Is Rashi a Varga - BPHS -Santhanam reference

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OM Datta Guru

 

Dear All,

 

Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign'

Shloka 2,3,4 says

 

2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The same are Rasi,

hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa, Dasasamsa ........

 

The above is verbatim

 

[self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then Rasi is a

Varga, one among the 16.

 

Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or house or what ?

 

Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been disputed but I

am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My contention

is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there is shloka

from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it works its

fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste 2 yrs

discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i have learnt,

one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it & others who see

if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer P M Padia and

Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US, Padia saheb

says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if Parasara said

it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which people get

correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer & not endless

debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

 

I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make astrology

simpler.

 

I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on this or any

post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists in such

pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism & self

gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch the drama &

these 10 continue to pat each others back with such sweetness as if

they are the best human beings god created . These lists are now

crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

 

The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet sarcastic

tones are often called compassionate men by their blind followers & like

dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal instincts. A

true compassionate person offers his other cheek when insulted or

attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe Gandhi proved

that I do not know history.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil John

 

Mumbai

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

 

I am glad that you have understood my point.You are absolutely

right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

Parashara.

Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is not a

varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

 

Regds

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear All,

>

> Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign'

> Shloka 2,3,4 says

>

> 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The same are

Rasi,

> hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

Dasasamsa ........

>

> The above is verbatim

>

> [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then Rasi is a

> Varga, one among the 16.

>

> Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or house or

what ?

>

> Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been disputed

but I

> am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

contention

> is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there is shloka

> from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it works its

> fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste 2 yrs

> discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i have

learnt,

> one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it & others who

see

> if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer P M Padia

and

> Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US, Padia

saheb

> says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if Parasara

said

> it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which people

get

> correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer & not

endless

> debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

>

> I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make astrology

> simpler.

>

> I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on this or

any

> post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists in such

> pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism & self

> gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch the drama &

> these 10 continue to pat each others back with such sweetness as if

> they are the best human beings god created . These lists are now

> crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

>

> The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

sarcastic

> tones are often called compassionate men by their blind followers &

like

> dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

instincts. A

> true compassionate person offers his other cheek when insulted or

> attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe Gandhi

proved

> that I do not know history.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

>

> Mumbai

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Datta Guru

 

Hi Pradeep,

 

I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very tough

language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

 

Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> Parashara.

> Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is not a

> varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

 

[sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by sage

parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a varga - so I do

not understand.

 

I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to explain this but

its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand it better. I

wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still stuck at the

first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive astrology

is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters & also last one

contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it seems. He said

99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has written in those

chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs meeting rare

astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

 

He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it doesn't exist

is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could be right.

 

best

 

SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> I am glad that you have understood my point.You are absolutely

> right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> Parashara.

> Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is not a

> varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign'

> > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> >

> > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The same are

> Rasi,

> > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> Dasasamsa ........

> >

> > The above is verbatim

> >

> > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then Rasi is a

> > Varga, one among the 16.

> >

> > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or house or

> what ?

> >

> > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been disputed

> but I

> > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

> contention

> > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there is shloka

> > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it works its

> > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste 2 yrs

> > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i have

> learnt,

> > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it & others who

> see

> > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer P M Padia

> and

> > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US, Padia

> saheb

> > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if Parasara

> said

> > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which people

> get

> > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer & not

> endless

> > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> >

> > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make astrology

> > simpler.

> >

> > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on this or

> any

> > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists in such

> > pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism & self

> > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch the drama &

> > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such sweetness as if

> > they are the best human beings god created . These lists are now

> > crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

> >

> > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

> sarcastic

> > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind followers &

> like

> > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

> instincts. A

> > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when insulted or

> > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe Gandhi

> proved

> > that I do not know history.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > Mumbai

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

 

It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga given in

your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

 

Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12 Rashis.They are

not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava(Sun

Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts within

an organ.

 

I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence(over

smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

conclusions.

Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse the

choice is ours.

 

I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in running

behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

 

Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not clear.

 

Your Sahapaaddhi

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very tough

> language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

>

> Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > Parashara.

> > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is

not a

> > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

>

> [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by sage

> parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a varga -

so I do

> not understand.

>

> I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to explain

this but

> its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand it

better. I

> wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still stuck at

the

> first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

astrology

> is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters & also

last one

> contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it seems.

He said

> 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has written in

those

> chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs meeting

rare

> astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

>

> He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it doesn't

exist

> is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could be

right.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> >

> > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are absolutely

> > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > Parashara.

> > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is

not a

> > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of a

Sign'

> > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > >

> > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16

kinds of

> > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The same are

> > Rasi,

> > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > Dasasamsa ........

> > >

> > > The above is verbatim

> > >

> > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then Rasi

is a

> > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or house

or

> > what ?

> > >

> > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been

disputed

> > but I

> > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

> > contention

> > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there is

shloka

> > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it

works its

> > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste 2

yrs

> > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i have

> > learnt,

> > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it & others

who

> > see

> > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer P M

Padia

> > and

> > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US, Padia

> > saheb

> > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

Parasara

> > said

> > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which

people

> > get

> > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer & not

> > endless

> > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > >

> > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

astrology

> > > simpler.

> > >

> > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on

this or

> > any

> > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists in

such

> > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism & self

> > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch the

drama &

> > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such sweetness

as if

> > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists are

now

> > > crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

> > >

> > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

> > sarcastic

> > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

followers &

> > like

> > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

> > instincts. A

> > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when insulted

or

> > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe

Gandhi

> > proved

> > > that I do not know history.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

OM Datta Guru

 

Hi Pradeep,

 

Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to understand first

mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur reply on

what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a profound

statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

 

U wrote

> >

> > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > Parashara.

> > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is

> not a

> > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> >

[sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as defined by sage

parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a varga -

so I do not understand.

 

 

The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had done

grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I await ur

reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if there is a

english term like that).

 

U wrote

 

> Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse the

> choice is ours.

 

[sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are coming

from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city astrologers is

so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding things but when

parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city astrologers

jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as show off.

 

I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or a Guru or

a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE WHOLE OF

ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning & hence my Guru

Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and shown me

light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or Nadi IN A

WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following since I

feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so many DASAS

or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and predict but if

the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since the nectar

of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

 

I also understand that most astrologers of current era get scared and

jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and many others

like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face this,

this would not have happened if people understood the first 2 chapters

of Parasara & the last one I am told.

 

best

 

SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga given in

> your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

>

> Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12 Rashis.They are

> not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava(Sun

> Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts within

> an organ.

>

> I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence(over

> smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> conclusions.

> Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse the

> choice is ours.

>

> I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in running

> behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

>

> Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not clear.

>

> Your Sahapaaddhi

> Pradeep

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very tough

> > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> >

> > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > Parashara.

> > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is

> not a

> > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> >

> > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by sage

> > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a varga -

> so I do

> > not understand.

> >

> > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to explain

> this but

> > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand it

> better. I

> > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still stuck at

> the

> > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

> astrology

> > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters & also

> last one

> > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it seems.

> He said

> > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has written in

> those

> > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs meeting

> rare

> > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> >

> > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it doesn't

> exist

> > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could be

> right.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > >

> > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are absolutely

> > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > Parashara.

> > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra is

> not a

> > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of a

> Sign'

> > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > >

> > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16

> kinds of

> > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The same are

> > > Rasi,

> > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > >

> > > > The above is verbatim

> > > >

> > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then Rasi

> is a

> > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or house

> or

> > > what ?

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been

> disputed

> > > but I

> > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

> > > contention

> > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there is

> shloka

> > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it

> works its

> > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste 2

> yrs

> > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i have

> > > learnt,

> > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it & others

> who

> > > see

> > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer P M

> Padia

> > > and

> > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US, Padia

> > > saheb

> > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

> Parasara

> > > said

> > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which

> people

> > > get

> > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer & not

> > > endless

> > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > >

> > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

> astrology

> > > > simpler.

> > > >

> > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on

> this or

> > > any

> > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists in

> such

> > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism & self

> > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch the

> drama &

> > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such sweetness

> as if

> > > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists are

> now

> > > > crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

> > > >

> > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

> > > sarcastic

> > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

> followers &

> > > like

> > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

> > > instincts. A

> > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when insulted

> or

> > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe

> Gandhi

> > > proved

> > > > that I do not know history.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

On 12/8/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 > wrote:

>

> I await ur reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if

> there is a

> english term like that).

