Divisional Transits - ancient reference//Racist

December 8, 2006

Dear Sunil

Can you give a classical reference for your general statement -

''Sagittarius is a Racist Sign''.Unless you do so it is your

personal opinion.Generalisation was from your part and not from

Chandrashekhar ji.

Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean all

mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not mean,if

there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

Chandrashekhar ji proved to you that there was a monday without

rain - by contradicting your ''generalisation'' using Vivekananda

example.''

All Sagittarians are saints'' is your personal conclusion.Your

examples and his example (Vivekananda) taken together has proved

your generalisation wrong!!!.

Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I am sure

you will understand this.

Regds

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug

Sept was

> clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not

following the

> Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only

quoted half

> line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

>

> This is what u wrote

>

> 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do

not

> know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

reference. will

> you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> rising and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

> 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of

urs

> which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a

racist,

> all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on RACISTS

& u

> also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart

quoting

> ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep

supported u

> which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct the

> other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

>

> 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation of

such

> things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from

seniors

> like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge

that,

> doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written and

> changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I

learn from

> the list members

>

> Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in the

> first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls are

> funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among members

of

> this very own list.

>

> anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism

as we

> all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage

with our

> one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members, lets

> scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs

on VA

> lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that

you seem

> > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again ascribe

> quotes

> > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have

commented had

> > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas

all

> being

> > > vivekandas

> > >

> > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might

not be

> > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

> Aug/Sept

> > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just

short

> form

> > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have

said "Swami

> > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail

which I

> will

> > > send link later

> > >

> > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I

> opposed

> > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was

> coming.

> > >

> > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on

jyotish,

> I

> > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore

reading my

> mails

> > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this

list.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying

my

> level

> > > best

> > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U

said

> few

> > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

which I

> had

> > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > >

> > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

Chandrashekhar

> 'All

> > > Sagi

> > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts

from

> Astro

> > > Data

> > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

> rapists

> > > etc &

> > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and

post ur

> > > views

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%

40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are

not,

> two

> > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question

> below -

> > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also

going in

> > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra,

then

> it

> > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> > > divisional

> > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

> suggestion

> > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula

rashi

> in

> > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the

navamsa,

> > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC

tradition)!!!.Wow

> how

> > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? -

Two

> > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency

here

> Sunil?.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

> assumption

> > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula

rashi as

> > > many.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then

doubts

> > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha

> chakra''

> > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

> > > reference

> > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you

have

> quoted

> > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam

clearly

> > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes

his

> view

> > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate

> charts).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from

grouping

> > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to

> rashi

> > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against

the

> very

> > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding

can

> > > correct

> > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in

that

> > > article,

> > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished

work

> also

> > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to

> astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate

between

> > > someone

> > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits.

Patel

> > > Saheb

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine

verses from

> > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in

astrology

> > > unless

> > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of

> astrology

> > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is

someone's yet

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on

this

> list &

> > > I

> > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes

out.

> > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1

P.314,

> verse

> > > 3124

> > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi

(Rasi

> > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi)

or

> the

> > > sign

> > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native

suffers

> from

> > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3)

Humiliation

> from

> > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra

> Navamsa

> > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period

and

> will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

> yogabhanga

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra

> Navamsa

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional

Transits can

> be

> > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for

> Marriage

> > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to

do

> with

> > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on

the

> list

> > > has

> > > > > > once

> > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses

&

> retire

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have

> observed,

> > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 &

trine

> from

> > > AL,

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it

can be

> used

> > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th

movement from

> A10

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya

transits,

> if

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

> understand

> > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used

this

> long

> > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider

Kakshya.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological

> Magazine

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if

anyone has

> it

> > > in

> > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in

the

> mess

> > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am

copying the

> > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the

ascendant

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the

Kalas

> > > (see

> > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing

the

> total

> > > of

> > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the

Moon

> sign

> > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the

planets

> are

> > > as

> > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8;

Jupiter

> =

> > > 10;

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by

taking

> into

> > > > > > account

> > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In

case

> both

> > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be

made

> > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th

house

> should

> > > be

> > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the

> ascendant

> > > is

> > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted

> directly

> > > is

> > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas.

For

> > > Taurus

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the

> reverse

> > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

> Similarly, if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done

directly,

> and

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be

> reversed.

> > > If

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

> Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its

being

> even,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in

the

> > > reverse

> > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all

houses u

> might

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay

> rebuffed

> > > me,

> > > > > > later

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao

who

> > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too

traditional

> > > some

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all

> houses.

> > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses.

I have

> > > seen

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good

work

> in

> > > his

> > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> > > cumbersome

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and

Shri

> Patel

> > > has

> > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that

one

> must

> > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses

it

> > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of

transits,

> makes

> > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen

him

> fail

> > > too

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

> transits

> > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> > > traditional

> > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him

and he

> > > won't

> > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits

from Deve

> > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success

rate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know

Santhanamjis

> > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

> collection

> > > of

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his

> house or

> > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get

that

> out I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times

(whenever I

> used

> > > to

> > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on

Nadi (had

> > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he

travelled to

> > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was

then,

> taken

> > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished

works

> as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and

after

> > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On

Nadi book

> /

> > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in

> touch

> > > with

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know

how

> much

> > > you

> > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD

effortlessly for

> > > many

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of

Deve

> Gowda

> > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are

confusing.

> Most

> > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign

of

> moon /

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is

more

> > > correct

> > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an

astrologer

> using

> > > Indu

> > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very

fruitful

> for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> > > consistent

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often

looked

> as

> > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly

a very

> > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for

death in

> the

> > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they

know how

> > > much

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc

&

> Indu

> > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji

(do not

> > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't

contain

> Yogi

> > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit

next to

> late

> > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD

was

> novel,

> > > he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those

events

> Vim

> > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya,

> maybe u

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL

(arudha

> > > lagna),

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one

has

> to

> > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun

in

> trines

> > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly &

also not

> > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th

from

> AL

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job

timing &

> IL

> > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old

articles of

> > > his.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs

into

> the

> > > old

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses

transits, I

> hear

> > > he

> > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar

ji

> for

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe

Jaganath

> Hora

> > > (its

> > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you

various

> > > different

> > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD

as

> chugh

> > > or

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views

below

> as

> > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long

post so

> > > settle

> > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and

depth

> to

> > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly

tempted to

> > > master

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the

right

> > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > > experimented

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3

dasas

> are

> > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I

would

> > > like

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach

and

> how

> > > you

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

> > > emerging

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular

and

> > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason

why a

> > > dasa

> > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work

or

> the

> > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case

in

> point,

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa

thrives

> in

> > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I

place the

> > > dasas

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even

begin to

> > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time

needs

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4

> months

> > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's

swift

> motion

> > > is

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa

patterns

> are

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top

in my

> > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good

book on

> this

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling

it, and

> > > later

> > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

> ignoring

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to

see to

> use

> > > this

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily

know

> if

> > > IT

> > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> > > simplistic

> > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end)

to

> see it

> > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush

= 86

> > > years):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> opportunity

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of

> which

> > > has

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who

disposits

> Rahu

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable

disease etc

> etc

> > > &

> > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to

Son of

> > > Gordon

> > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of

KCD, do u

> > > know

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa

and i

> don't

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from

the

> varga

> > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would

work,

> but

> > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

> parashar

> > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though

I

> believe

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n

they

> know

> > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa,

> anyways I

> > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra

though

> it

> > > has

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I

haven't

> given

> > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon

Dasa

> when

> > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad

events for

> > > child

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of

> children &

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic

> though I

> > > do

> > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

> direction

> > > in

> > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that

this

> Moon

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think

I

> read in

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first

child, and

> now

> > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

>

> > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the

position of

> the

> > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

> understand I

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

> horoscope,

> > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life

when

> the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described

though I

> get

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something

big)

