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I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying

various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the book

Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even more

interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method also.

I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham in

Pitampura... i have few important questions.

 

So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

 

How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a diksha,

but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

 

And how long does it really take to learn it?

 

Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have succesfully

accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as im a

proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. Thanks.

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering

Hypnotism.

shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday

is essential.

Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic

requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and

you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic

(crystal mala),

one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from

copper or parad)

& one book of daily Guru sadhna.

These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

 

At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

special diksha called

" Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

possible. This is second stage.

First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your

hardwork combined with devotion

and faith.

 

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "scorpion_1112in"

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

> I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying

> various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the

book

> Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even

more

> interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method

also.

> I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham

in

> Pitampura... i have few important questions.

>

> So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

>

> How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

diksha,

> but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

>

> And how long does it really take to learn it?

>

> Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

succesfully

> accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as

im a

> proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

>

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Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i

told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working

degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna

make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra

with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very

nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote

here in previous posts, he was very nice)

 

That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev

from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

lengthy method... or mantra.

 

In words of gurudev

 

"Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki

wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se

seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja

sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah

sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par

baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis

tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek

feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa

lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal

bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro

mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is

abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai,

Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya

kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka

abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

 

Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in

10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now

im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism

methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many

expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini

hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow,

only to help who comes for own help.

 

Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method.

This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement)

and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky

hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe

giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success.

I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science

of mind.

 

Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well

the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the

rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of

mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take

atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking

guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is

i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast

world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope.

One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab

jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now,

is that possible?

 

I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from

spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats

the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything

about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make

many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead.

I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt

like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides...

and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from

Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a

time... complex situation huh?

 

Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds

with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what

Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well

hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to

succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

 

So what would u suggest from here?

 

 

 

 

 

, "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

wrote:

>

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

> You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering

> Hypnotism.

> shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday

> is essential.

> Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic

> requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and

> you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic

> (crystal mala),

> one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from

> copper or parad)

> & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

> specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

>

> At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> special diksha called

> " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

> possible. This is second stage.

> First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your

> hardwork combined with devotion

> and faith.

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "scorpion_1112in"

> <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying

> > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read

the

> book

> > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even

> more

> > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method

> also.

> > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

gurudham

> in

> > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> >

> > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> >

> > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

> diksha,

> > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> >

> > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> >

> > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> succesfully

> > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as

> im a

> > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated.

> Thanks.

> >

>

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Jai Gurudev!

Gurudev Ki Kripa Aparampar!1

 

 

Dear Bhai,

 

I read each word thoroughly what you wrote. I would

also stick to Shashtri ji's advice to take Gurudiksha

first. Nothing moves and nothing works in absence of

an Able Guru.

 

You may proceed by buying a book and reap initial

gains, but again let me tell you at one point or the

other you would need Gurudev to guide you, to shape

you up, and to take you to the heights u aspire for.

There is no Gyan without a Guru and if all books had

been all knowledgeable then we all would have been on

the top by now.

 

My best with you bhai

 

 

Jai Gurudev

 

somy

 

--- scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote:

 

> Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi

> Gurudham and i

> told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my

> proffesional working

> degree from an American institute(which is half

> pending, so i wanna

> make use of this time). He did say something about

> getting a mantra

> with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And

> yes, he talked very

> nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few

> other ppl wrote

> here in previous posts, he was very nice)

>

> That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya"

> Pravachan by gurudev

> from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no

> mention of such a

> lengthy method... or mantra.

>

> In words of gurudev

>

> "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda

> behatar to yeh hai ki

> wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur

> practical roop se

> seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se

> bhi seekha ja

> sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye

> ki vah subah

> sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray

> mein zameen par

> baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit

> nahin hai, jis

> tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur

> apne samney ek

> feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek

> samney ek chota sa

> lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey),

> iske bad us lal

> bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe,

> tratak karey, shuro

> mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee,

> dheeray dheeray is

> abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki

> zaroorat nahin hai,

> Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte

> rehney ki kriya

> kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se

> zayda 60 minute ka

> abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

>

> Besides this i have read the book practical

> hypnotism since i was in

> 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of

> mantra. Anyhow now

> im professionaly into all this. Well u know what,

> other hypnotism

> methods around the world dont even use any Tratak

> and u will see many

> expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing

> Past life

> Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual

> hypnosis, kundalini

> hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical

> code to follow,

> only to help who comes for own help.

>

> Still im very interested in learning and researching

> "this" method.

> This method includes great self discipline(means

> self improvement)

> and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be

> helpful in quicky

> hypnotising a willing client to third stage

> (somnabulistic) and maybe

> giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak

> with some success.

> I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a

> devine science

> of mind.

>

> Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh"

> guru mantra. Well

> the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra

> right? Even at the

> rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead

> Rosary) a day of

> mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems

> this is gonna take

> atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any

> problem taking

> guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart

> but the thing is

> i am not a learner of occult right now, im only

> interested in

> hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening

> my doors to vast

> world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna

> confine my scope.

> One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab

> sadhey, sab saadhey sab

> jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism,

> atleast for now,

> is that possible?

>

> I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength

> and grace from

> spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many

> questions maybe but thats

> the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to

> know everything

> about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i

> will have to make

> many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan

> the road ahead.

> I already spend lot of time with myself, my family

> my wife doesnt

> like that. Also im already bound by many rules from

> Spirit guides...

> and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took

> one diksha from

> Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from

> different gurus at a

> time... complex situation huh?

>

> Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji

> taught

> me, "compassion out of compulsion is not

> compassion", it just builds

> with time, from inside... and i found it to be true,

> but i liked what

> Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur

> hard work", well

> hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case,

> then im sure to

> succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

>

> So what would u suggest from here?

>

>

>

>

>

> , "sharva_ajay"

> <sharva_ajay

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti

> chakra for mastering

> > Hypnotism.

> > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru

> mantra japa everyday

> > is essential.

> > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself

> familar with the basic

> > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will

> require Rs. 540/- and

> > you need to have one laminated photograph of

> Gurudev, One safatic

> > (crystal mala),

> > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru

> yantra( made from

> > copper or parad)

> > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha

> amount.

> > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no

> matter which

> > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> >

> > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount

> required to take

> > special diksha called

> > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month

> or next day if

> > possible. This is second stage.

> > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that

> it is you and your

> > hardwork combined with devotion

> > and faith.

