sadqa/daan . . .? Karma=memory

December 26, 2006

Mr. Khan,

Words are very powerful, sometimes more powerful than emotions, since

words have no emotions and can come across as very neutral very

innocent but can we all know the damage that NLP and subliminal

messages have caused in some/many humans, particularly when they were

conditioned with words without even the emotions that can be

associated with words and charge those!

Your sentiments and sharing are beautiful when you talk about the

charity and sharing of good fortune that many if not all religions

insist true believers must.

However while commending you upon sharing those wonderful sentiments

and thoughts, i must also bring to the fore your statement:"... to

minimize the dangerous impacts of horos/"

I am sorry but I cannot let that pass. Horoscopes, though sometimes

jestingly dubbed as 'Horrorscopes' are anything but dangerous or

create any impacts on an individual's life! What is dangerous and

harmful is the individual's past sins. This is of course assuming that

the astrologer/jyotishi/horoscope reader believes in the karma theory

and past lifetimes and future lifetimes.

Many jyotishis even begin to use the lingo which somehow shifts the

responsibility for the evil effect on planets and horoscopes and one's

spouse and children and on and on. Anyone but the primary culprit who

probably started the karmic ball rolling by a misguided, misunderstood

mis-conduct in the first place!

I am always flummoxed by this cosmic plan of which we are a part of,

in which each lifetime comes with its nearly guaranteed amnesia. Few

of us remember our past deeds, and past lifetimes and yet we are

supposed to be born to clean up our act, our past messes without the

benefit of directly knowing or recalling what we did in the past?

Would it not be more reasonable if we did remember our deeds and then

assumed more personal responsibility rather than blaming every thing

in the creation other than the one that first did the kukarma? And we

are not even averse of blaming some God who created destiny and the

final straw that makes it impossible to even broach the subject of

personal responsibility, free-will because Hey -- it is all destined!

Perhaps the key missing element is what we are here to learn and that

element is our recall, our recollection of those past sins! As they

say, this life is a drama and we are on the stage and if that is true,

then MEMORY is one faculty that will save our goat because it would

make sure that we REMEMBER our lines and in the proper scene and ACT!

The recollection and realization of the sin and living it is the

biggest karmic remedy and not losing a leg or becoming one-eyed

because of some past sin which had nothing to do with a leg or seeing!

TTYS

RR

, javed khanzadah

<javed_khanzadah wrote:

>

> Hello Mr.Sanjay,

>

> I deeply appreciate your thinking and 100% agree with you.Besides

relegions,my priority is humanitarians,serve them.I always try to give

sadqa/daan.But my questions are still pending ie day by day sadqa/daan

to minimize the dangerous imapacts of horos/

>

> SANJAY ARORA <aroras001 wrote:

>

> HELLO TO ALL FRIENDS,

>

> EITHER MUSLIM,HINDU,SIKH

> OR CRISTIAN. THIS IS MY FELINGS,OPINION.. AND

> INVITATION FOR THOSE PERSONS WHO BELIVE IN GOD..

>

> i am a 36 yrs guy,i am a

> meber of this club, since from last 3 or 4 months i

> had observe that everybody is here in problem on this

> beautiful earth.. including me.. everybody is scared

> about his future,study,marriage.. lot of issues.. its

> fact that stars and horo playing very important role

> in human's life....

>

> but friends,my heart wish to share you something... i

> thinkMY GOD inspire me for this... my opinion is

>

> DO GOOD EFFORTS

> Mr

> this is the right track to live healthy,wealthy and

> happy.. i am not in favor to spend 3 or 4 hours in any

> temple.. or in pooja.. main important is

>

> DO SADKARMA.. like..

>

> 1, GIVE FOOD TO THOSE PERSON WHO HAVE EMPTY STOMACH.

>

> 2, ALWAYS HELP POOR PEOPLES,WITH CLOTH

>

> 3, FEED DAILY TO DOG,COW,BIRDS

>

> 4, DO MEDITATION DAILY ( without any demand from god )

>

> 5, BE HONEST TO YOUR FAMILY,SOCIETY..

>

> friends,i observe that this is the

> right path,if you wish to live,happy and healthy..

> THERE IS NO DIFFERNCE IN RELIGION.. GOD IS ONE..

