Mayans predictions (for Noel and all)

[Guest guest]

Namaste Noel,

 

There's a Mel Gibson movie coming out this Friday. It's called

Apocalypto. This movie may deal with this end of the world

prediction. Critics believe Gibson is using this movie as a social

commentary about current day issues.

 

Current descendants of the Mayas living in Guatemala have already

protested the content of the movie as it portrays their forefathers as

savages. But then again what is savage? Is the attainment of

enligthtenment the criteria for NOT being a savage? If yes, then many

of the people today are still savages.

 

According to the vedic shastras, this world will end as well when the

night of Brahma starts. Then, worlds will be created again when the

new day comes.

 

There's way to calculate the length of a Brahman day. But one has to

read a specific chapter of the Srimad Bhagavatam to get the

parameters. I've read the specific chapter and verse in the past. But

I could not recall the exact numbers.

 

Nonetheless, we are now in the early stage of Kali Yuga which will last

for 432,000 years. Chances are the world will not end in 2011 or even

at the end of Kali Yuga.

 

It is more likely that the universe will end as a Big Crunch or Big

Freeze, according to present day cosmologists.

 

I would predict we would be long gone from this earth when the world

comes to an end.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

valist, "Noel Gilbert" <noel_glbrt wrote:

>

> I don't thing they specify an exact date… the end of 2011 is as

> accurate as it gets… What I am saying is if this is true {the end of

> the world or consciences as we know it} you would thing it would

stand

> out like a sore thumb as a planet line up or something. I am no great

> astrology as of yet, and I can go blind looking, and looking for

> something in the future. If it's already happened I can go Oh ya!

There

> it is… but future events evade me… I was just wondering if some of

the

> top predictors could see this and see a correlation or maybe a

> different interpretation of it.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi John… I have the 18 books of the "Srimad Bhagavatam" by Swami

Prabhupada and the 50 books of the "Sacred Books of The Eest" by Max

Muller, and one of my goals in life was cross reference them. To see

it from and India point of view verse an Englishman's point of

view... It will in all probability never happen; it doesn't seem to

be as important to me now as it use to.

 

Swami Yukteswar {1855-1936} in his book The "Holy Science"

copyrighted in 1949 stated "and I quote" starting from page 15, 3rd

paragraph; …

 

The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present

{A.D. 1894} is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs.

 

The astronomers and astrologers who calculate the almanacs have been

guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars {such as

Kulluka Bhatta} of the dark age of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years, of

which 4994 have {in A.D. 1894} passed away, leaving 427,006 years

still remaining. A dark prospect! , and fortunately one not true.

 

The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time during the reign

of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last descending

Dwapara Yoga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthire, Noticing the

appearance of the dark Kali Yoga, made over his throne to his

grandson, the said Raja Parikshit Maharaja Yudhisthira, together

with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalayas

Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the

court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the principle of

correctly calculating the ages of the several Yugas.

 

Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the current Dwapara

Yuga, No one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga,

more manifest by beginning to calculate from its first year and to

put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

 

According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first

year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara

Yoga. In A.D. 499, when 1200 years, the length of the true Kale

Yuga, was complete, and the sun had reached the point of it's orbit

farthest from the grand center {when the Autumnal Equinox was on the

first point of Libra in the heavens} the age of Kali in its darkest

period was then numbered by 3600 years instead of by 1200.

 

With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499,

the sun began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand center,

and accordingly the intellectual power of man started to develop.

Therefore the mistake in the almanacs began to be noticed by the

wise men of the time, who found that the calculations of the ancient

rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at 1200 years only. But

as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably developed,

they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for

it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real

age of Kali, were not the ordinary years {"years of the gods"},

consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva

day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence

according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yoga must be equal to

432,000 years of our earth.

 

In coming to a right conclusion, however, we should take into

consideration the position of the Vernal Equinox at spring in the

year 1894.

 

The astronomical reference books show the Vernal Equinox now to be

20 degrees 54' 36" distant from the first point of Aries {the fixed

star Revati}, and by calculation it will appear that 1394 years have

passed since the time when Vernal Equinox begin to recede from the

first point of Aries.