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

We Didn't say that you need to do mantra japa to

practice Traatak. We meant that you if are already doing traatak

and achieved success to a level and are unable to progress

beyond that, for which you have decided to take special Shaktipaat

Sammohan Diksha for better mastery over hypnotism. For that only you

need to do mantra sadhna.

 

Doing daily Guru mantra japa and Guru Poojan just takes half an hour

even if done in a slow,relaxed and easy manner.

If a person feels that he can get new knowledge from

Gurudev Nikhil which was not available to him/her previously

then he can take Guru Diksha from them even if he/she has taken

Guru Diksha previously. Guru is not just a body, He/She is

manifestation of knowledge in physical form . It is just that

we respect,follow & imbibe knowledge in ourselves by using various

methods

which are projection of humbleness faith & Devotion. The reason

behind this is

a humble mind is able to absorb knowledge and Diksha is the starting

point.

 

Our duty after taking Gurud Diksha is only that we follow what our

Gurudev has said.

It may be the a compulsion ,when bad sanskars hidden in us oppose

our efforts in following the Guru,

but not of a kind which is looked with disrespect.

A thirsty person doing something to get water to quench his thirst,

even if

under some compulsion, will not be looked down upon. On the other

hand a person doing

something under compulsion to get alchohol for himself, even due to

unstoppable urge,

will be looked down upon.

 

Just like " Compassion due to compulsion is not compassion".

Simalarly " Every compulsion does not qualify for compassion".

 

Both are true and one does not negate the other.

 

Gurudev Nikhil have also pointed towards our shortcoming in this

regards.

They have told that when we take Mantra Japa as some kind of

burden, do it with the tendency of "just somehow finish it off",

some how carry through the whole process with a laboured

disinterested manner and wavering mind then we will not

get complete results.

 

Whatever Gurudev have said, tells us that there should be

more of compassionate drive to do sadhna.

 

Similarly Gurudev have asked us not to get disheartened or impatient

with these problems. They always suggested methods to

get over these problems. They helped us with their knowledge and

love.

They still help us in so many ways that we are not even able to

feel through our limited perception abilities.

 

Gurudev have given us so many methods to motivate ourselves that

anyone who is interested in doing sadhna will use one or

the other sentence of Gurudev to climb over the mountain of

obstacles and reach

his destination of desired objective.

 

Similarly a person who does not want to do sadhna, will collect a

thousand reasons

from his surroundings and the world around to shun this path.

 

Gurudev's knowledge covers so many vast spheres of specialisation

that it

is very difficult to put them in words with the highest magnitude of

efforts.

We do not say that only those who have taken diksha from them have

been

influenced by their knowledge. Before spreading the light of sadhnas

through mantra, tantra, yantra

they had already written scores of books on astrology and put it on

very high pedestal of respect

in world over. Whenever there was contradiction of views or

unceratinty over some astrological aspect,

Gurudev's analysis was accepted as final word on that issue from

everyone in the astrological fraternity.

Gurudev's focus and sense of purpose is just unparralled when we see

that they did not

decide to sit back on the praise and fame which they had earned

with so much hardwork and started

a new phase of giving knowledge to the masses. They revived the age

old sacred tradition of Guru and Disciple

in a broader social setup as it was just getting confined to

handful of sadahks in some remote places of Himalayas.

Many sadhaks who were associated with Gurudev from earlier days were

also surprised by the fact

that after taking the science of astrology to such great heights

they moved ahead in their journey of giving knowledge of

mantra,tantra, yantra to people as if they have nothing to do with

astrology and diverted their whole effort and time to guide sadhaks

in

their pursuit of mastering mantra,tantra and yantra sadhnas. Many

people who have read only books

of astrology of Gurudev know Him as an astrologer only. They are not

aware of Him as Guru and spiritual guide

of lacs of sadhaks around the world.

If that was not enough, once Gurudev told that people have started

thinking about Him as the master of mantra

,tantra & yantra only. Gurudev told that He is a many times better

as Ayurvedacharaya & as a Alchemsist.

Now we can just imagine how much justice we have done in terms of

learning complete knowledge from Gurudev

and how much we have failed to do.

 

 

Reasons for telling all this is that there are millions of people

around the world who are influenced by

Gurudev's Knowledge and they are using it in their personal and

professional lives.Therefore there is no

restriction in grasping the knowledge by one's mind, body & soul.

we in this discussion group can just discuss about a few things or

give information to one another.

It is no way exaustive or restrictive in any manner.

Taking Diksha and doing sdhna is certainly a better path. It has its

own merits which are not available to

a person otherwise but if person wants to take benifit from

Gurudev's knowledge without doing Mantra,Tantra & yantra based

sadhnas

then he can easily do so.

A person take read Gurudev's books on palmistry, astrology,

hypnotism, Alchemy, Higher stages of Yoga, Kundlini

Jaagran etc. and take befinit from them by putting things into

practise, whichever permissible,and taking due

precautions wherever mentioned.

Sadhna is the path where things need te be done practically and

merely reading about them will not give any benifit.

Doing Traatak is also a kind of sadhna although we do not do any

mantra japa.

 

 

Our personal experience and opinion is that it is always better to

go as per the requirement of sadhna,

which is taking Diksha, Doing mantra Japa, Using Sadhna Samagri etc.

and following other

directions which can be easily practiced by any average householder.

 

 

It is always better to take a decision on our own in these matters.

And we suggest everyone to do so.

 

 

 

You may read following article about Diksha & Shaktipat Diksha:-

 

 

http://www.siddhashram.org/diksha.shtml

 

 

You may read other literature also at Gurudham and you will find why

Guru mantra is important. Although complete book on its importance

will be

like a drop in the ocean, literally. We do not want ourselves in the

dilemma of what to leave and what to write with reference to

Guru Mantra.

 

 

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "scorpion_1112in"

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

> Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i

> told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working

> degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i

wanna

> make use of this time). He did say something about getting a

mantra

> with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked

very

> nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote

> here in previous posts, he was very nice)

>

> That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev

> from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

> lengthy method... or mantra.

>

> In words of gurudev

>

> "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai

ki

> wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se

> seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja

> sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah

> sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par

> baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis

> tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney

ek

> feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota

sa

> lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us

lal

> bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey,

shuro

> mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is

> abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin

hai,

> Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki

kriya

> kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute

ka

> abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

>

> Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was

in

> 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow

now

> im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism

> methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see

many

> expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

> Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

kundalini

> hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow,

> only to help who comes for own help.

>

> Still im very interested in learning and researching "this"

method.

> This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement)

> and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky

> hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and

maybe

> giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some

success.

> I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine

science

> of mind.

>

> Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra.

