Divisional Transits - ancient reference/Vijayadas

December 6, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Vijayadas,

Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level best

to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro Data

Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists etc &

not Vivekandas according to me.

U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur views

Regards

SJ

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not, two

> Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question below -

> from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

>

> 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then it

> aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other divisional

> charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the suggestion

> Vijaydas ji.??''.

>

> 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi in

> rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow how

> can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here Sunil?.

>

> Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is assumption

> of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as many.

>

> What is happening in reality? -

>

> 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called Tula.2)Saturn is

> Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha chakra''

> will arise.

>

> This Rashi can become different reference points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having amsha(Karakamsha)

> etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these reference

> points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have quoted

> from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his view

> point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate charts).

>

> His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to rashi

> chakra !!!.

> Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the very

> fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can correct

> me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > Thanks for ur mail

> >

> > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that article,

> > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> >

> > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also

> comes out

> > it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

> >

> > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between someone

> > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel Saheb

> has

> > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> Devakerelam

> > where divisional transits are quoted.

> >

> > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology unless

> > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology

> we have

> > today are preserved.

> >

> > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to be

> > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list & I

> > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > Divisional Transits

> > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse 3124

> > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> >

> > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> represented

> > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the sign

> > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from

> enemies,

> > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> >

> > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from

> Secret

> > Blemish

> >

> > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi,

> > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will

> have

> > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga

> results.

> >

> > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi

> >

> > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

> > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> >

> > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage

> Matters

> > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with

> Marriage.

> >

> > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list has

> once

> > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

> >

> > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL,

> person

> > > > changed residence for job.

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

> > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10

> must

> > support job related changes.

> > >

> > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if

> possible

> > n

> > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand

> kakshya

> > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long

> back. On

> > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > >

> > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine

> can be

> > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in

> handy

> > pls

> > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of

> my

> > > > library that it is now.

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> mechanism

> > from my library)

> > >

> > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the

> Moon

> > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see

> below)

> > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of

> > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign

> gives the

> > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as

> > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10;

> Venus

> > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > >

> > > The general principle may be further modified by taking into

> account

> > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both

> these are

> > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> directly, but

> > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be

> > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is

> > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is

> > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus

> as

> > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse

> direction

> > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if

> the

> > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and

> in the

> > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If

> the

> > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is

> counted

> > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even,

> the

> > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse

> > direction.

> > >

> > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might

> know

> > that,

> > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me,

> later

> > I

> > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> demonstrated

> > it in

> > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some

> would

> > say

> > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and

> it

> > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen

> this

> > in use.

> > >

> > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his

> > books,

> > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome

> in

> > real

> > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has

> > explained this in his book.

> > >

> > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must

> master (I

> > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> beautifully &

> > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

> > spectacular

> > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too

> but

> > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits

> together,

> > i

> > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional

> in his

> > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't

> budge

> > an

> > > > inch.

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> Keralam -

> > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> astrologers. and

> > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > >

> > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> family.

> > When he

> > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of

> best

> > nadi

> > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

> > computer

> > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I

> would

> > be

> > > > most interested to see it.

> > >

> > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to

> travel

> > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> spoken to

> > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> Varanasi for

> > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken

> over by

> > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as

> well.

> > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> shifting to

> > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book /

> data - I

> > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with

> his

> > family.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> care.

> > >

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > > > , Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > >>

> > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many

> of

> > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > > > Government).

> > > >>

> > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

> > software

> > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon /

> lagna

> > (i.e.

> > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct

> > method.

> > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu

> > Lagna's

> > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

> > materialistic

> > > > gains.

> > > >>

> > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent

> > results

> > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> principles).

> > Sun's

> > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as

> favourable

> > > > career period.

> > > >>

> > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> effective

> > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the

> family.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>

> > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much

> you

> > care.

> > > >>

> > > >> ************************************************

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

> > Lagna/Suneel

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> prefer it

> > at

> > > >>> all).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> Avayogi &

> > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> then

> > > > its

> > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > Santhanam

> > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> > would

> > > > make

> > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > > > wouldn't

> > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> would

> > like

> > > > to

> > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> its

> > not

> > > > easy

> > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > statistically

> > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

> to AL

> > > > gives

> > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> working at

> > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> giving

> > job.

> > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> (indu

> > > > lagna)

> > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > > > jyotish

> > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> uses

> > it

> > > > in a

> > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > > transits'

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sunil John

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Mumbai

> > > >>>

> > > >>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> suneelhooda@

> > > >>> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> sharing

> > your

> > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > > > available

> > > >>>> for free download),

> > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> ways

> > to

> > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

> as

> > > >>> Santhanam

> > > >>>> used it.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> [sunil]:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> suneelhooda@

> > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> back,

> > > >>> grab

> > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > predictive

> > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> this

> > > > art

> > > >>>> as

> > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> techniques.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> with

> > > > most

> > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> what I

> > use

> > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> to

> > hear

> > > >>> as

> > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> would

> > > >>> rate

> > > >>>>>> them Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

based

> > on a

> > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > > > survived

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> system

> > > >>> fell

> > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> rules to

> > > >>> apply

> > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> though

> > > > not

> > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> northern

> > > >>>> India

> > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> that

> > > >>> play

> > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> describe

> > how

> > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > accurate

> > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> timing

> > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> what

> > > >>> gives

> > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> very

> > > >>> unique

> > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> approach,

> > if

> > > > I

> > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> calculation used

> > > > is

> > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> subject.

