29 year cycle of saturn

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Dear List

 

I'm not clear theoretically why Saturn returns are so important. Usually

sade sati is considered important as bringing change to an individual's

life but some take it from the moon and others from the lagna. Saturn

transitting the 8th from Lagna is notorious for health problems or death and

Saturn transitting 4th from the Moon is said to be a time of mental woes.

But I'm a bit ignorant on Saturn returns and can't say that anything

significant really happened in my 29th year. Could anyone explain the theory

or share their experience.

 

Nicholas

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Hello Nicholas,

 

I usually think of you as being a font of astrological

knowledge, so I'm somewhat suspicious of your asking

about Saturn returns. I feel somewhat sure that if I

say anything you'll say, "duh, I knew THAT, I

meant..."

 

Then again, if I listened to my inner voice I'd make

far fewer mistakes and then what would I lament?

 

At all times remember please that my information is

tropical and may not be what you are asking about.

 

My father told me that the first Saturn return was a

time when the things promised by Saturn in your chart

at birth were 'activated'. Don't ask, he didn't

explain that part.

 

He also said that it was likely to be a time when a

person would either take on a responsibility or shirk

one. This decision would likely direct a person's life

after that point.

 

At the time of one's second Saturn return, he said you

would then reap the benefits (or the detriments) of

the path you chose at the first return.

 

Seems kind of simplistic to me, but that was what I

was told.

 

Apparently some people mark the return by when Saturn

actually transits its natal position, others just mark

it by the approximate year (29/30) that the 'cycle'

ends and begins anew (which doesn't always correspond

with the actual transit).

 

Apparently, Saturn's first full return cycle coincides

with Jupiter's half return cycle (some kind of

opposition or setback in dealings with another person)

and so the first Saturn return tends to be memorable.

Hmm.

 

Anyway, I have only 2 examples.

 

A man had his first Saturn return (by transit) twice,

Feb 92 (age 29) and Oct 92 (age 30). Up until Dec 91

he had been a very family-oriented guy making constant

promises of emotional and financial support to his

parents. The reality was actually that they gave the

emotional and financial support to him. In Dec 91 he

met a woman and started a relationship. In Feb 92 he

broke from his family and declared he would now turn

his allegiance to his partner. In Oct 92 he married

her. Since then, he has almost never had any contact

with his family. His life took a 180 degree turn and a

later divorce had no effect on this new path.

 

A woman had her first Saturn return (by transit)

twice, Apr 92 (age 28) and Feb 93 (age 29). She had

recently achieved a good degree and was poised to

start a good career. In Apr 92 one parent was

diagnosed with a terminal illness and she opted to

postpone her career to care for them. In Feb 93, while

caring for the one parent she committed to the other

parent to become responsible for achieving something

for them that turned out to be almost unachievable.

The end result being that her parents became her

career and that is a path she's had great difficulty

breaking out of. Oddly, that path connected her to

people and ideas that are finally jolting her into a

different path, but the basic personality of serving

and caring for others seems set.

 

I don't have any examples for the second "judgment

time" return of Saturn but Richard gave a good example

of some parents who chose a path of oppression and are

now paying for it.

 

Oh, and to back what you say about Saturn transiting

the 8th from Lagna being notorious for health problems

or death: my own father died the day his Saturn

(ruling his 6th of tropical health) exactly conjuncted

his 8th of death. [At the same time, the ruler of his

end-of-the-matter 4th conjuncted the cusp of his

health 6th and his energy Mars left his health 6th.]

 

Hopefully someone else will add the information of

what a Saturn return means in vedic terms.

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste, Mary.

 

May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your life and grant you peace and

prosperity.

 

I see nothing "simplistic" about your father's advice. While this is as good

a way of stating the "rule" as any I could come up with, the depth of

meaning, IMHO, should not be overlooked. I feel I have made many, highly

significant changes in most every area of my life experience across my 67

years. Yet, the times of my Saturn returns marked what I believe to be

pivotal points in my personal life. I often refer to Saturn, astrologically,

as "God in one's chart". Its ingresses and, often, egresses, as well as its

cycles relative to each graha (planet) in my chart invariably point me to a

strong lesson.

 

At this stage of my live, I have been "shown" that I need to pay close

attention to the "message within the message" or the "lesson within the

lesson". It seems that the graha drishtis (planetary aspects) formed by the

transiting planets 'trigger' lessons of the aspected houses and planets

therein. And the house which Saturn is transiting is more strongly activated

(Its hard not to notice when an 800-pound gorilla is sitting on you! I

certainly want to "move" and get out from under that!!). Yet, the rasi

drishtis (sign aspects) seem to identify where the effects of the energy

shifts will be felt.

 

Namaste, David

 

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