analemma --

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Just one clarification to those who are confused by this. Analemma or

the figure of 8, kind of looks like the greek symbol for infinity

used by mathematicians is an interesting little loop! If you were to

take the picture of the sun at a fixed point in the sky each day, you

will find that the image of the sun tends to wobble in space and

describe the figure of 8 pattern (8 lying horizontally) on the photo

plate (the same one that you are using to shoot the different

positions of the sun all year around. I will see if I can post an

image of that which I recall I had in my collection.

 

The earth wobbles and creates the analemma, not the sun!

 

The ecliptic is the 56 degree strap around the sun's apparent path.

So the zodiac always lies straddling the sun 28 degrees on each side.

The zodiac moves with the sun, so analemma has nothing to do with the

shifting of the sun!

 

Please do not get confused!

 

The so called astrological sun has always been known as the path of

the earth as it moves around the sun, projected on to the sun. The

sun is relatively steady (unless we go into galactic movements!) and

any wobbles and so on are created by the earth, including the

precession! As the earth wobbles its way slowly around the sun, each

wobble cycle taking about 25000+ years, the precession shifts and so

does the star that is visible at the north pole.

 

Even as the pole star shifts, the figure of 8, the analemma remains

constant! Since analemma is a product of the movement of earth and

not the sun or the stars etc, those who are still with me ;-) -- that

tells me why jyotish has been so constant an influence in the lives

of human beings for millenia! That is why old and ancient

combinations still work and why astrology still works! Because it is

earth based and not some airy fairy vision in the sky as some imagine

it to be or some astrologophiles try to bring to us as some new-

fangled knowledge or 'AHA' moment!

 

My sincere advice to receptive ones: first master the basics, of

astrology and astronomy before going off the deep-end!

 

Present company excepted, of course! This is an august forum!

 

RR

 

vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Paulos,

>

> This is a jyotish forum and we do take precession into account!

> Always did as far as I know!!

>

> Please elaborate how you came up with 600 BC as the point in time

> when the concept of the zodiacal circle entered the consciousness

of

> human beings (if I understand you correctly).

>

> Surely the historian that gave you that date might have some

comments

> on what existed before 600 BC, for I am sure the stars and patterns

> were all up there and since people were probably sleeping under the

> sky and gazing upwards as they drifted to sleep each night, at

least

> in some places in this world as it was then -- they could not have

> missed the point or shall we see the "patterns" staring at them,

> unlike modern individuals who hardly ever sleep under the naked sky!

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, "paulo mendes"

> <woodwater1000@> wrote:

> >

> > Let's assume for a minute that astrology actually works. No

> questions, it just does. Now, when the astrological signs were

drawn

> up originally, it was done around 600BC. Each sign (e.g.: Scorpio)

> are exactly 30° wide - they are measured eastward along the

ecliptic

> from the vernal equinox, which is the intersection of the elliptic

> and the celestial equator and is the zero point.

> > When the system was originally set up, the zero point was in

Aries

> and was called the "first point of Aries".

> > Aries encompassed the first 30° of the ecliptic, next came Taurus

> (30° to 60°), Gemini (60° to 90°) and so on...

> >

> > This scheme ignored the actual stars themselves, but uniformity

was

> more important than fussing about star positions.

> >

> > Since then, precession has caused the celestial equator to wobble

> so as to cause the intersection point between it and the ecliptic

to

> move westward along the ecliptic by 36° or a tenth of the way

around.

> >

> > Your birth sign ignores the effect of precession. What a

horoscope

> calls "Aries" is the 30° segment along the ecliptic that is east of

> the current location of the vernal equinox - but today, most of it

is

> in Pisces. The next 30° segment (called Taurus in the horoscope) is

> mostly in Aries. The astrological signs are directions in space

that

> no longer correspond to the constellations that bear their names.

> >

> > Precession causes the position of the sun on the vernal equinox

to

> move as the earth wobbles on its axis - then again, the position of

> the sun varies on every date (analemma). This means that it is not

> only the names of the zodiac signs that are now wrong, the names of

> the tropics are also inaccurate!

> >

> > This all dates to when the sun is within the constellation of

your

> birth sign. According to astrology (corrected for precession -

> although these dates will vary slightly from year to year), you may

> find that you're actually a different birth sign.

> >

> > If you were born between November 30th and December 17th, you're

> actually an Ophiuchus.

> >

> > What happens in astrology is that the sun travels through the

> traditional 12 signs of the zodiac over the course of the year.

> Whatever sign the sun is in when you're born is the sign you "are".

> However, over the past 2,600 years (since the charts were drawn

up),

> the precession of the earth has shifted the ecliptic westwards and

> now the sun visits the constellation of Ophiuchus during

> November/December. I very much doubt you'll find a horoscope that

> takes this into account.

> >

> >

> >