> > > >>> The

> > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later

> I will

> > > >>> post

> > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> this

> > dasa

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > since

> > > > if

> > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> IS ,

> > > > that

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > manner

> > > >>> e.g

> > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> quickly

> > > > in

> > > >>>> few

> > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> gone

> > to

> > > >>> self

> > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

> the

> > > > Chronic

> > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> GK-

> > > > Gnati

> > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> Brown

> > -

> > > >>> his

> > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> any

> > > >>> software

> > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >

> > > >>> to

> > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> lagnas.

> > I

> > > >>>> know

> > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

> for me,

> > it

> > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > describes

> > > >>>> its

> > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> that

> > > > there

> > > >>>> are

> > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> simple

> > non

> > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I

> do use

> > > > the

> > > >>>> dasa

> > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> given

> > > > me

> > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given

> it deep

> > > >>>> study.

> > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> Moon/Sun

> > > > when

> > > >>>> all

> > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> but

> > why

> > > >>>> Moon

> > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> exalted

> > > > in

> > > >>> D7

> > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> agree

> > > > it

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > Nirriti

> > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> the

> > > > cause

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> one of

> > > > the

> > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> this 3rd

> > > >>> child

> > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> the

> > > >>>> effects

> > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> ruling

> > > >>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> take

> > > >>> yogini

> > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> with each

> > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> time

> > > > comes.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> little

> > > >>> time

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>> use it

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> lagna

> > > >>> effecting

> > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> child

> > > >>> (from

> > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> FINE,

> > NO

> > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> spirits !)

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> of

> > > >>> chronic

> > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> diseasegiver

> > etc

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> can

> > > >>> happen

> > > >>>> in

> > > >>>>> this period

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> Karmic

> > > >>> issues

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> situation

> > > > that

> > > >>>> can

> > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> being

> > the

> > > >>> 8th

> > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> this

> > > >>> chart)

> > > >>>> we

> > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> chronic

> > > >>> diseases

> > > >>>> in

> > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > diseases,

> > > > &

> > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > hospitals,

> > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> chronic

> > > >>>> diseases

> > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> disease, big

> > > >>> time

> > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > dasas,

> > > >>> it

> > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> some

> > > >>>> hints-

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> and

> > the

> > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > seeing

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> being

> > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> change

> > of

> > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> always that

> > > >>> the

> > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > people

> > > >>>> who

> > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> vimsottotri is

> > not

> > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã‚Â– a planet

in

> > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > >>>>> /--

> > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> lagna/5

> > > >>> th/9th

> > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> results

> > based

> > > >>> on

> > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> that in

> > > >>> mind,

> > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> with

> > > > most

> > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> other

> > > > yogini

> > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> consistently.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> do

> > you

> > > >>> use

> > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>

December 6, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Ramapriya

Didn't understand what u meant with ur post, sorry my knowledge of

english is not that good

regards

SJ

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Vijayadas,

> >

> > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level

best

> > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> >

> > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All

Sagi

> > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro

Data

> > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

etc &

> > not Vivekandas according to me.

> >

>

> Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

>

> Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve broad

strokes of

> hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than most

already

> regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke and

will

> continue to.

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

Chandrashekhar.

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Vijayadas,

>

> Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level best

> to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

>

> More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro Data

> Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists etc &

> not Vivekandas according to me.

>

> U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur views

>

> Regards

>

> SJ

>

> <%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> >

> > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not, two

> > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question below -

> > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> >

> > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then it

> > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other divisional

> > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the suggestion

> > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> >

> > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi in

> > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow how

> > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here Sunil?.

> >

> > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is assumption

> > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as many.

> >

> > What is happening in reality? -

> >

> > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called Tula.2)Saturn is

> > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha chakra''

> > will arise.

> >

> > This Rashi can become different reference points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having amsha(Karakamsha)

> > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these reference

> > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have quoted

> > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his view

> > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate charts).

> >

> > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to rashi

> > chakra !!!.

> > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the very

> > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can correct

> > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Thanks for ur mail

> > >

> > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that article,

> > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > >

> > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also

> > comes out

> > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

> > >

> > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between someone

> > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel Saheb

> > has

> > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> > Devakerelam

> > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > >

> > > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology unless

> > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology

> > we have

> > > today are preserved.

> > >

> > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to be

> > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list & I

> > > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > > Divisional Transits

> > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse 3124

> > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > >

> > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> > represented

> > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the sign

> > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from

> > enemies,

> > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > >

> > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from

> > Secret

> > > Blemish

> > >

> > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi,

> > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will

> > have

> > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga

> > results.

> > >

> > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi

> > >

> > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

> > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > >

> > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage

> > Matters

> > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with

> > Marriage.

> > >

> > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list has

> > once

> > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

> > >

> > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL,

> > person

> > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

> > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10

> > must

> > > support job related changes.

> > > >

> > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if

> > possible

> > > n

> > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand

> > kakshya

> > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long

> > back. On

> > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > > >

> > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine

> > can be

> > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in

> > handy

> > > pls

> > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of

> > my

> > > > > library that it is now.

