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I am being successful at giving up all my meds, and drugs, and pity pot.

It¹s going well, but my body is going through painful gyrations of

purifications. It¹s painful, hard, scary, but...

 

These are my affirmations which I am following and they are working.

 

I post these to encourage anyone who is also purifying now, and being

challenged, or to encourage those considering trying to do some major self

improvement work

 

Affirmations for personal progress

------

I have desires as to who I want to be, how I want my life

I cannot deny these, I must try, or I hate myself and I go down, it all gets

worse

I will not give in, I AM going to go forward to my good life NOW

I am going to give up what I know is bad, I already know it

I just have to follow what I already know

I have to ACTUALLY do and be who I really want to be/do

No matter how much pain comes, I will face it bravely

Pain will come from these changes, but it will pass also

The more I am brave, the more I will be tested

I will pass the tests, it¹s worth it, I am worth it

Everyone has their opinions for me, but I have my own guidance system

I can listen, but I never have to agree with anyone

I will succeed on my own terms ultimately, not someone elses

Those who try to dissuade me I will not listen to

I have made up my mind

I am focused, I am doing this, I am not going to stop or give in

 

No matter how much pain comes, I will not relent.

 

I am and I will win.

 

Period.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard Edward Wurst

aka Das Goravani

or

Please use email if possible

das (AT) goravani (DOT) com

 

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Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

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Hey Richard … Thank you for this… I will keep this in mind after my

back surgery… I would like to get off the Darvon that I have been on

for years… I must admit I am worried about you… I have never know a

Manic whom received good results by going off their meds… I guess if

the planets have made such a significant change that it is possible

to leave the disease behind… It's just that I don't know of anyone

who has done this… I pray that this will work for you my friend. …

Noel...

 

-- In valist, Richard E Wurst <> wrote:

>

>

> I am being successful at giving up all my meds, and drugs, and

pity pot.

> It¹s going well, but my body is going through painful gyrations of

> purifications. It¹s painful, hard, scary, but...

>

> These are my affirmations which I am following and they are

working.

>

> I post these to encourage anyone who is also purifying now, and

being

> challenged, or to encourage those considering trying to do some

major self

> improvement work

>

> Affirmations for personal progress

> ------

> I have desires as to who I want to be, how I want my life

> I cannot deny these, I must try, or I hate myself and I go down,

it all gets

> worse

> I will not give in, I AM going to go forward to my good life NOW

> I am going to give up what I know is bad, I already know it

> I just have to follow what I already know

> I have to ACTUALLY do and be who I really want to be/do

> No matter how much pain comes, I will face it bravely

> Pain will come from these changes, but it will pass also

> The more I am brave, the more I will be tested

> I will pass the tests, it¹s worth it, I am worth it

> Everyone has their opinions for me, but I have my own guidance

system

> I can listen, but I never have to agree with anyone

> I will succeed on my own terms ultimately, not someone elses

> Those who try to dissuade me I will not listen to

> I have made up my mind

> I am focused, I am doing this, I am not going to stop or give in

>

> No matter how much pain comes, I will not relent.

>

> I am and I will win.

>

> Period.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Richard Edward Wurst

> aka Das Goravani

> or

> Please use email if possible

>

>

> Secure online ordering of

> Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

> Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

>

>

> All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

>

>

>

>

> Original Celtic Art

> http://www.goravani.com/art.html

>

>

>

>

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Everyone is different when it comes to nervous systems.

 

But I had been institutionized for what was termed a serious "manic"

episode years ago. During the hospitalization I was given all sorts

of medications, some rather potent like haldol. Afterwards the

psychiatrists I saw all wanted me to take lithium and some other

medications that I do not remember the name of. I did that for a

few months, but then completely gave up all of them. I have not had

any "relapses" or negative repercussions from it and it has been

almost 8 years. I did make some lifestyle changes as a result.

 

The hardest part was convincing others, especially family members who

witnessed the mania first hand, that I was OK and that I did not need

the medications. They were very afraid & it was upsetting to them

that I had made the decision to take myself off the medications. I

had to basically ignore that & trust myself.