> in

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore

> maraka

> > > for

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE

WITH

> THEM

> > > ITS

> > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in

good

> > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the

soul):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of

hospitals &

> also

> > > 8H

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is

chronic

> > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to

child

> could

> > > or

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things

indicate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate

easily

> the

> > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the

death like

> > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK &

placed

> in 8H

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones

> child

> > > (in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in

8H of

> > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is

the 6L

> of

> > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in

the 12H

> of

> > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of

children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being

7th

> lord

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th

house

> shows

> > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing

something big

> > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu

Mars

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected

in

> all

> > > three

> > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at

all.

> These

> > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to

pass

> > > always

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major

> change

> > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death

etc.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and

what

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same

pattern

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

> events,like

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc.

Remember

> > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be

shared by

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> Ã,Â-- a

> > > planet

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or

aspected by

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is

lord

> of

> > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will

give good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will

always

> work.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive,

so

> keep

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments,

new

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with

this

> dasa.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > > experimented

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara

dasa

> and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work

most

> > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what

dasa

> > > systems

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >>>

December 8, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Hi Pradeep,

1) In the Aug /Sept exchange I never said that Sagi is a Racist sign, I

had said someone had said it & infact all the while I said we cannot

generalise, I had even said the same way we cannot say all scorpions are

mean people - so lets not put words.

2) re the classical reference I had done a huge series of mails on the

shloka business & how ridiculous it to run behind shlokas, some extract

from that below

a) I had quote SuryaNarayain Rao to grandson BV Raman on why experience

is above Shlokas

b) Most fundamental thing is do we have all the books that was ever

written - when full text is not there then whats the use of asking for

shlokas

c) what about contradictory shlokas on the same topic that appear among

the various texts of the sages

d) Most important, what is the use of quoting a shloka who understands

sanskrit here properly, a word like 'Lagnendropi' (Phaladeepika shloka

on Mahapurusha yoga) cannot be properly translated by so called scholars

here & I have quoted the views of C.S.Patel, Late Subramanium Shastry, K

S Charak & Suresh Chandra Mishra on the same word here - so pls spare me

the shloka business, it is the biggest joke among members offline when

shlokas and classical references are asked for.

U always appear as Spokesperson for Chandrashekhar, I see him very

capable of discussing his view point. I normally have a rule when I talk

to someone I talk to him directly and same goes when I do business, I do

not speak with middlemen, chamchas or secretary

> Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean all

> mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not mean,if

> there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

It is only repetition of what I wrote before and also to Ramapriya that

such generalisations are stupid as I have seen the same vivekanda

example on PVRs list from years & hence I know where it is coming from.

> Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I am sure

> you will understand this.

How do u know it is my assumption, allegation or misunderstanding are

two different things understand that, 2nd point u are nobody to tell me

what to do. If one is truly sincere & a true Gyani then brickbats are

rare but not frequent. Which has taken me 4 yrs to find out, as to

quality advice depends on the level of the person who is hearing it.

4 yrs back even I felt all that flowed out few peoples mouth on PVRs

list was Amrut & later realised that staying in the well the Frog thinks

this is the World, only when Frog goes outside the well he realises

otherwise

When I quote Ganesh Hora Shastram for the Kalapurusha mails, I was

attacked like vultures & even the verbatim quotes from that book was

criticised alas only if people knew that KNRao himself has written a

very big foreword for that book & Ganesh stays in the same colony of

KNR, being pretty close to it & is teacher at KNRs BVB institute. I on

purpose didn't quote the same method from Bhrigus work since these days

everybody is the Grandfather of Bhrigu & even if Parasara or Bhrigu came

here and taught us still we would run them down

I do not see anything worth while coming out of ur next mail so I am off

lists as usual

Sunil

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> Can you give a classical reference for your general statement -

> ''Sagittarius is a Racist Sign''.Unless you do so it is your

> personal opinion.Generalisation was from your part and not from

> Chandrashekhar ji.

> Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean all

> mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not mean,if

> there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

>

> Chandrashekhar ji proved to you that there was a monday without

> rain - by contradicting your ''generalisation'' using Vivekananda

> example.''

> All Sagittarians are saints'' is your personal conclusion.Your

> examples and his example (Vivekananda) taken together has proved

> your generalisation wrong!!!.

>

> Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I am sure

> you will understand this.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug

> Sept was

> > clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not

> following the

> > Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only

> quoted half

> > line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

> >

> > This is what u wrote

> >

> > 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do

> not

> > know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> reference. will

> > you

> > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> > rising and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of

> urs

> > which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a

> racist,

> > all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on RACISTS

> & u

> > also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart

> quoting

> > ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep

> supported u

> > which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct the

> > other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

> >

> > 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation of

> such

> > things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from

> seniors

> > like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge

> that,

> > doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written and

> > changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I

> learn from

> > the list members

> >

> > Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in the

> > first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls are

> > funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among members

> of

> > this very own list.

> >

> > anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism

> as we

> > all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage

> with our

> > one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members, lets

> > scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs

> on VA

> > lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that

> you seem

> > > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again ascribe

> > quotes

> > > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have

> commented had

> > > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas

> all

> > being

> > > > vivekandas

> > > >

> > > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might

> not be

> > > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

> > Aug/Sept

> > > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just

> short

> > form

> > > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have

> said "Swami

> > > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail

> which I

> > will

> > > > send link later

> > > >

> > > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I

> > opposed

> > > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was

> > coming.

> > > >

> > > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on

> jyotish,

> > I

> > > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore

> reading my

> > mails

> > > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this

> list.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying

> my

> > level

> > > > best

> > > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U

> said

> > few

> > > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

> which I

> > had

> > > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> Chandrashekhar

> > 'All

> > > > Sagi

> > > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts

> from

> > Astro

> > > > Data

> > > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

> > rapists

> > > > etc &

> > > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and

> post ur

> > > > views

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%

> 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are

> not,

> > two

> > > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question

> > below -

> > > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also

> going in

> > > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra,

> then

> > it

> > > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

> > suggestion

> > > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula

> rashi

> > in

> > > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the

> navamsa,

> > > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC

> tradition)!!!.Wow

> > how

> > > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? -

> Two

> > > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency

> here

> > Sunil?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

> > assumption

> > > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula

> rashi as

> > > > many.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> > Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then

> doubts

> > > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha

> > chakra''

> > > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

> > > > reference

> > > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you

> have

> > quoted

> > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam

> clearly

> > > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes

> his

> > view

> > > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate

> > charts).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from

> grouping

> > > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to

> > rashi

> > > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against

> the

> > very

> > > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding

> can

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in

> that

> > > > article,

> > > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished

> work

> > also

> > > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate

> between

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits.

