Shukra and Brihaspati invincible planets

[Guest guest]

A thought if I may introduce into this thread. Planets themselves are

material/tools waiting for the nativity's creative touch to blossom

into whatever the nativity has within himself to bring forth and express.

 

The same tube of paint in the hands of an artist can create Mona Lisa,

but in the hand of a 'child' will most likely end up creating a mess.

 

It is true for venus, jupiter, even saturn and rahu!

 

Sometimes astrologers unintentionally forget that and begin believing

too much in the planet's power and persona, setting up false hopes and

sometimes despair in the nativities they were intending to help.

 

RR

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> Yes. We have seem this in the case of Buddha before he became Buddha,

> Raja Yayati, and Bhakt Tulsidasa among others, and Bhakta Sudama too

> to a certain extent, as when he was awarded a overnight palace(Also a

> attribute of Shukra) by Lord Krishna ,

> he preferred to spend the rest of his days in a kutiya (Hut) in the

> palace premises

> singing the name of the Lord.

> Then theres another category of people who have seen the attributes

> of Venus in another

> form, name and fame, minus the common mans passion attributed to

> Shukra. Among

> these Swami Vivekananda and ParamHansa Yogananda stand out in my

> memory as those, who channelised the passions of Shukra in the

> spiritual mode,

> thus making them great and remembered as they are.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > To appreciate the wisdom of Guru one needs the passion of Shukra.

> > For Maaya and Jeeva are but the two sides of the same coin.

> >

> > Rishi

> >

> >

> > , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kamana or Vasanas - Desires

> > > Acharana - Way of living, Actions

> > >

> > > Kamanas and Acharana stand side by side in Life.

> > > Kama, Kamana or Kamini are co-related and have their

> > > actions or inactions expresses through the senses.

> > >

> > > Shukra expresses the energy of the soul.

> > > Brihaspati works towards reformation, purification and

> > > mutations within.

> > >

> > > Shukra gives tendency towards enjoyments and ultimately

> > > effecting sufferances, then repentance, then attainment of purity

> > > by controlling the senses or when such pleasures become

> > > uninteresting (In case of Raja Yayati or Buddha or Tulsidasji),

> > > whereas Brihaspati gives tendency towards wisdom.

> > >

> > > Shukra leads to action,Brihaspati leads to wisdom.

> > >

> > > Shukra approaches salvation through physical and material

> > > things, whereas,

> > > Brihaspati approaches through wisdom and meditation.

> > >

> > > In Shukra finer philosphical things have expression through the

> > > material things,whereas in

> > > Brihaspati material things are expressed in subtle aspects.

> > >

> > > Shukra views things as as they appear before the eyes(Beauty

> > > in a female for ex.), whereas Brihaspati views things through

> > > feelings (The Sweet nature of the beautiful lady).

> > >

> > > Shukra draws pleasure by creating a sweet atmosphere

> > > around it, for it does not get pleasure in absolute wisdom,

> > > whereas,

> > > Brihaspati draws pleasure through speechless meditation.

> > >

> > > Before Shukra the entire nature as it appears through

> > > the senses , is the absolute truth. By pen,literature,verses,

> > > and romances it is affectionate, emotional and passionate..

> > > Through Music,art,actions, shyness it appeals to the senses,

> > > it arouses the senses.

> > >

> > > Its beautifully espressed symbolically in a Hindi

> > > song of yesteryears.

> > > " Sansaar se bhaage phirte ho,

> > > Bhagwaan ko tum kya paoge ".

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Most welcome Sir to introduce your intelligent thoughts.

Planets are already having potential to do both creation

and destuction or good and bad or pain and pleasure in the

natives life. I would say they are instruments waiting

to be unleashed from the bridles , to play havoc or

grant Grace on the native as per his Purva Karmas (Destiny)

whenever they get power in the Form of Maha Or Antar Dasha

or through transits on vital points.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> A thought if I may introduce into this thread. Planets themselves

are

> material/tools waiting for the nativity's creative touch to blossom

> into whatever the nativity has within himself to bring forth and

express.

>

> The same tube of paint in the hands of an artist can create Mona

Lisa,

> but in the hand of a 'child' will most likely end up creating a

mess.

>

> It is true for venus, jupiter, even saturn and rahu!

>

> Sometimes astrologers unintentionally forget that and begin

believing

> too much in the planet's power and persona, setting up false hopes

and

> sometimes despair in the nativities they were intending to help.

>

> RR

>

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Yes. We have seem this in the case of Buddha before he became

Buddha,

> > Raja Yayati, and Bhakt Tulsidasa among others, and Bhakta Sudama

too

> > to a certain extent, as when he was awarded a overnight palace

(Also a

> > attribute of Shukra) by Lord Krishna ,

> > he preferred to spend the rest of his days in a kutiya (Hut) in

the

> > palace premises

> > singing the name of the Lord.

> > Then theres another category of people who have seen the

attributes

> > of Venus in another

> > form, name and fame, minus the common mans passion attributed to

> > Shukra. Among

> > these Swami Vivekananda and ParamHansa Yogananda stand out in my

> > memory as those, who channelised the passions of Shukra in the

> > spiritual mode,

> > thus making them great and remembered as they are.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To appreciate the wisdom of Guru one needs the passion of

Shukra.

> > > For Maaya and Jeeva are but the two sides of the same coin.

> > >

> > > Rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kamana or Vasanas - Desires

> > > > Acharana - Way of living, Actions

> > > >

> > > > Kamanas and Acharana stand side by side in Life.

> > > > Kama, Kamana or Kamini are co-related and have their

> > > > actions or inactions expresses through the senses.

> > > >

> > > > Shukra expresses the energy of the soul.

> > > > Brihaspati works towards reformation, purification and

> > > > mutations within.

