Full time astrologer birth details require 25/12

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Dear RRji,

 

ur last line says it all, apart from the crux of what u and we have all said in the past a piece meal or one point item can't make it happen or give credibelity of research, well if this was a Govt proj would make sense for time pass, money, status title for the undertaker here no money is likely to come and time pass anyone is free to do.

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Satish ji,

 

Season's Greetings to you and your loved ones!

 

This 8/10 thing is not my theory, by the way. How I feel about it and

some data has been included in my response to Yogita ji a few messages

earlier. Please peruse that when you have the time.

 

There are problems with one size fits all type of combinations in

jyotish and other astrologies. I feel it my duty to caution against

these, as you may have noticed from time to time. Jyotish is simply

not that black and white or simplistic.

 

Ideal way of coming up with good novel research is to start with some

logical hypothesis, which is generally done. However, the next step

must be rigorous research with charts. Only then must come a

pronouncement with some validation. Stating a theory and then

beginning to look for charts to prove the same is not the right

approach. I only hope that serious researchers in jyotish do not do that!

 

RR

 

, "R Satish" <rsatish1942

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear RR and other friends,

>

> First things first,this is the season

> for celebrations.Let me wish you all members/families "May The Year

> @007 Bring Abundance into your lives."

>

> I read with interest the combination

> of 8thand 10th lords as a prerequisite for full time astrologer

> earning a living on astrology.

>

> Having read Ms Yogitha's notes,I

> thought I might pitch in. I am a Taurus Lagna person,having both

> Saturn(9/10th lords) and Jupiter(8/11th Lords)in Lagna.

>

> I am not a practising Astrologer at

> all,I am in the sunset years of my life,and dabble in astrology as a

> healthy side activity apart from others.I am a student of astrology

> in the true sense.

>

> Where do I fit in the theory

> propounded?

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Yogita ji,

> >

> > While your strong passion for, knowledge of and a substantial

> lineage

> > in the field of jyotish is there, you are obviously not earning

> your

> > living from astrology. This thread started with the contention

> that a

> > full-time astrologer would be one who is a professional and thus

> > earning a livelihood from astrology.

> >

> > And yet in your case this combination, the joining of lords of 8th

> and

> > 10th which is being proposed as a sine qua non for an astrologer

> here

> > does show up. And yet you are not earning your livelihood from

> > astrology and surely your research in the pharmaceutical area must

> be

> > taking a lot of your time and attention!

> >

> > The tenth house is the house of karma and has somehow become a

> primary

> > marker of one's profession! It very well describes your intense

> > association with jyotish almost in a karmic manner. It is

> important to

> > note that.

> >

> > As far as this 8th house 10th house postulate is being explored,

> wise

> > researchers or at least cautious researchers would note that the

> 8th

> > represents occult but also other areas, such as research which is a

> > field you are in. It would also cover a huge variety of occultism

> > related areas and not just astrology, let alone jyotish!

> >

> > Since this is becoming such an important issue here in some

> quarters,

> > I ran a search through 18536 good quality natal charts and here are

> > the findings:

> >

> > 3845 cases had R8 aspecting R10

> > 2724 cases had R8 in the same sign as R10

> >

> > That seems to be a high proportion in the mixed subgroup to be a

> > reliable identifier of a specific profession such as FULL-TIME

> JYOTISH

> > would be! Or even if all occultism were lumped together, which

> would

> > be simply silly given the very different modalities used in the

> > different divinatory crafts. Unless someone is using intuition

> alone

> > and in that case the horoscope just becomes a sensory attachment

> point

> > while the inner-spirit does the work, if you catch my drift.

> >

> > Oh and another thing -- the subset of 3845/2724 charts had all

> kinds

> > of profession (FULL TIME) including army people, poets, musicians,

> > vendors, scientists, journalists, lawyers, many actors,

> > sportspersonalities.

> >

> > CAVEAT EMPTOR (BUYER BEWARE!) or maybe I should say:

> > CAVEAT RESEARCHER!

> >

> > Since you are a jyotishi, you must be aware of this based on your

> > chart and you may already be doing this --> It will be beneficial

> to

> > you to give astrological readings in charity, for free. Not 100% of

> > times but a certain portion of your readings.