> Patel

> > > > Saheb

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine

> verses from

> > > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in

> astrology

> > > > unless

> > > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of

> > astrology

> > > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is

> someone's yet

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on

> this

> > list &

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes

> out.

> > > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1

> P.314,

> > verse

> > > > 3124

> > > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi

> (Rasi

> > > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi)

> or

> > the

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native

> suffers

> > from

> > > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3)

> Humiliation

> > from

> > > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra

> > Navamsa

> > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period

> and

> > will

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

> > yogabhanga

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra

> > Navamsa

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional

> Transits can

> > be

> > > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for

> > Marriage

> > > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to

> do

> > with

> > > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on

> the

> > list

> > > > has

> > > > > > > once

> > > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses

> &

> > retire

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have

> > observed,

> > > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 &

> trine

> > from

> > > > AL,

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it

> can be

> > used

> > > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th

> movement from

> > A10

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya

> transits,

> > if

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

> > understand

> > > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used

> this

> > long

> > > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider

> Kakshya.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological

> > Magazine

> > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if

> anyone has

> > it

> > > > in

> > > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in

> the

> > mess

> > > > of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am

> copying the

> > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the

> ascendant

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the

> Kalas

> > > > (see

> > > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing

> the

> > total

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the

> Moon

> > sign

> > > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the

> planets

> > are

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8;

> Jupiter

> > =

> > > > 10;

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by

> taking

> > into

> > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In

> case

> > both

> > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be

> made

> > > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th

> house

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the

> > ascendant

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted

> > directly

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas.

> For

> > > > Taurus

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the

> > reverse

> > > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

> > Similarly, if

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done

> directly,

> > and

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be

> > reversed.

> > > > If

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

> > Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its

> being

> > even,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in

> the

> > > > reverse

> > > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all

> houses u

> > might

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay

> > rebuffed

> > > > me,

> > > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao

> who

> > > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too

> traditional

> > > > some

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all

> > houses.

> > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses.

> I have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good

> work

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> > > > cumbersome

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and

> Shri

> > Patel

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that

> one

> > must

> > > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses

> it

> > > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of

> transits,

> > makes

> > > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen

> him

> > fail

> > > > too

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

> > transits

> > > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him

> and he

> > > > won't

> > > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits

> from Deve

> > > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success

> rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know

> Santhanamjis

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

> > collection

> > > > of

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his

> > house or

> > > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get

> that

> > out I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times

> (whenever I

> > used

> > > > to

> > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on

> Nadi (had

> > > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he

> travelled to

> > > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was

> then,

> > taken

> > > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished

> works

> > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and

> after

> > > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On

> Nadi book

> > /

> > > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in

> > touch

> > > > with

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know

> how

> > much

> > > > you

> > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> jyotish@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD

> effortlessly for

> > > > many

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of

> Deve

> > Gowda

> > > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are

> confusing.

> > Most

> > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign

> of

> > moon /

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is

> more

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an

> astrologer

> > using

> > > > Indu

> > > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very

> fruitful

> > for

> > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> > > > consistent

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often

> looked

> > as

> > > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly

> a very

> > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for

> death in

> > the

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they

> know how

> > > > much

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc

> &

> > Indu

> > > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji

> (do not

> > > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't

> contain

> > Yogi

> > > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> > > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit

> next to

> > late

> > > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD

> was

> > novel,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those

> events

> > Vim

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya,

> > maybe u

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL

> (arudha

> > > > lagna),

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one

> has

> > to

> > > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun

> in

> > trines

> > > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly &

> also not

> > > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th

> from

> > AL

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job

> timing &

> > IL

> > > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old

> articles of

> > > > his.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs

> into

> > the

> > > > old

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses

> transits, I

> > hear

> > > > he

> > > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar

> ji

> > for

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe

> Jaganath

> > Hora

> > > > (its

> > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you

> various

> > > > different

> > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD

> as

> > chugh

> > > > or

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views

> below

> > as

> > > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long

> post so

> > > > settle

> > > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and

> depth

> > to

> > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly

> tempted to

> > > > master

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the

> right

> > > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > > > experimented

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3

> dasas

> > are

> > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I

> would

> > > > like

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach

> and

> > how

> > > > you

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some

consensus

> > > > emerging

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular

> and

> > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason

> why a

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work

> or

> > the

> > > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case

> in

> > point,

> > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa

> thrives

> > in

> > > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I

> place the

> > > > dasas

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even

> begin to

> > > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time

> needs

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4

> > months

> > > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's

> swift

> > motion

> > > > is

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa

> patterns

> > are

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top

> in my

> > > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good

> book on

> > this

> > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling

> it, and

> > > > later

> > > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

> > ignoring

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to

> see to

> > use

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily

> know

> > if

> > > > IT

> > > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> > > > simplistic

> > > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end)

> to

> > see it

> > > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush

> = 86

> > > > years):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> > opportunity

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of

> > which

> > > > has

> > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who

> disposits

> > Rahu

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable

> disease etc

> > etc

> > > > &

> > > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to

> Son of

> > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of

> KCD, do u

> > > > know

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa

> and i

> > don't

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from

> the

> > varga

> > > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would

> work,

> > but

> > > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

> > parashar

> > > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though

> I

> > believe

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n

> they

> > know

> > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa,

> > anyways I

> > > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra

> though

> > it

> > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I

> haven't

> > given

> > > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon

> Dasa

> > when

> > > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad

> events for

> > > > child

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of

> > children &

> > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic

> > though I

> > > > do

> > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

> > direction

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that

> this

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think

> I

> > read in

> > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first

> child, and

> > now

> > > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> >

> > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the

> position of

> > the

> > > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

> > understand I

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

> > horoscope,

> > > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life

> when

> > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described

> though I

> > get

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something

> big)

> > in

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore

> > maraka

> > > > for

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE

> WITH

> > THEM

> > > > ITS

> > > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in

> good

> > > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the

> soul):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of

> hospitals &

> > also

> > > > 8H

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is

> chronic

> > > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to

> child

> > could

> > > > or

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things

> indicate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate

> easily

> > the

> > > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the

> death like

> > > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK &

> placed

> > in 8H

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones

> > child

> > > > (in

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in

> 8H of

> > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is

> the 6L

> > of

> > > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in

> the 12H

> > of

> > > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of

> children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being

> 7th

> > lord

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th

> house

> > shows

> > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing

> something big

> > > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu

> Mars

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected

> in

> > all

> > > > three

> > > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at

> all.