>

 

 

Off-topic but 'sagacious' could well convey what I thought you implied

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

I wrote -

''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage Parashara.

Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi is one

sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope things are

clear now.

 

Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

understanding of the subject.

Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha and

understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before properly

understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using various

techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to understand

first

> mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur

reply on

> what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a profound

> statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

>

> U wrote

> > >

> > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > Parashara.

> > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

is

> > not a

> > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > >

> [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as defined

by sage

> parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

varga -

> so I do not understand.

>

>

> The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had done

> grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I await

ur

> reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if there is

a

> english term like that).

>

> U wrote

>

> > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> > front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse

the

> > choice is ours.

>

> [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

coming

> from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

astrologers is

> so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding things but

when

> parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

astrologers

> jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as show

off.

>

> I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or a

Guru or

> a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE WHOLE OF

> ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning & hence my

Guru

> Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and shown

me

> light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or Nadi

IN A

> WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

since I

> feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so many

DASAS

> or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and predict

but if

> the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since the

nectar

> of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

>

> I also understand that most astrologers of current era get scared

and

> jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and many

others

> like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

this,

> this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

chapters

> of Parasara & the last one I am told.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> >

> > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga given in

> > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> >

> > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12 Rashis.They

are

> > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava

(Sun

> > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts

within

> > an organ.

> >

> > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence(over

> > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > conclusions.

> > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> > front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse

the

> > choice is ours.

> >

> > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in running

> > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> >

> > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not clear.

> >

> > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > Pradeep

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Hi Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very

tough

> > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > >

> > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > Parashara.

> > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

is

> > not a

> > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by

sage

> > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

varga -

> > so I do

> > > not understand.

> > >

> > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to explain

> > this but

> > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand it

> > better. I

> > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still stuck

at

> > the

> > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

> > astrology

> > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters & also

> > last one

> > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

seems.

> > He said

> > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has written in

> > those

> > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs

meeting

> > rare

> > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > >

> > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

doesn't

> > exist

> > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could be

> > right.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > >

> > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

absolutely

> > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > Parashara.

> > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

is

> > not a

> > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of

a

> > Sign'

> > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > >

> > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16

> > kinds of

> > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The

same are

> > > > Rasi,

> > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > >

> > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > >

> > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then

Rasi

> > is a

> > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or

house

> > or

> > > > what ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been

> > disputed

> > > > but I

> > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

> > > > contention

> > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there

is

> > shloka

> > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it

> > works its

> > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste

2

> > yrs

> > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i

have

> > > > learnt,

> > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it &

others

> > who

> > > > see

> > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer

P M

> > Padia

> > > > and

> > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US,

Padia

> > > > saheb

> > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

> > Parasara

> > > > said

> > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which

> > people

> > > > get

> > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer &

not

> > > > endless

> > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

> > astrology

> > > > > simpler.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on

> > this or

> > > > any

> > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists

in

> > such

> > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism &

self

> > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch

the

> > drama &

> > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

sweetness

> > as if

> > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists

are

> > now

> > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

> > > > >

> > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

> > > > sarcastic

> > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

> > followers &

> > > > like

> > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

> > > > instincts. A

> > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

insulted

> > or

> > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe

> > Gandhi

> > > > proved

> > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Om Datta Guru

 

Hi Pradeep,

 

I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand it beyond

it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have been

indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur point I am

not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath understood also

and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or end with

them & there are many scholars.

 

I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing board.

 

Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it will ever

lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be removed in

this list

 

As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can ever

master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one Technique

 

a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever failed in

their predictions EVER and both have their own share of failures which

doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget sometimes the

failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

 

b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written on a dasa

or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic or text

would contain contradictory information and if u have read texts then u

would know on many things they didn't agree among each others views

 

c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book one may

find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to repeat,

those who wish can refer to his books

 

d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have realised

which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses to

predict might not be always the same.

 

No one is against learning/using various

> techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

 

 

f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post 20 charts

of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of them &

then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction. Similarly

I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

 

I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the top Gurus

and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who want to

consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers actually

fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

 

best

 

SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

> I wrote -

> ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage Parashara.

> Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi is one

> sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope things are

> clear now.

>

> Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> understanding of the subject.

> Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha and

> understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before properly

> understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using various

> techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to understand

> first

> > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur

> reply on

> > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a profound

> > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> >

> > U wrote

> > > >

> > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > > >

> > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as defined

> by sage

> > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> varga -

> > so I do not understand.

> >

> >

> > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had done

> > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I await

> ur

> > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if there is

> a

> > english term like that).

> >

> > U wrote

> >

> > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> > > front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse

> the

> > > choice is ours.

> >

> > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> coming

> > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> astrologers is

> > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding things but

> when

> > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> astrologers

> > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as show

> off.

> >

> > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or a

> Guru or

> > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE WHOLE OF

> > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning & hence my

> Guru

> > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and shown

> me

> > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or Nadi

> IN A

> > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

> since I

> > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so many

> DASAS

> > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and predict

> but if

> > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since the

> nectar

> > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

> >

> > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get scared

> and

> > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and many

> others

> > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

> this,

> > this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

> chapters

> > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > >

> > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga given in

> > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > >

> > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12 Rashis.They

> are

> > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava

> (Sun

> > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts

> within

> > > an organ.

> > >

> > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence(over

> > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > conclusions.

> > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value in

> > > front of others(and market), but not Self satisfaction.Ofcourse

> the

> > > choice is ours.

> > >

> > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in running

> > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > >

> > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not clear.

> > >

> > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very

> tough

> > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > >

> > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by

> sage

> > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> varga -

> > > so I do

> > > > not understand.

> > > >

> > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to explain

> > > this but

> > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand it

> > > better. I

> > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still stuck

> at

> > > the

> > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

> > > astrology

> > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters & also

> > > last one

> > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

> seems.

> > > He said

> > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has written in

> > > those

> > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs

> meeting

> > > rare

> > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > >

> > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

> doesn't

> > > exist

> > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could be

> > > right.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> absolutely

> > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi chakra

> is

> > > not a

> > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions of

> a

> > > Sign'

> > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has described 16

> > > kinds of

> > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The

> same are

> > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct then

> Rasi

> > > is a

> > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or

> house

> > > or

> > > > > what ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have been

> > > disputed

> > > > > but I

> > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the above. My

> > > > > contention

> > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether there

> is

> > > shloka

> > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if it

> > > works its

> > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't waste

> 2

> > > yrs

> > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of people i

> have

> > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it &

> others

> > > who

> > > > > see

> > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great astrologer

> P M

> > > Padia

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in US,

> Padia

> > > > > saheb

> > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

> > > Parasara

> > > > > said

> > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by which

> > > people

> > > > > get

> > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an astrologer &

> not

> > > > > endless

> > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

> > > astrology

> > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates on

> > > this or

> > > > > any

> > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on lists

> in

> > > such

> > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism & clanism &

> self

> > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch

> the

> > > drama &

> > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> sweetness

> > > as if

> > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists

> are

> > > now

> > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military careers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle yet

> > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

> > > followers &

> > > > > like

> > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their animal

> > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

> insulted

> > > or

> > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights - maybe

> > > Gandhi

> > > > > proved

> > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

 

Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

for long please.

The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The Navamsha is

the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on which

fruits are, is my opinion.

Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of others so

that a common result if receievd from these various approaches would

be more near the truth.

Mastery does not imply perfection.

It only means knowing one approach better than others.

 

Anyway why discuss all this /

there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and keeping them

lubricated by continous use.

Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make sense

unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

 

Lets not fight.

 

Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should also cool

down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as possible,

otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

 

I request you both to stop this war and get down to something useful.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand it

beyond

> it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have been

> indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur point I

am

> not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath understood

also

> and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

> discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or end

with

> them & there are many scholars.

>

> I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing

board.

>

> Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it will

ever

> lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be removed

in

> this list

>

> As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can ever

> master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

Technique

>

> a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

failed in

> their predictions EVER and both have their own share of failures

which

> doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget sometimes

the

> failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

>

> b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written on a

dasa

> or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic or

text

> would contain contradictory information and if u have read texts

then u

> would know on many things they didn't agree among each others views

>

> c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book one

may

> find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to

repeat,

> those who wish can refer to his books

>

> d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have realised

> which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses to

> predict might not be always the same.