Well

> the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the

> rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of

> mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna

take

> atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking

> guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing

is

> i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

> hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to

vast

> world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my

scope.

> One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey

sab

> jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for

now,

> is that possible?

>

> I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace

from

> spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but

thats

> the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

everything

> about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to

make

> many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road

ahead.

> I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt

> like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

guides...

> and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha

from

> Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a

> time... complex situation huh?

>

> Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just

builds

> with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked

what

> Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work",

well

> hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure

to

> succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

>

> So what would u suggest from here?

>

>

>

>

>

> , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

mastering

> > Hypnotism.

> > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa

everyday

> > is essential.

> > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the

basic

> > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/-

and

> > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One

safatic

> > (crystal mala),

> > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made

from

> > copper or parad)

> > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

> > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> >

> > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> > special diksha called

> > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

> > possible. This is second stage.

> > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and

your

> > hardwork combined with devotion

> > and faith.

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im

studying

> > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read

> the

> > book

> > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it

even

> > more

> > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this

method

> > also.

> > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

> gurudham

> > in

> > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > >

> > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > >

> > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

> > diksha,

> > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > >

> > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > >

> > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> > succesfully

> > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me,

as

> > im a

> > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

appreciated.

> > Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

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jay gurudev.

nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

Dear gurubhais,

I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

thanx

JAI GURUDEV.

 

scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote:

Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i

told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working

degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna

make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra

with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very

nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote

here in previous posts, he was very nice)

 

That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev

from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

lengthy method... or mantra.

 

In words of gurudev

 

"Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki

wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se

seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja

sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah

sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par

baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis

tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek

feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa

lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal

bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro

mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is

abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai,

Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya

kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka

abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

 

Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in

10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now

im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism

methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many

expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini

hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow,

only to help who comes for own help.

 

Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method.

This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement)

and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky

hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe

giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success.

I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science

of mind.

 

Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well

the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the

rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of

mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take

atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking

guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is

i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast

world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope.

One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab

jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now,

is that possible?

 

I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from

spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats

the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything

about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make

many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead.

I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt

like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides...

and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from

Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a

time... complex situation huh?

 

Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds

with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what

Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well

hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to

succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

 

So what would u suggest from here?

 

, "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

wrote:

>

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

> You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering

> Hypnotism.

> shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday

> is essential.

> Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic

> requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and

> you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic

> (crystal mala),

> one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from

> copper or parad)

> & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

> specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

>

> At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> special diksha called

> " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

> possible. This is second stage.

> First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your

> hardwork combined with devotion

> and faith.

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "scorpion_1112in"

> <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying

> > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read

the

> book

> > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even

> more

> > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method

> also.

> > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

gurudham

> in

> > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> >

> > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> >

> > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

> diksha,

> > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> >

> > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> >

> > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> succesfully

> > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as

> im a

> > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated.

> Thanks.

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

Published by Pustak Mahal.

In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham.

 

Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

 

Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt

Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

 

You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take

precautions as mentioned there.

 

An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue

giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether this

process is going in right direction or wrong direction using

palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about the

various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in that

artilces. Read it also.

 

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, neeraj roshan

<neeraj_sewta2004 wrote:

>

> jay gurudev.

>

> nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

>

>

> Dear gurubhais,

>

> I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also

studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many

times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I

will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

>

> thanx

>

> JAI GURUDEV.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

> Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi

Gurudham and i

> told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working

> degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i

wanna

> make use of this time). He did say something about getting a

mantra

> with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked

very

> nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote

> here in previous posts, he was very nice)

>

> That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev

> from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

> lengthy method... or mantra.

>

> In words of gurudev

>

> "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai

ki

> wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se

> seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja

> sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah

> sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par

> baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis

> tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney

ek

> feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota

sa

> lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us

lal

> bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey,

shuro

> mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is

> abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin

hai,

> Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki

kriya

> kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute

ka

> abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

>

> Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was

in

> 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow

now

> im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism

> methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see

many

> expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

> Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

kundalini

> hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow,

> only to help who comes for own help.

>

> Still im very interested in learning and researching "this"

method.

> This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement)

> and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky

> hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and

maybe

> giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some

success.

> I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine

science

> of mind.

>

> Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra.

Well

> the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the

> rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of

> mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna

take

> atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking

> guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing

is

> i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

> hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to

vast

> world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my

scope.

> One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey

sab

> jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for

now,

> is that possible?

>

> I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace

from

> spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but

thats

> the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

everything

> about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to

make

> many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road

ahead.

> I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt

> like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

guides...

> and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha

from

> Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a

> time... complex situation huh?

>

> Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just

builds

> with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked

what

> Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work",

well

> hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure

to

> succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

>

> So what would u suggest from here?

>

> , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

mastering

> > Hypnotism.

> > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa

everyday

> > is essential.

> > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the

basic

> > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/-

and

> > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One

safatic

> > (crystal mala),

> > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made

from

> > copper or parad)

> > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

> > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> >

> > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> > special diksha called

> > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

> > possible. This is second stage.

> > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and

your

> > hardwork combined with devotion

> > and faith.

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im

studying

> > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read

> the

> > book

> > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it

even

> > more

> > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this

method

> > also.

> > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

> gurudham

> > in

> > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > >

> > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > >

> > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

> > diksha,

> > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > >

> > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > >

> > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> > succesfully

> > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me,

as

> > im a

> > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

appreciated.

> > Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil time

and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru

seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and after

reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

 

So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my head...

(like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith n

belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward what i

have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme

arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

 

Thanks again.

 

, "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

wrote:

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

> Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> Published by Pustak Mahal.

> In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham.

>

> Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

>

> Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt

> Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

>

> You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take

> precautions as mentioned there.

>

> An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue

> giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether

this

> process is going in right direction or wrong direction using

> palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about the

> various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in

that

> artilces. Read it also.

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , neeraj roshan

> <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> >

> > jay gurudev.

> >

> > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> >

> >

> > Dear gurubhais,

> >

> > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also

> studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many

> times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I

> will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

> interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> >

> > thanx

> >

> > JAI GURUDEV.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi

> Gurudham and i

> > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional

working

> > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i

> wanna

> > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a

> mantra

> > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked

> very

> > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote

> > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> >

> > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by

gurudev

> > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

> > lengthy method... or mantra.

