Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Jai Guru Dev Dear Sadhaks, I am not against donations and helping poor but a thought has come in my mind. 1. Everywhere we read that we should help poor and needy people. 2. Also we read that what a person gets in this life is the result of his past Karmas (deeds). Means, a person is poor or has everything because of his own past karmas. Are both the above not contradicing each other?? If I give some money to a poor man or do something for somebody to reduce his sufferings, do I not interfere in his Karmic cycle ? Do I have such a right ? Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 , pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote: > 2. Also we read that what a person gets in this life is the result > of his past Karmas (deeds). Means, a person is poor or has everything > because of his own past karmas. > > Are both the above not contradicing each other?? > > If I give some money to a poor man or do something for somebody to > reduce his sufferings, do I not interfere in his Karmic cycle ? Do I > have such a right ? > > Pradeep > Good question pradeep !! Has it sometimes happened to you that some begger asked for money from you...you really wished to give him, but found no change with you....or the light turned green and you had to hurry ? Or sometimes a needy one came to you and asked for help and you really wanted to help him but found you have suddenly a hard pressing situation to give that money to someone else ? We as human beings have one great gift of mother nature..and that is our free will to choose, one of the alternatives presented to us by Mother Nature. The man who needs money...will get the money if his past karmas are destined to get him money. If he comes to you..and you chose to ignore...Nature will take him to another and then other..till he gets his money !! So if we decide to make donation...it is mother nature in us, who is wishing to help the person through us... he is destined to get the donation..if not from us,...from somewhere else. And if the asker is not destined to get money...you will feel no sympathy towards him...or even if you give him money..he would lose it. I once tried to change life of one of my relative and gave him all my saving of 3 years...and he died without enjoying the donation...and putting me in grave situation !! with love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I once had same issue. I saw a beggar I didnt like, but I wanted to help him. I was shopping for something, so I said if hes still here when Ive done shopping, Ill give him donation. Even though I was out in 2 minute, the beggar was gone. If you leave it to nature, she usually gives you a hint whether the person deserves it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 PradeepJi, Om nama Shivaya. A nice question. The poor is destined by the karmas, and if we try to rewrite the karma by helping him out of that karmic cycle then do we interfere? Fantastic question. But let us think the other way, Due to our karmas, we may meet a poor person and would be tested if we really help him to get out of his crisis. So in my veiw its the way we look at each and every thing. Was it the poors karma which brought him in front of you for a donation or is it due to the karma you did which makes a poor to come before you for a help? So i donot see a contradiction between karmic cycle and donation. This is just my veiw. thanks for your nice question. Senthil. Shivaya nama Aum. Thiruchitrambalam. , pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Namaste. Pradeep's question reminds me of this story. ------------- The Sadhu and the scorpion A Sadhu was rescuing a scorpion that had fallen into a pond. Every time he lifted it out of water, it stung him but he would not give up until it was saved. One of his disciples asked why he was persistent in saving the scorpion that stung him. The Sadhu replied: "The `Dharma' (or Karma) or nature of scorpion is to sting; the nature or Dharma (or Karma) of a Sadhu is to rescue a being from distress - and in this case sure death by drowning. If the scorpion does not give up its Dharma (or Karma) why should I give up mine and give up saving it?" The `Dharma' of fire is to burn, of water is to be cool, of wind is to blow. So, the Dharma of man is to be humane. So one should go on doing one's duty (Karma) even if obstacles, impediments and difficulties intervene in discharging it. ________ So, is the Sadhu interfering in the so called 'Karmic cycle' of the scorpion by saving it from drowning? Lord Krishna has declared to Arjuna in Gita: "karmaNyevAdhikAraste mA phaleSu kadAcana mA karma phalahetur bhUr mA te saGgo 'stvakarmaNi" "yogasthaH kuru karmANi saGgam tyaktvA dhanaJjaya siddhy asiddhyoH samo bhUtvA samatvaM yoga ucyate" (Gita 2.47, 48) "Seek to perform your duty. But LAY NOT CLAIM to its fruits. Be you NOT the producer of the FRUITS of KARMA; Neither shall you LEAN towards INACTION." Not an atom moves without a motive. Beings are all busy either to GAIN something or to ward off something unwanted. In the absence of such a motive no action needs performed. But Lord induces Arjuna not to be MOTIVATED and at the SAME TIME to be intensely ACTIVE. Yes, here in lies the turning point in life from 'Preyas to Sreyas'. Good accrues from DETACHMENT and NEVER from ATTACHMENT. Karma in itself is NO evil; but it becomes so when MIXED UP with DESIRE. Desire TAINTED karma gives continuity to the wheel of birth and death. Conquerers of DESIRE are they who CARE NOT for the fruits of karma. FREEDOM from DESIRE is REAL FREEDOM. When duty is discharged UNTARNISHED by desire, clarity of UNDERSTANDING ensues. Karma therefore has to be performed perfectly by the aspirant UNMINDFUL of the FRUITS thereof. "A boat may be floating on the water, but NO water should be ALLOWED to get into it. Man may live in the world, but NO worldly desire ought to take possession of him. - Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa" Read more at: http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=61.52 http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=61.62 Dr. Jaya Jaya Sri Radhey! , pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote: > > Jai Guru Dev > > If I give some money to a poor man or do something for somebody to > reduce his sufferings, do I not interfere in his Karmic cycle ? Do I > have such a right ? > > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 , pyari_h <no_reply wrote: > The Sadhu and the scorpion > > Karma in itself is NO evil; but it becomes so when MIXED UP with > DESIRE. Desire TAINTED karma gives continuity to the wheel of birth > and death. Conquerers of DESIRE are they who CARE NOT for the fruits > of karma. FREEDOM from DESIRE is REAL FREEDOM. Pyariji I fully agree with this. In fact as Shri Krishna said in Geeta - No one can live in this world without doing Karma...if I (God) stop Karma even for a moment the whole creation will collapse ! Karmayoga is not abandoning the Karma. "Yogashu Karma Kaushlam".... to do Karma with Kaushal (tact & proficiently) is Yoga. Shri Aurobindo has further expanded this Kaushlam as - As the Purohit performs Yagna for his Yajman....the Yajman does not do anything...all yajna is performed by Pandit, who chants mantras, who makes offerings to gods...the yajman only witnesses the yajana...and ennjoys the fruits of the yagna. similarly we should treat all Karma as a Yagya by Mother Nature for God. Nature is performing this Yagya for us....we are Yajman ..so not taking part in this yagya..but since the yagya is for us we will enjoy the fruits of Yagya through our Anthakarna...but that enjoying will also be as Sakhsi not as enjoyer. This saakshi Bhaav certainly takes us away from the desire to do Karma ...and the desire to wait for the fruits of Karma with love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 A beggar is created by the Lord for the giver or the donor to earn some Punnya for oneself. Don't worry about the past Karmas of the beggar, that is His headache and His Domain. Donor has no access to the past Karma of others and therefore he can never interfere with it. When the thought of giving comes, act immediately, don't delay, or else you may miss the boat, as it were. OM radhakutir - "pradeep8_56" <no_reply> <> Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:11 PM Regarding Donations etc Jai Guru Dev Dear Sadhaks, I am not against donations and helping poor but a thought has come in my mind. 1. Everywhere we read that we should help poor and needy people. 2. Also we read that what a person gets in this life is the result of his past Karmas (deeds). Means, a person is poor or has everything because of his own past karmas. Are both the above not contradicting each other?? If I give some money to a poor man or do something for somebody to reduce his sufferings, do I not interfere in his Karmic cycle ? Do I have such a right ? Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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