Vegetarianism !!

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Shirish's question is quite valid and is asked by all non-vegies.

 

What shanracer has written is quite logical. When God has made a

stomach, he has thought of the ways to fill it...and that z why he

made the plants. It is a well known fact that to get 1Kg of meat

protein, we need 10 Kgs of plant protiens...so anyway by eating a Kg

of meat we waste ten times the vegetation

 

Plants develop beautiful colors, fragrances and sweet fruits to

attract other living beings to eat them and spread their species.

They are kept in a slumber by Nature not to react fiercely to

attacks.

 

We are here not professing vegetariansm but wish to stress that IF

YOU ARE ON THE PATH OF SADHNA YOU MUST TRY TO LEAVE MEAT...AT LEAST

TO REDUCE IT IN THE BEGINNING.... and leave it slowly.

 

In UK, a scotish once told me that they keep cows hung on ropes not

allowing them walking...to yield more meat. Later they started

mixing cow's meat, which was non-consumable by humans, into cows

feeds to make them fatter. Now cow is a veggie animal and they

really went against the Nature...and nature punished by foot and

mouth disease...all cows decided to die, instead of being presented

on diner table

 

with love

 

baba

[Guest guest]

What is Vegetarianism?

Can a human body survive nuturely only by eating only vegetables?

Why did God create all the animals for humans to eat?

Who was the first human Vegetarian?

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, "mohammed. A. Davies"

<ma_davies44 wrote:

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> What is Vegetarianism?

> Can a human body survive nuturely only by eating only vegetables?

> Why did God create all the animals for humans to eat?

> Who was the first human Vegetarian?

 

There are millions and millions of people in India, who are not

only surviving on veg food but are very healthy.

 

God has not made all the animals for consumption. These animals

are the result of evolution. Since the ancient human were living

among animals, they also developed the habit of eating flesh. India

on the other hand developed well by that time, spiritually, hence

vegetarianism was first started there, after reseraches made by

rishis into the spiritual realms

 

As I wrote in my last post, We are only concerned with those who

are into Yoga and Pranayama...for them non-veg is dangerous.

 

All others may continue with their food habits. But in west

too, people are slowly understanding the benefits of being

vegetarians and their numbers are increasing

 

with love

 

baba

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, "mohammed. A. Davies"

<ma_davies44 wrote:

>

> What is Vegetarianism?

> Can a human body survive nuturely only by eating only vegetables?

> Why did God create all the animals for humans to eat?

> Who was the first human Vegetarian?

>

 

Not only does the human body survive, it survives quite well, as can

be seen from Indias booming population.

 

God didnt create the animals for us to eat, anymore than he created

other humans for us to eat. Just as some cultures practiced

cannabalism, but have now stopped, in the same way advanced souls

have(or will) stop killing & eating animals.

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

This is not possible. Only a small percentage of world population is

vegetarian.

 

If all become veg, world will be full of cows, hens, sheeps, goats,

rabbits ?

[Guest guest]

If the majority is on one side that does not mean they are correct.

There are enough checks and balances in the animal kingdom to ensure

that population of all the species are in control.

I believe that we need to see the spiritual nature, divinity within

all living beings, and that includes the animals and other creatures

as well. Universal brotherhood means nonviolence to both humans and

animals. We should all understand that animals also have souls. They

are alive, conscious, and feel pain. And these are the indications of

the presence of consciousness, which is the symptom of the soul. Those

who eat meat, however, because of their desires to eat animals or see

them as a source of food for one's stomach, are not so easily able to

understand the spiritual nature of all beings. If one realizes that

all living entities are spiritual in essence, and that all living

beings that are conscious show the symptoms of the soul within, then I

don't think that any person would kill them unnecessarily. Any living

creature is a part of the same Supreme Being. I think that the killing

of animals shows nothing but a great lack in spiritual awareness. To

be kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy toward

animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits one's spiritual

ignorance.

 

Animals go through unimaginable amount of fear and suffering in the

slaughter industry. There are countless stories of how in fear cows

cry, scream, and sometimes fall down dead while inside or even before

they are taken into the slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs

are so big that it shows they have practically exploded from the fear

the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced while it was being

led to slaughter. This certainly causes an immense amount of violence

to permeate the atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in

some form. The adrenalin and fear in the animal also produces toxins

which then permeate the body of these animals, which meat-eaters

ingest. People who consume such things cannot help but be effected by

it. It causes tensions within them individually, which then spreads in

their relations with others.

 

All the religious scriptures of the world, including manu samhita,

bhagavad gita, bible, talmud, Sutta-Nipata, Mahaparinirvana Sutra,

prohibit and discourage eating meat. St. Basil taught,"The steam of

meat darkens the light of the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if

one enjoys meat meals and feasts."We should find alternatives to

killing animals to satisfy our appetites, especially when there are

plenty of other healthy foods available. We cannot expect peace in the

world if we go on unnecessarily killing so many millions of animals

for meat consumption or through abuse.

 

A famous law states that: for every action, there must be an equal and

opposite reaction. This basically is the law of Karma. What goes

around, comes around. This affects each and every individual. As you

sow, so shall you reap. If so much violence is produced by the killing

of animals, where do you think the reactions to this violence goes? It

comes back to us in so many ways, such as the form of neighborhood and

community crime, and on up to world wars. Violence breeds

violence. Therefore, this will continue unless we know how to change.

 

Isaac Bashevis Singer, who won the Nobel Prize in Literature, asked,

"How can we pray to God for mercy if we ourselves have no mercy? How

can we speak of rights and justice if we take an innocent creature and

shed its blood?" He went on to say, "I personally believe that as long

as human beings will go shedding the blood of animals, there will

never be any peace."