> >

> > In words of gurudev

> >

> > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai

> ki

> > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop

se

> > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja

> > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah

> > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par

> > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai,

jis

> > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney

> ek

> > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota

> sa

> > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us

> lal

> > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey,

> shuro

> > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray

is

> > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin

> hai,

> > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki

> kriya

> > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute

> ka

> > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> >

> > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was

> in

> > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow

> now

> > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism

> > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see

> many

> > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

> > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

> kundalini

> > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow,

> > only to help who comes for own help.

> >

> > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this"

> method.

> > This method includes great self discipline(means self

improvement)

> > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky

> > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and

> maybe

> > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some

> success.

> > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine

> science

> > of mind.

> >

> > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra.

> Well

> > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at

the

> > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day

of

> > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna

> take

> > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem

taking

> > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing

> is

> > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

> > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to

> vast

> > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my

> scope.

> > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey

> sab

> > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for

> now,

> > is that possible?

> >

> > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace

> from

> > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but

> thats

> > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

> everything

> > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to

> make

> > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road

> ahead.

> > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt

> > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

> guides...

> > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha

> from

> > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at

a

> > time... complex situation huh?

> >

> > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just

> builds

> > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked

> what

> > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work",

> well

> > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure

> to

> > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> >

> > So what would u suggest from here?

> >

> > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > >

> > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

> mastering

> > > Hypnotism.

> > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa

> everyday

> > > is essential.

> > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the

> basic

> > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/-

> and

> > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One

> safatic

> > > (crystal mala),

> > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made

> from

> > > copper or parad)

> > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which

> > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > >

> > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> > > special diksha called

> > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if

> > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and

> your

> > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > and faith.

> > >

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im

> studying

> > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have

read

> > the

> > > book

> > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it

> even

> > > more

> > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this

> method

> > > also.

> > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

> > gurudham

> > > in

> > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > >

> > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > >

> > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a

> > > diksha,

> > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > >

> > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > >

> > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> > > succesfully

> > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me,

> as

> > > im a

> > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

> appreciated.

> > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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, "scorpion_1112in"

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue on

net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available.

 

Thanks

rp

>

> First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil

time

> and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru

> seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and after

> reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

>

> So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my head...

> (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith n

> belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward what

i

> have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme

> arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

>

> Thanks again.

>

> , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> > Published by Pustak Mahal.

> > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham.

> >

> > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

> >

> > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt

> > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

> >

> > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take

> > precautions as mentioned there.

> >

> > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue

> > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether

> this

> > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using

> > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about

the

> > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in

> that

> > artilces. Read it also.

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , neeraj roshan

> > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > jay gurudev.

> > >

> > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear gurubhais,

> > >

> > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also

> > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many

> > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I

> > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

> > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> > >

> > > thanx

> > >

> > > JAI GURUDEV.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi

> > Gurudham and i

> > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional

> working

> > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i

> > wanna

> > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a

> > mantra

> > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked

> > very

> > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl

wrote

> > > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> > >

> > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by

> gurudev

> > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a

> > > lengthy method... or mantra.

> > >

> > > In words of gurudev

> > >

> > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh

hai

> > ki

> > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop

> se

> > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha

ja

> > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah

subah

> > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen

par

> > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai,

> jis

> > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne

samney

> > ek

> > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek

chota

> > sa

> > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us

> > lal

> > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey,

> > shuro

> > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray

> is

> > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat

nahin

> > hai,

> > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki

> > kriya

> > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60

minute

> > ka

> > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> > >

> > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i

was

> > in

> > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow

> > now

> > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other

hypnotism

> > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will

see

> > many

> > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life

> > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

> > kundalini

> > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to

follow,

> > > only to help who comes for own help.

> > >

> > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this"

> > method.

> > > This method includes great self discipline(means self

> improvement)

> > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in

quicky

> > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and

> > maybe

> > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some

> > success.

> > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine

> > science

> > > of mind.

> > >

> > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru

mantra.

> > Well

> > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at

> the

> > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day

> of

> > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is

gonna

> > take

> > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem

> taking

> > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the

thing

> > is

> > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

> > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to

> > vast

> > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my

> > scope.

> > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab

saadhey

> > sab

> > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for

> > now,

> > > is that possible?

> > >

> > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace

> > from

> > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but

> > thats

> > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

> > everything

> > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have

to

> > make

> > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road

> > ahead.

> > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife

doesnt

> > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

> > guides...

> > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha

> > from

> > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus

at

> a

> > > time... complex situation huh?

> > >

> > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just

> > builds

> > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i

liked

> > what

> > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard

work",

> > well

> > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im

sure

> > to

> > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> > >

> > > So what would u suggest from here?

> > >

> > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

> > mastering

> > > > Hypnotism.

> > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa

> > everyday

> > > > is essential.

> > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the

> > basic

> > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs.

540/-

> > and

> > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One

> > safatic

> > > > (crystal mala),

> > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra(

made

> > from

> > > > copper or parad)

> > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter

which

> > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > > >

> > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take

> > > > special diksha called

> > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day

if

> > > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you

and

> > your

> > > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > > and faith.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im

> > studying

> > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have

> read

> > > the

> > > > book

> > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it

> > even

> > > > more

> > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this

> > method

> > > > also.

> > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

> > > gurudham

> > > > in

> > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > > >

> > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying"

a

> > > > diksha,

> > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > > >

> > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> > > > succesfully

> > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for

me,

> > as

> > > > im a

> > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

> > appreciated.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now its

over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking thinking

all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some point

u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think that

point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried

the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it.

 

(I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will do,later)

 

For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand

Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This step

will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited

girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene?

 

Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually

taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a critical

phase of my life.

 

And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is to

use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own

business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r exploited

without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ).

Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in India

but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for this!

 

Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on ur

website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is

Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many other

luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, Mahamrityunjaya...

and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most

important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge of

mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in the

book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that

after 3rd level of hypnotism,

 

Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar...

Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev... Ajeev

(even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya awastha a

man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali knew

all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of the

physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual

Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY.

 

I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not here

for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel even

before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this

question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in

advance.

 

, "RICK" <rdrugist wrote:

>

> , "scorpion_1112in"

> <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue on

> net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available.

>

> Thanks

> rp

> >

> > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil

> time

> > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru

> > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and

after

> > reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

> >

> > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my

head...

> > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith

n

> > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward

what

> i

> > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme

> > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

> >

> > Thanks again.

> >

> > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > >

> > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> > > Published by Pustak Mahal.

> > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by

Gurudham.

> > >

> > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

> > >

> > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt

> > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

> > >

> > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to

take

> > > precautions as mentioned there.