>

> No one is against learning/using various

> > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

>

>

> f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post 20

charts

> of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of

them &

> then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

Similarly

> I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

>

> I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the top

Gurus

> and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who want

to

> consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers actually

> fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> > I wrote -

> > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

Parashara.

> > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi is

one

> > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope things

are

> > clear now.

> >

> > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > understanding of the subject.

> > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha and

> > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

properly

> > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

various

> > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Hi Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

understand

> > first

> > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur

> > reply on

> > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

profound

> > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > >

> > > U wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > >

> > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as defined

> > by sage

> > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> > varga -

> > > so I do not understand.

> > >

> > >

> > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had

done

> > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I

await

> > ur

> > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if there

is

> > a

> > > english term like that).

> > >

> > > U wrote

> > >

> > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value

in

> > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > the

> > > > choice is ours.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> > coming

> > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > astrologers is

> > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding things

but

> > when

> > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > astrologers

> > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as show

> > off.

> > >

> > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or a

> > Guru or

> > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE WHOLE

OF

> > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning & hence

my

> > Guru

> > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and

shown

> > me

> > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or

Nadi

> > IN A

> > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

> > since I

> > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so many

> > DASAS

> > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and predict

> > but if

> > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since the

> > nectar

> > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

> > >

> > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get

scared

> > and

> > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and

many

> > others

> > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

> > this,

> > > this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

> > chapters

> > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > >

> > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga

given in

> > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > >

> > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

Rashis.They

> > are

> > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava

> > (Sun

> > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts

> > within

> > > > an organ.

> > > >

> > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence

(over

> > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > > conclusions.

> > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value

in

> > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > the

> > > > choice is ours.

> > > >

> > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

running

> > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not

clear.

> > > >

> > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very

> > tough

> > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by

> > sage

> > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> > varga -

> > > > so I do

> > > > > not understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to

explain

> > > > this but

> > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand

it

> > > > better. I

> > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still

stuck

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

> > > > astrology

> > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters &

also

> > > > last one

> > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

> > seems.

> > > > He said

> > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

written in

> > > > those

> > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs

> > meeting

> > > > rare

> > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > >

> > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

> > doesn't

> > > > exist

> > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could

be

> > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > absolutely

> > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by

sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions

of

> > a

> > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

described 16

> > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The

> > same are

> > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct

then

> > Rasi

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or

> > house

> > > > or

> > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have

been

> > > > disputed

> > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

above. My

> > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether

there

> > is

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if

it

> > > > works its

> > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't

waste

> > 2

> > > > yrs

> > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

people i

> > have

> > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it &

> > others

> > > > who

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

astrologer

> > P M

> > > > Padia

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in

US,

> > Padia

> > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by

which

> > > > people

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

astrologer &

> > not

> > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates

on

> > > > this or

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on

lists

> > in

> > > > such

> > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

clanism &

> > self

> > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch

> > the

> > > > drama &

> > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> > sweetness

> > > > as if

> > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists

> > are

> > > > now

> > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

careers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle

yet

> > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

> > > > followers &

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their

animal

> > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

> > insulted

> > > > or

> > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights -

maybe

> > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Thanks for your understanding.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

>

> Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

> Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

> for long please.

> The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The Navamsha is

> the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on which

> fruits are, is my opinion.

> Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of others

so

> that a common result if receievd from these various approaches

would

> be more near the truth.

> Mastery does not imply perfection.

> It only means knowing one approach better than others.

>

> Anyway why discuss all this /

> there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

> waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

> them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

> also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and keeping them

> lubricated by continous use.

> Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make sense

> unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

>

> Lets not fight.

>

> Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should also

cool

> down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as possible,

> otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

>

> I request you both to stop this war and get down to something

useful.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand it

> beyond

> > it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have

been

> > indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur point

I

> am

> > not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath

understood

> also

> > and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

> > discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or end

> with

> > them & there are many scholars.

> >

> > I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing

> board.

> >

> > Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it will

> ever

> > lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be

removed

> in

> > this list

> >

> > As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can ever

> > master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

> Technique

> >

> > a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

> failed in

> > their predictions EVER and both have their own share of failures

> which

> > doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget sometimes

> the

> > failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

> >

> > b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written on

a

> dasa

> > or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic

or

> text

> > would contain contradictory information and if u have read texts

> then u

> > would know on many things they didn't agree among each others

views

> >

> > c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book one

> may

> > find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to

> repeat,

> > those who wish can refer to his books

> >

> > d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have

realised

> > which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses to

> > predict might not be always the same.

> >

> > No one is against learning/using various

> > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

give

> > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> >

> >

> > f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post 20

> charts

> > of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of

> them &

> > then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> > predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

> Similarly

> > I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

> >

> > I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the top

> Gurus

> > and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who

want

> to

> > consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers

actually

> > fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > > I wrote -

> > > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> Parashara.

> > > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> > > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi is

> one

> > > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope things

> are

> > > clear now.

> > >

> > > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > > understanding of the subject.

> > > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha

and

> > > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

> properly

> > > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

> various

> > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

give

> > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

> understand

> > > first

> > > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur

> > > reply on

> > > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

> profound

> > > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > > >

> > > > U wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > >

> > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as

defined

> > > by sage

> > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> > > varga -

> > > > so I do not understand.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had

> done

> > > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I

> await

> > > ur

> > > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if

there

> is

> > > a

> > > > english term like that).

> > > >

> > > > U wrote

> > > >

> > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

value

> in

> > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > the

> > > > > choice is ours.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> > > coming

> > > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > > astrologers is

> > > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding

things

> but

> > > when

> > > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > > astrologers

> > > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as

show

> > > off.

> > > >

> > > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or

a

> > > Guru or

> > > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE

WHOLE

> OF

> > > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning &

hence

> my

> > > Guru

> > > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and

> shown

> > > me

> > > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or

> Nadi

> > > IN A

> > > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

> > > since I

> > > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so

many

> > > DASAS

> > > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and

predict

> > > but if

> > > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since

the

> > > nectar

> > > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

> > > >

> > > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get

> scared

> > > and

> > > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and

> many

> > > others

> > > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

> > > this,

> > > > this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

> > > chapters

> > > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga

> given in

> > > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

> Rashis.They

> > > are

> > > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one

bhava

> > > (Sun

> > > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts

> > > within

> > > > > an organ.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence

> (over

> > > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > > > conclusions.

> > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

value

> in

> > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > the

> > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > >

> > > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

> running

> > > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not

> clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a

very

> > > tough

> > > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined

by

> > > sage

> > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> > > varga -

> > > > > so I do

> > > > > > not understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to

> explain

> > > > > this but

> > > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u

undertsand

> it

> > > > > better. I

> > > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still

> stuck

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on

predictive

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters

&

> also

> > > > > last one

> > > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

> > > seems.

> > > > > He said

> > > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

> written in

> > > > > those

> > > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs

> > > meeting

> > > > > rare

> > > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

> > > doesn't

> > > > > exist

> > > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he

could

> be

> > > > > right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > > absolutely

> > > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by

> sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen

Divisions

> of

> > > a

> > > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

> described 16

> > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The

> > > same are

> > > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct

> then

> > > Rasi

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign

or

> > > house

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have

> been

> > > > > disputed

> > > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

> above. My

> > > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether

> there

> > > is

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not,

if

> it

> > > > > works its

> > > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't

> waste

> > > 2

> > > > > yrs

> > > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

> people i

> > > have

> > > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it

&

> > > others

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

> astrologer

> > > P M

> > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in

> US,

> > > Padia

> > > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know

if

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by

> which

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

> astrologer &

> > > not

> > > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to

make

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into

debates

> on

> > > > > this or

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on

> lists

> > > in

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

> clanism &

> > > self

> > > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000

watch

> > > the

> > > > > drama &

> > > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> > > sweetness

> > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These

lists

> > > are

> > > > > now

> > > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

> careers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use

subtle

> yet

> > > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their

blind

> > > > > followers &

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their

> animal

> > > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

> > > insulted

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights -

> maybe

> > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

 

On one hand you say you don't belv in shlokas.Other hand you quote

BPHS.I have no problems.But you should atleast trust what you have

quoted.If you read BPHS and my view,you will find i am strictly

following classical explanation.Classical examples,tradition where i

am from,classical examples,scholars like Late Santhanam,Dr.SubbuRao

etc give similar feeling.

 

You are free and i have no right to control your decisions.I am

interfering only when some one is trying to sell it in the name of

Parashara.I would love to stick to classical definiton.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand it

beyond

> it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have been

> indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur point I

am

> not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath understood

also

> and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

> discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or end

with

> them & there are many scholars.