> >

> > Good luck and much success.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Yogita Purohit

> > <yogitapurohit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Mr tarun,

> > >

> > > Basically i am into Research Feild working With ZAndu Pharma

> and

> > have done in Postgradution in Plant Pathology and MS in Psychology

> and

> > Counselling. Knowledge of astrology runs into me through my

> > hereditary. I am into this for past 8-10 years. And in my future i

> see

> > that i give myself completely into this as this field catches me

> alot

> > compared to my other areas and my psychology base gives me more

> smooth

> > support in judging any Horo. Currently i am writing articles . Last

> > year i got a gold medal from Jyotish Vidyamandir for My article

> Badhak

> > Sthans and its effect.

> > >

> > > Bye

> > >

> > > Yogita

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra <occult_wizard@> wrote:

> > > DearYogita

> > > When we calculate your chart it shows that you have eight lord

> and

> > tenth lord combined and this aspect come from both lahiri and mine

> > ayanamsha. If you want to add your page in the web site you can

> send

> > me more details about your self what you do and what style of

> > astrology practise you do and from how many years you have been

> into

> > astrology field any good introduction in the group will also solve

> the

> > purpose

> > >

> > > It is very good that this community have a list of good

> astrologers

> > which will benfit the astrology as an subject

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra

> > > http://www.occultwizard.com

> > >

> > > Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit@> wrote: Hello,

> > >

> > > My Birth details

> > >

> > > DOB: 27/10/1976

> > >

> > > POB: Mumbai

> > >

> > > TOB: morn 9:30 am

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Yogita

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra <occult_wizard@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello members

> > >

> > > I would like to have the birth details of full time astrologers

> on

> > the list and i want to see if there is link of eight house with

> tenth

> > house in their chart, as i have direct link of eight house with

> tenth

> > house and i am full time into this i.e. i am earning money only

> from

> > astrology and other occult subjects . Let us see if any other

> > astrologer who is into full time astrologer is having this

> combination

> > or not

> > >

> > > I will be adding their chart on the web site with both ayanamsha

> > like i did in this case http://www.occultwizard.com/aushotosh.htm

> > >

> > > Let us discuss this aspect that an full time astrologer has a

> link

> > of tenth house with eight house or not

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Mr. Chopra,

> > >

> > > It is not about right or wrong necessarily. Tenth house is indeed

> > > associated with karma and that includes the vocation and

> profession,

> > > however the clear association does not always show up in the

> chart.

> > > House of income often has a say too as well as other houses.

> > >

> > > It is not safe to use the single factor as you utilized to

> consider it

> > > as a definitive proof that an ayanamsha works or not.

> > >

> > > I am not sure if Ashutoshji is on the list or not or actively so,

> > > hence it would not be proper of me to talk about his horoscope

> any

> > > further. You are not bound by my code of conduct, of course!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Tarun Chopra

> > > <occult_wizard@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So Mr Rohini Ranjan you are saying the point which i have

> raised is

> > > wrong that for astrology as a profession a person should not

> have a

> > > link of eight house with profession house.

> > > >

> > > > Tarun Chopra

> > > > www.occultwizard.com

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > Aren't you missing the obvious, Tarun?

> > > >

> > > > 8th lord in house of income 11th can explain a jyotish

> profession

> > > > without having to use any exotic ayanamsha or house divisions.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Tarun Chopra

> > > > <occult_wizard@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Group Members

> > > > >

> > > > > Since Aushtosh who has mentioned his birth details here in

> this

> > > > group and also mentioned that he is full time astrologer i

> thought

> > > > to Analise his chart with both ayanamsa i.e. Lahiri (L.A) and

> Mine

> > > > (T.A)

> > > > >

> > > > > now for astrology profession we should have our tenth house

> link

> > > > with eight house because Tenth is profession house and eight

> is

> > > > house of occult and astrology is an subject of occult.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now when we look at this chart With L.A we see that the lord

> of

> > > > tenth house is placed in seventh house that is there is no

> link of

> > > > tenth house with eight house and now if we calculate this

> chart with

> > > > T.A we see that his tenth lord is placed in eight house the

> house of

> > > > occult subjects

> > > > >

> > > > > Now i am not understanding why the good astrologers like

> ashuthosh

> > > > does not look at this aspect.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am attaching his horoscope both lahiri and mine (T.A) on

> this

> > > > link so that other astrologer could see it

> > > > http://www.occultwizard.com/aushotosh.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope astrologer Ashutosh do not leave this group,

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun Chopra

> > > > > consult your horoscope online http://www.occultwizard.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@>

> > > > wrote: Dear group,

> > > > >

> > > > > For nineteen months I was a member of this group. I enjoyed

> being

> > > > here and also took part in some of the intelligent, thought

> provoking

> > > > discussions here.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is time for me to leave '' group.