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> > mechanism

> > > from my library)

> > > >

> > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the

> > Moon

> > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see

> > below)

> > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of

> > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign

> > gives the

> > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as

> > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10;

> > Venus

> > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > >

> > > > The general principle may be further modified by taking into

> > account

> > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both

> > these are

> > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> > directly, but

> > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be

> > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is

> > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is

> > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus

> > as

> > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse

> > direction

> > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if

> > the

> > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and

> > in the

> > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If

> > the

> > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is

> > counted

> > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even,

> > the

> > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse

> > > direction.

> > > >

> > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might

> > know

> > > that,

> > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me,

> > later

> > > I

> > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> > demonstrated

> > > it in

> > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some

> > would

> > > say

> > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and

> > it

> > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen

> > this

> > > in use.

> > > >

> > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his

> > > books,

> > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome

> > in

> > > real

> > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has

> > > explained this in his book.

> > > >

> > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must

> > master (I

> > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> > beautifully &

> > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

> > > spectacular

> > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too

> > but

> > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits

> > together,

> > > i

> > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional

> > in his

> > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't

> > budge

> > > an

> > > > > inch.

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> > Keralam -

> > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > astrologers. and

> > > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > > >

> > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> > family.

> > > When he

> > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of

> > best

> > > nadi

> > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

> > > computer

> > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I

> > would

> > > be

> > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > >

> > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to

> > travel

> > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> > spoken to

> > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> > Varanasi for

> > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken

> > over by

> > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as

> > well.

> > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> > shifting to

> > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book /

> > data - I

> > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with

> > his

> > > family.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> > care.

> > > >

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>, Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many

> > of

> > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > > > > Government).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

> > > software

> > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon /

> > lagna

> > > (i.e.

> > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct

> > > method.

> > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu

> > > Lagna's

> > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

> > > materialistic

> > > > > gains.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent

> > > results

> > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > principles).

> > > Sun's

> > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as

> > favourable

> > > > > career period.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> > effective

> > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the

> > family.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>

> > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much

> > you

> > > care.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > >>>

> <%40>

> > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

> > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> > prefer it

> > > at

> > > > >>> all).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > Avayogi &

> > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > then

> > > > > its

> > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > Santhanam

> > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> > > would

> > > > > make

> > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > > > > wouldn't

> > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > would

> > > like

> > > > > to

> > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> > its

> > > not

> > > > > easy

> > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > > statistically

> > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

> > to AL

> > > > > gives

> > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> > working at

> > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> > giving

> > > job.

> > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > (indu

> > > > > lagna)

> > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > uses

> > > it

> > > > > in a

> > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > > > transits'

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > >>>

> <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > suneelhooda@

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > sharing

> > > your

> > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > > > > available

> > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> > ways

> > > to

> > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

> > as

> > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > >>>>

> <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > [sunil]:

> > > > >>>>>

> <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > suneelhooda@

> > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> > back,

> > > > >>> grab

> > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > predictive

> > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > this

> > > > > art

> > > > >>>> as

> > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > techniques.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> > with

> > > > > most

> > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > what I

> > > use

> > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> > to

> > > hear

> > > > >>> as

> > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > would

> > > > >>> rate

> > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus emerging

> based

> > > on a

> > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > > > > survived

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > system

> > > > >>> fell

> > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > rules to

> > > > >>> apply

> > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > though

> > > > > not

> > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > northern

> > > > >>>> India

> > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> > that

> > > > >>> play

> > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > describe

> > > how

> > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > > accurate

> > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > timing

> > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> > what

> > > > >>> gives

> > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > very

> > > > >>> unique

> > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > approach,

> > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > calculation used

> > > > > is

> > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > subject.

> > > > >>> The

> > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later

> > I will

> > > > >>> post

> > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > this

> > > dasa

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > > since

> > > > > if

> > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> > IS ,

> > > > > that

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > > manner

> > > > >>> e.g

> > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > quickly

> > > > > in

> > > > >>>> few

> > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> > gone

> > > to

> > > > >>> self

> > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

> > the

> > > > > Chronic

> > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> > GK-

> > > > > Gnati

> > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > Brown

> > > -

> > > > >>> his

> > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> > any

> > > > >>> software

> > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > >

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > lagnas.

> > > I

> > > > >>>> know

> > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

> > for me,

> > > it

> > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > describes

> > > > >>>> its

> > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > that

> > > > > there

> > > > >>>> are

> > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > simple

> > > non

> > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I

> > do use

> > > > > the

> > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > given

> > > > > me

> > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given

> > it deep

> > > > >>>> study.

> > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > Moon/Sun

> > > > > when

> > > > >>>> all

> > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> > but

> > > why

> > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > exalted

> > > > > in

> > > > >>> D7

> > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > agree

> > > > > it

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > > Nirriti

> > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> > the

> > > > > cause

> > > > >>> of

> > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > one of

> > > > > the

> > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > this 3rd

> > > > >>> child

> > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> > the

> > > > >>>> effects

> > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > ruling

> > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > take

> > > > >>> yogini

> > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> > with each

> > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > time

> > > > > comes.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > little

> > > > >>> time

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> > lagna

> > > > >>> effecting

> > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> > child

> > > > >>> (from

> > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > FINE,

> > > NO

> > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > spirits !)