> > >

> > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue

> > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether

> > this

> > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using

> > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about

> the

> > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in

> > that

> > > artilces. Read it also.

> > >

> > >

> > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , neeraj roshan

> > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > jay gurudev.

> > > >

> > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear gurubhais,

> > > >

> > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am

also

> > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed

many

> > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak.

I

> > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

> > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> > > >

> > > > thanx

> > > >

> > > > JAI GURUDEV.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi

> > > Gurudham and i

> > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional

> > working

> > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i

> > > wanna

> > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a

> > > mantra

> > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he

talked

> > > very

> > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl

> wrote

> > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> > > >

> > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by

> > gurudev

> > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such

a

> > > > lengthy method... or mantra.

> > > >

> > > > In words of gurudev

> > > >

> > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh

> hai

> > > ki

> > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical

roop

> > se

> > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi

seekha

> ja

> > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah

> subah

> > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen

> par

> > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin

hai,

> > jis

> > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne

> samney

> > > ek

> > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek

> chota

> > > sa

> > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad

us

> > > lal

> > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey,

> > > shuro

> > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray

dheeray

> > is

> > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat

> nahin

> > > hai,

> > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney

ki

> > > kriya

> > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60

> minute

> > > ka

> > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> > > >

> > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i

> was

> > > in

> > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra.

Anyhow

> > > now

> > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other

> hypnotism

> > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will

> see

> > > many

> > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past

life

> > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

> > > kundalini

> > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to

> follow,

> > > > only to help who comes for own help.

> > > >

> > > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this"

> > > method.

> > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self

> > improvement)

> > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in

> quicky

> > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic)

and

> > > maybe

> > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some

> > > success.

> > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine

> > > science

> > > > of mind.

> > > >

> > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru

> mantra.

> > > Well

> > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even

at

> > the

> > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a

day

> > of

> > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is

> gonna

> > > take

> > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem

> > taking

> > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the

> thing

> > > is

> > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in

> > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors

to

> > > vast

> > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my

> > > scope.

> > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab

> saadhey

> > > sab

> > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast

for

> > > now,

> > > > is that possible?

> > > >

> > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and

grace

> > > from

> > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe

but

> > > thats

> > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

> > > everything

> > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have

> to

> > > make

> > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road

> > > ahead.

> > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife

> doesnt

> > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

> > > guides...

> > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one

diksha

> > > from

> > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus

> at

> > a

> > > > time... complex situation huh?

> > > >

> > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just

> > > builds

> > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i

> liked

> > > what

> > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard

> work",

> > > well

> > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im

> sure

> > > to

> > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> > > >

> > > > So what would u suggest from here?

> > > >

> > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

> > > mastering

> > > > > Hypnotism.

> > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa

> > > everyday

> > > > > is essential.

> > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with

the

> > > basic

> > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs.

> 540/-

> > > and

> > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One

> > > safatic

> > > > > (crystal mala),

> > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra(

> made

> > > from

> > > > > copper or parad)

> > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter

> which

> > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > > > >

> > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to

take

> > > > > special diksha called

> > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next

day

> if

> > > > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you

> and

> > > your

> > > > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > > > and faith.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im

> > > studying

> > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have

> > read

> > > > the

> > > > > book

> > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find

it

> > > even

> > > > > more

> > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this

> > > method

> > > > > also.

> > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi

> > > > gurudham

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im

not "buying"

> a

> > > > > diksha,

> > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have

> > > > > succesfully

> > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for

> me,

> > > as

> > > > > im a

> > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

> > > appreciated.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan and

proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We would

suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion. They

would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming weeks.

You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be available

at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call up

many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity early.

You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very rarely

get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what should

be done in particular situation/ problem.

On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if he

finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm

resolve.

As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may try

your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make every

effort to get the answers you want.

 

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "scorpion_1112in"

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

>

> Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now

its

> over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking

thinking

> all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some

point

> u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think

that

> point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried

> the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it.

>

> (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will

do,later)

>

> For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand

> Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This

step

> will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited

> girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene?

>

> Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually

> taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a

critical

> phase of my life.

>

> And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is

to

> use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own

> business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r

exploited

> without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ).

> Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in

India

> but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for

this!

>

> Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on

ur

> website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is

> Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many

other

> luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, Mahamrityunjaya...

> and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most

> important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge of

> mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in the

> book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that

> after 3rd level of hypnotism,

>

> Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar...

> Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev...

Ajeev

> (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya

awastha a

> man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali

knew

> all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of the

> physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual

> Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY.

>

> I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not

here

> for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel

even

> before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this

> question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in

> advance.

>

> , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote:

> >

> > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue

on

> > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available.

> >

> > Thanks

> > rp

> > >

> > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a

lil

> > time

> > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of

guru

> > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and

> after

> > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

> > >

> > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my

> head...

> > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of

faith

> n

> > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward

> what

> > i

> > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme

> > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

> > >

> > > Thanks again.

> > >

> > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> > > > Published by Pustak Mahal.

> > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by

> Gurudham.

> > > >

> > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

> > > >

> > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan

Dutt

> > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

> > > >

> > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to

> take

> > > > precautions as mentioned there.

> > > >

> > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006

issue

> > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out

whether

> > > this

> > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using

> > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason

about

> > the

> > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given

in

> > > that

> > > > artilces. Read it also.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , neeraj roshan

> > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > jay gurudev.

> > > > >

> > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear gurubhais,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am

> also

> > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed

> many

> > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of

tratak.

> I

> > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

> > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanx

> > > > >

> > > > > JAI GURUDEV.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at

Delhi

> > > > Gurudham and i

> > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional

> > > working

> > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending,

so i

> > > > wanna

> > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting

a

> > > > mantra

> > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he

> talked

> > > > very

> > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other

ppl

> > wrote

> > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> > > > >

> > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by

> > > gurudev

> > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of

such

> a

> > > > > lengthy method... or mantra.

> > > > >

> > > > > In words of gurudev

> > > > >

> > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to

yeh

> > hai

> > > > ki

> > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical

> roop

> > > se

> > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi

> seekha

> > ja

> > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki

vah

> > subah

> > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein

zameen

> > par

> > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin

> hai,

> > > jis

> > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne

> > samney

> > > > ek

> > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney

ek

> > chota

> > > > sa

> > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske

bad

> us

> > > > lal

> > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak

karey,

> > > > shuro

> > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray

> dheeray

> > > is

> > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat

> > nahin

> > > > hai,

> > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte

rehney

> ki

> > > > kriya

> > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60

> > minute

> > > > ka

> > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism

since i

> > was

> > > > in

> > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra.

