Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Manoshi, What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from SAV table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become very eager to give results. As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun and nak of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do not know who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV table. I hope its clear ? Cheers !!! Ash , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra runs if > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two planets havegood > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? will there > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 points for 6th > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu is > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dear Ash, What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga chart in their houses? regards Manoshi --- , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from SAV > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become very > eager to give results. > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun and nak > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do not know > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV table. > > I hope its clear ? > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manoshi Chatterjee " > <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra runs if > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two planets > havegood > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? will there > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 points for 6th > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu is > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dear Ash, Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator (due to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is samadharmee to the main significator which has the capability to give results with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi to the main significator be able to give results? --Manoshi , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga > chart in their houses? > > regards > Manoshi > > --- , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from SAV > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become > very > > eager to give results. > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun and > nak > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do not > know > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV > table. > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra runs > if > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two planets > > havegood > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? will > there > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 points > for 6th > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu is > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Dear Manoshi, Then study the planets closely. The result will be based on both planets with equal power. You should also study the planets, who they represent. For example Rahu is SD to Ju and Ve. And this Ju is in libra and Venus is spoilt. If both have say 5 bindus each. Then Rahu will act like both but its result will not be happy i.e for Marriage. So you also need to study the status of the planet closely. If you study more charts such things will get cleared. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga > chart in their houses? > > regards > Manoshi > > --- , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from SAV > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become > very > > eager to give results. > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun and > nak > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do not > know > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV > table. > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra runs > if > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two planets > > havegood > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? will > there > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 points > for 6th > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu is > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Dear Manoshi, It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events happen in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are not satisfactory. Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then there will some problem or the other making the native unsatisfied with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in WS then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break down etc. So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is unable to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say Ju and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has 6 points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju having less power. For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is unable to give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step in or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come forward for a happy event. Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 points and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in that case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in. Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles becomes important. But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub of lowest points or less than 12. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator (due > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is samadharmee > to the main significator which has the capability to give results > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi to > the main significator be able to give results? > > --Manoshi > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga > > chart in their houses? > > > > regards > > Manoshi > > > > --- , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from SAV > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become > > very > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun > and > > nak > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do > not > > know > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV > > table. > > > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > Chatterjee " > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra > runs > > if > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two planets > > > havegood > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? will > > there > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 points > > for 6th > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu is > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 that was a wonderful explanation. Thanx Ash. but how do we predict whether that event will happen or not? you know what I mean...say planet A is not significator for giving child, has less points in WS so naturally I would say it cannnot give child in its sub period, but if it is samadharmi to planet B (which is the main significator to give child), then can planet A will not be capable to give child being samadharmi to the main significator? --Manoshi , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > > It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events happen > in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are not > satisfactory. > > Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then > there will some problem or the other making the native unsatisfied > with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in WS > then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break down > etc. > > So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is unable > to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say Ju > and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has 6 > points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju having > less power. > > For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is unable to > give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step in > or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come forward > for a happy event. > > Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 points > and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in that > case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in. > > Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles becomes > important. > > But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest > significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub of > lowest points or less than 12. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator > (due > > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is samadharmee > > to the main significator which has the capability to give results > > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi > to > > the main significator be able to give results? > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , " Manoshi > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga > > > chart in their houses? > > > > > > regards > > > Manoshi > > > > > > --- --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from > SAV > > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become > > > very > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun > > and > > > nak > > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do > > not > > > know > > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV > > > table. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra > > runs > > > if > > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two > planets > > > > havegood > > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? > will > > > there > > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 > points > > > for 6th > > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu > is > > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Dear Manoshi, You are asking specific question but there is no chart. Now from this mail I can see that u are looking at child birth as an event. I do not know if its a Male or Female chart as In males charts u check 5th house and in female its 5th and 11th. I am sure you know that we first need to check the chart first. Just like for marriage u check all the laws if there is marrriage or not promised, is it happy or not, status of Venus, zeroes, delay etc etc all things considered u come to a decision if there will be a marriage and then u go to time a marriage... using the laws.. which I wont go into.. as I am sure u know. Similarly for child birth then step 1 is to check if there is possibility of child first. For that again its important to know if the chart is that of Female or Male as different houses are considered. 5th for male and 11th and 5th for female. If Rahu and Mars are aspecting 11th house or 5th or the lords of 11th or 5th then there can be problems or there can be miscarriages or even problems for male child. The MD should not be spoilt. Say if its male chart then Guru as per VA is called putrakarak. From KAS we say that Karak is 8th lord from house under consideration. For childbirth for Male, 8th from 5th as B = Pisces i.e. in Kalpurush chart so its lord is Guru. Now Guru should not be distrubed or totally spoilt. Also its important to check the 12th lord of the chart which would make that FK. So these 2 i.e. LoA should be carefully checked first. Without House A, House B cannot function. House A HAS to be healthy. The status of KArak is most important. There there are special yogs like Guru in 5th house is from memory called Kak banz yog (check VA books on this). It means that such a chart might promise to have few children. But again in todays day and age not many people have many children. These might be more applicable back in the days of our grandfathers or forefaters times when people would have 8-10 children. If all conditions are good i.e. status of Guru and 12th lord of the chart is good and unafflicted, House B is had good power, even society should be consdiered (as you know in India generally you will start to time children after marriage and this is not the case in the West so desh kaal paatra is very important to stduy too.) Then after that if everything is proper then in MD of 6th lord or planets in 6th house with more points i.e. Karak for 11th and here I am talking of female chart, or their SD there is good chance of child birth. This will happen in strong significator for 5th house as B for male and say for conception in strong points for 11th or 5th house or LoD or LoE for 5th or 11th house as B. These are for natural child birth. With medical advances, people can go for IVF or test tube babies so these are different. Again its important to see 0's in the chart. 0 in 9th house means 5th from 5th house and 9th is also continuation of lineage. So planets should not have 0 points in 9th house. Again 8th house is important and it denotes semen and ovaries. Again if there is a zero there it can mean something. So like that all angles must be checked. Cheers !!! AshManoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa wrote: that was a wonderful explanation. Thanx Ash. but how do we predict whether that event will happen or not? you know what I mean...say planet A is not significator for giving child, has less points in WS so naturally I would say it cannnot give child in its sub period, but if it is samadharmi to planet B (which is the main significator to give child), then can planet A will not be capable to give child being samadharmi to the main significator?--Manoshi , "ashsam73" wrote:> Dear Manoshi,> > It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events happen > in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are not > satisfactory.> > Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then > there will some problem or the other making the native unsatisfied > with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in WS > then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break down > etc. > > So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is unable > to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say Ju > and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has 6 > points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju having > less power.> > For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is unable to > give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step in > or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come forward > for a happy event.> > Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 points > and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in that > case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in.> > Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles becomes > important.> > But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest > significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub of > lowest points or less than 12.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "Manoshi > Chatterjee" wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator > (due > > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is samadharmee > > to the main significator which has the capability to give results > > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi > to > > the main significator be able to give results?