 

While we are dynamic enough to do a 180, others are not necessarily

as quick to accept it.

 

Even now some family members always ask be about my health & have

concern in their voices. And that sometimes pisses me off, even

though I know it is just their own fear combined with their caring

for me.

 

I know worrying comes from genuine concern, but I essentially feel

that it is useless and only can serve to instill doubt.

 

Everyone's experience varies. I just wanted to put mine out there as

an example of someone who took it upon themself to stop taking meds

and has done very well.

 

I had such an amazing friend who helped me so much 8 years ago when I

went through all that. Some of her advice was "drink lots of water &

trust the process."

 

om

 

valist, "Noel Gilbert" <noel_glbrt wrote:

>

> Hey Richard … Thank you for this… I will keep this in mind after my

> back surgery… I would like to get off the Darvon that I have been

on

> for years… I must admit I am worried about you… I have never know a

> Manic whom received good results by going off their meds… I guess

if

> the planets have made such a significant change that it is possible

> to leave the disease behind… It's just that I don't know of anyone

> who has done this… I pray that this will work for you my friend. …

> Noel...

>

> -- In valist, Richard E Wurst <das@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am being successful at giving up all my meds, and drugs, and

> pity pot.

> > It¹s going well, but my body is going through painful gyrations of

> > purifications. It¹s painful, hard, scary, but...

> >

> > These are my affirmations which I am following and they are

> working.

> >

> > I post these to encourage anyone who is also purifying now, and

> being

> > challenged, or to encourage those considering trying to do some

> major self

> > improvement work

> >

> > Affirmations for personal progress

> > ------

> > I have desires as to who I want to be, how I want my life

> > I cannot deny these, I must try, or I hate myself and I go down,

> it all gets

> > worse

> > I will not give in, I AM going to go forward to my good life NOW

> > I am going to give up what I know is bad, I already know it

> > I just have to follow what I already know

> > I have to ACTUALLY do and be who I really want to be/do

> > No matter how much pain comes, I will face it bravely

> > Pain will come from these changes, but it will pass also

> > The more I am brave, the more I will be tested

> > I will pass the tests, it¹s worth it, I am worth it

> > Everyone has their opinions for me, but I have my own guidance

> system

> > I can listen, but I never have to agree with anyone

> > I will succeed on my own terms ultimately, not someone elses

> > Those who try to dissuade me I will not listen to

> > I have made up my mind

> > I am focused, I am doing this, I am not going to stop or give in

> >

> > No matter how much pain comes, I will not relent.

> >

> > I am and I will win.

> >

> > Period.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Richard Edward Wurst

> > aka Das Goravani

> > or

> > Please use email if possible

> > das@

> >

> > Secure online ordering of

> > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

> > Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

> >

> >

> > All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Original Celtic Art

> > http://www.goravani.com/art.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

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GREAT POST!

 

I like it very much and agree with you.

Congratulations on your own recovery!!

 

YAY!

 

 

--- temp_spk4 <temp_spk4 > wrote:

 

> Everyone is different when it comes to nervous

> systems.

>

> But I had been institutionized for what was termed a

> serious "manic"

> episode years ago. During the hospitalization I was

> given all sorts

> of medications, some rather potent like haldol.

> Afterwards the

> psychiatrists I saw all wanted me to take lithium

> and some other

> medications that I do not remember the name of. I

> did that for a

> few months, but then completely gave up all of them.

> I have not had

> any "relapses" or negative repercussions from it and

> it has been

> almost 8 years. I did make some lifestyle changes

> as a result.

>

> The hardest part was convincing others, especially

> family members who

> witnessed the mania first hand, that I was OK and

> that I did not need

> the medications. They were very afraid & it was

> upsetting to them

> that I had made the decision to take myself off the

> medications. I

> had to basically ignore that & trust myself.

>

> While we are dynamic enough to do a 180, others are

> not necessarily

> as quick to accept it.

>

> Even now some family members always ask be about my

> health & have

> concern in their voices. And that sometimes pisses

> me off, even

> though I know it is just their own fear combined

> with their caring

> for me.

