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To RohiniRanjanji ,

Thank you so much for the Appreciation. Specifically , I liked the First Line of your mail. The Quote in the Paragraph ( Regarding Water ) was definitely worth reading and true to its core.

Thanking you once again for reading and replying to my mails : Mukti Sood.

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Your sincere words were truly appreciated.

 

I am glad the turmoil has settled down in the forum again. Unless the

water becomes still, it loses its transparency and it is not possible

to see what lies at the bottom of the lake!

 

RR

 

, Prakash Chandra

<prakashchandra2357 wrote:

>

> To RohiniRanjanji ,

> Thank you for your Views. I have

Loved Reading them. For my Ideas , I just wanted to say that

Every science in this world has its Place. Whether it is

AstroPhysics , Economics , Physics , etc . , they all have thier

Place and Importance in this Universe and Without them , the Universe

cannot move. However and But , I have always Noticed that

Astrology as a Science has been given a Step ( not so Important )

Treatment. I am a Firm Believer in the Fact that every

Science has Importance in Human Life and that was why it was

Created. Our Ancestors made them for some Reason and worked

very hard to make them and they were made for a Reason. ( Maybe ,

Leave on People to decide that. )

>

> Now , for Destiny and Astrology , I have Read

and thoroughly liked your Views. I specifically believe the

Fact that you had written down : -------- Todays Destiny has to be

the Free will of Yesterdays deeds . Ofcourse Destiny is Shaped

and Formed by our Today and Yeasterdays Deeds. My Idea is that

though destiny is Pre Decided and Influenced by our Today and

Yesterdays Deeds , yet Astrology , in its own way , Effects

Destiny by Chanellising the Todays Deeds of the Person in a Proper

Direction. I think the Remedies ( as given by Astrologers ) are

for making our Life Better and thus also Infuencing our Life and

Destiny.

>

> Now for Charts , I am not an Astrologer.

Infact , I am answering this mail only on the Basis of my Observation

of Astrology and the Behaviour of the People towards this

Science. Moreover , I thought , it was a very general

Example. Still , from my Little Knowledge , I can say that it

takes more than one Chart to analyse any Person's Life and Ofcourse

the Complications that come with Multiple Charts are a part of

Astrology and Astrologers.

>

> I also Guess that Shri B.V. Raman is Right about

Astrology being the Science of Tendencies. It is the Tendency

of the Human Beings to be able to control thier Destiny though also

remaining Free will. And , Astrology ( As People Believe ) , helps

them in doing so ( by doing Remedies for better Future and

Present ).

>

> Also , you are very right that Destiny is the Result

of our Personal actions of today and my Idea is that People tend to

make thier Destiny good by doing Certain Deeds in Present ( Also ,

they take the help of astrology in doing so ).

>

> By the Way , RohiniRanjanji , Each word in your

mail was worth Reading and had a Meaning in it. Since , I donot

belong to the Field of Astrology , so it was tough for me to

Understand your mail. I Hope that My Mistakes will be Forgiven

and any corrections are most welcome from your Side. ( Also , I

am only " 1979 : Born. Too young for all this , I guess. )

>

> From : --------- Mukti Sood ( my Real Name ).

>

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> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Prakash ji,

>

> If I may add a few thoughts. The issue as I see it is not whether

> there is destiny operating or not and whether astrology can

> accurately read destiny. Both are true.

>

> But then we must dig a bit deeper and I hope my words are not taken

> as sceptical or sarcastic or challenging anyone's belief or

personal

> experience.

>

> The deeper part comes when (any) astrologer tries to take just one

> chart and try to see all the events in that chart. Sooner or later

> the realization comes that not all events fit the astrological

> patterns. At this point the technical factors begin to play a role

> and some begin to tweak ayanamsha and others use different factors

or

> perspectives or even types of divination (astrology is just one).

On

> the one hand, this increases the 'hits' but also bring in

confounding

> factors.

>

> Then when that one expands his repertoire and begins to look at

many

> events or traits in many charts and tries to fit those, again it

> becomes apparent that though there are many hits there are some or

> even many misses. Rather than blaming the astrologer or astrology,

> some individuals begin to become aware of an additional factor.

> Perhaps this is why Astrologer of the stature of Shri B.V. Raman

had

> publicly stated that astrology is a science of tendencies. Tendency

> for what? Perhaps for being responsive to destiny while not

> completely absolving some degree of freedom of choice. It is true

> that not all will be able to exercise the free-will as much as

others

> and so we can have different levels of or proportions of destiny

and

> free will operating in individual lives.

>

> No one has to believe in that or accept that and if one feels that

> destiny is supreme (even though today's destiny has to be a free-

will

> chosen deed from yesterday!) then as we can see there arises a

> problem.

>

> If we are responsible for our destiny, then at the root of it has

to

> be a deed which we performed by personal choice. If there was

> personal choice back then when the deed was done which now we are

> facing as our current destiny, then certainly there must be deeds

we

> are capable of doing today which will create destiny for tomorrow

> (next lifetimes).

>

> ON THE OTHER HAND, if we are not responsible for our destiny and

> there is no existence of freedom of choice or free-will, then the

> creation kind of loses its point and becomes chaotic. That in my

view

> would be taking a giant step backwards, all the way back to the

caves!

>

> RR

>

> , Prakash Chandra

> <prakashchandra2357@> wrote:

> >

> > To all who are discussing this example by " Jagdish " ,

> >

> >

> > I must say one thing that by giving the example of " the

> Judge " , Jagdish has himself Proved that the Astrology is

> absolutely right and Correct to its core. The " wonder Boy "

> Predicted the Tenure of the Judge to be 7 years and so it was.

> So , what is wrong with Astrology and Predictions ? If such a

> correct Prediction was given , then why DOUBT Astrology. Please

> make me Understand that. Also , from my experience with Astrology

> ( and I have to say that I have the Least Experience of this

> Science ) I can say that under such a Circumstances , after the

> Prediction proves right , the Family Members and the Relatives of

the

> Person ( " the Judge " ) themselves come to the Astrologer ( "

Wonder

> Boy " ) and Congratulate him on the Correctness of his

> Prediction.

> > As for the Death is Concerned , it is

> rightly said that Nobody knows the Exact time of it. Regarding

> the Statement " there is nothing in Human Hands " , it is very

> true. Over here , let me Differentiate between Astrology and

> Destiny / Fate ( " there is nothing in Human Hands " ).

> ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THE DESTINY AND DESTINY IS SOMETHING WHICH IS

> BOUND TO HAPPEN. DESTINY IS FUTURE AND ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THIS

> FUTURE ( DESTINY ).

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > What gave you the idea that I want to 'spread'

> astrology :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "upaoakcrest"

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Just one example,

> > >

> > > Book

> > >

> > > "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by

K.

> > N. Rao

> > >

> > > Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

> > >

> > > Page Number 60

> > >

> > > Point 3 in that page.

> > >

> > > A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected

> for

> > > "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

> > >

> > > The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9

> years.

> > It

> > > appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

> > >

> > > I have hundreds of examples like this.

> > >

> > > It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

> > >

> > > Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are

> STUPID

> > > but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If

they

> > will

> > > know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

> > >

> > > Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

> > >

> > >

> > > Best

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> >

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