> > > > --Manoshi> > > > , "Manoshi > > Chatterjee" wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the ashtakvarga > > > chart in their houses? > > > > > > regards> > > Manoshi> > > > > > --- , "ashsam73" > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Manoshi,> > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from > SAV > > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E become > > > very > > > > eager to give results.> > > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of sun > > and > > > nak > > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I do > > not > > > know > > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the SAV > > > table. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear ?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu antra > > runs > > > if > > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two > planets > > > > havegood > > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? > will > > > there > > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 > points > > > for 6th > > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say ketu/rahu > is > > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then?> > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Dear Manoshi, Something else came to mind. I think you are thinking that SDs will always step in for primary significator. That is not the case. SDs will only step in if the main planet is not capable due to any reason. Say for example Me was very strong for 5th house and assume its male chart, but the native did not marry in Me antra as he was in delay period, then Say nothing happens in Ketu antra and then say if Venus is SD to Mercury the strongest signficator AND if it has good power means it will be a good samdharmi to Mercury and so Venus can step in that case. Again venus has to be studied carefully. It should not be spoilt. Say think like this, if there are 2 friends in school. One is a nice guy the topper in a class (highest points in WS) and the other chap is a back bencher whos like a dodo and a mischief monger (say a planet with less than 12 points). Now lets called the topper of the class as Planet A and the mischief monger as Planet B. Now in the chart assume both these chaps come in the same sign. So naturally they become samdharmi with means that they are supposed to work together. Or u can say that for a project (child birth) both are supposed to work together. But Planet B will always try to show the class that they are working together (hypocrate) but if he gets a chance he will put planet A into trouble. So it seems that both are working towards the project to make it a success but one chap i.e planet B is not a good friend of Planet A. So he will try to give to show the teacher that he is working but he will fail, so there might be a conceptoin but say if there are other factors like say Rahu and Ma aspecting 11th lord or 5th lord then there might be a miscarriage. So that is why I say that the SD planet also should have good points means that Planet B also should have more than 12 points in WS so in that way he is not playing the role of mischief monger but is genuinly intersted in giving the result. So in that case, say if Planet A falls sick or student A falls sick then student B will take his place and make the project a success. You can only imagine if Student A (the topper) falls sick on the day of project presentation and Student B ( the miscief monger) has to take his place as they are SD (workign on same project) then what will be the final result. I hope u get the essence of what I am trying to expain. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manoshi Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > that was a wonderful explanation. Thanx Ash. but how do we predict > whether that event will happen or not? you know what I mean...say > planet A is not significator for giving child, has less points in > WS so naturally I would say it cannnot give child in its sub period, > but if it is samadharmi to planet B (which is the main significator > to give child), then can planet A will not be capable to give child > being samadharmi to the main significator? > > --Manoshi > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events happen > > in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are > not > > satisfactory. > > > > Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then > > there will some problem or the other making the native unsatisfied > > with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in > WS > > then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break down > > etc. > > > > So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is unable > > to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say Ju > > and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has 6 > > points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju having > > less power. > > > > For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is unable > to > > give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step in > > or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come forward > > for a happy event. > > > > Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 points > > and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in that > > case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in. > > > > Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles > becomes > > important. > > > > But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest > > significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub of > > lowest points or less than 12. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Manoshi > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator > > (due > > > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is > samadharmee > > > to the main significator which has the capability to give > results > > > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi > > to > > > the main significator be able to give results? > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the > ashtakvarga > > > > chart in their houses? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > --- --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from > > SAV > > > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E > become > > > > very > > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of > sun > > > and > > > > nak > > > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I > do > > > not > > > > know > > > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the > SAV > > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu > antra > > > runs > > > > if > > > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two > > planets > > > > > havegood > > > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? > > will > > > > there > > > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 > > points > > > > for 6th > > > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say > ketu/rahu > > is > > > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 hmmmm...:-) anyway, no I dont have any specific chart in mind. I was going through a few charts when it came to my mind if samadharmi can give the results and to what extent. I think things are pretty clear, but solving more charts with events that already happened will help predicting more correctly. --Manoshi , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > Something else came to mind. I think you are thinking that SDs will > always step in for primary significator. That is not the case. SDs > will only step in if the main planet is not capable due to any > reason. > > Say for example Me was very strong for 5th house and assume its male > chart, but the native did not marry in Me antra as he was in delay > period, then Say nothing