>

> I know worrying comes from genuine concern, but I

> essentially feel

> that it is useless and only can serve to instill

> doubt.

>

> Everyone's experience varies. I just wanted to put

> mine out there as

> an example of someone who took it upon themself to

> stop taking meds

> and has done very well.

>

> I had such an amazing friend who helped me so much 8

> years ago when I

> went through all that. Some of her advice was

> "drink lots of water &

> trust the process."

>

> om

>

> valist, "Noel Gilbert"

> <noel_glbrt wrote:

> >

> > Hey Richard … Thank you for this… I will keep this

> in mind after my

> > back surgery… I would like to get off the Darvon

> that I have been

> on

> > for years… I must admit I am worried about you… I

> have never know a

> > Manic whom received good results by going off

> their meds… I guess

> if

> > the planets have made such a significant change

> that it is possible

> > to leave the disease behind… It's just that I

> don't know of anyone

> > who has done this… I pray that this will work for

> you my friend. …

> > Noel...

> >

> > -- In valist, Richard E Wurst

> <das@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > I am being successful at giving up all my meds,

> and drugs, and

> > pity pot.

> > > It¹s going well, but my body is going through

> painful gyrations of

> > > purifications. It¹s painful, hard, scary,

> but...

> > >

> > > These are my affirmations which I am following

> and they are

> > working.

> > >

> > > I post these to encourage anyone who is also

> purifying now, and

> > being

> > > challenged, or to encourage those considering

> trying to do some

> > major self

> > > improvement work

> > >

> > > Affirmations for personal progress

> > > ------

> > > I have desires as to who I want to be, how I

> want my life

> > > I cannot deny these, I must try, or I hate

> myself and I go down,

> > it all gets

> > > worse

> > > I will not give in, I AM going to go forward to

> my good life NOW

> > > I am going to give up what I know is bad, I

> already know it

> > > I just have to follow what I already know

> > > I have to ACTUALLY do and be who I really want

> to be/do

> > > No matter how much pain comes, I will face it

> bravely

> > > Pain will come from these changes, but it will

> pass also

> > > The more I am brave, the more I will be tested

> > > I will pass the tests, it¹s worth it, I am worth

> it

> > > Everyone has their opinions for me, but I have

> my own guidance

> > system

> > > I can listen, but I never have to agree with

> anyone

> > > I will succeed on my own terms ultimately, not

> someone elses

> > > Those who try to dissuade me I will not listen

> to

> > > I have made up my mind

> > > I am focused, I am doing this, I am not going to

> stop or give in

> > >

> > > No matter how much pain comes, I will not

> relent.

> > >

> > > I am and I will win.

> > >

> > > Period.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Richard Edward Wurst

> > > aka Das Goravani

> > > or

> > > Please use email if possible

> > > das@

> > >

> > > Secure online ordering of

> > > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3

> (JS3)

> > > Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

> > >

> > >

> > > All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Original Celtic Art

> > > http://www.goravani.com/art.html

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Trying to send this again. ate the first one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

About manics and meds

 

True, it is very rare for maniacs to go off their meds. Unlink Tmp_sk4 I¹ve

been on meds since 94, Lithium since 2003.

 

 

I used maniac intentionally, it¹s the real root of the word and concept,

from Etruscan Goddess Mania.

 

 

 

 

It comes down to a conscious choice. Usually manics these days surrender,

they give in, submit willingly to being numbed, in hopes being in their body

and mind will be more tolerable, and thus they hope that they will have a

more enjoyable life, a more tolerable time in the body.

 

After you do the numbing, you are no longer really yourself, and you are in

a state of surrender to meds and doctors, and a certain view of mania

 

You do still have a choice however, actually, but you generally feel you

don¹t, but the FACT is that you do

 

I have chosen to feel my feelings

 

It does hurt, it is weird, it is hard, it is painful, but I¹d rather feel,

and struggle, than numb up anymore

 

So you get into managing it other ways, instead of with meds

 

This requires a lot of self protection, as maniacs are very sensitive

 

This requires a constant self inner dialog of honesty, because the power of

moods can quickly reduce you to stupidity, and you¹ll run to drugs and meds,

and then you are finished, kaput, all over again

 

Yesterday while standing at a market talking to a worker there, I went

through waves of rather unbearable moods, within a 10 minute period say,

terrible waves inside me. They could not see it, and I hope I hid it well,

but I was about ready to drop and cry or just start freaking (it¹s not

always sad, there are other variations)

 

This morning still, as always will be, I am struggling, to not do meds and

drugs, the obvious choice when you feel as we do, but the result of that, I

know, will be increased pain, not relief

 

I have too big of an ego to do meds and drugs. I want too much out of life..