>

> I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing

board.

>

> Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it will

ever

> lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be removed

in

> this list

>

> As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can ever

> master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

Technique

>

> a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

failed in

> their predictions EVER and both have their own share of failures

which

> doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget sometimes

the

> failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

>

> b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written on a

dasa

> or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic or

text

> would contain contradictory information and if u have read texts

then u

> would know on many things they didn't agree among each others views

>

> c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book one

may

> find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to

repeat,

> those who wish can refer to his books

>

> d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have realised

> which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses to

> predict might not be always the same.

>

> No one is against learning/using various

> > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

>

>

> f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post 20

charts

> of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of

them &

> then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

Similarly

> I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

>

> I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the top

Gurus

> and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who want

to

> consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers actually

> fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> > I wrote -

> > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

Parashara.

> > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi is

one

> > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope things

are

> > clear now.

> >

> > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > understanding of the subject.

> > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha and

> > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

properly

> > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

various

> > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will give

> > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Hi Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

understand

> > first

> > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus ur

> > reply on

> > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

profound

> > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > >

> > > U wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > >

> > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as defined

> > by sage

> > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> > varga -

> > > so I do not understand.

> > >

> > >

> > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I had

done

> > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I

await

> > ur

> > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if there

is

> > a

> > > english term like that).

> > >

> > > U wrote

> > >

> > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value

in

> > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > the

> > > > choice is ours.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> > coming

> > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > astrologers is

> > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding things

but

> > when

> > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > astrologers

> > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as show

> > off.

> > >

> > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer or a

> > Guru or

> > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE WHOLE

OF

> > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning & hence

my

> > Guru

> > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and

shown

> > me

> > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or

Nadi

> > IN A

> > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

> > since I

> > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so many

> > DASAS

> > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and predict

> > but if

> > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since the

> > nectar

> > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for me.

> > >

> > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get

scared

> > and

> > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and

many

> > others

> > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

> > this,

> > > this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

> > chapters

> > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > >

> > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga

given in

> > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > >

> > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

Rashis.They

> > are

> > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one bhava

> > (Sun

> > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific parts

> > within

> > > > an organ.

> > > >

> > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence

(over

> > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > > conclusions.

> > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give value

in

> > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > the

> > > > choice is ours.

> > > >

> > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

running

> > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not

clear.

> > > >

> > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a very

> > tough

> > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as defined by

> > sage

> > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> > varga -

> > > > so I do

> > > > > not understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to

explain

> > > > this but

> > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u undertsand

it

> > > > better. I

> > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still

stuck

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on predictive

> > > > astrology

> > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters &

also

> > > > last one

> > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

> > seems.

> > > > He said

> > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

written in

> > > > those

> > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50 yrs

> > meeting

> > > > rare

> > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > >

> > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

> > doesn't

> > > > exist

> > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he could

be

> > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > absolutely

> > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by

sage

> > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

chakra

> > is

> > > > not a

> > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen Divisions

of

> > a

> > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

described 16

> > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those. The

> > same are

> > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct

then

> > Rasi

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign or

> > house

> > > > or

> > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have

been

> > > > disputed

> > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

above. My

> > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether

there

> > is

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not, if

it

> > > > works its

> > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't

waste

> > 2

> > > > yrs

> > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

people i

> > have

> > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at it &

> > others

> > > > who

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

astrologer

> > P M

> > > > Padia

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers in

US,

> > Padia

> > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not know if

> > > > Parasara

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by

which

> > > > people

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

astrologer &

> > not

> > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to make

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into debates

on

> > > > this or

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on

lists

> > in

> > > > such

> > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

clanism &

> > self

> > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000 watch

> > the

> > > > drama &

> > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> > sweetness

> > > > as if

> > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These lists

> > are

> > > > now

> > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

careers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use subtle

yet

> > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their blind

> > > > followers &

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their

animal

> > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

> > insulted

> > > > or

> > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights -

maybe

> > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

bhaskar ji, Thanks for intervening. This discussion is not going

anywhere, pradeep and sunil, you are both intelligent enough to

realize this, snap out of it guys !

 

Suneel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

>

> Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

> Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

> for long please.

> The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The Navamsha

is

> the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on

which

> fruits are, is my opinion.

> Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of others

so

> that a common result if receievd from these various approaches

would

> be more near the truth.

> Mastery does not imply perfection.

> It only means knowing one approach better than others.

>

> Anyway why discuss all this /

> there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

> waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

> them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

> also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and keeping

them

> lubricated by continous use.

> Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make

sense

> unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

>

> Lets not fight.

>

> Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should also

cool

> down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as possible,

> otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

>

> I request you both to stop this war and get down to something

useful.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand

it

> beyond

> > it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have

been

> > indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur

point I

> am

> > not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath

understood

> also

> > and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

> > discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or

end

> with

> > them & there are many scholars.

> >

> > I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing

> board.

> >

> > Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it will

> ever

> > lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be

removed

> in

> > this list

> >

> > As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can

ever

> > master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

> Technique

> >

> > a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

> failed in

> > their predictions EVER and both have their own share of failures

> which

> > doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget

sometimes

> the

> > failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

> >

> > b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written on

a

> dasa

> > or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic

or

> text

> > would contain contradictory information and if u have read texts

> then u

> > would know on many things they didn't agree among each others

views

> >

> > c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book

one

> may

> > find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to

> repeat,

> > those who wish can refer to his books

> >

> > d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have

realised

> > which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses

to

> > predict might not be always the same.

> >

> > No one is against learning/using various

> > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

give

> > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> >

> >

> > f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post

20

> charts

> > of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of

> them &

> > then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> > predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

> Similarly

> > I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

> >

> > I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the top

> Gurus

> > and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who

want

> to

> > consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers

actually

> > fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > > I wrote -

> > > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> Parashara.

> > > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> > > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi

is

> one

> > > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope

things

> are

> > > clear now.

> > >

> > > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > > understanding of the subject.

> > > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one dasha

and

> > > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

> properly

> > > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

> various

> > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

give

> > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

> understand

> > > first

> > > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus

ur

> > > reply on

> > > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

> profound

> > > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > > >

> > > > U wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > >

> > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as

defined

> > > by sage

> > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> > > varga -

> > > > so I do not understand.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I

had

> done

> > > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I

> await

> > > ur

> > > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if

there

> is

> > > a

> > > > english term like that).

> > > >

> > > > U wrote

> > > >

> > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

value

> in

> > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > the

> > > > > choice is ours.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> > > coming

> > > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > > astrologers is

> > > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding

things

> but

> > > when

> > > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > > astrologers

> > > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as

show

> > > off.

> > > >

> > > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer

or a

> > > Guru or

> > > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE

WHOLE

> OF

> > > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning &

hence

> my

> > > Guru

> > > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas and

> shown

> > > me

> > > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara or

> Nadi

> > > IN A

> > > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind following

> > > since I

> > > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so

many

> > > DASAS

> > > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and

predict

> > > but if

> > > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since

the

> > > nectar

> > > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for

me.

> > > >

> > > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get

> scared

> > > and

> > > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao and

> many

> > > others

> > > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to face

> > > this,

> > > > this would not have happened if people understood the first 2

> > > chapters

> > > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga

> given in

> > > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

> Rashis.They

> > > are

> > > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one

bhava

> > > (Sun

> > > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific

parts

> > > within

> > > > > an organ.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence

> (over

> > > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given by

> > > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > > > conclusions.

> > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

value

> in

> > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > the

> > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > >

> > > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

> running

> > > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not

> clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a

very

> > > tough

> > > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as

defined by

> > > sage

> > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> > > varga -

> > > > > so I do

> > > > > > not understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to

> explain

> > > > > this but

> > > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u

undertsand

> it

> > > > > better. I

> > > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still

> stuck

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on

predictive

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2 chapters

&

> also

> > > > > last one

> > > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what it

> > > seems.

> > > > > He said

> > > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

> written in

> > > > > those

> > > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50

yrs

> > > meeting

> > > > > rare

> > > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where it

> > > doesn't

> > > > > exist

> > > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he

could

> be

> > > > > right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > > absolutely

> > > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined

by

> sage

> > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> chakra

> > > is

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got it

> right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen

Divisions

> of

> > > a

> > > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

> described 16

> > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those.