happens in Ketu antra and then say if Venus > is SD to Mercury the strongest signficator AND if it has good power > means it will be a good samdharmi to Mercury and so Venus can step > in that case. Again venus has to be studied carefully. It should > not be spoilt. > > Say think like this, if there are 2 friends in school. One is a > nice guy the topper in a class (highest points in WS) and the other > chap is a back bencher whos like a dodo and a mischief monger (say a > planet with less than 12 points). > > Now lets called the topper of the class as Planet A and the mischief > monger as Planet B. > > Now in the chart assume both these chaps come in the same sign. So > naturally they become samdharmi with means that they are supposed to > work together. > > Or u can say that for a project (child birth) both are supposed to > work together. > > But Planet B will always try to show the class that they are working > together (hypocrate) but if he gets a chance he will put planet A > into trouble. > > So it seems that both are working towards the project to make it a > success but one chap i.e planet B is not a good friend of Planet A. > So he will try to give to show the teacher that he is working but he > will fail, so there might be a conceptoin but say if there are other > factors like say Rahu and Ma aspecting 11th lord or 5th lord then > there might be a miscarriage. > > So that is why I say that the SD planet also should have good points > means that Planet B also should have more than 12 points in WS so in > that way he is not playing the role of mischief monger but is > genuinly intersted in giving the result. So in that case, say if > Planet A falls sick or student A falls sick then student B will take > his place and make the project a success. > > You can only imagine if Student A (the topper) falls sick on the day > of project presentation and Student B ( the miscief monger) has to > take his place as they are SD (workign on same project) then what > will be the final result. > > I hope u get the essence of what I am trying to expain. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Manoshi > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > that was a wonderful explanation. Thanx Ash. but how do we predict > > whether that event will happen or not? you know what I mean...say > > planet A is not significator for giving child, has less points in > > WS so naturally I would say it cannnot give child in its sub > period, > > but if it is samadharmi to planet B (which is the main > significator > > to give child), then can planet A will not be capable to give > child > > being samadharmi to the main significator? > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events > happen > > > in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are > > not > > > satisfactory. > > > > > > Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then > > > there will some problem or the other making the native > unsatisfied > > > with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in > > WS > > > then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break > down > > > etc. > > > > > > So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is > unable > > > to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say > Ju > > > and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has > 6 > > > points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju > having > > > less power. > > > > > > For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is > unable > > to > > > give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step > in > > > or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come > forward > > > for a happy event. > > > > > > Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 > points > > > and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in > that > > > case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in. > > > > > > Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles > > becomes > > > important. > > > > > > But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest > > > significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub > of > > > lowest points or less than 12. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator > > > (due > > > > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is > > samadharmee > > > > to the main significator which has the capability to give > > results > > > > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being > samadharmi > > > to > > > > the main significator be able to give results? > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the > > ashtakvarga > > > > > chart in their houses? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > --- --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out > from > > > SAV > > > > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E > > become > > > > > very > > > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of > > sun > > > > and > > > > > nak > > > > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I > > do > > > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the > > SAV > > > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu > > antra > > > > runs > > > > > if > > > > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two > > > planets > > > > > > havegood > > > > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less > points? > > > will > > > > > there > > > > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 > > > points > > > > > for 6th > > > > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say > > ketu/rahu > > > is > > > > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 that was a good lesson Ash. Manoshi , Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > You are asking specific question but there is no chart. > > Now from this mail I can see that u are looking at child birth as an event. I do not know if its a Male or Female chart as In males charts u check 5th house and in female its 5th and 11th. > > I am sure you know that we first need to check the chart first. Just like for marriage u check all the laws if there is marrriage or not promised, is it happy or not, status of Venus, zeroes, delay etc etc all things considered u come to a decision if there will be a marriage and then u go to time a marriage... using the laws.. which I wont go into.. as I am sure u know. > > Similarly for child birth then step 1 is to check if there is possibility of child first. For that again its important to know if the chart is that of Female or Male as different houses are considered. 5th for male and 11th and 5th for female. > > If Rahu and Mars are aspecting 11th house or 5th or the lords of 11th or 5th then there can be problems or there can be miscarriages or even problems for male child. > > The MD should not be spoilt. Say if its male chart then Guru as per VA is called putrakarak. From KAS we say that Karak is 8th lord from house under consideration. For childbirth for Male, 8th from 5th as B = Pisces i.e. in Kalpurush chart so its lord is Guru. > > Now Guru should not be distrubed or totally spoilt. Also its important to check the 12th lord of the chart which would make that FK. So these 2 i.e. LoA should be carefully checked first. Without House A, House B cannot function. House A HAS to be healthy. The status of KArak is most important. > > There there are special yogs like Guru in 5th house is from memory called Kak banz yog (check VA books on this). It means that such a chart might promise to have few children. But again in todays day and age not many people have many children. These might be more applicable back in the days of our grandfathers or forefaters times when people would have 8-10 children. > > If all conditions are good i.e. status of Guru and 12th lord of the chart is good and unafflicted, House B is had good power, even society should be consdiered (as you know in India generally you will start to time children after marriage and this is not the case in the West so desh kaal paatra is very important to stduy too.) > > Then after that if everything is proper then in MD of 6th lord or planets in 6th house with more points i.e. Karak for 11th and here I am talking of female chart, or their SD there is good chance of child birth. This will happen in strong significator for 5th house as B for male and say for conception in strong points for 11th or 5th house or LoD or LoE for 5th or 11th house as B. > > These are for natural child birth. With medical advances, people can go for IVF or test tube babies so these are different. > > Again its important to see 0's in the chart. 