I cannot fulfill my dreams if I am numbed up. I am not ready to stop

fulfilling my dreams, and peacefully sit down for a life of dullness and

sleep, the peace of Lithium and Klonopon

 

I am not willing to go down

 

I am willing to fight

 

I am willing to endure it, in order to enjoy the rest of life with energy

and ability

 

Since giving up the meds, I have lost much weight, and I am proud of that.

I hated my increasing weight.

 

I am able to do anything again, go anywhere, say anything, be myself. I am

not afraid and so agoraphobic as pot was making me

 

I¹d rather do life this way

 

We all have something to carry and bear as a burden, and this one is mine

 

I understand wanting to get off Darvon

 

It¹s a matter of seeing the pain as a burden that you will bear and work

with, rather than resent and try to get rid of, it¹s a choice, do I want

pain and clarity, or comfort and addiction/dullness/constipation, etc, the

lot of the opiate class drugs like Darvon

 

I am happy I can write this!

 

I wouldn¹t want it any other way

 

Yes, I suffer, but I accept that now

 

Peace and Love, and ³it¹s all good²

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard Edward Wurst

aka Das Goravani

or

Please use email if possible

das (AT) goravani (DOT) com

 

Secure online ordering of

Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

 

 

All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

 

 

 

 

Original Celtic Art

http://www.goravani.com/art.html

 

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Good to know... Thank you for your input ... Namasta

 

temp_spk4 <temp_spk4 > wrote: Everyone is different when it comes to nervous systems.

 

But I had been institutionized for what was termed a serious "manic"

episode years ago. During the hospitalization I was given all sorts

of medications, some rather potent like haldol. Afterwards the

psychiatrists I saw all wanted me to take lithium and some other

medications that I do not remember the name of. I did that for a

few months, but then completely gave up all of them. I have not had

any "relapses" or negative repercussions from it and it has been

almost 8 years. I did make some lifestyle changes as a result.

 

The hardest part was convincing others, especially family members who

witnessed the mania first hand, that I was OK and that I did not need

the medications. They were very afraid & it was upsetting to them

that I had made the decision to take myself off the medications. I

had to basically ignore that & trust myself.

 

While we are dynamic enough to do a 180, others are not necessarily

as quick to accept it.

 

Even now some family members always ask be about my health & have

concern in their voices. And that sometimes pisses me off, even

though I know it is just their own fear combined with their caring

for me.

 

I know worrying comes from genuine concern, but I essentially feel

that it is useless and only can serve to instill doubt.

 

Everyone's experience varies. I just wanted to put mine out there as

an example of someone who took it upon themself to stop taking meds

and has done very well.

 

I had such an amazing friend who helped me so much 8 years ago when I

went through all that. Some of her advice was "drink lots of water &

trust the process."

 

om

 

valist, "Noel Gilbert" <noel_glbrt wrote:

>

> Hey Richard … Thank you for this… I will keep this in mind after my

> back surgery… I would like to get off the Darvon that I have been

on

> for years… I must admit I am worried about you… I have never know a

> Manic whom received good results by going off their meds… I guess

if

> the planets have made such a significant change that it is possible

> to leave the disease behind… It's just that I don't know of anyone

> who has done this… I pray that this will work for you my friend. …

> Noel...

>

> -- In valist, Richard E Wurst <das@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am being successful at giving up all my meds, and drugs, and

> pity pot.

> > It¹s going well, but my body is going through painful gyrations of

> > purifications. It¹s painful, hard, scary, but...

> >

> > These are my affirmations which I am following and they are

> working.