>

> SABKA MALIK EK...

>

> EITHER YOU A HINDU,MUSLIM,SIKH AUR CRISTIAN.. this is

> my opinion,i had shared with you.. all of you.. and

> now i wish to know your suggestions,comments either

> positive or negative about this issue..

>

> AND I WISH TO INVITE YOU ALL PERSONS FOR MY

> FRIENDSHIP.. TO SHARE OUR GOOD THOUGHTS... TO GET SOME

> GOOD FROM GOD.. TO ACHIEVE OUR TARGET OF SUCCESS IN

> EVERY FIELD..

>

> welcome..

>

> sanjay arora

>

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http://uk.messenger.

>

December 26, 2006

Rohini Ji

Your posts are beautifully written but I often can't realize what actually it tries to say!

I think, people need motivation for everything they do. Be it an expectation of reward, or gods grace, be it a mercy for sinful deeds, present or past. Whatever motive a native may has, the poor people are always benefited by such charities. No one would do a so-called selfless act. No one. A selfless charity is what comes to mind as selfless but that is not really selfless, but THAT charity is just to satisfy the SELF for the pain who has seeing a poor people, and by the charity he feels better.

So whatever motive one might has... the action benefits people.

Even when someone loves GOD, that is not selfless. The idea is given people that there exists someone who is PURE, FLAWLESS, KIND, and PROTECTS THE GOOD, and REWARDS THE GOOD, and PROTECTS US, and thus from some gratefulness, admiration etc., love for God is created in the heart of devotee. It is the QUALITIES of God that is pictured make us love him. No love, no act is selfless.

By the way I agree completely that if we are to be punished for sins of past lives, we must remember what we did, otherwise it makes no sense. What is the point of making a soul punish after making him forget his deeds and giving him a new life? It makes no sense. For this logic recently I am starting to re-think about rebirth belief. It is just like, from a science fiction story, when a robot is destroyed, all you need to do to save THAT ROBOT is to save his MEMORY and put it in some other robots body, then the new robot, having the MEMORY of the old robots becomes CONSCIOUS with the old ones memory thinking "I lived before" and "I did such such things"... just like how many times you change your entire PC, does not matter, but just as yuo put your old hard disk in any new PC, you find your old PC back again, your old desktop, all your old files, documents, etc etc.

Just my two cents :-)

Regards

Tanvir

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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December 26, 2006

Dear Friends,

There is nothing like selflessness in the

world.Everything emanates from Selfishness,i.e.Feel-Good factor,

even in charity.

Second thing equally important is Control.Everyone is

trying to control a situation ,person or things.routes methodologies

apart.

Lastly is the belief in the Supreme,when the brain of

a human cannot find answers.

Check it out.

Regards,

Satish

, "Tanvir" <ultimate

wrote:

>

> Rohini Ji

>

> Your posts are beautifully written but I often can't realize what

actually it tries to say!

>

> I think, people need motivation for everything they do. Be it an

expectation of reward, or gods grace, be it a mercy for sinful

deeds, present or past. Whatever motive a native may has, the poor

people are always benefited by such charities. No one would do a so-

called selfless act. No one. A selfless charity is what comes to

mind as selfless but that is not really selfless, but THAT charity

is just to satisfy the SELF for the pain who has seeing a poor

people, and by the charity he feels better.

>

> So whatever motive one might has... the action benefits people.

>

> Even when someone loves GOD, that is not selfless. The idea is

given people that there exists someone who is PURE, FLAWLESS, KIND,

and PROTECTS THE GOOD, and REWARDS THE GOOD, and PROTECTS US, and

thus from some gratefulness, admiration etc., love for God is

created in the heart of devotee. It is the QUALITIES of God that is

pictured make us love him. No love, no act is selfless.

>

> By the way I agree completely that if we are to be punished for

sins of past lives, we must remember what we did, otherwise it makes

no sense. What is the point of making a soul punish after making him

forget his deeds and giving him a new life? It makes no sense. For

this logic recently I am starting to re-think about rebirth belief.

