Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hello All, I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri etc) is a trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is Pisces according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius according to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. Thanks, Kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hello, I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). -- Regards, François - kishore_kv Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM Ayanamsa choice Hello All, I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri etc) is a trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is Pisces according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius according to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. Thanks, Kishore ---------- Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hi François, Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? Hi Everyone, My birth details are as follows: Time: 00:30 31 Oct 1971 Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. Thanks, Kishore , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden wrote: > > Hello, > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > -- > Regards, > François > > > - > kishore_kv > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > Ayanamsa choice > > > Hello All, > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri etc) is a > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is Pisces > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius according > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > > > > > - --------- > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hello Kishore, I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is the data and offset: (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) ; ----- @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. ; Date is in American format: month day year. /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat permanently ; ----- Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius -- Regards François - kishore_kv Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM Re: Ayanamsa choice Hi François, Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? Hi Everyone, My birth details are as follows: Time: 00:30 31 Oct 1971 Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. Thanks, Kishore , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden wrote: > > Hello, > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > -- > Regards, > François > > > - > kishore_kv > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > Ayanamsa choice > > > Hello All, > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri etc) is a > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is Pisces > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius according > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > > > > > ------------------------- --------- > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Dear Francois and Kishore, Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 which is not correct. The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are Planet Degrees As 23 Cn 40 Su 14 Li 8 Mo 0 Pi 21 Ma 4 Aq 0 Me 27 Li 50 Ju 16 Sc 0 Ve 0 Sc 55 SaR 12 Ta 28 Ra 17 Cp 21 Ke 17 Cn 21 Kishore, you can download a free program from http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using Krushna's Ayanamsa. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden wrote: > > Hello Kishore, > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is the data and offset: > > (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) > > ; ----- > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" > =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat permanently > ; ----- > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > -- > Regards > François > > > - > kishore_kv > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > Hi François, > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > Hi Everyone, > > My birth details are as follows: > Time: 00:30 > 31 Oct 1971 > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > -- > > Regards, > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > etc) is a > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > Pisces > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > according > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > --------- > > > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hello Ash, I all know that. But modern softwares don't use KAS precession rate, just as KAS worksheet (with Swiss ephemeris). The JD1 date I have given takes Spica in polar longitude (Midheaven at 0:0:0 Libra, which is consistent with Surya Siddantha, according to swiss ephemeris. That's why I named Astrolog32 freeware. In some way, what I use is not KAY, but is correct for KAS uses nowadays. Anyway, Raman also stated once that spica polar longitude should be used. Sorry for the mistake, but I though I was clear enough. -- Regards, François - ashsam73 Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:03 AM Re: Ayanamsa choice Dear Francois and Kishore, Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 which is not correct. The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are Planet Degrees As 23 Cn 40 Su 14 Li 8 Mo 0 Pi 21 Ma 4 Aq 0 Me 27 Li 50 Ju 16 Sc 0 Ve 0 Sc 55 SaR 12 Ta 28 Ra 17 Cp 21 Ke 17 Cn 21 Kishore, you can download a free program from http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using Krushna's Ayanamsa. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden wrote: > > Hello Kishore, > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is the data and offset: > > (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) > > ; ------------------------- > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" > =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat permanently > ; ------------------------- > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > -- > Regards > François > > > - > kishore_kv > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > Hi François, > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > Hi Everyone, > > My birth details are as follows: > Time: 00:30 > 31 Oct 1971 > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > -- > > Regards, > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > etc) is a > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > Pisces > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > according > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > --------- > > > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Ash, Can you explain to us why Krushna decided on day 0 as feb 24, 366 and his precession rate. The only thing I read is that is a «family recipe»... Please don't ask us to read the lessons, since many of us don't have them and it is NOT explained in them. -- Regards, Francois - ashsam73 Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:03 AM Re: Ayanamsa choice Dear Francois and Kishore, Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 which is not correct. The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are Planet Degrees As 23 Cn 40 Su 14 Li 8 Mo 0 Pi 21 Ma 4 Aq 0 Me 27 Li 50 Ju 16 Sc 0 Ve 0 Sc 55 SaR 12 Ta 28 Ra 17 Cp 21 Ke 17 Cn 21 Kishore, you can download a free program from http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using Krushna's Ayanamsa. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden wrote: > > Hello Kishore, > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is the data and offset: > > (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) > > ; ------------------------- > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" > =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat permanently > ; ------------------------- > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > -- > Regards > François > > > - > kishore_kv > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > Hi François, > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > Hi Everyone, > > My birth details are as follows: > Time: 00:30 > 31 Oct 1971 > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > -- > > Regards, > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > etc) is a > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > Pisces > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > according > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > --------- > > > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Dear, I am glad to have an updated KAY table. Unfortunately, I feel disappointed (even dceived) that you *always* escape to answer any honest question in regard with Krushna's reason to choose this specific date (24 feb 366). Are we really in front of a family recipe (such as Grandma's cup cakes!?) or is there a scientific reason to KAY? Having no response, I prefer Swiss Ephemeris with their precession rate and to call the ayanamsa I use: «Polar Spica», even if it sounds foolish of me. -- Regards, François , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Francois and Kishore, > > Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 > which is not correct. > > The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. > > The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf > > Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are > > Planet Degrees > As 23 Cn 40 > Su 14 Li 8 > Mo 0 Pi 21 > Ma 4 Aq 0 > Me 27 Li 50 > Ju 16 Sc 0 > Ve 0 Sc 55 > SaR 12 Ta 28 > Ra 17 Cp 21 > Ke 17 Cn 21 > > > Kishore, you can download a free program from > http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using > Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> wrote: > > > > Hello Kishore, > > > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is > the data and offset: > > > > (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) > > > > ; > -- --- > > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > > /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" > > =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] > > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat > permanently > > ; > -- --- > > > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > > > -- > > Regards > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hi François, > > > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > My birth details are as follows: > > Time: 00:30 > > 31 Oct 1971 > > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > - > > > kishore_kv > > > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > > etc) is a > > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > > Pisces > > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > > according > > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > --------- > > > > > > Antivirus avast!: message Entrant sain. > > > > > > Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 0662-1, 2006-12-24 > > > Analyse le : 2006-12-26 02:51:54 > > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Dear Francois, Since you are on KAS list, I prefer to give you an answer here on this list. There is no point in talking about Krushnaji or KAY behind his back. First and foremost, It is not my job or responsibility to answer to any of your questions. If you have an issue with not knowing how to calculate ayanamsa then that is not my problem. The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th Feb 366 AD. You can take this date and the data from the lesson and figure this out for yourself. In our KAS program we have