> > These

> > > > are

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to

> pass

> > > > always

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major

> > change

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death

> etc.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and

> what

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same

> pattern

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

> > events,like

> > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc.

> Remember

> > > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be

> shared by

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> > Ã,Â-- a

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or

> aspected by

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is

> lord

> > of

> > > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will

> give good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will

> always

> > work.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive,

> so

> > keep

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments,

> new

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with

> this

> > dasa.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > > > experimented

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara

> dasa

> > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work

> most

> > > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what

> dasa

> > > > systems

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >>>

December 9, 2006

Dear Sunil

Now i understand(checked archives) -Some one had misguided you.Kindly

be careful before blindly quoting baseless theroies- Sagittarius is

a ''Religious fanatic and racist''.Individuals making such

generalisations,have no clue about astrology.

We need nature of various rashis (Dhanu-our case)as defined by sages

(various classics).Without Pramanas,any one can sell anything in the

name of astrology.

Chandrashekhar ji's capabilties are well known hence he needs no

advocate/spokesperson.You are right.But You were ready to attempt my

thread if and only if i attempt July/August Sagittarius case and

Chandrashekhar jis ..Billy Kid etc.Now once i am taking up,you are

saying i should not interfere.My wife says ''ohh no i do not want

this watch/jewellery,we have many''(i become proud -what a practical

girl).Scene two -She is not happy & in a mood to fight (especially on

a sunday) - ''you do not know how to care,did you buy me anything?''-

I tell you its a tough case:)).

Dear Sunil i request, we refrain from making personal remarks.We all

love each other and let us discuss Jyotish.It is normal to have

difference in opinion and let us stop attacking.Cooking a good dish

for me,jewellery thing becomes history in few minutes.

Regds

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> 1) In the Aug /Sept exchange I never said that Sagi is a Racist

sign, I

> had said someone had said it & infact all the while I said we cannot

> generalise, I had even said the same way we cannot say all

scorpions are

> mean people - so lets not put words.

>

> 2) re the classical reference I had done a huge series of mails on

the

> shloka business & how ridiculous it to run behind shlokas, some

extract

> from that below

>

> a) I had quote SuryaNarayain Rao to grandson BV Raman on why

experience

> is above Shlokas

>

> b) Most fundamental thing is do we have all the books that was ever

> written - when full text is not there then whats the use of asking

for

> shlokas

>

> c) what about contradictory shlokas on the same topic that appear

among

> the various texts of the sages

>

> d) Most important, what is the use of quoting a shloka who

understands

> sanskrit here properly, a word like 'Lagnendropi' (Phaladeepika

shloka

> on Mahapurusha yoga) cannot be properly translated by so called

scholars

> here & I have quoted the views of C.S.Patel, Late Subramanium

Shastry, K

> S Charak & Suresh Chandra Mishra on the same word here - so pls

spare me

> the shloka business, it is the biggest joke among members offline

when

> shlokas and classical references are asked for.

>

> U always appear as Spokesperson for Chandrashekhar, I see him very

> capable of discussing his view point. I normally have a rule when I

talk

> to someone I talk to him directly and same goes when I do business,

I do

> not speak with middlemen, chamchas or secretary

>

> > Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean all

> > mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not mean,if

> > there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

>

> It is only repetition of what I wrote before and also to Ramapriya

that

> such generalisations are stupid as I have seen the same vivekanda

> example on PVRs list from years & hence I know where it is coming

from.

>

> > Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> > against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> > students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I am

sure

> > you will understand this.

>

> How do u know it is my assumption, allegation or misunderstanding

are

> two different things understand that, 2nd point u are nobody to

tell me

> what to do. If one is truly sincere & a true Gyani then brickbats

are

> rare but not frequent. Which has taken me 4 yrs to find out, as to

> quality advice depends on the level of the person who is hearing it.

>

> 4 yrs back even I felt all that flowed out few peoples mouth on PVRs

> list was Amrut & later realised that staying in the well the Frog

thinks

> this is the World, only when Frog goes outside the well he realises

> otherwise

>

> When I quote Ganesh Hora Shastram for the Kalapurusha mails, I was

> attacked like vultures & even the verbatim quotes from that book was

> criticised alas only if people knew that KNRao himself has written a

> very big foreword for that book & Ganesh stays in the same colony of

> KNR, being pretty close to it & is teacher at KNRs BVB institute. I

on

> purpose didn't quote the same method from Bhrigus work since these

days

> everybody is the Grandfather of Bhrigu & even if Parasara or Bhrigu

came

> here and taught us still we would run them down

>

> I do not see anything worth while coming out of ur next mail so I

am off

> lists as usual

>

> Sunil

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> >

> > Can you give a classical reference for your general statement -

> > ''Sagittarius is a Racist Sign''.Unless you do so it is your

> > personal opinion.Generalisation was from your part and not from

> > Chandrashekhar ji.

> > Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean all

> > mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not mean,if

> > there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji proved to you that there was a monday without

> > rain - by contradicting your ''generalisation'' using Vivekananda

> > example.''

> > All Sagittarians are saints'' is your personal conclusion.Your

> > examples and his example (Vivekananda) taken together has proved

> > your generalisation wrong!!!.

> >

> > Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> > against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> > students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I am

sure

> > you will understand this.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug

> > Sept was

> > > clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not

> > following the

> > > Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only

> > quoted half

> > > line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

> > >

> > > This is what u wrote

> > >

> > > 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and

do

> > not

> > > know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> > reference. will

> > > you

> > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> > > rising and

> > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > >

> > > 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of

> > urs

> > > which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a

> > racist,

> > > all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on

RACISTS

> > & u

> > > also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart

> > quoting

> > > ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep

> > supported u

> > > which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct

the

> > > other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

> > >

> > > 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation

of

> > such

> > > things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from

> > seniors

> > > like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge

> > that,

> > > doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written

and

> > > changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I

> > learn from

> > > the list members

> > >

> > > Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in

the

> > > first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls

are

> > > funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among

members

> > of

> > > this very own list.

> > >

> > > anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism

> > as we

> > > all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage

> > with our

> > > one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members,

lets

> > > scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs

> > on VA

> > > lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that

> > you seem

> > > > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again

ascribe

> > > quotes

> > > > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have

> > commented had

> > > > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi

lagnas

> > all

> > > being

> > > > > vivekandas

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it

might

> > not be

> > > > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

> > > Aug/Sept

> > > > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was

just

> > short

> > > form

> > > > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have

> > said "Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail

> > which I

> > > will

> > > > > send link later

> > > > >

> > > > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is

what I

> > > opposed

> > > > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it

was

> > > coming.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on

> > jyotish,

> > > I

> > > > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore

> > reading my

> > > mails

> > > > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this

> > list.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas

are

> > > > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am

trying

> > my

> > > level

> > > > > best

> > > > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete.