> Anyhow

> > > > now

> > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other

> > hypnotism

> > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u

will

> > see

> > > > many

> > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past

> life

> > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis,

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to

> > follow,

> > > > > only to help who comes for own help.

> > > > >

> > > > > Still im very interested in learning and

researching "this"

> > > > method.

> > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self

> > > improvement)

> > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in

> > quicky

> > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage

(somnabulistic)

> and

> > > > maybe

> > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with

some

> > > > success.

> > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a

devine

> > > > science

> > > > > of mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru

> > mantra.

> > > > Well

> > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right?

Even

> at

> > > the

> > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary)

a

> day

> > > of

> > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is

> > gonna

> > > > take

> > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any

problem

> > > taking

> > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but

the

> > thing

> > > > is

> > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested

in

> > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my

doors

> to

> > > > vast

> > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine

my

> > > > scope.

> > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab

> > saadhey

> > > > sab

> > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast

> for

> > > > now,

> > > > > is that possible?

> > > > >

> > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and

> grace

> > > > from

> > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions

maybe

> but

> > > > thats

> > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

> > > > everything

> > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will

have

> > to

> > > > make

> > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the

road

> > > > ahead.

> > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife

> > doesnt

> > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit

> > > > guides...

> > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one

> diksha

> > > > from

> > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different

gurus

> > at

> > > a

> > > > > time... complex situation huh?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it

just

> > > > builds

> > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i

> > liked

> > > > what

> > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard

> > work",

> > > > well

> > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then

im

> > sure

> > > > to

> > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> > > > >

> > > > > So what would u suggest from here?

> > > > >

> > > > > , "sharva_ajay"

<sharva_ajay@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for

> > > > mastering

> > > > > > Hypnotism.

> > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra

japa

> > > > everyday

> > > > > > is essential.

> > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with

> the

> > > > basic

> > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require

Rs.

> > 540/-

> > > > and

> > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev,

One

> > > > safatic

> > > > > > (crystal mala),

> > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra

(

> > made

> > > > from

> > > > > > copper or parad)

> > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter

> > which

> > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to

> take

> > > > > > special diksha called

> > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next

> day

> > if

> > > > > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is

you

> > and

> > > > your

> > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > > > > and faith.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so

im

> > > > studying

> > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I

have

> > > read

> > > > > the

> > > > > > book

> > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i

find

> it

> > > > even

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning

this

> > > > method

> > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting

delhi

> > > > > gurudham

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im

> not "buying"

> > a

> > > > > > diksha,

> > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who

have

> > > > > > succesfully

> > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious

for

> > me,

> > > > as

> > > > > > im a

> > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

> > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Namaskar

 

K u did not exactly answered my question but atleast a part of it...

Fortunately, i live only 1hr 30 min away from Delhi Gurudham.

 

Anyhow, my main questions were:

 

1) Do i need to become an Akhand Bhramchari. (coz although im not

married and still a virgin but that will mean breaking up with a

woman who sees me as father of her two daughters)

Or is there some middle path... like i may have to be satisfied till

certain level of Sammohan bcoz of grihast... or there may just be

more methods than those written in the books, books come from guru

not vice versa right.

 

2) Is it k to take diksha from ur gurudev after i have got mantras

from Bhramrish Kumar Swami Ji?

 

3) Can i safely/respectfuly discard the old mantras if i want to

concentrate on guru diksha mantra and tratak?

 

 

Basically i have these questions, so i ma try n catch Shashtri Ji

again (last time i did not ask for any details, although he was ready

to answer all question but that time it was just a casual query from

me, i did not ask these question)

 

Or better, if possible, Guruji himself, i would ask him for best

advice ahead of this... if he says breaking up is the way, i "may" do

it. Coz on this planet in my last life, i have lots of

responsibilities. This much belief i definately have in him that he

will give "best" advice. I'll simply absorb it.

 

For now i just want to ask u this, when and where can i meet

Shashtriji or Guruji(dont worry, i can say my things in a very

precise manner, not like this convo here, hardly 3-4 minutes talk). I

think they come to Delhi Gurudham at the end of the month around 27-

29 (coz in Jan, June and Dec last year those were the dates i heard

when i went for fresh copies of books n all).

 

Only this much for now. (oh yes, plz confirm the delhi gurudham phone

no., i have this card in my wallet, (011-27352248 , 011-27356700),

no.s havent changed ight?)

 

, "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay

wrote:

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

> You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan and

> proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We would

> suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion.

They

> would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming weeks.

> You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be available

> at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call up

> many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity early.

> You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very

rarely

> get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what should

> be done in particular situation/ problem.

> On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if he

> finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm

> resolve.

> As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may try

> your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make every

> effort to get the answers you want.

>

>

> Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "scorpion_1112in"

> <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now

> its

> > over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking

> thinking

> > all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some

> point

> > u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think

> that

> > point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried

> > the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it.

> >

> > (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will

> do,later)

> >

> > For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand

> > Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This

> step

> > will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited

> > girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene?

> >

> > Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually

> > taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a

> critical

> > phase of my life.

> >

> > And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is

> to

> > use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own

> > business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r

> exploited

> > without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ).

> > Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in

> India

> > but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for

> this!

> >

> > Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on

> ur

> > website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is

> > Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many

> other

> > luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan,

Mahamrityunjaya...

> > and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most

> > important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge

of

> > mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in

the

> > book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that

> > after 3rd level of hypnotism,

> >

> > Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar...

> > Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev...

> Ajeev

> > (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya

> awastha a

> > man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali

> knew

> > all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of

the

> > physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual

> > Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY.

> >

> > I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not

> here

> > for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel

> even

> > before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this

> > question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in

> > advance.

> >

> > , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006

issue

> on

> > > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > rp

> > > >

> > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a

> lil

> > > time

> > > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of

> guru

> > > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and

> > after

> > > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

> > > >

> > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my

> > head...

> > > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of

> faith

> > n

> > > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put

forward

> > what

> > > i

> > > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but

lemme

> > > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again.

> > > >

> > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> > > > > Published by Pustak Mahal.

> > > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by

> > Gurudham.

> > > > >

> > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan

> Dutt

> > > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

> > > > >

> > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to

> > take

> > > > > precautions as mentioned there.

> > > > >

> > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006

> issue

> > > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out

> whether

> > > > this

> > > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction

using

> > > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason

> about

> > > the

> > > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also

given

> in

> > > > that

> > > > > artilces. Read it also.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , neeraj roshan

> > > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jay gurudev.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear gurubhais,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I

am

> > also

> > > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed

> > many

> > > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of

> tratak.

