Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 pujay shri Bhaskerji, i have been reading about aaturn in 4th - but what happens if it is in 5th can u enlighten me please - asc is leo - I shall be much obliged if u give some knowledge on this - would u need any other details than please let me kow - regards pdk Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> jyotish-vidya Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 2:02:06 PM Re: Saturn in 4th Dear Carana, Sanyasa Yoga or Pravajya Yoga- If 4 or More planets (other than Rahu or Ketu) occupy same Bhava,then the condition are there to become a Sanyasi If Sun is the most powerful causing Pravajya then- Sanyasin is extremely impressive and powerful. If Moon is the strongest causing the Pravajya such a native applies ash to his body ,is non violent,has pleasing personality and carries skull like object in his hands. If Mercury then, native is well versed in Magic, is malicious and non vegetarian in eating habits. If jupiter then, such a native becomes a Sanysin of the highest order, moves around from one tirtha sthala to another,excellent tapasvi and well versed in knowledge of the shastras. If Venus then, native lives a nomadic life and keeps a chakra like instrument in his hand. If saturn then native moves around almost naked and is malicious by nature. All the 4 planets should be degrecally close to each other within 4 to 5 degrees to cause above Yoga. There are other combinations for one to become religious or spiritual or meditative etc. where need not be 4 or more planets in conjunctions. Here the aspects bewteen 2 planets or conjunctions between 2 planets would be enough. I am not going in detail now for lack of time. To have less of sex desires, the 7th and 8th Bhava should not be influenced by Mars , Mercury too is responsible in 7th or Lagna at times to cause this, and if theres no influence of Venus or Mars on to each other, again such natives are content with whatever they have. Its not necessary that a person should have a weak Venus to get less sensual desires. On the contrary a weak afflicted Venus in combination or aspect by another tamasic graha may cause native to go for unnatural gratifications on the physical plane. Saturn will not have a negative impact on You. Saturn MahaDasha would prove good for You, a change for the better, new placement in profession , a small journey - shift -within start of your Dasha 2-3 months, will give you money, and happiness. Some job connected to writing,consultatio n, report preparing, connected to Administrative, Police,Military, Iron-steel, electrical, engineering industries ? The other learned members may shed more light on above subject. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Pada Sevanam <carana_padma@ ...> wrote: > > Dear jyotish acaryas > > On the matter of Saturn in the 4th.... > > I also happen to have Saturn in the fourth - but Saturn is my strongest planet with highest Shad Bhala in all respects, and is also aspected by Mars from the seventh, as well as being Lord of the Ascendant. I have been worried about my upcoming Saturn Mahadasa in a few years' time, as generally Saturn has such negative impact. But in the light of the above will results be positive? or mixed? or bad? Saturn is in Taurus in my chart. Moon in first house, Jupiter exalted in 11th, Rahu in 12th, Ketu 6th..... > > Please tell me how I will determine how good or bad Saturn period is going to be? > > And on the topic for renunciation - what genearlly indicates in a chart that a person is a good candidate for Sannyasa and has not much sex desire? Week Venus? > > Thanks a million > > Hari om! > Carana > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > Dear Krishnaji, > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > In the absence of other details- > > High learning if Mars is strong, > Maternal happiness may not be there. > Neither domestic happiness. > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > In any case you will be leaning towards > Varigya,detachement > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > and making this base strong. > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > You know better. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my eyes > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th lord > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in the > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the aspect of > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the 12th by > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same count). > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet Saints. > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for asking. > > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the texts, > > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart reading. > > > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa chart. > > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > > > start leading a good life, like in case > > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by asking. > > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is placed), > > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement with > > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > > > missing, > > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th House. > > > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely from > > > the > > > psyche > > > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > > > being and > > > body, > > > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought on > > > the > > > world first, > > > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > > > through > > > thousands > > > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > > > evaporated > > > completely, > > > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire so, > > > for this > > > is the > > > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of course > > > once > > > the seed of > > > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births the > > > native > > > would be > > > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled with > > > efforts > > > on the part > > > of the native. > > > > > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > > > attached to the Physical body. > > > 1) Annamaya Kosha > > > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > > > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > > > 4) Manomaya Kosha > > > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > > > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > > > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > > > > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > > > Pranmaya Kosha > > > starts melting > > > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are all > > > > > > stored. > > > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > > > According > > > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes of > > > ghosts - > > > Rakshaa-demon, Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > > > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > > > relation > > > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it takes > > > some > > > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > > > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take to > > > melt. > > > The ectoplasm can > > > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like possession > > > as it > > > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is the > > > reason > > > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > > > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless Vasnamaya > > > kosha > > > does > > > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > > > > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > > > Kosha > > > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you are > > > in > > > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan > > > <sherlockbalaji@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > > > > > ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this > > > > position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong > > > > basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this > > > > basic promise to come to fruition, there must be > > > > support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, > > > > lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// > > > > > > > > I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and > > > > the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied > > > > to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, > > > > and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha > > > > houses (4, 8, 12). > > > > > > > > BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A > > > > man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me > > > > salvation." > > > > > > > > "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of > > > > tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." > > > > > > > > The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the > > > > hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few > > > > aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to > > > > pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the > > > > easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He > > > > is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for > > > > this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. > > > > However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely > > > > indicates! > > > > > > > > Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the > > > > logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful > > > > nature of God! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > > Author & Editor > > > > http://www.balaji. ind.in/ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > ____________ __ > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > http://new.mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ __ > > Any questions? 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear pdk, I'm assuming this is your chart with 7th lord Saturn in sign of Jupiter in 5th? I'm sure we've looked at this chart before in reference to your intake of food (or lack thereof), is this correct? I note that 6th lord (6th governing appetite) Saturn aspecting KE/MA in 2nd (partaking of food) whilst both his (Saturn's) nakshatra lord Venus and dispositor (Jupiter) occupy 12th. Providing this is the correct chart you've been running Ketu dasa since Jan 2005...is this so? If you care to share the details (of your chart) again perhaps our newer members would like to offer their comments :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "pdk kotak" <ganeshji101 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:43 PM Re: Re: Saturn in 4th pujay shri Bhaskerji, i have been reading about aaturn in 4th - but what happens if it is in 5th can u enlighten me please - asc is leo - I shall be much obliged if u give some knowledge on this - would u need any other details than please let me kow - regards pdk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeethaRamaKrishnan S Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Are there strong indications for moksha, detachment, sanyasa in this chart ? Ascdt, Kethu in Sagittarius; Sat in Cap; Jup in Pisces; Merc, Ven in Aries; Sun in Taurus; Rahu in Gemini; Mars in Leo; Moon in Virgo; Currently running Jupiter Dasa, Moon bukthi upto Oct 2007. Will Saturn Dasa strengthen vairagya ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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