> > > > >

> > > > > I apologise if I have hurt anyone intentionally or

> > > > unintentionally, as a member or as a moderator. I will be

> active on

> > > > my own groups viz 'marital_astrology' and 'jyotish_vigyan'. My

> > > > schedule has become too busy to be an active member of big

> groups

> > > > like JR and 'valist'.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am presently acting as a moderator on Das Goravani's

> > > > group 'valist' too, which too I will leave as and when he

> desires to

> > > > take charge of his group. Das Goravani is the creator of

> Goravani

> > > > Jyotish Software. His knowledge about astrology and

> Hindu/Indian

> > > > culture is beyond comparison. He needs no introduction to the

> members

> > > > who have been on internet for a while. It is my good fortune

> that a

> > > > person of his caliber, stature and fame has given me some

> > > > responsibility.

> > > > >

> > > > > The task of a non-owner moderator is like walking on sword's

> > > > blade. He has to go through each and every mail taking extra

> time for

> > > > this. Offline requests, complaints, messages from members and

> abuses

> > > > from the moderated members, have to be handled too. I do not

> believe

> > > > in entertaining each and every thought just for the sake of

> > > > discussions. I am autocratic too, exalted Mars, but the

> autocracy is

> > > > not to forward own ego but to avoid any possible problems. My

> own

> > > > groups are very strictly moderated with each message screened

> before

> > > > being cleared. The message frequency is very less but the

> members get

> > > > focused advice only.

> > > > >

> > > > > My sun antardasha in Jupiter mahadasha is ending in February

> 2007.

> > > > Till then, some instability will remain, in one way or other,

> in my

> > > > life. For astrology students, my birth details are as under:

> > > > >

> > > > > 19th October 1971

> > > > > 00.10 hrs

> > > > > Jodhpur (Rajasthan)

> > > > > India

> > > > > 26N18 73E08

> > > > >

> > > > > The interesting part is that I am leaving JR when my Jup-Sun-

> Ketu

> > > > is on. Ketu, the knife which cuts away permanently. Sun is in

> transit

> > > > in my sixth house. Ketu is in second house (family, group)

> alongwith

> > > > Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > About me. I am a self-employed full time astrologer. I have

> > > > dedicated my life to this science. It is not a mere hobby or a

> > > > pastime for me. Every single penny I have earned till date has

> been

> > > > through astrological practices. Everyone who knows me

> recognises me

> > > > as an astrologer only though I have multitude of other talents

> too.

> > > > Each one of these talents are

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not an advertisement of myself but a clarification

> why I

> > > > am so serious about keeping the sanctity of astrology intact.

> My

> > > > efforts are to give astrology a status of a recognised

> service. I

> > > > have discussed this matter with some of my clients who hold

> high

> > > > posts in the revenue department of the Government of India. I

> have

> > > > even offered to pay a service tax to the government if they

> include

> > > > astrological practices in the list of services being taxed.

> > > > >

> > > > > That will at least give some recognition to this ancient

> science

> > > > in its own land of origin.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some last words of suggestions:

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology should not be trivialized in the name of

> discussions.

> > > > Many a times, the essence of subject is lost and other

> meaningless

> > > > matters are brought into the debates. This makes the learners

> loose

> > > > interest in astrology itself. The focus should be to keep the

> > > > discussions to the point and free from any personal opinions

> and

> > > > prejudices.

> > > > >

> > > > > Every astrologer, including me, has his/her own weaknesses.

> > > > Understanding them is more important than understanding

> others'

> > > > weaknesses. One cannot clean a floor with dirty water. The

> water

> > > > itself should be clean in the first place.

> > > > >

> > > > > An astrologer's best tool is his expressions, through

> speech,

> > > > writing or action. These expressions should have only the

> benefit of

> > > > the solution seeker in mind. Yes, one must make sure that the

> seeker

> > > > is genuine, then the correct and ethical solutions should be

> offered.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes to all. May '' thrive and

> prosper

> > > > always. Many thanks to all members for tolerating me for so

> long.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lastly, A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TANVIR. May you shine like

> a

> > > > thousand suns and may your brilliance lighten all corners of

> the

> > > > universe.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashutosh

> > > > >

> > > > >