It is just like, from a science fiction story, when a robot is

destroyed, all you need to do to save THAT ROBOT is to save his

MEMORY and put it in some other robots body, then the new robot,

having the MEMORY of the old robots becomes CONSCIOUS with the old

ones memory thinking "I lived before" and "I did such such

things"... just like how many times you change your entire PC, does

not matter, but just as yuo put your old hard disk in any new PC,

you find your old PC back again, your old desktop, all your old

files, documents, etc etc.

>

> Just my two cents :-)

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

December 26, 2006

Tanvir Ji,

The beauty that you perceive in words seemingly written by me is the

beauty of your soul!

That which you give is what I receive Gratefully as Grace -- hopefully

something that I deserved and better not question!

The difficulty in understanding you have experienced and honestly

expressed or perhaps meaninglessness as many have too quickly jumped

at and on me cruelly, more so in other forums and what they innocently

assumed was under their assumed names ;-) must be my memory monitors!

They are the knots that I tied in my hair sometime ago so that I may

remember things when I comb -- as the story you all must have heard!

Unfortunately, as I comb, the knots just get in the way and remind me

of nothing! I pull hard, the knot pulls the hair, the hair these

mnemonics were supposed to be just get uprooted and I grow balder by

their day and my night (different time zones!). Sometimes if not OFTEN

these knots remind me of nits (headlice) which attach to one's hair

generally during infancy and when combed, are revealed and eradicated

pretty much!

Baldness has a few advantages! No need to make frequent trips to

barbers! <Have you noticed their charges lately? They can bring shame

to motor mechanics and electricians, I say!>

Also as hair (vanity) reduces, so do 'attachments' -- again a head

louse/nit reference!

When I write, I write for *that* one person who understands what I

write and each time I have doubted that, the person has come forth to

reassure me, each time a different person and often privately! If at

the time of writing, I would have known which person I am writing to,

Tanvir, I would not be writing publicly but only to that person that I

had been writing publicly to and for all these years! Do you

understand my quandry and dwidha and difficulty and limitation?

If mothers, many mothers, all mothers can love their children or at

least one of their children selfishly and surely there are so many

examples around, even in our individual and personal families or close

ones, then why is it so difficult to conceive of and accept that some

acts NAY some LIVES are or can be actually -- selfless! Maybe not

every single moment in those lives but LIVES overall, surely? Mothers

have been given only one house by jytotis or perhaps by jyotishi, the

fourth, but fathers have been dragged over two houses, ninth and tenth

even in BPHS! There is a reason why the male parents tend to be so

distracted and the female parents are generally so focused!

Neither the beauty nor the difficult syntax or reasoning that you

perceive in my offerings and so directly expressed are mine alone, but

came from you, dear reader!

That was a beautiful thought and story line, btw, about Robot and his

memory, however grounded reality is this Tanvir bhai:

Over the last 20+ years I have changed so many robots, computers --

you know! Even platforms from a zx-81/Sinclair Basic to CBM Basic to

MSDOS to W3.1 to W93 and XP with NT and so on thrown in in parallel

lives (work) and many of the same programs and certainly text files

came along for the ride through all these *realities*. But -- Tanvir

ji, not one memory chip, the physical memory has come along or could

be transferred physically as in take this chip and plug in that other

robot now so important in your life and your reality shall continue!

The first ever memorychip that I could see that happen was when I used

a digital camera! The compact flash card allowed me to move it from

body to body and while each time I shivered in trepidation that images

would be lost - nothing happened, and they all got transferred and

preserved and copied umpteen times over! Surely -- optical imaging and

viewing has a tangible reality that supercedes other realities! Seeing

is believing they say!!

And yet, only in 2005 it had to occur! I went on a short but important

and {expensive} tour and when I came back several of my very important

personally speaking -- images were simply wiped clean! I did lament

for several weeks, being an ordinary ant, attached to life and living

until it suddenly was brought to my attention that it was not the lost

images but my memory of those moments photographed afraid of being

lost that were causing the anguish and sense of loss! What was the

saving grace was the fact that I remembered those moments vividly in

all their details and suddenly the pain of the loss of those images

went away, completely! POOF!!

And I began wondering ... If we human incarnations could indeed recall

all those moments happy (in my case) and not so happy (also in my

case, but in 2006) vividly, from lifetime to lifetime, we would not

need astrology and priests and perhaps even God! We would remember and

we would do the right thing at the right time without being asked or

reminded!