The

> > > same are

> > > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as correct

> then

> > > Rasi

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is sign

or

> > > house

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers have

> been

> > > > > disputed

> > > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

> above. My

> > > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work whether

> there

> > > is

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or not,

if

> it

> > > > > works its

> > > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i wouldn't

> waste

> > > 2

> > > > > yrs

> > > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

> people i

> > > have

> > > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at

it &

> > > others

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

> astrologer

> > > P M

> > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers

in

> US,

> > > Padia

> > > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not

know if

> > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and by

> which

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

> astrologer &

> > > not

> > > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to

make

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into

debates

> on

> > > > > this or

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on

> lists

> > > in

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

> clanism &

> > > self

> > > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000

watch

> > > the

> > > > > drama &

> > > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> > > sweetness

> > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These

lists

> > > are

> > > > > now

> > > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

> careers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use

subtle

> yet

> > > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their

blind

> > > > > followers &

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their

> animal

> > > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek when

> > > insulted

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights -

> maybe

> > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Sunil Hooda

 

I am pretty sure that i am the odd man out here.Because the defintion

about vargas have been misinterpreted and got institutionalised in a

different way.If you undersatand the meaning of the word

institutionalised - you will get it all.Any new student

(contemporary) comes across vargas in the institutionalised way

(internet as well as new books).

 

But traditionlly and even for the translator of BPHS,i am not the odd

man out.I know the difficulty with the tsk undertaken.

 

My job is not to make anyone come to my view.My jop is to make any

sincere seeker to look back at the basics and conclude TRUTH rather

than accepting something based on majority opinion or

institutionalisation.Majority has meaning only in politics.Even in

Politics eventually majority will have no meaning - Thats why

Yudhistira opted for Krishna while Kauravas,Yadava sena.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda

wrote:

>

> bhaskar ji, Thanks for intervening. This discussion is not going

> anywhere, pradeep and sunil, you are both intelligent enough to

> realize this, snap out of it guys !

>

> Suneel

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

> >

> > Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

> > Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

> > for long please.

> > The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The Navamsha

> is

> > the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on

> which

> > fruits are, is my opinion.

> > Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of

others

> so

> > that a common result if receievd from these various approaches

> would

> > be more near the truth.

> > Mastery does not imply perfection.

> > It only means knowing one approach better than others.

> >

> > Anyway why discuss all this /

> > there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

> > waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

> > them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

> > also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and keeping

> them

> > lubricated by continous use.

> > Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make

> sense

> > unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

> >

> > Lets not fight.

> >

> > Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should also

> cool

> > down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as possible,

> > otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

> >

> > I request you both to stop this war and get down to something

> useful.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Hi Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it understand

> it

> > beyond

> > > it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u have

> been

> > > indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur

> point I

> > am

> > > not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath

> understood

> > also

> > > and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u had

> > > discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or

> end

> > with

> > > them & there are many scholars.

> > >

> > > I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to drawing

> > board.

> > >

> > > Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it

will

> > ever

> > > lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be

> removed

> > in

> > > this list

> > >

> > > As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can

> ever

> > > master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

> > Technique

> > >

> > > a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

> > failed in

> > > their predictions EVER and both have their own share of

failures

> > which

> > > doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget

> sometimes

> > the

> > > failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

> > >

> > > b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written

on

> a

> > dasa

> > > or a technique which would have been clear and no other classic

> or

> > text

> > > would contain contradictory information and if u have read

texts

> > then u

> > > would know on many things they didn't agree among each others

> views

> > >

> > > c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book

> one

> > may

> > > find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used to

> > repeat,

> > > those who wish can refer to his books

> > >

> > > d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have

> realised

> > > which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he uses

> to

> > > predict might not be always the same.

> > >

> > > No one is against learning/using various

> > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

> give

> > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> > >

> > >

> > > f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me post

> 20

> > charts

> > > of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period of

> > them &

> > > then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> > > predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

> > Similarly

> > > I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

> > >

> > > I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the

top

> > Gurus

> > > and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who

> want

> > to

> > > consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers

> actually

> > > fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > I wrote -

> > > > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > Parashara.

> > > > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I never

> > > > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.(Rashi

> is

> > one

> > > > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope

> things

> > are

> > > > clear now.

> > > >

> > > > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > > > understanding of the subject.

> > > > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > > > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > > > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one

dasha

> and

> > > > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > > > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

> > properly

> > > > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

> > various

> > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-out ,will

> give

> > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem magic.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

> > understand

> > > > first

> > > > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro focus

> ur

> > > > reply on

> > > > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

> > profound

> > > > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> > chakra

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

it

> > right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as

> defined

> > > > by sage

> > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is NOT a

> > > > varga -

> > > > > so I do not understand.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I

> had

> > done

> > > > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u. I

> > await

> > > > ur

> > > > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if

> there

> > is

> > > > a

> > > > > english term like that).

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

> value

> > in

> > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > the

> > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u are

> > > > coming

> > > > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > > > astrologers is

> > > > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding

> things

> > but

> > > > when

> > > > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it as

> show

> > > > off.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an astrologer

> or a

> > > > Guru or

> > > > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE

> WHOLE

> > OF

> > > > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning &

> hence

> > my

> > > > Guru

> > > > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas

and

> > shown

> > > > me

> > > > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara

or

> > Nadi

> > > > IN A

> > > > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind

following

> > > > since I

> > > > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through so

> many

> > > > DASAS

> > > > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and

> predict

> > > > but if

> > > > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn since

> the

> > > > nectar

> > > > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now for

> me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era get

> > scared

> > > > and

> > > > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao

and

> > many

> > > > others

> > > > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to

face

> > > > this,

> > > > > this would not have happened if people understood the first

2

> > > > chapters

> > > > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of Varga

> > given in

> > > > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

> > Rashis.They

> > > > are

> > > > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as one

> bhava

> > > > (Sun

> > > > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific

> parts

> > > > within

> > > > > > an organ.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra'' intelligence

> > (over

> > > > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def given

by

> > > > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No fast

> > > > > > conclusions.

> > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

> value

> > in

> > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > the

> > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

> > running

> > > > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is not

> > clear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow a

> very

> > > > tough

> > > > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U wrote

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> > chakra

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

it

> > right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as

> defined by

> > > > sage

> > > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra as a

> > > > varga -

> > > > > > so I do

> > > > > > > not understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying to

> > explain

> > > > > > this but

> > > > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u

> undertsand

> > it

> > > > > > better. I

> > > > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am still

> > stuck

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on

> predictive

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2

chapters

> &

> > also

> > > > > > last one

> > > > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not what

it

> > > > seems.

> > > > > > He said

> > > > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

> > written in

> > > > > > those

> > > > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-50

> yrs

> > > > meeting

> > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish where

it

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > exist

> > > > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he

> could

> > be

> > > > > > right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > > > absolutely

> > > > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined

> by

> > sage

> > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a varga.Rashi

> > chakra

> > > > is

> > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

it

> > right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen

> Divisions

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

> > described 16

> > > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to those.

> The

> > > > same are

> > > > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa, navamsa,

> > > > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as

correct

> > then

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is

sign

> or

> > > > house

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers

have

> > been

> > > > > > disputed

> > > > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

> > above. My

> > > > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work

whether

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or

not,

> if

> > it

> > > > > > works its

> > > > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i

wouldn't

> > waste

> > > > 2

> > > > > > yrs

> > > > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

> > people i

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good at

> it &

> > > > others

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

> > astrologer

> > > > P M

> > > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost astrologers

> in

> > US,

> > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not

> know if

> > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and

by

> > which

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

> > astrologer &

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised to

> make

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into

> debates

> > on

> > > > > > this or

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past on

> > lists

> > > > in

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

> > clanism &

> > > > self

> > > > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write & 1000

> watch

> > > > the

> > > > > > drama &

> > > > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with such

> > > > sweetness

> > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created . These

> lists

> > > > are

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

> > careers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use

> subtle

> > yet

> > > > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their

> blind

> > > > > > followers &

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing their

> > animal

> > > > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek

when

> > > > insulted

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of fights -

> > maybe

> > > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Pradeepji,

 

No Sir You are not the odd man out.

Even You and me and many others would have chosen Krishna(Truth)

only. That is why we look for the basics first.

Half of the work in astrology is mastered if one goes through a

good reading of Mansagri,Phaldeepika,Jatak Parijat and BPHS.

If one studies how each planet would act in any sign, and

how it would react with another planet, the Quadruplicities,

Triplicities and other basic characteristics of Signs and planets,

much is already accomplished. Though this may sound very kid stuff

or school study I maybe speaking about, but I am yet to master these.