> > I

> > > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am

> > > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanx

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JAI GURUDEV.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at

> Delhi

> > > > > Gurudham and i

> > > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my

proffesional

> > > > working

> > > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending,

> so i

> > > > > wanna

> > > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about

getting

> a

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he

> > talked

> > > > > very

> > > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other

> ppl

> > > wrote

> > > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan

by

> > > > gurudev

> > > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of

> such

> > a

> > > > > > lengthy method... or mantra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In words of gurudev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to

> yeh

> > > hai

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur

practical

> > roop

> > > > se

> > > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi

> > seekha

> > > ja

> > > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki

> vah

> > > subah

> > > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein

> zameen

> > > par

> > > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin

> > hai,

> > > > jis

> > > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne

> > > samney

> > > > > ek

> > > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney

> ek

> > > chota

> > > > > sa

> > > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske

> bad

> > us

> > > > > lal

> > > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak

> karey,

> > > > > shuro

> > > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray

> > dheeray

> > > > is

> > > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki

zaroorat

> > > nahin

> > > > > hai,

> > > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte

> rehney

> > ki

> > > > > kriya

> > > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda

60

> > > minute

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism

> since i

> > > was

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra.

> > Anyhow

> > > > > now

> > > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other

> > > hypnotism

> > > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u

> will

> > > see

> > > > > many

> > > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past

> > life

> > > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual

hypnosis,

> > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to

> > > follow,

> > > > > > only to help who comes for own help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and

> researching "this"

> > > > > method.

> > > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self

> > > > improvement)

> > > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful

in

> > > quicky

> > > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage

> (somnabulistic)

> > and

> > > > > maybe

> > > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with

> some

> > > > > success.

> > > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a

> devine

> > > > > science

> > > > > > of mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru

> > > mantra.

> > > > > Well

> > > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right?

> Even

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary)

> a

> > day

> > > > of

> > > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this

is

> > > gonna

> > > > > take

> > > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any

> problem

> > > > taking

> > > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but

> the

> > > thing

> > > > > is

> > > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only

interested

> in

> > > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my

> doors

> > to

> > > > > vast

> > > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna

confine

> my

> > > > > scope.

> > > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab

> > > saadhey

> > > > > sab

> > > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism,

atleast

> > for

> > > > > now,

> > > > > > is that possible?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and

> > grace

> > > > > from

> > > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions

> maybe

> > but

> > > > > thats

> > > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know

> > > > > everything

> > > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will

> have

> > > to

> > > > > make

> > > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the

> road

> > > > > ahead.

> > > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my

wife

> > > doesnt

> > > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from

Spirit

> > > > > guides...

> > > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one

> > diksha

> > > > > from

> > > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different

> gurus

> > > at

> > > > a

> > > > > > time... complex situation huh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught

> > > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it

> just

> > > > > builds

> > > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but

i

> > > liked

> > > > > what

> > > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard

> > > work",

> > > > > well

> > > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then

> im

> > > sure

> > > > > to

> > > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what would u suggest from here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "sharva_ajay"

> <sharva_ajay@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra

for

> > > > > mastering

> > > > > > > Hypnotism.

> > > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra

> japa

> > > > > everyday

> > > > > > > is essential.

> > > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar

with

> > the

> > > > > basic

> > > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require

> Rs.

> > > 540/-

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev,

> One

> > > > > safatic

> > > > > > > (crystal mala),

> > > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra

> (

> > > made

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > copper or parad)

> > > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount.

> > > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no

matter

> > > which

> > > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required

to

> > take

> > > > > > > special diksha called

> > > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or

next

> > day

> > > if

> > > > > > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is

> you

> > > and

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > > > > > and faith.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so

> im

> > > > > studying

> > > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I

> have

> > > > read

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i

> find

> > it

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning

> this

> > > > > method

> > > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting

> delhi

> > > > > > gurudham

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im

> > not "buying"

> > > a

> > > > > > > diksha,

> > > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who

> have

> > > > > > > succesfully

> > > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious

> for

> > > me,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > im a

> > > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

You can discuss with Shastriji or Srivastavji. Being in Delhi you

should take atleast this much benefit.

 

Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "scorpion_1112in"

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

> Namaskar

>

> K u did not exactly answered my question but atleast a part of

it...

> Fortunately, i live only 1hr 30 min away from Delhi Gurudham.

>

> Anyhow, my main questions were:

>

> 1) Do i need to become an Akhand Bhramchari. (coz although im not

> married and still a virgin but that will mean breaking up with a

> woman who sees me as father of her two daughters)

> Or is there some middle path... like i may have to be satisfied

till

> certain level of Sammohan bcoz of grihast... or there may just be

> more methods than those written in the books, books come from guru

> not vice versa right.

>

> 2) Is it k to take diksha from ur gurudev after i have got mantras

> from Bhramrish Kumar Swami Ji?

>

> 3) Can i safely/respectfuly discard the old mantras if i want to

> concentrate on guru diksha mantra and tratak?

>

>

> Basically i have these questions, so i ma try n catch Shashtri Ji

> again (last time i did not ask for any details, although he was

ready

> to answer all question but that time it was just a casual query

from

> me, i did not ask these question)

>

> Or better, if possible, Guruji himself, i would ask him for best

> advice ahead of this... if he says breaking up is the way, i "may"

do

> it. Coz on this planet in my last life, i have lots of

> responsibilities. This much belief i definately have in him that

he

> will give "best" advice. I'll simply absorb it.

>

> For now i just want to ask u this, when and where can i meet

> Shashtriji or Guruji(dont worry, i can say my things in a very

> precise manner, not like this convo here, hardly 3-4 minutes

talk). I

> think they come to Delhi Gurudham at the end of the month around

27-

> 29 (coz in Jan, June and Dec last year those were the dates i

heard

> when i went for fresh copies of books n all).

>

> Only this much for now. (oh yes, plz confirm the delhi gurudham

phone

> no., i have this card in my wallet, (011-27352248 , 011-27356700),

> no.s havent changed ight?)

>

> , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> > You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan

and

> > proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We

would

> > suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion.

> They

> > would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming

weeks.

> > You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be

available

> > at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call

up

> > many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity

early.

> > You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very

> rarely

> > get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what

should

> > be done in particular situation/ problem.

> > On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if

he

> > finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm

> > resolve.

> > As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may

try

> > your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make

every

> > effort to get the answers you want.