It is this amnesia across lifetimes that makes us dependent on

memory-aids in some cases, perhaps in most cases that are beyond our

control, like divination and religion and so on.

Does this make a bit more sense or am I just holding the pen and

someone else is writing?

RR

, "Tanvir" <ultimate wrote:

>

> Rohini Ji

>

> Your posts are beautifully written but I often can't realize what

actually it tries to say!

>

> I think, people need motivation for everything they do. Be it an

expectation of reward, or gods grace, be it a mercy for sinful deeds,

present or past. Whatever motive a native may has, the poor people are

always benefited by such charities. No one would do a so-called

selfless act. No one. A selfless charity is what comes to mind as

selfless but that is not really selfless, but THAT charity is just to

satisfy the SELF for the pain who has seeing a poor people, and by the

charity he feels better.

>

> So whatever motive one might has... the action benefits people.

>

> Even when someone loves GOD, that is not selfless. The idea is given

people that there exists someone who is PURE, FLAWLESS, KIND, and

PROTECTS THE GOOD, and REWARDS THE GOOD, and PROTECTS US, and thus

from some gratefulness, admiration etc., love for God is created in

the heart of devotee. It is the QUALITIES of God that is pictured make

us love him. No love, no act is selfless.

>

> By the way I agree completely that if we are to be punished for sins

of past lives, we must remember what we did, otherwise it makes no

sense. What is the point of making a soul punish after making him

forget his deeds and giving him a new life? It makes no sense. For

this logic recently I am starting to re-think about rebirth belief. It

is just like, from a science fiction story, when a robot is destroyed,

all you need to do to save THAT ROBOT is to save his MEMORY and put it

in some other robots body, then the new robot, having the MEMORY of

the old robots becomes CONSCIOUS with the old ones memory thinking "I

lived before" and "I did such such things"... just like how many times

you change your entire PC, does not matter, but just as yuo put your

old hard disk in any new PC, you find your old PC back again, your old

desktop, all your old files, documents, etc etc.

>

> Just my two cents :-)

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

December 26, 2006

Shri Tanvirji,

That was a good one.

On the latter part of the mail, Yes its at time very diffcult to

adjust with the fact that why this body should suffer ? Why

did God do this ? When we do not remember, and it was the other body

that must have been the perpetrator, then why this body suffer ?

But then if we remember all, it could create problems too.

I may realise that the neighbours wife was my own wife in the

last birth, and her husband may remember that I had killed him or

hurt him in the last birth. and many other such situations which

would be hilarious but at the same time dangerous too.

But again do we have any choice ? No not at all.

But I think most of us (Including me and few of my family members)

have decided to ask God when we meet Him, what was the exact logic

behind this .

It may have been to keep this Game of His continued eternally,

otherwise what would He do all alone.That is one of the reasons He

has made many parts from his own and given us all seperate individual

identities. Anyway He is great.

Yes You said also about 'Selfless'. Only few or none at all may be

selfless. Even when we breathe in freely available air, it is

for us to live. Breathing is also to live, what to say about other

thoughts,impulses and actions. Everything here is based on

some motive, good or bad, to gain something material, or feelings of

pleasure,or to feed the Ego or to the mind or to the senses of having

achieved etc.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "Tanvir" <ultimate

wrote:

>

> Rohini Ji

>

> Your posts are beautifully written but I often can't realize what

actually it tries to say!

>

> I think, people need motivation for everything they do. Be it an

expectation of reward, or gods grace, be it a mercy for sinful deeds,

present or past. Whatever motive a native may has, the poor people

are always benefited by such charities. No one would do a so-called

selfless act. No one. A selfless charity is what comes to mind as

selfless but that is not really selfless, but THAT charity is just to

satisfy the SELF for the pain who has seeing a poor people, and by

the charity he feels better.

>

> So whatever motive one might has... the action benefits people.

>

> Even when someone loves GOD, that is not selfless. The idea is

given people that there exists someone who is PURE, FLAWLESS, KIND,

and PROTECTS THE GOOD, and REWARDS THE GOOD, and PROTECTS US, and

thus from some gratefulness, admiration etc., love for God is created

in the heart of devotee. It is the QUALITIES of God that is pictured

make us love him. No love, no act is selfless.