U

> > said

> > > few

> > > > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

> > which I

> > > had

> > > > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > 'All

> > > > > Sagi

> > > > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts

> > from

> > > Astro

> > > > > Data

> > > > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots,

criminals,

> > > rapists

> > > > > etc &

> > > > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and

> > post ur

> > > > > views

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi''

are

> > not,

> > > two

> > > > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the

question

> > > below -

> > > > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also

> > going in

> > > > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi

chakra,

> > then

> > > it

> > > > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all

other

> > > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

> > > suggestion

> > > > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula

> > rashi

> > > in

> > > > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the

> > navamsa,

> > > > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC

> > tradition)!!!.Wow

> > > how

> > > > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? -

> > Two

> > > > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency

> > here

> > > Sunil?.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

> > > assumption

> > > > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula

> > rashi as

> > > > > many.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> > > Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then

> > doubts

> > > > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha

chakra/dashamsha

> > > chakra''

> > > > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from

these

> > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you

> > have

> > > quoted

> > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam

> > clearly

> > > > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions

makes

> > his

> > > view

> > > > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not

sepearate

> > > charts).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from

> > grouping

> > > > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them

akin to

> > > rashi

> > > > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is

against

> > the

> > > very

> > > > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better

understanding

> > can

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in

> > that

> > > > > article,

> > > > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished

> > work

> > > also

> > > > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service

to

> > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate

> > between

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional

transits.

> > Patel

> > > > > Saheb

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine

> > verses from

> > > > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in

> > astrology

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything

of

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is

> > someone's yet

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on

> > this

> > > list &

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article

comes

> > out.

> > > > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1

> > P.314,

> > > verse

> > > > > 3124

> > > > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa

Rasi

> > (Rasi

> > > > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma

Rasi)

> > or

> > > the

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native

> > suffers

> > > from

> > > > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3)

> > Humiliation

> > > from

> > > > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from

Chandra

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's

period

> > and

> > > will

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

> > > yogabhanga

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from

Chandra

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional

> > Transits can

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only

for

> > > Marriage

> > > > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything

to

> > do

> > > with

> > > > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation

on

> > the

> > > list

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > once

> > > > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on

responses

> > &

> > > retire

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I

have

> > > observed,

> > > > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 &

> > trine

> > > from

> > > > > AL,

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it

> > can be

> > > used

> > > > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th

> > movement from

> > > A10

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya

> > transits,

> > > if

> > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

> > > understand

> > > > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used

> > this

> > > long

> > > > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider

> > Kakshya.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in

Astrological

> > > Magazine

> > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if

> > anyone has

> > > it

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it

in

> > the

> > > mess

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am

> > copying the

> > > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the

> > ascendant

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding

the

> > Kalas

> > > > > (see

> > > > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and

dividing

> > the

> > > total

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the

> > Moon

> > > sign

> > > > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the

> > planets

> > > are

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8;

> > Jupiter

> > > =

> > > > > 10;

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by

> > taking

> > > into

> > > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In

> > case

> > > both

> > > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to

be

> > made

> > > > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th

> > house

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if

the

> > > ascendant

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it

counted

> > > directly

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10

kalas.

> > For

> > > > > Taurus

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in

the

> > > reverse

> > > > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

> > > Similarly, if

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done

> > directly,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will

be

> > > reversed.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

> > > Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its

> > being

> > > even,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is

in

> > the

> > > > > reverse

> > > > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all

> > houses u

> > > might

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in

bombay

> > > rebuffed

> > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN

Rao

> > who

> > > > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too

> > traditional

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for

all

> > > houses.

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective

houses.

> > I have

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done

good

> > work

> > > in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found

it

> > > > > cumbersome

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and

> > Shri

> > > Patel

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something

that

> > one

> > > must

> > > > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher

uses

> > it

> > > > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of

> > transits,

> > > makes

> > > > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen

> > him

> > > fail

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

> > > transits

> > > > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he

is

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught

him

> > and he

> > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits

> > from Deve

> > > > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few

local

> > > > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success

> > rate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know

> > Santhanamjis

> > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

> > > collection

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in

his

> > > house or

> > > > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can

get

> > that

> > > out I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times

> > (whenever I

> > > used

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on

> > Nadi (had

> > > > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he

> > travelled to

> > > > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was

> > then,

> > > taken

> > > > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his

unfinished

> > works

> > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription

and

> > after

> > > > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On

> > Nadi book

> > > /

> > > > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is

still in

> > > touch

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they

know

> > how

> > > much

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > jyotish@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD

> > effortlessly for

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall

of

> > Deve

> > > Gowda

> > > > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are

> > confusing.

> > > Most

> > > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd

sign

> > of

> > > moon /

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is

> > more

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an

> > astrologer

> > > using

> > > > > Indu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very

> > fruitful

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never

get

> > > > > consistent

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of

overriding

> > > > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often

> > looked

> > > as

> > > > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is

certainly

> > a very

> > > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for

> > death in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they

> > know how

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha

Asc

> > &

> > > Indu

> > > > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji

> > (do not

> > > > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't

> > contain

> > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the

same as

> > > > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit

> > next to

> > > late

> > > > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use

KCD

> > was

> > > novel,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those

> > events

> > > Vim

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with

Ramapriya,

> > > maybe u

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL

> > (arudha

> > > > > lagna),

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but

one

> > has

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr

Sun

> > in

> > > trines

> > > > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly &

> > also not

> > > > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in

10th

> > from

> > > AL

> > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job

> > timing &

> > > IL

> > > > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old

> > articles of

> > > > > his.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6

yrs

> > into

> > > the

> > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses

> > transits, I

> > > hear

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not

over

> > > > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and

chandrashekhar

> > ji

> > > for

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe

> > Jaganath

> > > Hora

> > > > > (its

> > > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you

> > various

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast

KCD

> > as

> > > chugh

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my

views

> > below

> > > as

> > > > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long

> > post so

> > > > > settle

> > > > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery

and

> > depth

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly

> > tempted to

> > > > > master

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and

the

> > right

> > > > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > > > > experimented

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these

3

> > dasas

> > > are

> > > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is

because I

> > would

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your

approach

> > and

> > > how

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some

> consensus

> > > > > emerging

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular

> > and

> > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the

reason

> > why a

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't

work

> > or

> > > the

> > > > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a

case

> > in

> > > point,

> > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa

> > thrives

> > > in

> > > > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I

> > place the

> > > > > dasas

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following

order-

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even

> > begin to

> > > > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth

time

> > needs

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3

to 4

> > > months

> > > > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's

> > swift

> > > motion

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa

> > patterns

> > > are

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the

top

> > in my

> > > > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The

method of

> > > > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good

> > book on

> > > this

> > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling

> > it, and

> > > > > later

> > > > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have

realised

> > > ignoring

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to

> > see to

> > > use

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would

easily

> > know

> > > if

> > > > > IT

> > > > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a

very

> > > > > simplistic

> > > > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my

end)

> > to

> > > see it

> > > > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group,

Paramayush

> > = 86

> > > > > years):

