When will it be dismantled

[cbrahma 0]

Since it appears that the GBC has gone rogue, appointing gurus left and right without scriptural or AC Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada's authorization, the only option must be that it should be dismantled ASAP.

How does one go about doing this in a top-down organization like ISKCON. Who has the power to do so? There has to be a way.

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Since it appears that the GBC has gone rogue, appointing gurus left and right without scriptural or AC Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada's authorization, the only option must be that it should be dismantled ASAP.

How does one go about doing this in a top-down organization like ISKCON. Who has the power to do so? There has to be a way.

 

Let's see whats happening in the present western Vaishnava preaching world:

Someone gets a Bhagavad-gita, which is a main book of Gaudiya-Vaishnavism, and the first thing innocent seekers read, right in the second paragraph of the preface is:

"Our Krishna consciousness movement is genuine, historically authorized, natural and transcendental due to its being based on Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. It is gradually becoming the most popular movement in the entire world, especially amongst the younger generation. It is becoming more and more interesting to the older generation also. Older gentlemen are becoming interested, so much so that the fathers and grandfathers of my disciples are encouraging us by becoming life members of our great society, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness."

(Preface, Bhagavad-gita As It Is, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada).

So before they even begin to read the book, they read that ISKCON is "genuine", "authorised", "transcendental", and a "great society”.

 

The first thing I would want to do after reading this, is to seek out this "great society" ISKCON, promoted as it is by Srila Prabhupada himself, which is easy to do even if there are no contact details for ISKCON in the book. Having then come into contact with ISKCON, which has been completely endorsed by Srila Prabhupada, l will surrender my life fully. Only in doing so I will get cheated by bogus gurus, have my life ruined, and tragically BLAME SRILA PRABHUPADR for this, because HE is the one who directed us to ISKCON by telling us that it is completely bona fide, and consequently we will give up Krishna consciousness altogether - which sadly has been the fate of thousands. And this is just the second paragraph of the Preface. The more they read, and the more books we distribute, the more the above scenario will be repeated. Now it will be argued that some people will not contact ISKCON. Yes, but this will be despite the books, not because of them. Srila Prabhupada promotes ISKCON throughout his books - that was part of the purpose of the books, and indeed it says "Founder Acarya of ISKCON" just on every cover. Therefore, after reading a book, to seek out ISKCON will be the default position.

Who has the power to change the deviating ISKCON Ltd? There has to be a way? First of all all those devotees who live outside of ISKCON have to get together and stop the splitting in too many different groups which are weakening the combined power to almost nil.

 

The many varieties of deviation

 

The reasons why Srila Prabhupada's disciples have disobeyed him and instead created a bogus Guru system vary from individual to individual, but the basic motives are similar: position, control, followers, honour, distinction etc. Unfortunately, if these desires remain, then even if one rejects the bogus Guru System in ISKCON, one will simply replace it with another deviation, which still allows these desires for distinction, honour etc to be satisfied. Thus we are seeing many attempts to"reform" or replace the ISKCON Guru with other solutions, usually by persons who themselves could not "make it" in the current Guru System, or who want to become independent of GBC and Guru control, which fall short of the real solution the original ISKCON, as left us by Srila Prabhupada in 1977: an international society of devotees working together coast to coast, governed by a bona fide GBC, following the initiation system exactly as left by Srila Prabhupada in 1977 via the July 9th directive. We outline here these many varieties of deviation.

 

1) We need another Srila Prabhupada

 

This takes two forms:

a) Look for an elderly Indian who will not fall down:

 

We have seen a mass exodus from ISKCON motivated by its crumbling and failing Guru system, to the relatively "safe" (in terms of falldown) elderly Indian Swamis; HH Narayana Maharaja of the Gaudiya Matha being the most prominent.

 

b) Wait for the self effulgent acarya:

 

Those who do not like the current Gurus, basically use the ritvik system as an excuse to reject the current Gurus, with Srila Prabhupada being merely a convenient "stop gap" while they wait for the "real" Guru to emerge which of course could very well be one of the same people who are following this philosophy! This is also known as "soft" or temporary ritvik.

 

2) Srila Prabhupada is almost the guru of present ISKCON

 

In this variation, Srila Prabhupada is again used to reject the current Gurus, but the back door is still kept open for the followers of this system to maybe also become some sort of Gurus one day. This takes many forms such as:

 

a) Srila Prabhupada is the MAIN Guru: But we still need "pancaratika" Gurus/officiating acaryas who would still have "disciples"; even though Srila Prabhupada is the MAIN object of worship.

 

b) Srila Prabhupada is the PROMINENT Guru: But the current gurus can also remain side by side, and the disciples will effectively have two Gurus Srila Prabhupada as Major Guru, and the current Gurus as Minor Guru. Arguing that we must have 2 diksa Gurus one who gives the transcendental knowledge, and another who gives the "formal diksa" or that we must follow the Ramanuja sampradaya system of one "acarya Guru" for everyone along with “individual-Gurus”, also fall under this category.