 

Deducting 1200 years {the length of the last Ascending Kali Yoga}

from 1394, we get 194 to indicate the present year of the world's

entrance into the Dwapara Yuga. The mistake of older almanacs will

thus be clearly explained when we add 3600 years to this period of

1394 years and get 4994 years which according to the prevailing

mistaken theory represents the present year {A.D. 1894} in the Hindu

almanacs.

 

Referring to the diagram given in the book, the reader will see that

the Autumnal Equinox is now {A.D. 1894} falling among the stars of

Virgo Constellation, and in the Ascending Dwapara Yuga

 

End of quote…

 

When I was a young man searching out truth I always had to see all

the little details between the initial cause and the final effect

for me to have any faith in it… As I grew older I came to realize

that if I were going to analyze everything so deeply that I would

not gain enough truth to satisfy me before I die.

 

I had to pick a direction and stick with it if I was to be fruitful…

I pick Paramahansa Yogananda for numerous reasons. #1 I never found

any contradictions in his vast body of teachings. #2 He had more

followers then all the other Yogis. #3 He left behind more good then

all the rest. #4 He always comes to me when I really need him.

 

So to make a short story long, it wasn't hard for me to jump to the

conclusion that his Guru Swami Yukteswar was probably right on too…

according to my calculations we are about 200 years into Dwapara

Yuga going from the Iron age into the bronze age. Which would stand

up to a better reasoning considering the procession of science in

the last 200 years; leaving the dark ages of the 17th and 18th

centuries behind… if nothing else it's a more positive out look on

the future of humanity… Namasta …Noel…

[Guest guest]

Namaste Noel,

 

I'm impressed with your detailed knowledge of the vedic science.

With that knowledge, you should be able to determine when the end of

the day of Brahma--hence, the end of the universe as we know it.

 

The Mayan calendar appears to be highly developed as well. As I

recall, the Mayan culture was based on the planet Venus. As such,

they developed a numbering system based on 20, which is supposedly

based on the cycle of Venus.

 

Unfortunately, their written language is not as extensive as the

Hindus. In addition, their civilization disappeared before the time

the Spaniards came to the New World. And of those written documents

that were found, most of them were burned by the Spaniards.

 

Therefore, we should not worry too much about the indications of the

Mayan calendar, which for the most part has been conjured up by some

groups enamored by the Meso-American cultures of the past.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

valist, "Noel Gilbert" <noel_glbrt wrote:

>

> Hi John… I have the 18 books of the "Srimad Bhagavatam" by Swami

> Prabhupada and the 50 books of the "Sacred Books of The Eest" by

Max

> Muller, and one of my goals in life was cross reference them. To

see

> it from and India point of view verse an Englishman's point of

> view... It will in all probability never happen; it doesn't seem to

> be as important to me now as it use to.

>

> Swami Yukteswar {1855-1936} in his book The "Holy Science"

> copyrighted in 1949 stated "and I quote" starting from page 15, 3rd

> paragraph; …

>

> The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present

> {A.D. 1894} is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs.

>

> The astronomers and astrologers who calculate the almanacs have

been

> guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars {such as

> Kulluka Bhatta} of the dark age of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years, of

> which 4994 have {in A.D. 1894} passed away, leaving 427,006 years

> still remaining. A dark prospect! , and fortunately one not true.

>

> The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time during the reign

> of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last descending

> Dwapara Yoga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthire, Noticing the

> appearance of the dark Kali Yoga, made over his throne to his

> grandson, the said Raja Parikshit Maharaja Yudhisthira, together

> with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalayas

> Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the

> court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the principle of

> correctly calculating the ages of the several Yugas.

>

> Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the current

Dwapara

> Yuga, No one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga,

> more manifest by beginning to calculate from its first year and to

> put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

>

> According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first

> year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara

> Yoga. In A.D. 499, when 1200 years, the length of the true Kale

> Yuga, was complete, and the sun had reached the point of it's orbit

> farthest from the grand center {when the Autumnal Equinox was on

the

> first point of Libra in the heavens} the age of Kali in its darkest

> period was then numbered by 3600 years instead of by 1200.