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> > of

> > > > >>> chronic

> > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > diseasegiver

> > > etc

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> > can

> > > > >>> happen

> > > > >>>> in

> > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > Karmic

> > > > >>> issues

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > situation

> > > > > that

> > > > >>>> can

> > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > being

> > > the

> > > > >>> 8th

> > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> > this

> > > > >>> chart)

> > > > >>>> we

> > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> > chronic

> > > > >>> diseases

> > > > >>>> in

> > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > diseases,

> > > > > &

> > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > hospitals,

> > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > chronic

> > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > disease, big

> > > > >>> time

> > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > > dasas,

> > > > >>> it

> > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> > some

> > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> > and

> > > the

> > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > > seeing

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > being

> > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > change

> > > of

> > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> > always that

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > > people

> > > > >>>> who

> > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > vimsottotri is

> > > not

> > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã,Â-- a planet

> in

> > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > lagna/5

> > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > results

> > > based

> > > > >>> on

> > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > that in

> > > > >>> mind,

> > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> > with

> > > > > most

> > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > other

> > > > > yogini

> > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > consistently.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> > do

> > > you

> > > > >>> use

> > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil

I for one will not think,Chandrashekhar ji will say so.May be it is a

misunderstanding from your part.From his teachings i have a feeling

that he takes numerous factors into account.Kindly give the reference

from his mail -''All Sagittaraians are Vivekananadas'' or conveying

similar in essence.But i will say atleast one sagittarian has to be

different.Because one Sagittarian has to be Vijayadas Pradeep:-).

>From your mail i understand that,Vivekananda(Sagittarian) is not a

rapist/religious bigot/criminal etc.And some Sagittaraians were so(i

think 13 of them).So i feel you have answered the puzzle.It is not a

function of lagna.

Is lagna the lone factor for conclusion?.If you have any secret rules

kindly share.

>From another angle,all the charts that you hve provided proves that

Sagittarians are dangerous.Will take care.

I fully endorse your views.Kindly attend to my mail,if you think so.

Thanks

Pradeep

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote:

>

> On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Vijayadas,

> >

> > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

level best

> > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I

had

> > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> >

> > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

Astro Data

> > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

etc &

> > not Vivekandas according to me.

> >

>

> Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

>

> Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve broad

strokes of

> hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than most

already

> regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke and

will

> continue to.

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

December 7, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Hi Pradeep,

I am surprised we spent better part of Aug & Sept discussing all this &

now we are coming back to the same thing as if it didn't happen. I

seriously for one do not have the time or inclination to get into it

again. Still partial reply to this, see below [sunil]:

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> I for one will not think,Chandrashekhar ji will say so.May be it is a

> misunderstanding from your part.From his teachings i have a feeling

> that he takes numerous factors into account.Kindly give the reference

> from his mail -''All Sagittaraians are Vivekananadas'' or conveying

> similar in essence.But i will say atleast one sagittarian has to be

> different.Because one Sagittarian has to be Vijayadas Pradeep:-).

>

[sunil]: weren't we discussing Sagi lagna when u wrote about billy the

kid? My phrasing of quote was not apt but not wrong since I thought we

all remembered that discussion of Aug/Sept, the whole discussion on Sagi

lagnas started by following quote of Chandrashekhar

I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

Now the last line is what started the discussion for a month & followed

with responses & charts from my end as examples, the point being

discussed was 'ALL Sagi lagnas are Vivekanandas' as per me while last

line of Chandrashekhar (as above) is explanatory

Anyways I find selective amenesia distasteful & boring, why did we waste

1 month or so discussing it, if I was wrong in the first place why Bill

the kid charts accurate was debated

> From your mail i understand that,Vivekananda(Sagittarian) is not a

> rapist/religious bigot/criminal etc.And some Sagittaraians were so(i

> think 13 of them).So i feel you have answered the puzzle.It is not a

> function of lagna.

>

> Is lagna the lone factor for conclusion?.If you have any secret rules

> kindly share.

>

> From another angle,all the charts that you hve provided proves that

> Sagittarians are dangerous.Will take care.

[sunil]: I clearly u not saying the above then, infact u said when u

have time u would erect the charts and see if they are sagi lagnas & I

always thought why it took u so many months to erect 15 charts,

Chandrashekhar tried with the first one Billy the kid but disputed the

data whereas I had only posted from Astro data bank software & then no

response on the rest 14 charts, I can understand as I know what is the

spirit of discussions here.

Its better we do not discuss anything, I really do not understand the

phrasing, rephrasing to suit ones needs.I saw it in the Mahapurusha Yoga

discussions & the Amitabhs Jup being maraka discussion.

People here do not follow their own truth rather they follow selective

supporting of their favorites, & keep mum when their gurus or ideals are

wrong, thats not honesty towards astrology as a shastra.

I shall wait today if there is any meaningful reply from your end

otherwise I would ignore it.

SJ

>

> I fully endorse your views.Kindly attend to my mail,if you think so.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "D Ramapriya" ramapriya.d@ wrote:

> >

> > On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > >

> > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

> level best

> > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I

> had

> > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > >

> > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

> Astro Data

> > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

> etc &

> > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > >

> >

> > Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

> >

> > Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve broad

> strokes of

> > hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than most

> already

> > regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke and

> will

> > continue to.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Ramapriya

> >

December 7, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Dear Chandrashekhar,

did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas all being

vivekandas

I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might not be

exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in Aug/Sept

for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just short form

of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have said "Swami

Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail which I will

send link later

Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I opposed

since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was coming.