 

3) Set up your own matha/society

 

Appearing to come closer to the real solution is the variation which correctly accepts that Srila Prabhupada is the only Guru for all time in ISKCON, and then uses that to reject all authority, and set up one's own matha/temple/society, completely independent of anyone's else control. This allows one or a small number of connected individuals to seiz control of devotees and assets and assume absolute power for themselves. Also, but not always, another feature of this system is that the'GBC/ Ritvik/Temple President' are usually collapsed into one single person or group of persons controlled by one person, who will then act as a self appointed "ritvik acarya" to dispense "ritvik initiations" like confetti to anyone and everyone. This a I lows the "ritvik acarya" to promote himself as the "giver of initiation" (rather like the bogus Gurus do), and hence take an some status vis a vis those seeking initiation "from Srila Prabhupada". Eventually however, by its very nature, this system merely spawns another Gaudiya Matha scenario, when others realize that if anyone can set themselves up with a matha/temple and offer initiation, then even they can do so, and eventually you result in a series of many individual mathas all competing with each other to offer the gift of being initiated as Srila Prabhupada's disciple.

Another variation is to simply use the problems in ISKCON as an excuse to say we must reject ISKCON in toto and form our own new society, just like Srila Prabhupada did with the Gaudiya Matha. It is pointed out that Srila Prabhupada did not try and preach to the Gaudiya Matha, but just formed his own new society called ISKCON. This analogy however fails due to one big difference Srila Prabhupada is the Acarya, and therefore can set up his own society, as acaryas do but we are not acaryas, only disciples, and therefore must simply try and work under the parameters given by Srila Prabhupada.

 

4) Only my issue matters:

 

Another variation is to accept that ISKCON's Guru system is completely bogus, but the solution is to not to re-build the real ISKCON with Srila Prabhupada as the Guru. Rather this issue is considered "less important" compared to whatever individual "issue" is being pushed at the time such as "cow protection"; "poison issue, "women's issue", "varnasrama" etc. Usually there can be as many "answers" and "solutions" all portending to offer the "REAL” fix as there are individuals. However, beginning with the solution that Srila Prabhupada is alone the real Guru for all of humanity for the next many thousands of years has to be the foundation required before anything else can be resolved. Only once this foundation is in place, can we even begin to fix individual symptoms of this root disease of disobedience to Srila Prabhupada.

Due to all the many different varieties of half baked and incomplete alternatives to ISKCON's false Guru system listed above, we have many fractured camps, all claiming to offer an alternative to ISKCON. However replacing the current ISKCON with another deviation in the form of a "ritvik" Gaudiya Matha, with dozens of little societies each with their own self appointed acaryas/leaders, is not the answer for two wrongs never make a right.

 

The actual solution:

 

Give Srila Prabhupada back the ISKCON he bequeathed us in 1977, with the same standards, systems and structure in place, for initiation and everything else, with no shortcuts and half measures, due to a desire to get some short term benefit in our own lifetimes as quickly as possible. Rather, our mission is to create a real bona fide functioning ISKCON, which was Srila Prabhupada's mission, which will benefit future generations for thousands of years.

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The actual solution:

 

Give Srila Prabhupada back the ISKCON he bequeathed us in 1977, with the same standards, systems and structure in place, for initiation and everything else, with no shortcuts and half measures, due to a desire to get some short term benefit in our own lifetimes as quickly as possible. Rather, our mission is to create a real bona fide functioning ISKCON, which was Srila Prabhupada's mission, which will benefit future generations for thousands of years.

Yes return the society (not simply an institution) to its Founder, from the thieves and rascals who have stolen it. They are acting in bad faith placing obstacles on the path of realization. This is so very serious that it is only a matter of time that they will all fall down. ...'Ring around the rosy..."

 

Maybe then sincere devotees can reclaim it.

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Yes return the society (not simply an institution) to its Founder, from the thieves and rascals who have stolen it. They are acting in bad faith placing obstacles on the path of realization. This is so very serious that it is only a matter of time that they will all fall down. ...'Ring around the rosy..."

 

Maybe then sincere devotees can reclaim it.

 

Well they're basically already fallen by disobeying the order of Srila Prabhupada.

What keeps present ISKCON going is that they turned it into a commercialized business which is kept going by the modes of material nature.

Therefore you'll find all these attacks by the material energy like Kazakhstan demolition, Moscow temple-construction tragedy and the ending of book-distribution in European countries and NA.

[cbrahma 0]

With disciples by the nose ring

acaryas are posing

apharada, apharada

they all fall down

[cbrahma 0]

I should have said, it's only a matter of time until they are all exposed as fallen.

Truth is not a priority for these criminals and cheaters. Apparently they would rather kill.

 

 

Well they're basically already fallen by disobeying the order of Srila Prabhupada.

What keeps present ISKCON going is that they turned it into a commercialized business which is kept going by the modes of material nature.

Therefore you'll find all these attacks by the material energy like Kazakhstan demolition, Moscow temple-construction tragedy and the ending of book-distribution in European countries and NA.