Would ever we look into conjunctions in the varga charts for understanding the dasha and prescribing gemstones. The role reversal , will it always be seen from rashi charts? Do we ever see star lords ? Could u highlight for my coming vimshottri dasha, mercury -saturn dasha . My mercury is conjoined mars. and saturn conjoined rahu. i am virgo lagna. so would this mean i wil be essentially looking at mercury ( mars)-saturn(rahu)? Altough in my chart i should be seeing dwi-saptati , but for better understanding i ask this. Swati NAMAH SHIVAYA On 1/12/07, Swee Chan <sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Visti, > Namaste > > Some quick observations: > Chart 1: Set to LMT for local timings. Things cannot fall apart at the > onset of Saturn. Saturn gives its fullest results in the third drekkana and > never at the onset. Note Jupiter in October 1987 was transiting in the 8th > house and Rahu was on the ascendant with Gulika and GL – the most malefic as > you say and exalted to do its most malefic work on his image. The cure for > badhakesh Saturn in the 9th as we know is to offer prayers. But Sun, the > natural atma who is most likely to show natural inclination towards bhakti, > is debilitated and conjoins his lagna lord, hence it is his inherent nature. > > > Chart 2: > [This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of > seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a > lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth > and aspecting the tenth.] > > Aspect on 10th is incorrect. He has co-lords for the 7th house Saturn and > Rahu – jealousy and failed marriage; an ego trip from Rahu, no less.. In > this case, Jupiter, lord of HL and Moon, both in dual signs and Jupiter's > aspect on the lagna lord itself to bring RY. So what's with the non > prescription of YS? > > Love, > > Swee > > On 1/11/07 8:22 PM, "Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Manoj, Namaskar > I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following > paragraphs. You may believe what you want. > > When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in > mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i > NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a > dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga > occurs instead. > > *Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 > East of GMT) > *The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined > Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a > successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn > whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there. > Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the > Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results. > > When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the > family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his > livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he > blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given > to him. > So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No! > > The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very > auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given. > > *Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East > of GMT). > *This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most > would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his > major rajayoga abroad. > This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of > seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a > lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth > and aspecting the tenth. > Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars > during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in > Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to > leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation. > Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic > situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic > remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful > remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy > this. > > These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your > situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the > ninth house to learn more. > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 ??? ??? ?????? Dear Shobha, Namaskar When dharma is low bhagya also suffers, so when a malefic associates with the ninth house it cannot give the auspicious results of its yogakarakatva unless placed in a house where it cannot perform adharma. So we like to have these malefics in dusthanas, and preferably 12th house. So Yogakarakas can be auspicious, as long as they uphold dharma (if associated with the ninth house). Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> shobha S wrote: > > Respected Vistiji, > Namaskar > Saturn is yoga karaka for Ta lagna. So as per this example in saturn > dasha saturn didn't do good, shouldn't yoga karaka always do good? If > not then how does yoga karaka help? > Regards, > Shobha > > */Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>/* wrote: > > > ??? ??? ?????? > Dear Manoj, Namaskar > I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the > following paragraphs. You may believe what you want. > When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing > faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. > For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna > UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In > the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead. > *Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, > 5:30 East of GMT)* > The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is > joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from > Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining > is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also > shows some gemstones may have been there. > Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give > results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own > results. > When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart > and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his > home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. > On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses > to take advise when given to him. > So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No! > The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn > very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given. > *Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, > 2hrs East of GMT).* > This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house > debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this > native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad. > This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the > conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first > marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his > job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth. > Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results > of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest > level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the > jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his > boss had put him in a problematic situation. Saturn aspects the > tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after > his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies > given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful > remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to > remedy this. > These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your > situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 > regarding the ninth house to learn more. > Yours sincerely, > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Manoj Sharma wrote: >> Dear Visti, >> just thought would share this small experience with >> you. >> >> In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth >> and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion >> only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any >> other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I >> also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also >> corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got >> a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact >> in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I >> can't even describe it. However, within two hours of >> wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There >> was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared >> all the interviews and the employer had told me to >> standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to >> believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I >> got a telephone call from my prospective employer >> informing that for the time being they have shelved >> off the decision to hire for the said position. >> Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That >> evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was >> so petrified that I removed the stone. >> It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my >> chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue >> Sapphire. I just don't get this... >> This time there was no problem with the quality of the >> stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very >> accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible). >> I just don't understand this man!!!! >> The only plausible explanation is that we may come out >> with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine >> will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of >> conviction! >> Thanks for your time and space.... >> Manoj Sharma >> --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com >> <visti%40srigaruda.com>> wrote: >> >> > >> > ??? ??? ?????? >> > >> > Dear Sishya, Namaskar >> > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and >> > Swee-ji regarding >> > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again >> > i don't know which >> > scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate >> > a reproduction of >> > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding >> > of prescription of >> > remedial measures. >> > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have >> > attained from the >> > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the >> > Gurus for their research. >> > *o Sambandha o* >> > >> > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on >> > the ninth house, that >> > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it >> > necessary to change >> > the gemstone advise. >> > >> > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and >> > sixth lord is in the >> > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then >> > advise the gemstone >> > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of >> > the ninth bhava. >> > >> > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it >> > will damage the >> > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. >> > >> > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two >> > most important types of >> > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by >> > Parasara. The four are >> > in order of importance: >> > 1. Parivartana. >> > 2. Yuti (conjunction) >> > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) >> > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). >> > >> > The first two are more permanent and require >> > lifelong remedy, whilst the >> > last two are only prominent during the dasa of the >> > planets. >> > >> > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its >> > dristi on the ninth >> > house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. >> > Hence, wearing a >> > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during >> > this dasa to mitigise >> > the negative effects of Saturn. >> > >> > *o Yuti of many planets o* >> > If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it >> > is a source of >> > confusion as to which planet will give which >> > effects. The parampara >> > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. >> > >> > The most benefic and most malefic planets will give >> > each others effects. >> > This is based on the planets natural >> > maleficence/beneficence and the >> > order of these are: >> > Jupiter >> > Venus >> > Moon >> > Mercury >> > Sun >> > Ketu >> > Mars >> > Rahu >> > Saturn. >> > >> > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and >> > similarly some consider >> > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. >> > >> > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and >> > Saturn is there in a >> > sign we consider the following to give each others >> > effects: Jupiter and >> > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets >> > respectively and thus >> > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and >> > vice versa. >> > Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will >> > also give each others >> > effects. >> > >> > What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets >> > join? >> > >> > Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is >> > there in one house we >> > consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the >> > most benefic and >> > malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each >> > others effects. Sun >> > is the one left out and will give his own effects >> > due to this. This was >> > the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red >> > Coral was advised >> > to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury >> > in Gemini - tenth >> > house) to rise in his life. >> > >> > *o Endnote o >> > *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the >> > puja/mantra to imbibe the >> > gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen >> > in the person, and >> > always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the >> > Rk's that Parasara >> > advises. >> > >> > I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra >> > from the Rg Veda. >> > Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk >> > Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo >> > Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all >> > these mantras and >> > collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear >> > the gemstones. >> > >> > This will not only ensure fortune following from the >> > wearing of the >> > gemstone, but will also protect the native from any >> > faults accompanying >> > the wearing of the gem. >> > >> > Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart >> > before advising a >> > gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person >> > and miss the remedy >> > to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the >> > gemstone is useless >> > and the client will only be a source of agony for >> > the astrologer. >> > This will take time to learn, and doing so you will >> > become great >> > astrologers. >> > >> > Yours sincerely, >> > >> > -- >> > Visti Larsen >> > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti%40srigaruda.com> >> > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti%40srigaruda.com>> >> > For consultations and articles visit: >> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> >> > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>> >> > >> > >> > Sharat wrote: >> > > >> > > Om Gurave Namah >> > > >> > > Dear Sundeep >> > > >> > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: >> > > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava >> > > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi >> > drishti >> > > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava >> > > >> > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the >> > Bhava be considered >> > > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. >> > Perhaps one needs to >> > > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. >> > > >> > > I also meant to ask whether you had some >> > resolution of the query >> > > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in >> > conjunction or parivartan. >> > > >> > > I did not get any reposne to my query. >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > Sharat >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - >> > > ** vedicastrostudent >> > <vedicastrostudent >> <vedicastrostudent%40>> >> > > *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa%40> >> > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM >> > > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL >> > > >> > > Dear Soulsadhak, >> > >> === message truncated === >> > > ------ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" > <http://autos./green_center/;_ylc=X3oDMTE4MGw4Z2hlBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW5jZW50ZXI-> > at Autos' Green Center. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Untitled Documenthraum namah adityaya Dear Guruji, Namaskar I think Saravali wrote that even malefic in ninth is good if lords this sign. How to connect this? Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Friday, January 12, 2007 12:05 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: (ratna) Re: Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Shobha, Namaskar When dharma is low bhagya also suffers, so when a malefic associates with the ninth house it cannot give the auspicious results of its yogakarakatva unless placed in a house where it cannot perform adharma. So we like to have these malefics in dusthanas, and preferably 12th house. So Yogakarakas can be auspicious, as long as they uphold dharma (if associated with the ninth house). Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com shobha S wrote: Respected Vistiji, Namaskar Saturn is yoga karaka for Ta lagna. So as per this example in saturn dasha saturn didn't do good, shouldn't yoga karaka always do good? If not then how does yoga karaka help? Regards, Shobha Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Manoj, Namaskar I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following paragraphs. You may believe what you want. When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead. Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 East of GMT) The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there. Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results. When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given to him. So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No! The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given. Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East of GMT). This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad. This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth. Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation.. Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy this. These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the ninth house to learn more. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Manoj Sharma wrote: Dear Visti, just thought would share this small experience with you. In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I can't even describe it. However, within two hours of wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared all the interviews and the employer had told me to standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I got a telephone call from my prospective employer informing that for the time being they have shelved off the decision to hire for the said position. Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was so petrified that I removed the stone. It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue Sapphire. I just don't get this... This time there was no problem with the quality of the stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible). I just don't understand this man!!!! The only plausible explanation is that we may come out with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of conviction! Thanks for your time and space.... Manoj Sharma --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and > Swee-ji regarding > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again > i don't know which > scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate > a reproduction of > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding > of prescription of > remedial measures. > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have > attained from the > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the > Gurus for their research. > *o Sambandha o* > > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on > the ninth house, that > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it > necessary to change > the gemstone advise. > > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and > sixth lord is in the > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then > advise the gemstone > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of > the ninth bhava. > > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it > will damage the > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. > > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two > most important types of > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > Parasara. The four are > in order of importance: > 1. Parivartana. > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). > > The first two are more permanent and require > lifelong remedy, whilst the > last two are only prominent during the dasa of the > planets. > > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its > dristi on the ninth > house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. > Hence, wearing a > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during > this dasa to mitigise > the negative effects of Saturn. > > *o Yuti of many planets o* > If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it > is a source of > confusion as to which planet will give which > effects. The parampara > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > > The most benefic and most malefic planets will give > each others effects. > This is based on the planets natural > maleficence/beneficence and the > order of these are: > Jupiter > Venus > Moon > Mercury > Sun > Ketu > Mars > Rahu > Saturn. > > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and > similarly some consider > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > Saturn is there in a > sign we consider the following to give each others > effects: Jupiter and > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > respectively and thus > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and > vice versa. > Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will > also give each others > effects. > > What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets > join? > > Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is > there in one house we > consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the > most benefic and > malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each > others effects. Sun > is the one left out and will give his own effects > due to this. This was > the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red > Coral was advised > to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury > in Gemini - tenth > house) to rise in his life. > > *o Endnote o > *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the > puja/mantra to imbibe the > gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen > in the person, and > always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the > Rk's that Parasara > advises. > > I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra > from the Rg Veda. > Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk > Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo > Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all > these mantras and > collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear > the gemstones. > > This will not only ensure fortune following from the > wearing of the > gemstone, but will also protect the native from any > faults accompanying > the wearing of the gem. > > Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart > before advising a > gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person > and miss the remedy > to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the > gemstone is useless > and the client will only be a source of agony for > the astrologer. > This will take time to learn, and doing so you will > become great > astrologers. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com > <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Sharat wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sundeep > > > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: > > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava > > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi > drishti > > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava > > > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the > Bhava be considered > > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. > Perhaps one needs to > > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. > > > > I also meant to ask whether you had some > resolution of the query > > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in > conjunction or parivartan. > > > > I did not get any reposne to my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > - > > ** vedicastrostudent > <vedicastrostudent > > > *To:* sohamsa > <sohamsa> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > > Dear Soulsadhak, > === message truncated === ---------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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