I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on jyotish, I

realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore reading my mails

as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this list.

best wishes

SJ

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Vijayadas,

> >

> > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level

best

> > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> >

> > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All

Sagi

> > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro

Data

> > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

etc &

> > not Vivekandas according to me.

> >

> > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur

views

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > <%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > >

> > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not, two

> > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question below -

> > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > >

> > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then it

> > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

divisional

> > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the suggestion

> > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > >

> > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi in

> > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow how

> > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here Sunil?.

> > >

> > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is assumption

> > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as

many.

> > >

> > > What is happening in reality? -

> > >

> > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha chakra''

> > > will arise.

> > >

> > > This Rashi can become different reference

points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

reference

> > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have quoted

> > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his view

> > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate charts).

> > >

> > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to rashi

> > > chakra !!!.

> > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the very

> > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can

correct

> > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > >

> > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that

article,

> > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also

> > > comes out

> > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

> > > >

> > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between

someone

> > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel

Saheb

> > > has

> > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> > > Devakerelam

> > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > >

> > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology

unless

> > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology

> > > we have

> > > > today are preserved.

> > > >

> > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to

be

> > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list &

I

> > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse

3124

> > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > >

> > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> > > represented

> > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the

sign

> > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from

> > > enemies,

> > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > >

> > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from

> > > Secret

> > > > Blemish

> > > >

> > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa

Rasi,

> > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will

> > > have

> > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga

> > > results.

> > > >

> > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa

Rasi

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

> > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > >

> > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage

> > > Matters

> > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with

> > > Marriage.

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list

has

> > > once

> > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from

AL,

> > > person

> > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

> > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10

> > > must

> > > > support job related changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if

> > > possible

> > > > n

> > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand

> > > kakshya

> > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long

> > > back. On

> > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine

> > > can be

> > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it

in

> > > handy

> > > > pls

> > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess

of

> > > my

> > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> > > mechanism

> > > > from my library)

> > > > >

> > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and

the

> > > Moon

> > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas

(see

> > > below)

> > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total

of

> > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign

> > > gives the

> > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are

as

> > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter =

10;

> > > Venus

> > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > >

> > > > > The general principle may be further modified by taking into

> > > account

> > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both

> > > these are

> > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> > > directly, but

> > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should

be

> > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant

is

> > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly

is

> > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For

Taurus

> > > as

> > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse

> > > direction

> > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if

> > > the

> > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and

> > > in the

> > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed.

If

> > > the

> > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is

> > > counted

> > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even,

> > > the

> > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the

reverse

> > > > direction.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might

> > > know

> > > > that,

> > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed

me,

> > > later

> > > > I

> > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> > > demonstrated

> > > > it in

> > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional

some

> > > would

> > > > say

> > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses.

and

> > > it

> > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have

seen

> > > this

> > > > in use.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in

his

> > > > books,

> > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

cumbersome

> > > in

> > > > real

> > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel

has

> > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > >

> > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must

> > > master (I

> > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> > > beautifully &

> > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

> > > > spectacular

> > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail

too

> > > but

> > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits

> > > together,

> > > > i

> > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

traditional

> > > in his

> > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he

won't

> > > budge

> > > > an

> > > > > > inch.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> > > Keralam -

> > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > astrologers. and

> > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> > > family.

> > > > When he

> > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection

of

> > > best

> > > > nadi

> > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

> > > > computer

> > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used

to

> > > travel

> > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> > > spoken to

> > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> > > Varanasi for

> > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken

> > > over by

> > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as

> > > well.

> > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> > > shifting to

> > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book /

> > > data - I

> > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch

with

> > > his

> > > > family.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much

you

> > > care.

> > > > >

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>, Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for

many

> > > of

> > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > > > > > Government).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

> > > > software

> > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon /

> > > lagna

> > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more

correct

> > > > method.

> > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using

Indu

> > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > gains.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

consistent

> > > > results

> > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > principles).

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as

> > > favourable

> > > > > > career period.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> > > effective

> > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the

> > > family.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how

much

> > > you

> > > > care.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

> > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> > > prefer it

> > > > at

> > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > Avayogi &

> > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

Santhanam,

> > > then

> > > > > > its

> > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > > Santhanam

> > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel,

he

> > > > would

> > > > > > make

> > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

dasa

> > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > to

> > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

lagna),

> > > its

> > > > not

> > > > > > easy

> > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > > > statistically

> > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

> > > to AL

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> > > working at

> > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> > > giving

> > > > job.

> > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > > (indu

> > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

his.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

old

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

he

> > > uses

> > > > it

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

emphasise

> > > > > > transits'

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > >>>

> > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > > sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

(its

> > > > > > available

> > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

different

> > > ways

> > > > to

> > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

or

> > > as

> > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > >>>>

> > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > [sunil]:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

settle

> > > back,

> > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > predictive

> > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

master

> > > this

> > > > > > art

> > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > techniques.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

experimented

> > > with

> > > > > > most

> > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > what I

> > > > use

> > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

like

> > > to

> > > > hear

> > > > > >>> as

> > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

you

> > > would

> > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

emerging

> > based

> > > > on a

> > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

therefore

> > > > > > survived

> > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

dasa

> > > system

> > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > rules to

> > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > though

> > > > > > not

> > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > northern

> > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

dasas

> > > that

> > > > > >>> play

> > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > describe

> > > > how

> > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

be

> > > > accurate

> > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > timing

> > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion

is

> > > what

> > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > > very

> > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > approach,

> > > > if

> > > > > > I

> > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > calculation used

> > > > > > is

> > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > subject.

> > > > > >>> The

> > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

later

> > > I will

> > > > > >>> post

> > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > > this

> > > > dasa

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

this

> > > > since

> > > > > > if

> > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

IT

> > > IS ,

> > > > > > that

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

simplistic

> > > > manner

> > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > quickly

> > > > > > in

> > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

years):

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

has

> > > gone

> > > > to

> > > > > >>> self

> > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

> > > the

> > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc

&

> > > GK-

> > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

Gordon

> > > Brown

> > > > -

> > > > > >>> his

> > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

know

> > > any

> > > > > >>> software

> > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > > >

> > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > lagnas.

> > > > I

> > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

> > > for me,

> > > > it

> > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > > describes

> > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > simple

> > > > non

> > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I

> > > do use

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

has

> > > given

> > > > > > me

> > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given

> > > it deep

> > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > when

> > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

child

> > > but

> > > > why

> > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > exalted

> > > > > > in

> > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

do

> > > agree

> > > > > > it

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

in

> > > > Nirriti

> > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

is

> > > the

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > one of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > this 3rd

> > > > > >>> child

> > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

to

> > > the

> > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > > ruling

> > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > > take

> > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> > > with each

> > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > time

> > > > > > comes.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > > little

> > > > > >>> time

> > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> > > lagna

> > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

for

> > > child

> > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

ITS

> > > FINE,

> > > > NO

> > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > spirits !)

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

8H

> > > of

> > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > diseasegiver

> > > > etc

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

or

> > > can

> > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > Karmic

> > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > situation

> > > > > > that

> > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > being

> > > > the

> > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

(in

> > > this

> > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> > > chronic

> > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > diseases,

> > > > > > &

> > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > hospitals,

> > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > chronic

> > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > disease, big

> > > > > >>> time

> > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

three

> > > > dasas,

> > > > > >>> it

> > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

are

> > > some

> > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

always

> > > and

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change

of

> > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

are

> > > > seeing

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

not

> > > being

> > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > change

> > > > of

> > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> > > always that

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all

the

> > > > people

> > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > vimsottotri is

> > > > not

> > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã,Â-- a

planet

> > in

> > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > lagna/5

> > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > results

> > > > based

> > > > > >>> on

> > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > that in

> > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

experimented

> > > with

> > > > > > most

> > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > other

> > > > > > yogini

> > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > consistently.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

systems

> > > do

> > > > you

> > > > > >>> use

> > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>

December 7, 2006

Dear Sunil

As we all agree that,total behaviour is not a function of lagna

alone,i assume the pending issue on Sag lagna is closed.Also as you

have given data from Astro bank no body is disputing.

Thanks

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Hi Pradeep,

>

> I am surprised we spent better part of Aug & Sept discussing all

this &

> now we are coming back to the same thing as if it didn't happen. I

> seriously for one do not have the time or inclination to get into

it

> again. Still partial reply to this, see below [sunil]:

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil

> >

> > I for one will not think,Chandrashekhar ji will say so.May be it

is a

> > misunderstanding from your part.From his teachings i have a

feeling

> > that he takes numerous factors into account.Kindly give the

reference

> > from his mail -''All Sagittaraians are Vivekananadas'' or

conveying

> > similar in essence.But i will say atleast one sagittarian has to

be

> > different.Because one Sagittarian has to be Vijayadas Pradeep:-).

> >

>

> [sunil]: weren't we discussing Sagi lagna when u wrote about billy

the

> kid? My phrasing of quote was not apt but not wrong since I

thought we

> all remembered that discussion of Aug/Sept, the whole discussion

on Sagi

> lagnas started by following quote of Chandrashekhar

>

> I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

know

> where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

you

> please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

rising and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

> Now the last line is what started the discussion for a month &

followed

> with responses & charts from my end as examples, the point being

> discussed was 'ALL Sagi lagnas are Vivekanandas' as per me while

last

> line of Chandrashekhar (as above) is explanatory

>

> Anyways I find selective amenesia distasteful & boring, why did we

waste

> 1 month or so discussing it, if I was wrong in the first place why

Bill

> the kid charts accurate was debated

>

> > From your mail i understand that,Vivekananda(Sagittarian) is not

a

> > rapist/religious bigot/criminal etc.And some Sagittaraians were

so(i

> > think 13 of them).So i feel you have answered the puzzle.It is

not a

> > function of lagna.

> >

> > Is lagna the lone factor for conclusion?.If you have any secret

rules

> > kindly share.

> >

> > From another angle,all the charts that you hve provided proves

that

> > Sagittarians are dangerous.Will take care.