> > > >

> > > > Shukra gives tendency towards enjoyments and ultimately

> > > > effecting sufferances, then repentance, then attainment of

purity

> > > > by controlling the senses or when such pleasures become

> > > > uninteresting (In case of Raja Yayati or Buddha or

Tulsidasji),

> > > > whereas Brihaspati gives tendency towards wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > Shukra leads to action,Brihaspati leads to wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > Shukra approaches salvation through physical and material

> > > > things, whereas,

> > > > Brihaspati approaches through wisdom and meditation.

> > > >

> > > > In Shukra finer philosphical things have expression through

the

> > > > material things,whereas in

> > > > Brihaspati material things are expressed in subtle aspects.

> > > >

> > > > Shukra views things as as they appear before the eyes(Beauty

> > > > in a female for ex.), whereas Brihaspati views things through

> > > > feelings (The Sweet nature of the beautiful lady).

> > > >

> > > > Shukra draws pleasure by creating a sweet atmosphere

> > > > around it, for it does not get pleasure in absolute wisdom,

> > > > whereas,

> > > > Brihaspati draws pleasure through speechless meditation.

> > > >

> > > > Before Shukra the entire nature as it appears through

> > > > the senses , is the absolute truth. By pen,literature,verses,

> > > > and romances it is affectionate, emotional and passionate..

> > > > Through Music,art,actions, shyness it appeals to the senses,

> > > > it arouses the senses.

> > > >

> > > > Its beautifully espressed symbolically in a Hindi

> > > > song of yesteryears.

> > > > " Sansaar se bhaage phirte ho,

> > > > Bhagwaan ko tum kya paoge ".

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What I was saying was that planets have as much potential for

action/effects/expression as the masterpiece potentially hidden in a

set of tubes of paint!

 

The critical ingredient in the creating of art is the human! Also in

the astrological expression of karma :-)

 

RR

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Most welcome Sir to introduce your intelligent thoughts.

> Planets are already having potential to do both creation

> and destuction or good and bad or pain and pleasure in the

> natives life. I would say they are instruments waiting

> to be unleashed from the bridles , to play havoc or

> grant Grace on the native as per his Purva Karmas (Destiny)

> whenever they get power in the Form of Maha Or Antar Dasha

> or through transits on vital points.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > A thought if I may introduce into this thread. Planets themselves

> are

> > material/tools waiting for the nativity's creative touch to blossom

> > into whatever the nativity has within himself to bring forth and

> express.

> >

> > The same tube of paint in the hands of an artist can create Mona

> Lisa,

> > but in the hand of a 'child' will most likely end up creating a

> mess.

> >

> > It is true for venus, jupiter, even saturn and rahu!

> >

> > Sometimes astrologers unintentionally forget that and begin

> believing

> > too much in the planet's power and persona, setting up false hopes

> and

> > sometimes despair in the nativities they were intending to help.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > Yes. We have seem this in the case of Buddha before he became

> Buddha,

> > > Raja Yayati, and Bhakt Tulsidasa among others, and Bhakta Sudama

> too

> > > to a certain extent, as when he was awarded a overnight palace

> (Also a

> > > attribute of Shukra) by Lord Krishna ,

> > > he preferred to spend the rest of his days in a kutiya (Hut) in

> the

> > > palace premises

> > > singing the name of the Lord.

> > > Then theres another category of people who have seen the

> attributes

> > > of Venus in another

> > > form, name and fame, minus the common mans passion attributed to

> > > Shukra. Among

> > > these Swami Vivekananda and ParamHansa Yogananda stand out in my

> > > memory as those, who channelised the passions of Shukra in the

> > > spiritual mode,

> > > thus making them great and remembered as they are.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To appreciate the wisdom of Guru one needs the passion of

> Shukra.

> > > > For Maaya and Jeeva are but the two sides of the same coin.

> > > >

> > > > Rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kamana or Vasanas - Desires

> > > > > Acharana - Way of living, Actions

> > > > >

> > > > > Kamanas and Acharana stand side by side in Life.

> > > > > Kama, Kamana or Kamini are co-related and have their

> > > > > actions or inactions expresses through the senses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra expresses the energy of the soul.

> > > > > Brihaspati works towards reformation, purification and

> > > > > mutations within.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra gives tendency towards enjoyments and ultimately

> > > > > effecting sufferances, then repentance, then attainment of

> purity

> > > > > by controlling the senses or when such pleasures become

> > > > > uninteresting (In case of Raja Yayati or Buddha or

> Tulsidasji),

> > > > > whereas Brihaspati gives tendency towards wisdom.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra leads to action,Brihaspati leads to wisdom.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra approaches salvation through physical and material

> > > > > things, whereas,

> > > > > Brihaspati approaches through wisdom and meditation.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Shukra finer philosphical things have expression through

> the

> > > > > material things,whereas in

> > > > > Brihaspati material things are expressed in subtle aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra views things as as they appear before the eyes(Beauty

> > > > > in a female for ex.), whereas Brihaspati views things through

> > > > > feelings (The Sweet nature of the beautiful lady).

> > > > >

> > > > > Shukra draws pleasure by creating a sweet atmosphere

> > > > > around it, for it does not get pleasure in absolute wisdom,

> > > > > whereas,

> > > > > Brihaspati draws pleasure through speechless meditation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Before Shukra the entire nature as it appears through

> > > > > the senses , is the absolute truth. By pen,literature,verses,

> > > > > and romances it is affectionate, emotional and passionate..

> > > > > Through Music,art,actions, shyness it appeals to the senses,

> > > > > it arouses the senses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its beautifully espressed symbolically in a Hindi

> > > > > song of yesteryears.

> > > > > " Sansaar se bhaage phirte ho,

> > > > > Bhagwaan ko tum kya paoge ".

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>