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> > > opportunity

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases)

lord of

> > > which

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who

> > disposits

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable

> > disease etc

> > > etc

> > > > > &

> > > > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to

> > Son of

> > > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of

> > KCD, do u

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa

> > and i

> > > don't

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions

from

> > the

> > > varga

> > > > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this

would

> > work,

> > > but

> > > > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the

way

> > > parashar

> > > > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa

though

> > I

> > > believe

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n

> > they

> > > know

> > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim

Dasa,

> > > anyways I

> > > > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for

me

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra

> > though

> > > it

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I

> > haven't

> > > given

> > > > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon

> > Dasa

> > > when

> > > > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad

> > events for

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house

of

> > > children &

> > > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any

malefic

> > > though I

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

> > > direction

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that

> > this

> > > Moon

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I

think

> > I

> > > read in

> > > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first

> > child, and

> > > now

> > > > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and

i

> > >

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the

> > position of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

> > > understand I

> > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

> > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's

life

> > when

> > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described

> > though I

> > > get

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing

Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted

(something

> > big)

> > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is

hardcore

> > > maraka

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE

> > WITH

> > > THEM

> > > > > ITS

> > > > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other

in

> > good

> > > > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the

> > soul):

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of

> > hospitals &

> > > also

> > > > > 8H

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is

> > chronic

> > > > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to

> > child

> > > could

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things

> > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate

> > easily

> > > the

> > > > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the

> > death like

> > > > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK &

> > placed

> > > in 8H

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to

ones

> > > child

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed

in

> > 8H of

> > > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator)

is

> > the 6L

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in

> > the 12H

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of

> > children

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house

being

> > 7th

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th

> > house

> > > shows

> > > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing

> > something big

> > > > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu

> > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be

reflected

> > in

> > > all

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at

> > all.

> > > These

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come

to

> > pass

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a

major

> > > change

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death

> > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive

and

> > what

> > > you

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same

> > pattern

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

> > > events,like

> > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc.

> > Remember

> > > > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be

> > shared by

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time

window" as

> > > > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> > > Ã,Â-- a

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or

> > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet

is

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will

> > give good

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will

> > always

> > > work.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time

sensitive,

> > so

> > > keep

> > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents,

disappointments,

> > new

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with

> > this

> > > dasa.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > > > > experimented

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including

chara

> > dasa

> > > and

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work

> > most

> > > > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to

what

> > dasa

> > > > > systems

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate

them !

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

December 9, 2006

As an avid reader of this list, as per Sunil's assertion, why do

some memebers feel obliged to talk in defence of others? This is

indeed a strange playground culture that has developed on these

forums where one or two individuals tend to dominate the entire list

and should any point be riased that objects to the beleifs of

these 'estemmed' members, the 'followers' let loose even before the

enlightened ones themselves try to defend themselves.

I am sure we are all mature enough to fight our own battles,

especially when knowleagde and logic are the weapons. This is

assuming, of course, that all are in possesion this intellectual

artillery. Otherwise the tendency is to overpower by virtue of the

force of the majority........

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> Now i understand(checked archives) -Some one had misguided

you.Kindly

> be careful before blindly quoting baseless theroies- Sagittarius

is

> a ''Religious fanatic and racist''.Individuals making such

> generalisations,have no clue about astrology.

>

> We need nature of various rashis (Dhanu-our case)as defined by

sages

> (various classics).Without Pramanas,any one can sell anything in

the

> name of astrology.

>

> Chandrashekhar ji's capabilties are well known hence he needs no

> advocate/spokesperson.You are right.But You were ready to attempt

my

> thread if and only if i attempt July/August Sagittarius case and

> Chandrashekhar jis ..Billy Kid etc.Now once i am taking up,you are

> saying i should not interfere.My wife says ''ohh no i do not want

> this watch/jewellery,we have many''(i become proud -what a

practical

> girl).Scene two -She is not happy & in a mood to fight (especially

on

> a sunday) - ''you do not know how to care,did you buy me

anything?''-

> I tell you its a tough case:)).

>

> Dear Sunil i request, we refrain from making personal remarks.We

all

> love each other and let us discuss Jyotish.It is normal to have

> difference in opinion and let us stop attacking.Cooking a good

dish

> for me,jewellery thing becomes history in few minutes.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > 1) In the Aug /Sept exchange I never said that Sagi is a Racist

> sign, I

> > had said someone had said it & infact all the while I said we

cannot

> > generalise, I had even said the same way we cannot say all

> scorpions are

> > mean people - so lets not put words.

> >

> > 2) re the classical reference I had done a huge series of mails

on

> the

> > shloka business & how ridiculous it to run behind shlokas, some

> extract

> > from that below

> >

> > a) I had quote SuryaNarayain Rao to grandson BV Raman on why

> experience

> > is above Shlokas

> >

> > b) Most fundamental thing is do we have all the books that was

ever

> > written - when full text is not there then whats the use of

asking

> for

> > shlokas

> >

> > c) what about contradictory shlokas on the same topic that

appear

> among

> > the various texts of the sages

> >

> > d) Most important, what is the use of quoting a shloka who

> understands

> > sanskrit here properly, a word like 'Lagnendropi' (Phaladeepika

> shloka

> > on Mahapurusha yoga) cannot be properly translated by so called

> scholars

> > here & I have quoted the views of C.S.Patel, Late Subramanium

> Shastry, K

> > S Charak & Suresh Chandra Mishra on the same word here - so pls

> spare me

> > the shloka business, it is the biggest joke among members

offline

> when

> > shlokas and classical references are asked for.

> >

> > U always appear as Spokesperson for Chandrashekhar, I see him

very

> > capable of discussing his view point. I normally have a rule

when I

> talk

> > to someone I talk to him directly and same goes when I do

business,

> I do

> > not speak with middlemen, chamchas or secretary

> >

> > > Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean

all

> > > mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not

mean,if

> > > there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

> >

> > It is only repetition of what I wrote before and also to

Ramapriya

> that

> > such generalisations are stupid as I have seen the same vivekanda

> > example on PVRs list from years & hence I know where it is

coming

> from.

> >

> > > Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> > > against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> > > students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I

am

> sure

> > > you will understand this.

> >

> > How do u know it is my assumption, allegation or

misunderstanding

> are

> > two different things understand that, 2nd point u are nobody to

> tell me

> > what to do. If one is truly sincere & a true Gyani then

brickbats

> are

> > rare but not frequent. Which has taken me 4 yrs to find out, as

to

> > quality advice depends on the level of the person who is hearing

it.

> >

> > 4 yrs back even I felt all that flowed out few peoples mouth on

PVRs

> > list was Amrut & later realised that staying in the well the

Frog

> thinks

> > this is the World, only when Frog goes outside the well he

realises

> > otherwise

> >

> > When I quote Ganesh Hora Shastram for the Kalapurusha mails, I

was

> > attacked like vultures & even the verbatim quotes from that book

was

> > criticised alas only if people knew that KNRao himself has

written a

> > very big foreword for that book & Ganesh stays in the same

colony of

> > KNR, being pretty close to it & is teacher at KNRs BVB

institute. I

> on

> > purpose didn't quote the same method from Bhrigus work since

these

> days

> > everybody is the Grandfather of Bhrigu & even if Parasara or

Bhrigu

> came

> > here and taught us still we would run them down

> >

> > I do not see anything worth while coming out of ur next mail so

I

> am off

> > lists as usual

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > >

> > > Can you give a classical reference for your general statement -

> > > ''Sagittarius is a Racist Sign''.Unless you do so it is your

> > > personal opinion.Generalisation was from your part and not from

> > > Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > Regarding examples - If it rains on a monday it does not mean

all

> > > mondays will have rain.Similarly ,vice-versa -it does not

mean,if

> > > there was no rain on a monday -all other mondays will be so.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar ji proved to you that there was a monday without

> > > rain - by contradicting your ''generalisation'' using

Vivekananda

> > > example.''