 

In quite an old issue of L'Osservatore della Domenica, the Vatican

weekly newspaper,(1966) Ferdinando Lambruschini wrote: "Man's conduct

with regard to animals should be regulated by right reason, which

prohibits the infliction of purposeless pain and suffering on them. To

ill treat them, and make them suffer without reason, is an act of

deplorable cruelty to be condemned from a Christian point of view. To

make them suffer for one's own pleasure is an exhibition of sadism

which every moralist must denounce." Eating animals for the pleasure

of one's tongue when there are plenty of other foods available

certainly fits into this form of sadism. It stands to reason that this

is counterproductive to any peace and unity or spiritual progress we

wish to make. It is one of the things we need to consider seriously if

we want to improve ourselves or the world. So here were a few reasons

why a genuinely spiritual person will choose to be vegetarian.

 

Following are quotes from famous personalities about Non Veg /

Vegetarianism

 

Mahatma Gandhi said "I do feel that spiritual progress does demand at

some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for the

satisfaction of our bodily wants."

"It is necessary to correct the error that vegetarianism has made us

weak in mind, or passive or inert in action. I do not regard

flesh-food as necessary at any stage"

 

Albert Einstein said, "It is my view that the vegetarian manner of

living, by its purely physical effect on the human temperament, would

most beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

 

Pythagoras says, "As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each

other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap

joy and love."

 

George Bernard Shaw said, "When a man wants to murder a tiger, he

calls it sport; when a tiger wants to murder him, he calls it ferocity."

 

The Dalai Lama says "I do not see any reason why animals should be

slaughtered to serve as human diet when there are so many substitutes.

After all, man can live without meat..."

 

Alexander Pope said, "How do we know that we have a right to kill

creatures that we are so little above, as dogs, for our curiosity or

even for some use to us?"

 

Benjamin Franklin said, "Vegetarianism is a greater progress. From the

greater clearness of head and quicker apprehension motivated him to

become a vegetarian. Flesh-eating is an unprovoked murder."

 

Leo Tolstoy, "he be really and seriously seeking to live a good life,

the first thing from which he will abstain will always be the use of

animal food, because ...its use is simply immoral, as it involves the

performance of an act which is contrary to the moral feeling -- killing."

 

Thomas More, "The Utopians feel that slaughtering our fellow creatures

gradually destroys the sense of compassion, which is the finest

sentiment of which our human nature is capable."

 

 

George Bernard Shaw once said,

 

We are living graves of murdered beasts

Slaughtered to satisfy our appetites.

We never pause to wonder at our feasts,

If animals like men could possibly have rights.

 

We pray on Sunday that we may have light,

To guide our footsteps on the paths we tread.

We are sick of war, we do not want to fight,

And we gorge ourselves upon the dead.

 

Like Carrion Crows we live and feed on meat,

Regardless of the suffering and pain

We cause by doing so, in this we treat,

Defenseless animals for sport or gain -

 

How can we hope in this world to attain

The peace we say we are so anxious for,

We pray for it o'er hetacomba of slain,

To God while outraging the moral law,

Thus cruelty begets the offspring --- WAR !

[Guest guest]

And that is a problem, why...? Animals dont pollute the environment,

build nuclear bombs, invade other countries to mainatain their

wasteful lifestyle.

 

Nature keeps an automatic balance on the number of animals. We humans

with our so called "free will" have destroyed this precious balance.

 

So you are saying we should eat animals, as otherwise they would

expand & take over the world? So, at the moment human population is

rising, so should we start eating humans to keep their population down

too?

:-)

 

K

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo

Hundreds of millions of Hindus and all ISKCON devotees are pure vegetarians.

I am a 100% vegetarian.

Regards,

Srinivas K

 

"mohammed. A. Davies" <ma_davies44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

What is Vegetarianism?

Can a human body survive nuturely only by eating only vegetables?

Why did God create all the animals for humans to eat?

Who was the first human Vegetarian?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, "Raj" <raj_varma71 wrote:

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> If the majority is on one side that does not mean they are correct.

> There are enough checks and balances in the animal kingdom to ensure

 

 

That was simply great ...thankyou Raj for such an insight into the

subect. I feel we should keep a copy of this post, to reply to non-

veggies.

 

with my blessings and love

 

baba

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Thanks Baba and shancer , .

 

...I am a vegetarian right from birth, but like me most of Vegetarian-Indians do eat cakes which is obviously made from egg, so would like to know if eating egg is equally a sin as killing/eating animals ?

 

And other question is, what happens when we kill / cut trees in the name of construction or development purpose. Because I remember my granny had strongly objected to cutting old coconut tree for house expansion, citing that coconut tree kalpataru / kalpavruksha..etc...not only coconut but also there many other plants/trees which are worshipped in India ?

 

Thanks

Shirish

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> ..I am a vegetarian right from birth, but like me most of

>Vegetarian-Indians do eat cakes which is obviously made from egg, so

 

There is no "sin" in eating meat, just that if you want to progress

spiritually, you must stop eating meat.

 

Yes, you should cut down on egg products like cakes. But its not like

"Oh I ate an egg cake, now Im going to hell". If you eat at rare

occasions like birthday, thats fine.

 

 

> And other question is, what happens when we kill / cut trees in the

>name of construction or development purpose. Because I remember my

 

Its bad. Trees & plants are semi-conscious, but they do have group

consciousness. Cutting 1000's of trees so we can enjoy a luxurious

lifestyle will have consequences. Just look at global warming, ozone

problem.

 

By cutting trees we arent just disturbing the trees, but creatures

they supports like birds, insects, monekys etc. Soon when enough of

them are angry, Mother Nature will be forced to intervene. Just look

at increasing incidents of typhoons, storms, earthquakes etc. This

might get worse.............