Plus if one also learns how each planet would react in each Nakshatra

and Pada, most of the astrology part is over. Then comes the

Navamsha readings, Shodashvarga, transits ashtakcarga etc.

Also basic study about Jamini. I am still studying, maybe would

be doing this till eternity.

 

The majority maybe be talking about only complex and complicated

techniques which are new and sound very jazzy and sophisticated,

and also may make one look very educated and Masterin astrology, but

at least I am not one among these. I still love the basics and simple

approached to tackling any chart. So you may count me also

as the odd man out.

 

Thanks for open views.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear shri Sunil Hooda

>

> I am pretty sure that i am the odd man out here.Because the

defintion

> about vargas have been misinterpreted and got institutionalised in

a

> different way.If you undersatand the meaning of the word

> institutionalised - you will get it all.Any new student

> (contemporary) comes across vargas in the institutionalised way

> (internet as well as new books).

>

> But traditionlly and even for the translator of BPHS,i am not the

odd

> man out.I know the difficulty with the tsk undertaken.

>

> My job is not to make anyone come to my view.My jop is to make any

> sincere seeker to look back at the basics and conclude TRUTH rather

> than accepting something based on majority opinion or

> institutionalisation.Majority has meaning only in politics.Even in

> Politics eventually majority will have no meaning - Thats why

> Yudhistira opted for Krishna while Kauravas,Yadava sena.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda@>

> wrote:

> >

> > bhaskar ji, Thanks for intervening. This discussion is not going

> > anywhere, pradeep and sunil, you are both intelligent enough to

> > realize this, snap out of it guys !

> >

> > Suneel

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

> > >

> > > Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

> > > Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

> > > for long please.

> > > The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The

Navamsha

> > is

> > > the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on

> > which

> > > fruits are, is my opinion.

> > > Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of

> others

> > so

> > > that a common result if receievd from these various approaches

> > would

> > > be more near the truth.

> > > Mastery does not imply perfection.

> > > It only means knowing one approach better than others.

> > >

> > > Anyway why discuss all this /

> > > there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

> > > waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

> > > them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

> > > also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and keeping

> > them

> > > lubricated by continous use.

> > > Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make

> > sense

> > > unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

> > >

> > > Lets not fight.

> > >

> > > Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should also

> > cool

> > > down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as possible,

> > > otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

> > >

> > > I request you both to stop this war and get down to something

> > useful.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it

understand

> > it

> > > beyond

> > > > it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u

have

> > been

> > > > indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur

> > point I

> > > am

> > > > not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath

> > understood

> > > also

> > > > and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure u

had

> > > > discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start or

> > end

> > > with

> > > > them & there are many scholars.

> > > >

> > > > I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to

drawing

> > > board.

> > > >

> > > > Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it

> will

> > > ever

> > > > lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be

> > removed

> > > in

> > > > this list

> > > >

> > > > As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel can

> > ever

> > > > master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even one

> > > Technique

> > > >

> > > > a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have ever

> > > failed in

> > > > their predictions EVER and both have their own share of

> failures

> > > which

> > > > doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget

> > sometimes

> > > the

> > > > failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

> > > >

> > > > b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been written

> on

> > a

> > > dasa

> > > > or a technique which would have been clear and no other

classic

> > or

> > > text

> > > > would contain contradictory information and if u have read

> texts

> > > then u

> > > > would know on many things they didn't agree among each others

> > views

> > > >

> > > > c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa book

> > one

> > > may

> > > > find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often used

to

> > > repeat,

> > > > those who wish can refer to his books

> > > >

> > > > d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have

> > realised

> > > > which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he

uses

> > to

> > > > predict might not be always the same.

> > > >

> > > > No one is against learning/using various

> > > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-

out ,will

> > give

> > > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem

magic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me

post

> > 20

> > > charts

> > > > of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month period

of

> > > them &

> > > > then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is always

> > > > predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good prediction.

> > > Similarly

> > > > I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

> > > >

> > > > I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all the

> top

> > > Gurus

> > > > and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people who

> > want

> > > to

> > > > consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers

> > actually

> > > > fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > I wrote -

> > > > > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > Parashara.

> > > > > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I

never

> > > > > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.

(Rashi

> > is

> > > one

> > > > > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope

> > things

> > > are

> > > > > clear now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous predictions,his

> > > > > understanding of the subject.

> > > > > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run before

> > > > > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > > > > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one

> dasha

> > and

> > > > > understand the system,over a number of years,before going to

> > > > > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara before

> > > properly

> > > > > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against learning/using

> > > various

> > > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-

out ,will

> > give

> > > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem

magic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

> > > understand

> > > > > first

> > > > > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro

focus

> > ur

> > > > > reply on

> > > > > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote a

> > > profound

> > > > > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

varga.Rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

> it

> > > right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA as

> > defined

> > > > > by sage

> > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is

NOT a

> > > > > varga -

> > > > > > so I do not understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise I

> > had

> > > done

> > > > > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to u.

I

> > > await

> > > > > ur

> > > > > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence (if

> > there

> > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > english term like that).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

> > value

> > > in

> > > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where u

are

> > > > > coming

> > > > > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > > > > astrologers is

> > > > > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding

> > things

> > > but

> > > > > when

> > > > > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it

as

> > show

> > > > > off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an

astrologer

> > or a

> > > > > Guru or

> > > > > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS THE

> > WHOLE

> > > OF

> > > > > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning &

> > hence

> > > my

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique shlokas

> and

> > > shown

> > > > > me

> > > > > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or Parasara

> or

> > > Nadi

> > > > > IN A

> > > > > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind

> following

> > > > > since I

> > > > > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event through

so

> > many

> > > > > DASAS

> > > > > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and

> > predict

> > > > > but if

> > > > > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn

since

> > the

> > > > > nectar

> > > > > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now

for

> > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era

get

> > > scared

> > > > > and

> > > > > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath & KNRao

> and

> > > many

> > > > > others

> > > > > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had to

> face

> > > > > this,

> > > > > > this would not have happened if people understood the

first

> 2

> > > > > chapters

> > > > > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of

Varga

> > > given in

> > > > > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

> > > Rashis.They

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as

one

> > bhava

> > > > > (Sun

> > > > > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as specific

> > parts

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > an organ.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra''

intelligence

> > > (over

> > > > > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def

given

> by

> > > > > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical examples.Have

> > > > > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No

fast

> > > > > > > conclusions.

> > > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will give

> > value

> > > in

> > > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested in

> > > running

> > > > > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the best.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is

not

> > > clear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is somehow

a

> > very

> > > > > tough

> > > > > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U

wrote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

varga.Rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

> it

> > > right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as

> > defined by

> > > > > sage

> > > > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra

as a

> > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > so I do

> > > > > > > > not understand.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying

to

> > > explain

> > > > > > > this but

> > > > > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u

> > undertsand

> > > it

> > > > > > > better. I

> > > > > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am

still

> > > stuck

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on

> > predictive

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2

> chapters

> > &

> > > also

> > > > > > > last one

> > > > > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not

what

> it

> > > > > seems.

> > > > > > > He said

> > > > > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara has

> > > written in

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-

50

> > yrs

> > > > > meeting

> > > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish

where

> it

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > exist

> > > > > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science - he

> > could

> > > be

> > > > > > > right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You are

> > > > > absolutely

> > > > > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as

defined

> > by

> > > sage

> > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

varga.Rashi

> > > chakra

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have got

> it

> > > right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen

> > Divisions

> > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

> > > described 16

> > > > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to

those.

> > The

> > > > > same are

> > > > > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa,

navamsa,

> > > > > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as

> correct

> > > then

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is

> sign

> > or

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > disputed

> > > > > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated the

> > > above. My

> > > > > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work

> whether

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or

> not,

> > if

> > > it

> > > > > > > works its

> > > > > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i

> wouldn't

> > > waste

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > > yrs

> > > > > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds of

> > > people i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good

at

> > it &

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

> > > astrologer

> > > > > P M

> > > > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost

astrologers

> > in

> > > US,

> > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do not

> > know if

> > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works and

> by

> > > which

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

> > > astrologer &

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised

to

> > make

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into

> > debates

> > > on

> > > > > > > this or

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the past

on

> > > lists

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism &

> > > clanism &

> > > > > self

> > > > > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write &

1000

> > watch

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > drama &

> > > > > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with

such

> > > > > sweetness

> > > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created .