> > > All Sagittarians are saints'' is your personal conclusion.Your

> > > examples and his example (Vivekananda) taken together has

proved

> > > your generalisation wrong!!!.

> > >

> > > Kindly refrain from allegations based on assumptions,especially

> > > against an astrologer who is giving quality advise for

> > > students.Ofcourse when one is sincere,brickbats are common.I

am

> sure

> > > you will understand this.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought

Aug

> > > Sept was

> > > > clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not

> > > following the

> > > > Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only

> > > quoted half

> > > > line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all

remember

> > > >

> > > > This is what u wrote

> > > >

> > > > 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist

and

> do

> > > not

> > > > know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

> > > reference. will

> > > > you

> > > > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was

Sagittarius

> > > > rising and

> > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last

line of

> > > urs

> > > > which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was

not a

> > > racist,

> > > > all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on

> RACISTS

> > > & u

> > > > also replied to those mails though commented only on one

chart

> > > quoting

> > > > ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep

> > > supported u

> > > > which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to

construct

> the

> > > > other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

> > > >

> > > > 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that

generalisation

> of

> > > such

> > > > things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes

from

> > > seniors

> > > > like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to

acknowledge

> > > that,

> > > > doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always

written

> and

> > > > changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I

> > > learn from

> > > > the list members

> > > >

> > > > Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he

in

> the

> > > > first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone

calls

> are

> > > > funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among

> members

> > > of

> > > > this very own list.

> > > >

> > > > anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do

Clainism

> > > as we

> > > > all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on

stage

> > > with our

> > > > one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other

members,

> lets

> > > > scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3

yrs

> > > on VA

> > > > lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears

that

> > > you seem

> > > > > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas

are

> > > > > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again

> ascribe

> > > > quotes

> > > > > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have

> > > commented had

> > > > > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi

> lagnas

> > > all

> > > > being

> > > > > > vivekandas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it

> might

> > > not be

> > > > > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for

long in

> > > > Aug/Sept

> > > > > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was

> just

> > > short

> > > > form

> > > > > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have

> > > said "Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur

mail

> > > which I

> > > > will

> > > > > > send link later

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is

> what I

> > > > opposed

> > > > > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where

it

> was

> > > > coming.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other

on

> > > jyotish,

> > > > I

> > > > > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore

> > > reading my

> > > > mails

> > > > > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of

this

> > > list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius

lagnas

> are

> > > > > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am

> trying

> > > my

> > > > level

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread

incomplete.

> U

> > > said

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts

details

> > > which I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or

note.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > 'All

> > > > > > Sagi

> > > > > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13

charts

> > > from

> > > > Astro

> > > > > > Data

> > > > > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots,

> criminals,

> > > > rapists

> > > > > > etc &

> > > > > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts

and

> > > post ur

> > > > > > views

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini

Rashi''

> are

> > > not,

> > > > two

> > > > > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the

> question

> > > > below -

> > > > > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were

also

> > > going in

> > > > > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi

> chakra,

> > > then

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all

> other

> > > > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this

the

> > > > suggestion

> > > > > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits

Tula

> > > rashi

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in

the

> > > navamsa,

> > > > > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC

> > > tradition)!!!.Wow

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is

strange?? -

> > > Two

> > > > > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the

inconsistency

> > > here

> > > > Sunil?.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question

is

> > > > assumption

> > > > > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one

Tula

> > > rashi as

> > > > > > many.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> > > > Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -

then

> > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha

> chakra/dashamsha

> > > > chakra''

> > > > > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > > > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > > > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc

from

> these

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what

you

> > > have

> > > > quoted

> > > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late

Santanam

> > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions

> makes

> > > his

> > > > view

> > > > > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not

> sepearate

> > > > charts).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different

from

> > > grouping

> > > > > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them

> akin to

> > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is

> against

> > > the

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better

> understanding

> > > can

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I

read in

> > > that

> > > > > > article,

> > > > > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his

unfinished

> > > work

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great

service

> to

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big

debate

> > > between

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional

> transits.

> > > Patel

> > > > > > Saheb

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine

> > > verses from

> > > > > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in

> > > astrology

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if

everything

> of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is

> > > someone's yet

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not

on

> > > this

> > > > list &

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article

> comes

> > > out.

> > > > > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1

> > > P.314,

> > > > verse

> > > > > > 3124

> > > > > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra

Navamsa

> Rasi

> > > (Rasi

> > > > > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma

> Rasi)

> > > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native

> > > suffers

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3)

> > > Humiliation

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from

> Chandra

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's

> period

> > > and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala

or

> > > > yogabhanga

> > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from

> Chandra

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional

> > > Transits can

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa

only

> for

> > > > Marriage

> > > > > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about

anything

> to

> > > do

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my

participation

> on

> > > the

> > > > list

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > once

> > > > > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on

> responses

> > > &

> > > > retire

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what

I

> have

> > > > observed,

> > > > > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10

&

> > > trine

> > > > from

> > > > > > AL,

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see,

if it

> > > can be

> > > > used

> > > > > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th

> > > movement from

> > > > A10

> > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya

> > > transits,

> > > > if

> > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never

could

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read /

used

> > > this

> > > > long

> > > > > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider

> > > Kakshya.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in

> Astrological

> > > > Magazine

> > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if

> > > anyone has

> > > > it

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for

it

> in

> > > the

> > > > mess

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am

> > > copying the

> > > > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the

> > > ascendant

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and

adding

> the

> > > Kalas

> > > > > > (see

> > > > > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and

> dividing

> > > the

> > > > total

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to

the

> > > Moon

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for

the

> > > planets

> > > > are

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury

= 8;

> > > Jupiter

> > > > =

> > > > > > 10;

> > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified

by

> > > taking

> > > > into

> > > > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and

Moon. In

> > > case

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is

to

> be

> > > made

> > > > > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant

9th

> > > house

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example,

if

> the

> > > > ascendant

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it

> counted

> > > > directly

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10

> kalas.

> > > For

> > > > > > Taurus

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted

in

> the

> > > > reverse

> > > > > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8

Kalas.

> > > > Similarly, if

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is

done

> > > directly,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction

will

> be

> > > > reversed.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the

final

> > > > Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of

its

> > > being

> > > > even,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna

is

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > reverse

> > > > > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all

> > > houses u

> > > > might

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in

> bombay

> > > > rebuffed

> > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of

KN

> Rao

> > > who

> > > > > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too

> > > traditional

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated

for

> all

> > > > houses.