> >

> > I post these to encourage anyone who is also purifying now, and

> being

> > challenged, or to encourage those considering trying to do some

> major self

> > improvement work

> >

> > Affirmations for personal progress

> > ------

> > I have desires as to who I want to be, how I want my life

> > I cannot deny these, I must try, or I hate myself and I go down,

> it all gets

> > worse

> > I will not give in, I AM going to go forward to my good life NOW

> > I am going to give up what I know is bad, I already know it

> > I just have to follow what I already know

> > I have to ACTUALLY do and be who I really want to be/do

> > No matter how much pain comes, I will face it bravely

> > Pain will come from these changes, but it will pass also

> > The more I am brave, the more I will be tested

> > I will pass the tests, it¹s worth it, I am worth it

> > Everyone has their opinions for me, but I have my own guidance

> system

> > I can listen, but I never have to agree with anyone

> > I will succeed on my own terms ultimately, not someone elses

> > Those who try to dissuade me I will not listen to

> > I have made up my mind

> > I am focused, I am doing this, I am not going to stop or give in

> >

> > No matter how much pain comes, I will not relent.

> >

> > I am and I will win.

> >

> > Period.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Richard Edward Wurst

> > aka Das Goravani

> > or

> > Please use email if possible

> > das@

> >

> > Secure online ordering of

> > Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

> > Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

> >

> >

> > All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Original Celtic Art

> > http://www.goravani.com/art.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I just want to add, that I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND If any person chooses to take

meds for any painful condition whether physical, like a back, or mental,

like mania, psychosis, etc

 

I totally relate

 

There are times when meds are the answer, at that time, for that person, for

their level of pain

 

It¹s a choice made by people and doctors and families

 

I am well enough to get off, not everyone is

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard Edward Wurst

aka Das Goravani

or

Please use email if possible

das (AT) goravani (DOT) com

 

Secure online ordering of

Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

 

 

All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

 

 

 

 

Original Celtic Art

http://www.goravani.com/art.html

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I started taken the Darvon about 3 years ago… I take one every two

hours now… when I first started taking them, I fought it with every

thing inside me. I hated it. I hated the way I felt and I hated that

I couldn't concentrate with them. I would take them for a week and

then I would stop until I couldn't take the pain any more, which was

usually a day or two. I went on this way for about 6 months until I

almost had a nervous break down… I was pacing in this small room

waiting to see the doctor and when he came in he said, {after a year

of looking for my other problem} that he found that my body stopped

producing testosterone. He gave me a shot of testosterone and a

weeks worth of tranquilizers…knowing that it would take a week for

the shot to do anything. I slept on the couch with my legs propped

up over the armrest for a week; I only got up to go to the bathroom

and eat a little something.

After I came out of my stupor… I thought to my self that I only have

three choices. One! I could take my own life, which at some points

looked to be pretty good. Two! I could go on suffering with out the

meds. Or Three! I could take the meds and try to live with it…. Will

I obvious went with the latter of the three…

I am hoping to get off them after the surgery… I would like to be

able to concentrate and meditate and read again where I can retain

it, but if the surgery doesn't take then I can live with that too…

Whatever God wants… it's his body… his choice. I am just along for

the ride… I may have asked to come along for the ride, but he put me

here. So he is the director…

 

 

valist, Richard Edward Wurst <> wrote:

>

>

>

> I just want to add, that I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND If any person

chooses to take

> meds for any painful condition whether physical, like a back, or

mental,

> like mania, psychosis, etc

>

> I totally relate

>

> There are times when meds are the answer, at that time, for that

person, for

> their level of pain

>

> It¹s a choice made by people and doctors and families

>

> I am well enough to get off, not everyone is

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Richard Edward Wurst

> aka Das Goravani

> or

> Please use email if possible

>

>

> Secure online ordering of

> Goravani Jyotish 2.5 and Jyotish Studio 3 (JS3)

> Hindu Astrology Software and Video Training

>

>

> All Transactions made out to/mailed to:

>

>

>

>

> Original Celtic Art

> http://www.goravani.com/art.html

>

>

>

>

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