These

> > lists

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join military

> > > careers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who use

> > subtle

> > > yet

> > > > > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by their

> > blind

> > > > > > > followers &

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing

their

> > > animal

> > > > > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other cheek

> when

> > > > > insulted

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of

fights -

> > > maybe

> > > > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

I had mentioned your name wrongly .

 

Pradeep

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Pradeepji,

>

> No Sir You are not the odd man out.

> Even You and me and many others would have chosen Krishna(Truth)

> only. That is why we look for the basics first.

> Half of the work in astrology is mastered if one goes through a

> good reading of Mansagri,Phaldeepika,Jatak Parijat and BPHS.

> If one studies how each planet would act in any sign, and

> how it would react with another planet, the Quadruplicities,

> Triplicities and other basic characteristics of Signs and planets,

> much is already accomplished. Though this may sound very kid stuff

> or school study I maybe speaking about, but I am yet to master

these.

> Plus if one also learns how each planet would react in each

Nakshatra

> and Pada, most of the astrology part is over. Then comes the

> Navamsha readings, Shodashvarga, transits ashtakcarga etc.

> Also basic study about Jamini. I am still studying, maybe would

> be doing this till eternity.

>

> The majority maybe be talking about only complex and complicated

> techniques which are new and sound very jazzy and sophisticated,

> and also may make one look very educated and Masterin astrology,

but

> at least I am not one among these. I still love the basics and

simple

> approached to tackling any chart. So you may count me also

> as the odd man out.

>

> Thanks for open views.

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear shri Sunil Hooda

> >

> > I am pretty sure that i am the odd man out here.Because the

> defintion

> > about vargas have been misinterpreted and got institutionalised

in

> a

> > different way.If you undersatand the meaning of the word

> > institutionalised - you will get it all.Any new student

> > (contemporary) comes across vargas in the institutionalised way

> > (internet as well as new books).

> >

> > But traditionlly and even for the translator of BPHS,i am not the

> odd

> > man out.I know the difficulty with the tsk undertaken.

> >

> > My job is not to make anyone come to my view.My jop is to make

any

> > sincere seeker to look back at the basics and conclude TRUTH

rather

> > than accepting something based on majority opinion or

> > institutionalisation.Majority has meaning only in politics.Even

in

> > Politics eventually majority will have no meaning - Thats why

> > Yudhistira opted for Krishna while Kauravas,Yadava sena.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > bhaskar ji, Thanks for intervening. This discussion is not

going

> > > anywhere, pradeep and sunil, you are both intelligent enough to

> > > realize this, snap out of it guys !

> > >

> > > Suneel

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji and Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Forget it please. This is going to lead us nowhere.

> > > > Let all of you remain like brothers and let no fight continue

> > > > for long please.

> > > > The Rashi Chart is not a Varga chart. Its the Tree, The

> Navamsha

> > > is

> > > > the Fruits, and the Shodashvarag is the different branches on

> > > which

> > > > fruits are, is my opinion.

> > > > Its good to master one technique and also have knowledge of

> > others

> > > so

> > > > that a common result if receievd from these various

approaches

> > > would

> > > > be more near the truth.

> > > > Mastery does not imply perfection.

> > > > It only means knowing one approach better than others.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway why discuss all this /

> > > > there are so many natives with help enquiries on other Forums

> > > > waiting to be replied. Why not waste energies there and reply

> > > > them.That would be collecting blessings on the way. And

> > > > also upgrading ones skills and polishing the tools and

keeping

> > > them

> > > > lubricated by continous use.

> > > > Searching for newer things all the times is not going to make

> > > sense

> > > > unless we have digested the food we have already eaten.

> > > >

> > > > Lets not fight.

> > > >

> > > > Astrologers are human, They too get angry. But they should

also

> > > cool

> > > > down early, and also forgive the opponent as early as

possible,

> > > > otherwise whats the meaning of entering this line ? Is there ?

> > > >

> > > > I request you both to stop this war and get down to something

> > > useful.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I quoted what BPHS says, if u want to understand it

> understand

> > > it

> > > > beyond

> > > > > it is endless discussion and I know this same discussion u

> have

> > > been

> > > > > indulging in for 2-3 yrs, I cannot make u understand and ur

> > > point I

> > > > am

> > > > > not able to understand I wonder if KNRao or Sanjay Rath

> > > understood

> > > > also

> > > > > and agreed with u, if so kindly quote them which I am sure

u

> had

> > > > > discussion with them. But ofcourse astrology doesn't start

or

> > > end

> > > > with

> > > > > them & there are many scholars.

> > > > >

> > > > > I follow what works and if it doesn't work I go back to

> drawing

> > > > board.

> > > > >

> > > > > Going by the history of your arguments I do not think so it

> > will

> > > > ever

> > > > > lead anywhere and even after 30 yrs this same topic will be

> > > removed

> > > > in

> > > > > this list

> > > > >

> > > > > As for ur 2nd part of mail re KNRao, no astrologer I feel

can

> > > ever

> > > > > master even ONE dasa COMPLETELY in his lifetime and even

one

> > > > Technique

> > > > >

> > > > > a) Since if it was so KNRao or Sanjay Rath wouldn't have

ever

> > > > failed in

> > > > > their predictions EVER and both have their own share of

> > failures

> > > > which

> > > > > doesn't undermine their contribution. Let us not forget

> > > sometimes

> > > > the

> > > > > failures of astrologers cost their consultors very DEARLY.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) If it was so then only one Classic would have been

written

> > on

> > > a

> > > > dasa

> > > > > or a technique which would have been clear and no other

> classic

> > > or

> > > > text

> > > > > would contain contradictory information and if u have read

> > texts

> > > > then u

> > > > > would know on many things they didn't agree among each

others

> > > views

> > > > >

> > > > > c) Maybe if one reads his books & if i remember Vim dasa

book

> > > one

> > > > may

> > > > > find some other quote of his, which Praveen Kumar often

used

> to

> > > > repeat,

> > > > > those who wish can refer to his books

> > > > >

> > > > > d) If u had real quality interaction with KNR u would have

> > > realised

> > > > > which dasa he uses to explain charts in books and which he

> uses

> > > to

> > > > > predict might not be always the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > No one is against learning/using various

> > > > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-

> out ,will

> > > give

> > > > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem

> magic.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > f) Ofcourse the above is commonsense & elementary, let me

> post

> > > 20

> > > > charts

> > > > > of people & predict marriage date or month or 3 month

period

> of

> > > > them &

> > > > > then let us taste the predictive satisfaction. There is

always

> > > > > predictive satisfaction even while hearing a good

prediction.

> > > > Similarly

> > > > > I shall post 20 charts of people for job gain

> > > > >

> > > > > I always wanted to do this as a Yearly Barometer for all

the

> > top

> > > > Gurus

> > > > > and Top Astrologers n keep it on a website so that people

who

> > > want

> > > > to

> > > > > consult can know how our top astrologers & big time talkers

> > > actually

> > > > > fare n decide to consult or learn from them.

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > I wrote -

> > > > > > ''Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by sage

> > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > Unfortunately people take rashi chakra as a varga'' - I

> never

> > > > > > mentioned ''rashi chakra'' as a varga ?Please show me.

> (Rashi

> > > is

> > > > one

> > > > > > sign,spanning 30 degrees- as mentioned in 2nd mail).Hope

> > > things

> > > > are

> > > > > > clear now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao has proved through his numerous

predictions,his

> > > > > > understanding of the subject.

> > > > > > Learning how to walk before we run and, on how to run

before

> > > > > > deciding - marathon/heets/hurdles,is what i have meant.

> > > > > > Shri K.N.Raoji himself has given me this advise -Use one

> > dasha

> > > and

> > > > > > understand the system,over a number of years,before going

to

> > > > > > another.He even said not to worry about pratyantara

before

> > > > properly

> > > > > > understanding dasha-antara.No one is against

learning/using

> > > > various

> > > > > > techniques - but knowing at least one system inside-

> out ,will

> > > give

> > > > > > us predictive satisafaction as compared to post-mortem

> magic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Before I try to understand ur 2nd mail I would like to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > mail on which query i had asked. Could u kindly micro

> focus

> > > ur

> > > > > > reply on

> > > > > > > what I replied below (past below) since I feel u wrote

a

> > > > profound

> > > > > > > statement like a Sage words having great meaning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U wrote

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by

sage

> > > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

> varga.Rashi

> > > > chakra

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have

got

> > it

> > > > right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi chakra IS 1st VARGA

as

> > > defined

> > > > > > by sage

> > > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra is

> NOT a

> > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > so I do not understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above was previous mail pls kindly reply, I realise

I

> > > had

> > > > done

> > > > > > > grammatical error by not adding the NOT in my reply to

u.