made the required modifications to swiss ephemeris so that it computes the proper values. If some program you have does not include such calculations, then you can take it up with the author of the program and request him/her to add the modifications so that the proper value of KAY is computed. Trying to portray your lack of computational skills to compute the proper value of of Krushna's Ayanamsa, based on modern program, and in the garb of that using that as an excuse to each time trying to ask why the value given is 24th Feb 366 AD is not proper. The value given by Krushnaji is clear and it is 24th Feb 366 AD AND THAT IS THE VALUE OF THE START OF KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA. Changing the values to suite your program's inability to compute the proper value of KAY, and then changing the value of the start date and calling that Krushna's Ayanamsa is not proper. My suggestion is to take it up with the author of the program of your choice, and have him/her compute the proper precession. Hints can be taken from the lesson where value of ayanamsa from 24th Feb 366 AD is given and work backwards. I shall not bother to answer any further questions of your's on Krushna's ayanamsa as there is nothing more I can add. If you are a true scientist and an explorer, then use the lesson as the starting point, and over the years work backwards and do not just restrict yourself to the " modern programs " . What Krushnaji has taught me, and his words are good enough for me. The question is that is his words and lessons good enough for you? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Re: Ayanamsa choice Dear, I am glad to have an updated KAY table. Unfortunately, I feel disappointed (even dceived) that you *always* escape to answer any honest question in regard with Krushna's reason to choose this specific date (24 feb 366). Are we really in front of a family recipe (such as Grandma's cup cakes!?) or is there a scientific reason to KAY? Having no response, I prefer Swiss Ephemeris with their precession rate and to call the ayanamsa I use: «Polar Spica», even if it sounds foolish of me. -- Regards, François , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Francois and Kishore, > > Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 > which is not correct. > > The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. > > The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf > > Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are > > Planet Degrees > As 23 Cn 40 > Su 14 Li 8 > Mo 0 Pi 21 > Ma 4 Aq 0 > Me 27 Li 50 > Ju 16 Sc 0 > Ve 0 Sc 55 > SaR 12 Ta 28 > Ra 17 Cp 21 > Ke 17 Cn 21 > > > Kishore, you can download a free program from > http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using > Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden@> wrote: > > > > Hello Kishore, > > > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is > the data and offset: > > > > (You can save what if between " ; " in a file.dat) > > > > ; > -- --- > > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > > /zi " 03461231 SPICA JD1 " " " > > =s ; Zodiac selection [ " _s " is tropical, " =s " is sidereal] > > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat > permanently > > ; > -- --- > > > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > > > -- > > Regards > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hi François, > > > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > My birth details are as follows: > > Time: 00:30 > > 31 Oct 1971 > > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > - > > > kishore_kv > > > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > > etc) is a > > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > > Pisces > > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > > according > > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Ash, You answered exactly the way I expected: by escaping. After reading the answers on Guruji, on , I understand now why. -- Regards, François This post will be forwarded to JG. , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Francois, > > Since you are on KAS list, I prefer to give you an answer here on this > list. > > There is no point in talking about Krushnaji or KAY behind his back. > > First and foremost, It is not my job or responsibility to answer to > any of your questions. If you have an issue with not knowing how to > calculate ayanamsa then that is not my problem. > > The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th Feb 366 AD. > > You can take this date and the data from the lesson and figure this > out for yourself. > > In our KAS program we have made the required modifications to swiss > ephemeris so that it computes the proper values. If some program you > have does not include such calculations, then you can take it up with > the author of the program and request him/her to add the modifications > so that the proper value of KAY is computed. > > Trying to portray your lack of computational skills to compute the > proper value of of Krushna's Ayanamsa, based on modern program, and in > the garb of that using that as an excuse to each time trying to ask > why the value given is 24th Feb 366 AD is not proper. > > The value given by Krushnaji is clear and it is 24th Feb 366 AD AND > THAT IS THE VALUE OF THE START OF KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA. > > Changing the values to suite your program's inability to compute the > proper value of KAY, and then changing the value of the start date and > calling that Krushna's Ayanamsa is not proper. > > My suggestion is to take it up with the author of the program of your > choice, and have him/her compute the proper precession. > > Hints can be taken from the lesson where value of ayanamsa from 24th > Feb 366 AD is given and work backwards. > > I shall not bother to answer any further questions of your's on > Krushna's ayanamsa as there is nothing more I can add. > > If you are a true scientist and an explorer, then use the lesson as > the starting point, and over the years work backwards and do not just > restrict yourself to the " modern programs " . > > What Krushnaji has taught me, and his words are good enough for me. > > The question is that is his words and lessons good enough for you? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > Dear, > > I am glad to have an updated KAY table. Unfortunately, I feel > disappointed (even dceived) that you *always* escape to answer any > honest question in regard with Krushna's reason to choose this > specific date (24 feb 366). Are we really in front of a family recipe > (such as Grandma's cup cakes!?) or is there a scientific reason to > KAY? Having no response, I prefer Swiss Ephemeris with their > precession rate and to call the ayanamsa I use: «Polar Spica», even > if it sounds foolish of me. > > -- > Regards, > François > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Francois and Kishore, > > > > Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec > 346 > > which is not correct. > > > > The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. > > > > The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up > table. > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf > > > > Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are > > > > Planet Degrees > > As 23 Cn 40 > > Su 14 Li 8 > > Mo 0 Pi 21 > > Ma 4 Aq 0 > > Me 27 Li 50 > > Ju 16 Sc 0 > > Ve 0 Sc 55 > > SaR 12 Ta 28 > > Ra 17 Cp 21 > > Ke 17 Cn 21 > > > > > > Kishore, you can download a free program from > > http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using > > Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Kishore, > > > > > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > > > > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is > > the data and offset: > > > > > > (You can save what if between " ; " in a file.dat) > > > > > > ; > > -- > --- > > > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > > > > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > > > > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > > > /zi " 03461231 SPICA JD1 " " " > > > =s ; Zodiac selection [ " _s " is tropical, " =s " is > sidereal] > > > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > > > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > > > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat > > permanently > > > ; > > -- > --- > > > > > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > > > > > -- > > > Regards > > > François > > > > > > > > > - > > > kishore_kv > > > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > > > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > > > > Hi François, > > > > > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in > 14:19:46 > > > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > My birth details are as follows: > > > Time: 00:30 > > > 31 Oct 1971 > > > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > > > > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa > and > > > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in > Pisces > > > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take > the > > > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to > state > > > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica > in > > > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and > moon > > > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > > > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > kishore_kv > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > > > etc) is a > > > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > > > Pisces > > > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > > > according > > > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 On 12/28/06, François Carrière <alchocoden (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: > > Dear, > > I am glad to have an updated KAY table. Unfortunately, I feel > disappointed (even dceived) that you *always* escape to answer any > honest question in regard with Krushna's reason to choose this > specific date (24 feb 366). Are we really in front of a family recipe > (such as Grandma's cup cakes!?) or is there a scientific reason to > KAY? Having no response, I prefer Swiss Ephemeris with their > precession rate and to call the ayanamsa I use: «Polar Spica», even > if it sounds foolish of me. > > -- > Regards, > François > Dear Francois, Almost every ayanamsa - Lahiri, Fagan, whichever - is based on some postulation. If there were any less indisputable facts, there wouldn't have been as many. I'd, going by what I'd heard (from an astronomer known to my bro) about 24 Feb 366 from someone, been using 1-1-34 behind Lahiri and recall mentioning that on another Group a couple of years or so ago, when Ash immediately responded saying it was the Krushna ayanamsha! Merely two unrelated sources corroborating a date won't make it above board but it might not be such a closet thing after all, as you apprehend now. Just my 0.02, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Ash, You answered exactly the way I expected: by escaping. After reading the answers on Guruji, on , I understand now why. -- Regards, François This post will be forwarded to JG. , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Francois, Since you are on KAS list, I prefer to give you an answer here on this list. There is no point in talking about Krushnaji or KAY behind his back. First and foremost, It is not my job or responsibility to answer to any of your questions. If you have an issue with