0 in 9th house means 5th from 5th house and 9th is also continuation of lineage. So planets should not have 0 points in 9th house. > > Again 8th house is important and it denotes semen and ovaries. Again if there is a zero there it can mean something. > > So like that all angles must be checked. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > that was a wonderful explanation. Thanx Ash. but how do we predict > whether that event will happen or not? you know what I mean...say > planet A is not significator for giving child, has less points in > WS so naturally I would say it cannnot give child in its sub period, > but if it is samadharmi to planet B (which is the main significator > to give child), then can planet A will not be capable to give child > being samadharmi to the main significator? > > --Manoshi > > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > It depends on many factors. General rule is that if events happen > > in lowest points or in planets less than 12 then the results are > not > > satisfactory. > > > > Say u are buying a house and the antra is having low points then > > there will some problem or the other making the native unsatisfied > > with the house. Or say if a car is brought in low sub points in > WS > > then such a car might keep giving problems, or constant break down > > etc. > > > > So here u are saying that the strongest significator but is unable > > to give results for whatever reason ... lets take example. Say Ju > > and Ma are in 1 sign. Ju has 20 points for 4th house and Ma has 6 > > points. Now your question is that can Mars step in for Ju having > > less power. > > > > For a happy event I doubt that Mars can step in. If Ju is unable > to > > give result say due to its aspect then some other SD might step in > > or say if Rahu or Ketu are in SD to Ju then they will come forward > > for a happy event. > > > > Now say if the Mars is also SD to Sa and Sa is having say 9 points > > and say Sa is unable to give results for a bad event. So in that > > case Ma who is also having low points will or can step in. > > > > Again solving charts and studying the planet from all angles > becomes > > important. > > > > But general rule is that happy events happen in strongest > > significaor or LoD or LoE and unhappy events happen in the sub of > > lowest points or less than 12. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Manoshi > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Also, say there is a planet which is not the main significator > > (due > > > to different reasons with WS points less etc. ) but is > samadharmee > > > to the main significator which has the capability to give > results > > > with Ws points high etc. Will the first planet being samadharmi > > to > > > the main significator be able to give results? > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > Chatterjee " wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > What if both the planets have the same points in the > ashtakvarga > > > > chart in their houses? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > --- --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > What is Rahu and Ketu more like. That can be found out from > > SAV > > > > > table. Also dont forget, Rahu and Ketu in House D or E > become > > > > very > > > > > eager to give results. > > > > > > > > > > As per your example its clear that say Rahu is in sign of > sun > > > and > > > > nak > > > > > of Venus so its SD to Sun and Venus , but from your data I > do > > > not > > > > know > > > > > who Rahu will act more like ? That you can find from the > SAV > > > > table. > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear ? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > a basic question: what happens when sya rahu or ketu > antra > > > runs > > > > if > > > > > > its is samadharme to two planets and one of those two > > planets > > > > > havegood > > > > > > ponts for a certain house and the other has less points? > > will > > > > there > > > > > > be a mixed result. just to clarify more say sun has 8 > > points > > > > for 6th > > > > > > house and venus has 28 points for 6th house. say > ketu/rahu > > is > > > > > > samadharmee to sun and venus. how do we judge then? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Dear sirs Sorry again but I've got another question. The guru told me to say this mantra OM Ram Rahre Namah 18000 times and Om Amm Angarakay namah 12000 times. What are their meanings? Thank you so much Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Dear Ana, Lisbon is where actually.Peru,Portugal or States. I am bad at geography. Also what is the birth time. I did not see probably You mention it or in fact You did not. The Mantra must have been like this "Om Brahm Bhreem Bhraum Sah Rahve Namah" That is for The North Node of the Moon. The other Mantra is for the Planet Mars. The sweet riceand white clothes must be if the moon is afflicted. The stone Coral is again for the Planet Mars. The other stone must have been Agate (But it comes in various colours). If the Guru is good then we need not be doubting Thomas, if any doubts then,please give your full birth particulars, to make assesment. regards, Bhaskar. , "Ana Maria Mendes" <amjsm.in wrote: > > Dear sirs > > Sorry again but I've got another question. > The guru told me to say this mantra OM Ram Rahre Namah 18000 times > and Om Amm Angarakay namah 12000 times. > What are their meanings? > > Thank you so much > > Ana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 hello Sorry the mantra is exactly as I wrote. Does it exists? The stone is aigrit - is was written by the guru. Lisbon is in Portugal My birth time is 9h05m a.m 2-11-1957 Thank you so much On 1/1/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Ana, > > Lisbon is where actually.Peru,Portugal or States. I am bad at geography. > Also what is the birth time. I did not see probably You mention > it or in fact You did not. > > The Mantra must have been like this > "Om Brahm Bhreem Bhraum Sah Rahve Namah" > > That is for The North Node of the Moon. > > The other Mantra is for the Planet Mars. > > The sweet riceand white clothes must be if the moon is afflicted. > > The stone Coral is again for the Planet Mars. > > The other stone must have been Agate (But it comes in various colours). > > If the Guru is good then we need not be doubting Thomas, > if any doubts then,please > give your full birth particulars, to make assesment. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > <%40>, > "Ana Maria Mendes" > <amjsm.in wrote: > > > > Dear sirs > > > > Sorry again but I've got another question. > > The guru told me to say this mantra OM Ram Rahre Namah 18000 times > > and Om Amm Angarakay namah 12000 times. > > What are their meanings? > > > > Thank you so much > > > > Ana > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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