> >

> >

> > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life...

now

> > its

> > > over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking

> > thinking

> > > all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at

some

> > point

> > > u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i

think

> > that

> > > point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already

tried

> > > the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it.

> > >

> > > (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will

> > do,later)

> > >

> > > For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand

> > > Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This

> > step

> > > will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited

> > > girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene?

> > >

> > > Uc, there are many things i need to think about before

actually

> > > taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a

> > critical

> > > phase of my life.

> > >

> > > And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning

is

> > to

> > > use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own

> > > business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r

> > exploited

> > > without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not

white... ).

> > > Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in

> > India

> > > but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for

> > this!

> > >

> > > Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read

on

> > ur

> > > website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it

is

> > > Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many

> > other

> > > luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan,

> Mahamrityunjaya...

> > > and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most

> > > important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge,

knowledge

> of

> > > mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in

> the

> > > book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said

that

> > > after 3rd level of hypnotism,

> > >

> > > Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva...

Kinnar...

> > > Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev...

> > Ajeev

> > > (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya

> > awastha a

> > > man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali

> > knew

> > > all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of

> the

> > > physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual

> > > Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY.

> > >

> > > I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not

> > here

> > > for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i

feel

> > even

> > > before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this

> > > question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks

in

> > > advance.

> > >

> > > , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006

> issue

> > on

> > > > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > rp

> > > > >

> > > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out

a

> > lil

> > > > time

> > > > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form

of

> > guru

> > > > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now...

and

> > > after

> > > > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session.

> > > > >

> > > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my

> > > head...

> > > > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling

of

> > faith

> > > n

> > > > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put

> forward

> > > what

> > > > i

> > > > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but

> lemme

> > > > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "sharva_ajay"

<sharva_ajay@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism"

> > > > > > Published by Pustak Mahal.

> > > > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by

> > > Gurudham.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt

Shrimali.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan

> > Dutt

> > > > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need

to

> > > take

> > > > > > precautions as mentioned there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006

> > issue

> > > > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out

> > whether

> > > > > this

> > > > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction

> using

> > > > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain)

reason

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also

> given

> > in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > artilces. Read it also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , neeraj roshan

> > > > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jay gurudev.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear gurubhais,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that

I

> am

> > > also

> > > > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly

failed

> > > many

> > > > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of

> > tratak.

> > > I

> > > > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I

am

> > > > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanx

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri

at

> > Delhi

> > > > > > Gurudham and i

> > > > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my

> proffesional

> > > > > working

> > > > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half

pending,

> > so i

> > > > > > wanna

> > > > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about

> getting

> > a

> > > > > > mantra

> > > > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes,

he

> > > talked

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few

other

> > ppl

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya"

Pravachan

> by

> > > > > gurudev

> > > > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention

of

> > such

> > > a

> > > > > > > lengthy method... or mantra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In words of gurudev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar

to

> > yeh

> > > > hai

> > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur

> practical

> > > roop

> > > > > se

> > > > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se

bhi

> > > seekha

> > > > ja

> > > > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye

ki

> > vah

> > > > subah

> > > > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein

> > zameen

> > > > par

> > > > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit

nahin

> > > hai,

> > > > > jis

> > > > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur

apne

> > > > samney

> > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek

samney

> > ek

> > > > chota

> > > > > > sa

> > > > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey),

iske

> > bad

> > > us

> > > > > > lal

> > > > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak

> > karey,

> > > > > > shuro

> > > > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee,

dheeray

> > > dheeray

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki

> zaroorat

> > > > nahin

> > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte

> > rehney

> > > ki

> > > > > > kriya

> > > > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se

zayda

> 60

> > > > minute

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism

> > since i

> > > > was

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of

mantra.

> > > Anyhow

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what,

other

> > > > hypnotism

> > > > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and

u

> > will

> > > > see

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing

Past

> > > life

> > > > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual

> hypnosis,

> > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code

to

> > > > follow,

> > > > > > > only to help who comes for own help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and

> > researching "this"

> > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self

> > > > > improvement)

> > > > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be

helpful

> in

> > > > quicky

> > > > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage

> > (somnabulistic)

> > > and

> > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with

> > some

> > > > > > success.

> > > > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a

> > devine

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > of mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh"

guru

> > > > mantra.

> > > > > > Well

> > > > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right?

> > Even

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead

Rosary)

> > a

> > > day

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems

this

> is

> > > > gonna

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any

> > problem

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart

but

> > the

> > > > thing

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only

> interested

> > in

> > > > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my

> > doors

> > > to

> > > > > > vast

> > > > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna

> confine

> > my

> > > > > > scope.

> > > > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey,

sab

> > > > saadhey

> > > > > > sab

> > > > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism,

> atleast

> > > for

> > > > > > now,

> > > > > > > is that possible?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength

and

> > > grace

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions

> > maybe

> > > but

> > > > > > thats

> > > > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to

know

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i

will

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan

the

> > road

> > > > > > ahead.

> > > > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my

> wife

> > > > doesnt

> > > > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from

> Spirit

> > > > > > guides...

> > > > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took

one

> > > diksha

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from

different

> > gurus

> > > > at

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > time... complex situation huh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji

taught

> > > > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion",

it

> > just

> > > > > > builds

> > > > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true,

but

> i

> > > > liked

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur

hard

> > > > work",

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case,

then

> > im

> > > > sure

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay"

> > <sharva_ajay@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra

> for

> > > > > > mastering

> > > > > > > > Hypnotism.

> > > > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham.

> > > > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra

> > japa

> > > > > > everyday

> > > > > > > > is essential.

> > > > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will

require

> > Rs.

> > > > 540/-

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of

Gurudev,

> > One

> > > > > > safatic

> > > > > > > > (crystal mala),

> > > > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru

yantra

> > (

> > > > made

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > copper or parad)

> > > > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna.

> > > > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx).

> > > > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha

amount.

> > > > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no

> matter

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount

required

> to

> > > take

> > > > > > > > special diksha called

> > > > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or

> next

> > > day

> > > > if

> > > > > > > > possible. This is second stage.

> > > > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it

is

> > you

> > > > and

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion

> > > > > > > > and faith.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in"

> > > > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi,

so

> > im

> > > > > > studying

> > > > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over.

I

> > have

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now

i

> > find

> > > it

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically

learning

> > this

> > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is

visiting

> > delhi

> > > > > > > gurudham

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im

> > > not "buying"

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > diksha,

> > > > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who

> > have

> > > > > > > > succesfully

> > > > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very

serious

> > for

> > > > me,

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > im a

> > > > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be

highly

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection

> > > around

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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