> I

> > > > await

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > reply since I feel that it could be a Sagaic sentence

(if

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > english term like that).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U wrote

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will

give

> > > value

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > > > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: Show off is a perception, it depends on where

u

> are

> > > > > > coming

> > > > > > > from, the gap between parampara traditionalists & city

> > > > > > astrologers is

> > > > > > > so huge that parampara has often been accused of hiding

> > > things

> > > > but

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > parampara decides to be kind in order to reveal the city

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > jealous of losing their thrones get scared and blame it

> as

> > > show

> > > > > > off.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a different view, I do not want to be an

> astrologer

> > > or a

> > > > > > Guru or

> > > > > > > a scholar, I just want to drink the NECTAR of WHAT IS

THE

> > > WHOLE

> > > > OF

> > > > > > > ASTROLOGY as much as possible, I am in love of learning

&

> > > hence

> > > > my

> > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > Patel attracts me since he has digged out unique

shlokas

> > and

> > > > shown

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > light, there is no difference between Jaimini or

Parasara

> > or

> > > > Nadi

> > > > > > IN A

> > > > > > > WAY, I hate no system or no Guru or do not do blind

> > following

> > > > > > since I

> > > > > > > feel our SAGES were NOT IDIOTS to see same event

through

> so

> > > many

> > > > > > DASAS

> > > > > > > or systems, ofcourse one can follow just one system and

> > > predict

> > > > > > but if

> > > > > > > the intension is to predict, my intention is to learn

> since

> > > the

> > > > > > nectar

> > > > > > > of learning is far beautiful than prediction as of now

> for

> > > me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also understand that most astrologers of current era

> get

> > > > scared

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > jealous when rare methods are given, Sanjay Rath &

KNRao

> > and

> > > > many

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > like Seshadiri Iyer, Meena, Iranganti Rangacharya had

to

> > face

> > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > this would not have happened if people understood the

> first

> > 2

> > > > > > chapters

> > > > > > > of Parasara & the last one I am told.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is very simple.Please look at the definition of

> Varga

> > > > given in

> > > > > > > > your mail -''Lord Brahma has described 16 kinds of

> > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN''.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rashi chakra is not just one sign - but a set of 12

> > > > Rashis.They

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not just 12 isolated rashis but a complete system like

> > > > > > > > Kalapurusha/Human body.Rashi is one organ as well as

> one

> > > bhava

> > > > > > (Sun

> > > > > > > > Moon/Physical conjunction deciding span of a rashi in

> > > > > > > > space/time).Vargas explain the finer principles like

> > > > > > > > prana/indriya/longitudinal section as well as

specific

> > > parts

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > an organ.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am completely with you - apllying ''extra''

> intelligence

> > > > (over

> > > > > > > > smarting sages) will create chaos.Simple rules/Def

> given

> > by

> > > > > > > > sage.Construct charts and study classical

examples.Have

> > > > > > > > consistency,Master one system in full(any system).No

> fast

> > > > > > > > conclusions.

> > > > > > > > Projecting and showing off (many techniques) will

give

> > > value

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > front of others(and market), but not Self

> > > > satisfaction.Ofcourse

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > choice is ours.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I guess you are a sincere student and not interested

in

> > > > running

> > > > > > > > behind principles before mastering basics.All the

best.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if this mail is

> not

> > > > clear.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your Sahapaaddhi

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wonder if I understood ur point. English is

somehow

> a

> > > very

> > > > > > tough

> > > > > > > > > language for me as I have repeated before also. U

> wrote

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as defined by

sage

> > > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

> varga.Rashi

> > > > chakra

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have

got

> > it

> > > > right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]: In first line u say Rasi is 1st VARGA as

> > > defined by

> > > > > > sage

> > > > > > > > > parashara & then in next sentence u say rasi chakra

> as a

> > > > > > varga -

> > > > > > > > so I do

> > > > > > > > > not understand.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I vaguely remember since 2-3 yrs u have been trying

> to

> > > > explain

> > > > > > > > this but

> > > > > > > > > its somehow been complex to understand I guess u

> > > undertsand

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > better. I

> > > > > > > > > wonder if I am yet ready to understand this, I am

> still

> > > > stuck

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first 2 chapters of BPHS where hardly any info on

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > is present but one of mentors says that these 2

> > chapters

> > > &

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > last one

> > > > > > > > > contain the biggest secrets of astrology & is not

> what

> > it

> > > > > > seems.

> > > > > > > > He said

> > > > > > > > > 99% of astrologers do not practice what Parasara

has

> > > > written in

> > > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > chapters. Ofcourse his advantage is he has spent 40-

> 50

> > > yrs

> > > > > > meeting

> > > > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > astrologers & yogis whereas I haven't.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He says unneccessarily intellectualising Jyotish

> where

> > it

> > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > exist

> > > > > > > > > is detrimental for ones progress in this science -

he

> > > could

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am glad that you have understood my point.You

are

> > > > > > absolutely

> > > > > > > > > > right.Rasi or Kshethra is the first varga as

> defined

> > > by

> > > > sage

> > > > > > > > > > Parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately people tke rahi chakra as a

> varga.Rashi

> > > > chakra

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > varga.Please correct them next time as you have

got

> > it

> > > > right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Page 68 of BPHS Chapter 6 titled 'The Sixteen

> > > Divisions

> > > > of

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Sign'

> > > > > > > > > > > Shloka 2,3,4 says

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2-4 - Names of the 16 Vargas - Lord Brahma has

> > > > described 16

> > > > > > > > kinds of

> > > > > > > > > > > vargas (divisions) for EACH SIGN. Listen to

> those.

> > > The

> > > > > > same are

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > > hora, Drekkana, Chathurthamsa, Sapthamamsa,

> navamsa,

> > > > > > > > > > Dasasamsa ........

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The above is verbatim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [self]: If we take Santhanams translation as

> > correct

> > > > then

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > Varga, one among the 16.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse one can have endless debate on Rasi is

> > sign

> > > or

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > what ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse Santhanams sanskrit translation powers

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > disputed

> > > > > > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > > > > am no one to comment if he wrongly translated

the

> > > > above. My

> > > > > > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > > > > is divisional transits works or doesn't work

> > whether

> > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi which I earlier quoted or

> > not,

> > > if

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > works its

> > > > > > > > > > > fine if it doesn't then also its fine but i

> > wouldn't

> > > > waste

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > yrs

> > > > > > > > > > > discussing it on lists since there are 2 kinds

of

> > > > people i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > learnt,

> > > > > > > > > > > one who eternally discuss & debate who are good

> at

> > > it &

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > if it works or not. I tend to follow the great

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > P M

> > > > > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Guru of James Braha one of the topmost

> astrologers

> > > in

> > > > US,

> > > > > > Padia

> > > > > > > > > > saheb

> > > > > > > > > > > says in his gujurati accent 'Sunil bhai I do

not

> > > know if

> > > > > > > > Parasara

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > it or not, but i will teach u only what works

and

> > by

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > correct predictions, that is the dharma of an

> > > > astrologer &

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > > > > debate with jugglery of words, half truths etc'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope his book comes out soon, he has promised

> to

> > > make

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > simpler.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not have time or inclination to enter into

> > > debates

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > this or

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > post, i have wasted enough man hours in the

past

> on

> > > > lists

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > pursuits, list today have only become groupism

&

> > > > clanism &

> > > > > > self

> > > > > > > > > > > gratification platforms where only 10 write &

> 1000

> > > watch

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > drama &

> > > > > > > > > > > these 10 continue to pat each others back with

> such

> > > > > > sweetness

> > > > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > > > > they are the best human beings god created .

> These

> > > lists

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > crucification platforms, better to join

military

> > > > careers.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The worst part is these Captain Zattacks who

use

> > > subtle

> > > > yet

> > > > > > > > > > sarcastic

> > > > > > > > > > > tones are often called compassionate men by

their

> > > blind

> > > > > > > > followers &

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > dogs they will eat flesh of opponents showing

> their

> > > > animal

> > > > > > > > > > instincts. A

> > > > > > > > > > > true compassionate person offers his other

cheek

> > when

> > > > > > insulted

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > attacked & not engage in endless series of

> fights -

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > > > > that I do not know history.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai

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