not knowing how to calculate ayanamsa then that is not my problem. The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th Feb 366 AD. You can take this date and the data from the lesson and figure this out for yourself. In our KAS program we have made the required modifications to swiss ephemeris so that it computes the proper values. If some program you have does not include such calculations, then you can take it up with the author of the program and request him/her to add the modifications so that the proper value of KAY is computed. Trying to portray your lack of computational skills to compute the proper value of of Krushna's Ayanamsa, based on modern program, and in the garb of that using that as an excuse to each time trying to ask why the value given is 24th Feb 366 AD is not proper. The value given by Krushnaji is clear and it is 24th Feb 366 AD AND THAT IS THE VALUE OF THE START OF KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA. Changing the values to suite your program's inability to compute the proper value of KAY, and then changing the value of the start date and calling that Krushna's Ayanamsa is not proper. My suggestion is to take it up with the author of the program of your choice, and have him/her compute the proper precession. Hints can be taken from the lesson where value of ayanamsa from 24th Feb 366 AD is given and work backwards. I shall not bother to answer any further questions of your's on Krushna's ayanamsa as there is nothing more I can add. If you are a true scientist and an explorer, then use the lesson as the starting point, and over the years work backwards and do not just restrict yourself to the "modern programs". What Krushnaji has taught me, and his words are good enough for me. The question is that is his words and lessons good enough for you? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Re: Ayanamsa choice Dear, I am glad to have an updated KAY table. Unfortunately, I feel disappointed (even dceived) that you *always* escape to answer any honest question in regard with Krushna's reason to choose this specific date (24 feb 366). Are we really in front of a family recipe (such as Grandma's cup cakes!?) or is there a scientific reason to KAY? Having no response, I prefer Swiss Ephemeris with their precession rate and to call the ayanamsa I use: «Polar Spica», even if it sounds foolish of me. -- Regards, François , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Francois and Kishore, > > Your program is showing the date of KAY to start when its 31st Dec 346 > which is not correct. > > The starting date of Krushna's Ayanamsa is 24th February 366 AD. > > The details from 24th Feb 366 AD to now are given in the look up table. > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson06.pdf > > Kishore, the value for your chart as per Krushna's Ayanamsa are > > Planet Degrees > As 23 Cn 40 > Su 14 Li 8 > Mo 0 Pi 21 > Ma 4 Aq 0 > Me 27 Li 50 > Ju 16 Sc 0 > Ve 0 Sc 55 > SaR 12 Ta 28 > Ra 17 Cp 21 > Ke 17 Cn 21 > > > Kishore, you can download a free program from > http://krushna.sageasita.com which will help u cast your chart using > Krushna's Ayanamsa. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> wrote: > > > > Hello Kishore, > > > > I null coordinates: 1/1/2000, 0h, 0W and 0N > > > > If you use Astrolog32 http://www.orionsoft.cz/astrolog32/ here is > the data and offset: > > > > (You can save what if between ";" in a file.dat) > > > > ; > -- --- > > @0102 ; Astrolog32 chart info. > > > > ; Date is in American format: month day year. > > > > /qb 12 31 346 5:21:19 ST +0:00 0:00'00W 0:00'00N > > /zi "03461231 SPICA JD1" > > =s ; Zodiac selection ["_s" is tropical, "=s" is sidereal] > > :sm 1 ; this is Lahiri mode > > :s 0.8894147 ; this is offset from Lahiri > > ; the three last lines can be saved (added) in astrolog32.dat > permanently > > ; > -- --- > > > > Here Moon will be 00:07:42 Aquarius > > > > -- > > Regards > > François > > > > > > - > > kishore_kv > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:34 PM > > Re: Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > Hi François, > > > > Which latitude and longitude did you use for moon to be in 14:19:46 > > Libra with Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa? > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > My birth details are as follows: > > Time: 00:30 > > 31 Oct 1971 > > Place: Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India (80E27 and 16N18) > > > > Appreciate if some one can confirm that with Raman's ayanamsa and > > Krushna Jugalkalini ayanamsa mentioned below the Moon is in Pisces > > and with Lahiri ayanamsa Moon is in Aquarius. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , "ALCHOCODEN" <alchocoden@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have reasons to believe that the proper ayanamsha will take the > > polar longitude of a star, as the Surya Siddhanta *seems* to state > > (experienced astrologers will correct me). So if we take Spica in > > polar longitude, then jan 1, 2000 ayanamsha is 22:58:03.422 and moon > > is at 14:19:46 Libra. This is also known as Krushna Jugalkalini > > ayanamsha (who gives, however, 22:58:10). > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > - > > > kishore_kv > > > > > > Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:19 AM > > > Ayanamsa choice > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I wanted to find out if the choice of Ayanamsa (Raman/Lahiri > > etc) is a > > > trial and error process. I am finding that my moon sign is > > Pisces > > > according to Raman's and Yukteswar's ayanamsa and Aquarius > > according > > > to Lahiri. Which one is correct choice and why. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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