>

> With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499,

> the sun began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand center,

> and accordingly the intellectual power of man started to develop.

> Therefore the mistake in the almanacs began to be noticed by the

> wise men of the time, who found that the calculations of the

ancient

> rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at 1200 years only.

But

> as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably developed,

> they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for

> it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the

real

> age of Kali, were not the ordinary years {"years of the gods"},

> consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each

daiva

> day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence

> according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yoga must be equal to

> 432,000 years of our earth.

>

> In coming to a right conclusion, however, we should take into

> consideration the position of the Vernal Equinox at spring in the

> year 1894.

>

> The astronomical reference books show the Vernal Equinox now to be

> 20 degrees 54' 36" distant from the first point of Aries {the fixed

> star Revati}, and by calculation it will appear that 1394 years

have

> passed since the time when Vernal Equinox begin to recede from the

> first point of Aries.

>

> Deducting 1200 years {the length of the last Ascending Kali Yoga}

> from 1394, we get 194 to indicate the present year of the world's

> entrance into the Dwapara Yuga. The mistake of older almanacs will

> thus be clearly explained when we add 3600 years to this period of

> 1394 years and get 4994 years which according to the prevailing

> mistaken theory represents the present year {A.D. 1894} in the

Hindu

> almanacs.

>

> Referring to the diagram given in the book, the reader will see

that

> the Autumnal Equinox is now {A.D. 1894} falling among the stars of

> Virgo Constellation, and in the Ascending Dwapara Yuga

>

> End of quote…

>

> When I was a young man searching out truth I always had to see all

> the little details between the initial cause and the final effect

> for me to have any faith in it… As I grew older I came to realize

> that if I were going to analyze everything so deeply that I would

> not gain enough truth to satisfy me before I die.

>

> I had to pick a direction and stick with it if I was to be

fruitful…

> I pick Paramahansa Yogananda for numerous reasons. #1 I never

found

> any contradictions in his vast body of teachings. #2 He had more

> followers then all the other Yogis. #3 He left behind more good

then

> all the rest. #4 He always comes to me when I really need him.

>

> So to make a short story long, it wasn't hard for me to jump to the

> conclusion that his Guru Swami Yukteswar was probably right on too…

> according to my calculations we are about 200 years into Dwapara

> Yuga going from the Iron age into the bronze age. Which would stand

> up to a better reasoning considering the procession of science in

> the last 200 years; leaving the dark ages of the 17th and 18th

> centuries behind… if nothing else it's a more positive out look on

> the future of humanity… Namasta …Noel…

>

[Guest guest]

John, may I heckle? (assuming your answer is yes, I¹ll continue)

 

 

>I'm impressed with your detailed knowledge of the vedic science.

>With that knowledge, you should be able to determine when the end of

>the day of Brahma--hence, the end of the universe as we know it.

 

 

 

But how do you feel about Noel¹s spelling of ³consciousness²?

 

John, he was quoting. That was Yukteswar, not Noel. (and he clearly states

he was quoting)

 

And, you don¹t need to determine the end of the day of Brahma, it¹s clearly

stated all over the scriptures that teach us about Brahma (of whom we have

no proof, nobody has ever seen, etc, thus we have no idea of the relevance

at all about any such ³day².)

 

And I¹m wondering, if I sign up, do I HAVE TO BE a misogynist ?

 

 

 

 

>The Mayan calendar appears to be highly developed as well. As I

>recall, the Mayan culture was based on the planet Venus. As such,

>they developed a numbering system based on 20, which is supposedly

>based on the cycle of Venus.

 

 

I think Ireland is based on the ³Delicates and Knits² cycle.

 

 

 

 

>Therefore, we should not worry too much about the indications of the

>Mayan calendar, which for the most part has been conjured up by some

>groups enamored by the Meso-American cultures of the past.

 

 

If the end is coming, we should worry.

We should only worry if Hindus make a prediction.

Those groups into Indian things are never enamored by India.

 

 

I think I get it all now.

 

 

 

Sorry, some of the people I tech support drive me to these lunatic states.

[Guest guest]

--- Richard E Wurst <das (AT) goravani (DOT) com> wrote:

> I think Ireland is based on the ³Delicates and

> Knits² cycle.