>

> [sunil]: I clearly u not saying the above then, infact u said when

u

> have time u would erect the charts and see if they are sagi lagnas

& I

> always thought why it took u so many months to erect 15 charts,

> Chandrashekhar tried with the first one Billy the kid but disputed

the

> data whereas I had only posted from Astro data bank software &

then no

> response on the rest 14 charts, I can understand as I know what is

the

> spirit of discussions here.

>

> Its better we do not discuss anything, I really do not understand

the

> phrasing, rephrasing to suit ones needs.I saw it in the

Mahapurusha Yoga

> discussions & the Amitabhs Jup being maraka discussion.

>

> People here do not follow their own truth rather they follow

selective

> supporting of their favorites, & keep mum when their gurus or

ideals are

> wrong, thats not honesty towards astrology as a shastra.

>

> I shall wait today if there is any meaningful reply from your end

> otherwise I would ignore it.

>

> SJ

>

> >

> > I fully endorse your views.Kindly attend to my mail,if you think

so.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , "D Ramapriya" ramapriya.d@ wrote:

> > >

> > > On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > >

> > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

> > level best

> > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U

said few

> > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

which I

> > had

> > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > >

> > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> > Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

> > Astro Data

> > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

rapists

> > etc &

> > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

> > >

> > > Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve

broad

> > strokes of

> > > hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than

most

> > already

> > > regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke

and

> > will

> > > continue to.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

December 7, 2006

Dear Sunil,

I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that you seem

to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again ascribe quotes

to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have commented had

you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas all being

> vivekandas

>

> I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might not be

> exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in Aug/Sept

> for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just short form

> of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have said "Swami

> Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail which I will

> send link later

>

> Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I opposed

> since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was coming.

>

> I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on jyotish, I

> realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore reading my mails

> as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this list.

>

> best wishes

>

> SJ

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > >

> > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level

> best

> > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > >

> > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All

> Sagi

> > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro

> Data

> > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

> etc &

> > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > >

> > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur

> views

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil

> > > >

> > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not, two

> > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question below -

> > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > >

> > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then it

> > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> divisional

> > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the suggestion

> > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi in

> > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow how

> > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here Sunil?.

> > > >

> > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is assumption

> > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as

> many.

> > > >

> > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > >

> > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha chakra''

> > > > will arise.

> > > >

> > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

> reference

> > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have quoted

> > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his view

> > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate charts).

> > > >

> > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to rashi

> > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the very

> > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can

> correct

> > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that

> article,

> > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also

> > > > comes out

> > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between

> someone

> > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel

> Saheb

> > > > has

> > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > >

> > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology

> unless

> > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology

> > > > we have

> > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > >

> > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to

> be

> > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list &

> I

> > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse

> 3124

> > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> > > > represented

> > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the

> sign

> > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from

> > > > enemies,

> > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from

> > > > Secret

> > > > > Blemish

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa

> Rasi,

> > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will

> > > > have

> > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga

> > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa

> Rasi

> > > > >

> > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

> > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage

> > > > Matters

> > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with

> > > > Marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list

> has

> > > > once

> > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from

> AL,

> > > > person

> > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

> > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10

> > > > must

> > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if

> > > > possible

> > > > > n

> > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand

> > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long

> > > > back. On

> > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it

> in

> > > > handy

> > > > > pls

> > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess

> of

> > > > my

> > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> > > > mechanism

> > > > > from my library)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and

> the

> > > > Moon

> > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas

> (see

> > > > below)

> > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total

> of

> > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign

> > > > gives the

> > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are

> as

> > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter =

> 10;

> > > > Venus

> > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by taking into

> > > > account

> > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both

> > > > these are

> > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> > > > directly, but

> > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should

> be

> > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant

> is

> > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly

> is

> > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For

> Taurus

> > > > as

> > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse

> > > > direction

> > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if

> > > > the

> > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and

> > > > in the

> > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed.

> If

> > > > the

> > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is

> > > > counted

> > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even,

> > > > the

> > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the

> reverse

> > > > > direction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might

> > > > know

> > > > > that,

> > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed

> me,

> > > > later

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> > > > demonstrated

> > > > > it in

> > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional

> some

> > > > would

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses.

> and

> > > > it

> > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have

> seen

> > > > this

> > > > > in use.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in

> his

> > > > > books,

> > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> cumbersome

> > > > in

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel

> has

> > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must

> > > > master (I

> > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

> > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail

> too

> > > > but

> > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits

> > > > together,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> traditional

> > > > in his

> > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he

> won't

> > > > budge

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> > > > Keralam -

> > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> > > > family.

> > > > > When he

> > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection

> of

> > > > best

> > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

> > > > > computer

> > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used

> to

> > > > travel

> > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> > > > spoken to

> > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken

> > > > over by

> > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as

> > > > well.

> > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> > > > shifting to

> > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book /

> > > > data - I

> > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch

> with

> > > > his

> > > > > family.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much

> you

> > > > care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for

> many

> > > > of

> > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon /

> > > > lagna

> > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more

> correct

> > > > > method.

> > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using

> Indu

> > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> consistent

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > > principles).