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective

> houses.

> > > I have

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has

done

> good

> > > work

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but

found

> it

> > > > > > cumbersome

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it

and

> > > Shri

> > > > Patel

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something

> that

> > > one

> > > > must

> > > > > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher

> uses

> > > it

> > > > > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of

> > > transits,

> > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have

seen

> > > him

> > > > fail

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use

dasas &

> > > > transits

> > > > > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but

he

> is

> > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father

taught

> him

> > > and he

> > > > > > won't

> > > > > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9

transits

> > > from Deve

> > > > > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by

few

> local

> > > > > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable

success

> > > rate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know

> > > Santhanamjis

> > > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which

was

> > > > collection

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still

in

> his

> > > > house or

> > > > > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone

can

> get

> > > that

> > > > out I

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times

> > > (whenever I

> > > > used

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book

on

> > > Nadi (had

> > > > > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he

> > > travelled to

> > > > > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task

was

> > > then,

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his

> unfinished

> > > works

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA

subscription

> and

> > > after

> > > > > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent.

On

> > > Nadi book

> > > > /

> > > > > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is

> still in

> > > > touch

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they

> know

> > > how

> > > > much

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > > >

************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD

> > > effortlessly for

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for

Fall

> of

> > > Deve

> > > > Gowda

> > > > > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are

> > > confusing.

> > > > Most

> > > > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd

> sign

> > > of

> > > > moon /

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which

one is

> > > more

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an

> > > astrologer

> > > > using

> > > > > > Indu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very

> > > fruitful

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could

never

> get

> > > > > > consistent

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of

> overriding

> > > > > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is

often

> > > looked

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is

> certainly

> > > a very

> > > > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months

for

> > > death in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until

they

> > > know how

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Transits from

Arudha

> Asc

> > > &

> > > > Indu

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without

the ji

> > > (do not

> > > > > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't

> > > contain

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the

> same as

> > > > > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to

sit

> > > next to

> > > > late

> > > > > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to

use

> KCD

> > > was

> > > > novel,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD &

those

> > > events

> > > > Vim

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with

> Ramapriya,

> > > > maybe u

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL

> > > (arudha

> > > > > > lagna),

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it

but

> one

> > > has

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then

Tr

> Sun

> > > in

> > > > trines

> > > > > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working

spectacularly &

> > > also not

> > > > > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in

> 10th

> > > from

> > > > AL

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on

Job

> > > timing &

> > > > IL

> > > > > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old

> > > articles of

> > > > > > his.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-

6

> yrs

> > > into

> > > > the

> > > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses

> > > transits, I

> > > > hear

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do

not

> over

> > > > > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel

Hooda"

> > > > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and

> chandrashekhar

> > > ji

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe

> > > Jaganath

> > > > Hora

> > > > > > (its

> > > > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you

> > > various

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will

cast

> KCD

> > > as

> > > > chugh

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my

> views

> > > below

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel

Hooda"

> > > > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a

long

> > > post so

> > > > > > settle

> > > > > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great

mystery

> and

> > > depth

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly

> > > tempted to

> > > > > > master

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time

and

> the

> > > right

> > > > > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i

have

> > > > > > experimented

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the

these

> 3

> > > dasas

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is

> because I

> > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your

> approach

> > > and

> > > > how

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some

> > consensus

> > > > > > emerging

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became

popular

> > > and

> > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the

> reason

> > > why a

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it

didn't

> work

> > > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is

a

> case

> > > in

> > > > point,

> > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the

dasa

> > > thrives

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas,

I

> > > place the

> > > > > > dasas

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following

> order-

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not

even

> > > begin to

> > > > > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth

> time

> > > needs

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a

3

> to 4

> > > > months

> > > > > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on

moon's

> > > swift

> > > > motion

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging

dasa

> > > patterns

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on

the

> top

> > > in my

> > > > > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The

> method of

> > > > > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very

good

> > > book on

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in

handling

> > > it, and

> > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have

> realised

> > > > ignoring

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy

to

> > > see to

> > > > use

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would

> easily

> > > know

> > > > if

> > > > > > IT

> > > > > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in

a

> very

> > > > > > simplistic

> > > > > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from

my

> end)

> > > to

> > > > see it

> > > > > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group,

> Paramayush

> > > = 86

> > > > > > years):

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> > > > opportunity

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases)

> lord of

> > > > which

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who

> > > disposits

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable

> > > disease etc

> > > > etc

> > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic

event to

> > > Son of

> > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic

Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method

of

> > > KCD, do u

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second

dasa

> > > and i

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions

> from

> > > the

> > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this

> would

> > > work,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in

the

> way

> > > > parashar

> > > > > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa

> though

> > > I

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True

Paramparas n

> > > they

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim

> Dasa,

> > > > anyways I

> > > > > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well

for

> me

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with

Kalachakra

> > > though

> > > > it

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest

I

> > > haven't

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running

Moon

> > > Dasa

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad

> > > events for

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th

house

> of

> > > > children &

> > > > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any

> malefic

> > > > though I

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in

S.W

> > > > direction

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say

that

> > > this

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I

> think

> > > I

> > > > read in

> > > > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first

> > > child, and

> > > > now

> > > > > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa

and

> i

> > > >

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the

> > > position of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you

better

> > > > understand I

> > > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the

natal

> > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the

native's

> life

> > > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has

described

> > > though I

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing

> Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted

> (something

> > > big)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th

house)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is

> hardcore

> > > > maraka

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T

AGREE

> > > WITH

> > > > THEM

> > > > > > ITS

> > > > > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each

other

> in

> > > good

> > > > > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of

the

> > > soul):

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of

> > > hospitals &

> > > > also

> > > > > > 8H

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is

> > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease

to

> > > child

> > > > could

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other

things

> > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN

indicate

> > > easily

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the

> > > death like

> > > > > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the

GK &

> > > placed

> > > > in 8H

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise

to

> ones

> > > > child

> > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD

placed

> in

> > > 8H of

> > > > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child

significator)

> is

> > > the 6L

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed

in

> > > the 12H

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H

of

> > > children

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house

> being

> > > 7th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in

8th

> > > house

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents

etc

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing

> > > something big

> > > > > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat &

Rahu

> > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be

> reflected

> > > in

> > > > all

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way

at

> > > all.

> > > > These

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will

come

> to

> > > pass

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like

a

> major

> > > > change

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes,

death

> > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time

sensitive

> and

> > > what

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the

same

> > > pattern

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly

major

> > > > events,like

> > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money,

etc.

> > > Remember

> > > > > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be

> > > shared by

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time

> window" as

> > > > > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> > > > Ã,Â-- a

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or

> > > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a

planet

> is

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it

will

> > > give good

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it

will

> > > always

> > > > work.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time

> sensitive,

> > > so

> > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents,

> disappointments,

> > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown

with

> > > this

> > > > dasa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I

have

> > > > > > experimented

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including

> chara

> > > dasa

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find

work

> > > most

> > > > > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to

> what

> > > dasa

> > > > > > systems

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate

> them !

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

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