Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Hey all, What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one who's been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long time? --Acyuta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- SOUL cannot age, right? However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature and wise and grounded and so on! If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin with the Jaimini Atmakaraka! Please share RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa wrote: > > Hey all, > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one who's been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long time? > > --Acyuta > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above cond'ns. -Acyuta Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- SOUL cannot age, right? However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature and wise and grounded and so on! If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin with the Jaimini Atmakaraka! Please share RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one who's been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long time? > > --Acyuta > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > http://mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Dear Poster! I am glad you know all that! Even Gita! What else remains after that? But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: **************************************** What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above cond'ns. **************************************** Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many personal planets (article at boloji.com!) When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter there must be a different signature, right? RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa wrote: > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above cond'ns. > > -Acyuta > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature and > wise and grounded and so on! > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin with > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > Please share > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one who's > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long time? > > > > --Acyuta > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different ways. To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. Any thoughts? -Acyuta Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? Dear Poster! I am glad you know all that! Even Gita! What else remains after that? But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: ************ ********* ********* ********* * What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above cond'ns. ************ ********* ********* ********* * Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many personal planets (article at boloji.com!) When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter there must be a different signature, right? RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above cond'ns. > > -Acyuta > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature and > wise and grounded and so on! > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin with > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > Please share > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one who's > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long time? > > > > --Acyuta > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Degrees of the spiritual planet jupiter and degree of spirituality sounds interesting, particularly if it happens to be really advanced and thus likely to become atmakaraka or amatyakarka as opposed to gnatikaraka and darakaraka! Pleasa let us know if you pursue that line of research and have interesting findings to share. Thanks in advance... RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa wrote: > > I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different ways. > > To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. > > My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. > > Any thoughts? > -Acyuta > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > Dear Poster! > > I am glad you know all that! > > Even Gita! > > What else remains after that? > > But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' > is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? > That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations > that satisfy the above cond'ns. > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many > personal planets (article at boloji.com!) > > When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter > there must be a different signature, right? > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya > Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) > we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at > its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just > an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you > examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can > see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... > Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above > cond'ns. > > > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature > and > > wise and grounded and so on! > > > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin > with > > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > > > Please share > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one > who's > > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long > time? > > > > > > --Acyuta > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 I think I am going to shift away from that whole line of research, as preliminary findings/intuition seem to negate Jupiter's relationship with the charakarakas quite entirely. Rather I recall KN Rao (I hope he's not earned an unspoken taboo here) saying that Jupiter aspecting Ketu in the 12th gives some paranormal knowledge of what 'disciples' truly desire. My Guru also has this yoga, but it's not Ketu in the 12th, rather Ketu is in the second with Jupiter in 6th. Rising is Pisces. Haven't rectified the birth time as much is not known about his past. Ven/Mars conj in lagna, Sun/Moon conj in cap, sat in 7th and merc in 12th. My estimates lead to his birth date being feb 2nd 1921 Buxar India 8:58 AM (unrectified, only know from another astrologer that venus is ex'd in lagna implying pisces rising, also born on amavasya tithi, in what i believe is sravan nakshatra) seems to show AK as sun, with AmK as Jup. Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:39:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? Degrees of the spiritual planet jupiter and degree of spirituality sounds interesting, particularly if it happens to be really advanced and thus likely to become atmakaraka or amatyakarka as opposed to gnatikaraka and darakaraka! Pleasa let us know if you pursue that line of research and have interesting findings to share. Thanks in advance... RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different ways. > > To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. > > My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. > > Any thoughts? > -Acyuta > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > Dear Poster! > > I am glad you know all that! > > Even Gita! > > What else remains after that? > > But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' > is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? > That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations > that satisfy the above cond'ns. > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many > personal planets (article at boloji.com!) > > When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter > there must be a different signature, right? > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya > Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) > we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at > its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just > an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you > examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can > see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... > Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above > cond'ns. > > > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature > and > > wise and grounded and so on! > > > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin > with > > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > > > Please share > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one > who's > > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long > time? > > > > > > --Acyuta > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Hi...I assume an "old soul" translates as "one who is spiritually advanced," in which case you may gain some insight from this article titled "Planets and Philosophers" written by Justice S.N. Kapoor and posted at: http://www.astrologicalmagazine.com/Selected% 20Articles.htm Namaste, Juliana vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa wrote: > > I think I am going to shift away from that whole line of research, as preliminary findings/intuition seem to negate Jupiter's relationship with the charakarakas quite entirely. Rather I recall KN Rao (I hope he's not earned an unspoken taboo here) saying that Jupiter aspecting Ketu in the 12th gives some paranormal knowledge of what 'disciples' truly desire. My Guru also has this yoga, but it's not Ketu in the 12th, rather Ketu is in the second with Jupiter in 6th. Rising is Pisces. Haven't rectified the birth time as much is not known about his past. Ven/Mars conj in lagna, Sun/Moon conj in cap, sat in 7th and merc in 12th. My estimates lead to his birth date being feb 2nd 1921 Buxar India 8:58 AM (unrectified, only know from another astrologer that venus is ex'd in lagna implying pisces rising, also born on amavasya tithi, in what i believe is sravan nakshatra) seems to show AK as sun, with AmK as Jup. > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:39:32 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > Degrees of the spiritual planet jupiter and degree of spirituality > sounds interesting, particularly if it happens to be really advanced > and thus likely to become atmakaraka or amatyakarka as opposed to > gnatikaraka and darakaraka! > > Pleasa let us know if you pursue that line of research and have > interesting findings to share. Thanks in advance... > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as > it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different > ways. > > > > To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved > souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC > Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, > Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary > platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his > daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than > those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who > fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite > clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the > Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. > > > > My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which > would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to > this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at > degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, > however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not > seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. > > > > Any thoughts? > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > Dear Poster! > > > > I am glad you know all that! > > > > Even Gita! > > > > What else remains after that? > > > > But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' > > is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? > > That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations > > that satisfy the above cond'ns. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > > > Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many > > personal planets (article at boloji.com!) > > > > When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter > > there must be a different signature, right? > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > > > > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya > > Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) > > we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at > > its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just > > an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you > > examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can > > see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... > > Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above > > cond'ns. > > > > > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > > > > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > > > > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature > > and > > > wise and grounded and so on! > > > > > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin > > with > > > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > > > > > Please share > > > > > > RR > > > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one > > who's > > > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long > > time? > > > > > > > > --Acyuta > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > http://mail. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Sri Acyutji, Just for making sure I understand your last post fully, a few questions: Are you saying that jupiter does not have any role as a charakaraka Or were you saying that charakarakas as a principle do not work out? Or jupiter does not have a role in spiritual progress? That 12th house somehow does not have any association with spirituality/spiritual growth? Please correct me if I understood any or all of these wrongly from your written words. Thanks and Season's Greetings! RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa wrote: > > I think I am going to shift away from that whole line of research, as preliminary findings/intuition seem to negate Jupiter's relationship with the charakarakas quite entirely. Rather I recall KN Rao (I hope he's not earned an unspoken taboo here) saying that Jupiter aspecting Ketu in the 12th gives some paranormal knowledge of what 'disciples' truly desire. My Guru also has this yoga, but it's not Ketu in the 12th, rather Ketu is in the second with Jupiter in 6th. Rising is Pisces. Haven't rectified the birth time as much is not known about his past. Ven/Mars conj in lagna, Sun/Moon conj in cap, sat in 7th and merc in 12th. My estimates lead to his birth date being feb 2nd 1921 Buxar India 8:58 AM (unrectified, only know from another astrologer that venus is ex'd in lagna implying pisces rising, also born on amavasya tithi, in what i believe is sravan nakshatra) seems to show AK as sun, with AmK as Jup. > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:39:32 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > Degrees of the spiritual planet jupiter and degree of spirituality > sounds interesting, particularly if it happens to be really advanced > and thus likely to become atmakaraka or amatyakarka as opposed to > gnatikaraka and darakaraka! > > Pleasa let us know if you pursue that line of research and have > interesting findings to share. Thanks in advance... > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as > it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different > ways. > > > > To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved > souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC > Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, > Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary > platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his > daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than > those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who > fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite > clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the > Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. > > > > My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which > would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to > this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at > degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, > however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not > seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. > > > > Any thoughts? > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > Dear Poster! > > > > I am glad you know all that! > > > > Even Gita! > > > > What else remains after that? > > > > But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' > > is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? > > That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations > > that satisfy the above cond'ns. > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > > > Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many > > personal planets (article at boloji.com!) > > > > When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter > > there must be a different signature, right? > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > > > > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya > > Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) > > we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at > > its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just > > an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you > > examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can > > see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... > > Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above > > cond'ns. > > > > > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > > > > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > > > > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature > > and > > > wise and grounded and so on! > > > > > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin > > with > > > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > > > > > Please share > > > > > > RR > > > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one > > who's > > > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long > > time? > > > > > > > > --Acyuta > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 namaskar i m in trouble plz help me my dob ;29 may 1984 time ;4.00am plz give me details as soon as possible Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa > wrote: I think I am going to shift away from that whole line of research, as preliminary findings/intuition seem to negate Jupiter's relationship with the charakarakas quite entirely. Rather I recall KN Rao (I hope he's not earned an unspoken taboo here) saying that Jupiter aspecting Ketu in the 12th gives some paranormal knowledge of what 'disciples' truly desire. My Guru also has this yoga, but it's not Ketu in the 12th, rather Ketu is in the second with Jupiter in 6th. Rising is Pisces. Haven't rectified the birth time as much is not known about his past. Ven/Mars conj in lagna, Sun/Moon conj in cap, sat in 7th and merc in 12th. My estimates lead to his birth date being feb 2nd 1921 Buxar India 8:58 AM (unrectified, only know from another astrologer that venus is ex'd in lagna implying pisces rising, also born on amavasya tithi, in what i believe is sravan nakshatra) seems to show AK as sun, with AmK as Jup. Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:39:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? Degrees of the spiritual planet jupiter and degree of spirituality sounds interesting, particularly if it happens to be really advanced and thus likely to become atmakaraka or amatyakarka as opposed to gnatikaraka and darakaraka! Pleasa let us know if you pursue that line of research and have interesting findings to share. Thanks in advance... RR vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > I don't think I'm divorcing myself from that concept, or tattva as it may be. I think we're merely agreeing each other in our different ways. > > To Continue, some people come into this world as highly evolved souls, we have examples like those of Ramakrsna paramhamsa, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja (ISKCON founder), The Dalai Lama, Jesus, Mohammed etc. who are on a considerably higher spiritual evolutionary platform then say... your average bar-goer who by succumbing to his daily alcohol-induced coma is on the same level if not higher than those aforementioned. (Just kidding..) Furthermore you have people who fall into many different grades in between. Thus it would quite clearly make intuitive sense that people 'evolve', not in the Darwinian sense, but metaphysically. > > My question was just to see if there was a single criterion which would allow us to assign some sort of discrete quantitative value to this metaphysical evolutionary age. I have heard that looking at degrees of Jupiter in the navamsa was one way of ascertaining this, however I am not going to ascribe much value to this as I have not seen any reference from Jyotish Sastra to support it. > > Any thoughts? > -Acyuta > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > vedic astrology > Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:05:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > Dear Poster! > > I am glad you know all that! > > Even Gita! > > What else remains after that? > > But then you divorce yourself from all that and ask: > > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > What I mean to say is, how do you examine whether someone 'by nature' > is wise, mature and 'can see/understand things other people can't'? > That sort of thing... Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations > that satisfy the above cond'ns. > ************ ********* ********* ********* * > > Each horoscope/nativity comes to this worldly reality with many > personal planets (article at boloji.com!) > > When someone has mercury as AK for instance as opposed to jupiter > there must be a different signature, right? > > RR > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand all that, I didn't explain myself clearly. > > > > Well... Gita is never wrong, if you look at traditional Gaudiya > Siddhanta (which is also the trad'n of Pt. Rath's school I believe..) > we come from the tatastha shakti (this is also vaidAntik siddhAnta at > its root), so yes, we are all in essence eternal because we are just > an expression of the tatastha. What I mean to say is, how do you > examine whether someone 'by nature' is wise, mature and 'can > see/understand things other people can't'? That sort of thing... > Atmakaraka, all right, gimme some combinations that satisfy the above > cond'ns. > > > > -Acyuta > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, December 23, 2006 7:12:24 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Signs of an old soul? > > > > iF SOUL were to be shaswat and everlasting as Gita promises -- > > > > SOUL cannot age, right? > > > > However we do have the experience of people who seem to be mature > and > > wise and grounded and so on! > > > > If I were to begin an exploration in that direction I would begin > with > > the Jaimini Atmakaraka! > > > > Please share > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Acyutananda Das > > <acyutanandadasa@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > What are signs of an 'old soul' (in jyotish, obviously) of one > who's > > been surfin' around in this jada jagat world of ours for a long > time? > > > > > > --Acyuta > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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