 

 

What? Not Permanent Press?

 

 

 

 

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Learn how on Small Business.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Noel,

 

Swami Yukteswar was using the star Revati, rather than Chitra (Spica),

as his primary fiducial or marking star. Revati (not the nakshatra

Revati), is a 5.57 magnitude star that was located a mere 10' from the

Vernal Point in 562 CE.

At some point in Indian history it appears that the primary marking star

was changed to Chitra--I've never heard an explanation for this change

(although Chitra is many times brighter as a 1st magnitude star and

perhaps seems more likely as a candidate for a referent.)

 

 

Yukteswar also stated: "When the Sun in its revolution around its dual....."

 

The above statement has been interpreted by some to mean that Yukteswar

was implying that the Sun had a binary twin that it was revolving around.

Some modern scientists are seeing evidence of this in unexplained

disturbances in various planetary bodies that could be accounted for by

an as yet undetected twin.

 

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Evidence_Mounts_For_Companion_Star_To_Our_Sun.html

 

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Sun_Has_Binary_Partner__May_Affect_The_Earth.html

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Year-Robert-Ballo/dp/B0000YHVMG

 

 

 

Yukteswar's Great Year of 24,000 years includes the idea that the

precessional rate is 54" per year, as opposed to the current rate of

50.26" which requires a Great Year of 25,800 years.

 

The earth's nutation or wobble on it's axis is the theory behind the

current model of precession, but a new theory includes the idea that

precessional movement may be due to the Sun's orbit around its binary

twin. This model may also account for the fact that the precessional

rate seems to be changing or speeding up.

 

Here is one theory that links a 24,000 year cycle with a solar binary twin.

 

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:empBbCpfzVIJ:www.newfrontiersinscience.com/Papers/v02n01a/v02n01a.pdf+periapsis+of+a+binary+system&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a

 

..

 

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/evidence/simplicity.shtml

 

Anyway, some food for thought regarding Swami Yukteswar and his "Holy

Science",

 

BTW, one of the links above takes you to amazon.com and a DVD called

"The Great Year" where this idea and Swami Yukteswar are discussed. I

saw this on PBS a few years ago and it was quite fascinating.

 

Steve

 

 

 

Noel Gilbert wrote:

 

>

>

> The astronomical reference books show the Vernal Equinox now to be

> 20 degrees 54' 36" distant from the first point of Aries {the fixed

> star Revati}, and by calculation it will appear that 1394 years have

> passed since the time when Vernal Equinox begin to recede from the

> first point of Aries.

>

> Deducting 1200 years {the length of the last Ascending Kali Yoga}

> from 1394, we get 194 to indicate the present year of the world's

> entrance into the Dwapara Yuga. The mistake of older almanacs will

> thus be clearly explained when we add 3600 years to this period of

> 1394 years and get 4994 years which according to the prevailing

> mistaken theory represents the present year {A.D. 1894} in the Hindu

> almanacs.

>

> Referring to the diagram given in the book, the reader will see that

> the Autumnal Equinox is now {A.D. 1894} falling among the stars of

> Virgo Constellation, and in the Ascending Dwapara Yuga

>

> End of quote

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

But how do you feel about Noel¹s spelling of ³consciousness² ?

 

Hey dude! If you think that's bad you should let me try it without

spell check! It would look like a new language...I am the worse speller

in this world…. Just kidding, but not by much!

[Guest guest]

Noel wrote:

 

But how do you feel about Noel©ös spelling of ©øconsciousness©÷ ?

 

Hey dude! If you think that's bad you should let me try it without

spell check! It would look like a new language...I am the worse speller

in this world¡¦. Just kidding, but not by much!

 

 

Richard writes:

 

Yeah, I can see you are right there with my two kids.!

 

The problem with spell checkers is that they can¡¯t tell if you are using the

RIGHT correctly spelled word.

 

Like in your above, the word ¡©worse- is correctly spelled, but you MEANT

¡©worst-

 

Which is why they invented syntax and grammar checking, but those are enough

harder to use that few do.

 

 

 

You¡¯re understandable, and that is what matters, and it adds charm!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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