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as

> > > > favourable

> > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> > > > effective

> > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the

> > > > family.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how

> much

> > > > you

> > > > > care.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > >>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

> > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> > > > prefer it

> > > > > at

> > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> Santhanam,

> > > > then

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel,

> he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

> dasa

> > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > > > would

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

> lagna),

> > > > its

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

> > > > to AL

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> > > > working at

> > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> > > > giving

> > > > > job.

> > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > > > (indu

> > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

> his.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

> old

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

> he

> > > > uses

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> emphasise

> > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > >>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > > > sharing

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

> (its

> > > > > > > available

> > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

> different

> > > > ways

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

> or

> > > > as

> > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

> settle

> > > > back,

> > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > > predictive

> > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

> master

> > > > this

> > > > > > > art

> > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > > techniques.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> experimented

> > > > with

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > > what I

> > > > > use

> > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

> like

> > > > to

> > > > > hear

> > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

> you

> > > > would

> > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

> emerging

> > > based

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

> therefore

> > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

> dasa

> > > > system

> > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > > rules to

> > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > > though

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > > northern

> > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

> dasas

> > > > that

> > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > > describe

> > > > > how

> > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

> be

> > > > > accurate

> > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > > timing

> > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion

> is

> > > > what

> > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > > > very

> > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > > approach,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > > subject.

> > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

> later

> > > > I will

> > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > > > this

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

> this

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

> IT

> > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> simplistic

> > > > > manner

> > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > > quickly

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

> years):

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

> has

> > > > gone

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc

> &

> > > > GK-

> > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

> Gordon

> > > > Brown

> > > > > -

> > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

> know

> > > > any

> > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > > lagnas.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

> > > > for me,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > > > describes

> > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > > simple

> > > > > non

> > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I

> > > > do use

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

> has

> > > > given

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given

> > > > it deep

> > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

> child

> > > > but

> > > > > why

> > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > > exalted

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

> do

> > > > agree

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

> in

> > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > > one of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> to

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > > > ruling

> > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > > > take

> > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> > > > with each

> > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > > > little

> > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

> for

> > > > child

> > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

> ITS

> > > > FINE,

> > > > > NO

> > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

> 8H

> > > > of

> > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

> or

> > > > can

> > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > > Karmic

> > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > > situation

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > > being

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

> (in

> > > > this

> > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> > > > chronic

> > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > &

> > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > > chronic

> > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > > disease, big

> > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

> three

> > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

> are

> > > > some

> > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

> always

> > > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change

> of

> > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

> are

> > > > > seeing

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

> not

> > > > being

> > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > > change

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> > > > always that

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all

> the

> > > > > people

> > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã,Â-- a

> planet

> > > in

> > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > > results

> > > > > based

> > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > > that in

> > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> experimented

> > > > with

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > > consistently.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

> systems

> > > > do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

December 8, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Dear Chandrashekhar,

I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug Sept was

clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not following the

Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only quoted half

line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

This is what u wrote

1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

you

> please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

rising and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of urs

which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a racist,

all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on RACISTS & u

also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart quoting

ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep supported u

which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct the

other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation of such

things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from seniors

like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge that,

doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written and

changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I learn from

the list members

Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in the

first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls are

funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among members of

this very own list.

anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism as we

all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage with our

one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members, lets

scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs on VA

lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

best

SJ

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that you seem

> to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again ascribe

quotes

> to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have commented had

> you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

>

> Take care,

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas all

being

> > vivekandas

> >

> > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might not be

> > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

Aug/Sept

> > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just short

form

> > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have said "Swami

> > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail which I

will

> > send link later

> >

> > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I

opposed

> > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was

coming.

> >

> > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on jyotish,

I

> > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore reading my

mails

> > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this list.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > >

> > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

level

> > best

> > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said

few

> > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I

had

> > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > >

> > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar

'All

> > Sagi

> > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

Astro

> > Data

> > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

rapists

> > etc &

> > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > >

> > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur

> > views

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not,

two

> > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question

below -

> > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then

it

> > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> > divisional

> > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

suggestion

> > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi

in

> > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow

how

> > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here

Sunil?.

> > > > >

> > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

assumption

> > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as

> > many.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha

chakra''

> > > > > will arise.

> > > > >

> > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

> > reference

> > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have

quoted

> > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his

view

> > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate

charts).

> > > > >

> > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to

rashi

> > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the

very

> > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can

> > correct

> > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that

> > article,

> > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work

also

> > > > > comes out

> > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to

astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between

> > someone

> > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel

> > Saheb

> > > > > has

> > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology

> > unless

> > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of

astrology

> > > > > we have

> > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet

to

> > be

> > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this

list &

> > I

> > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314,

verse

> > 3124

> > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> > > > > represented

> > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or

the

> > sign

> > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers

from

> > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation

from

> > > > > Secret

> > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra

Navamsa

> > Rasi,

> > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and

will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

yogabhanga

> > > > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra

Navamsa

> > Rasi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can

be

> > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for

Marriage

> > > > > Matters

> > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do

with

> > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the

list

> > has

> > > > > once

> > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses &

retire

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have

observed,

> > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine

from

> > AL,

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be

used

> > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from

A10

> > > > > must

> > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits,

if

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

understand

> > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this

long

> > > > > back. On

> > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological

Magazine

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has

it

> > in

> > > > > handy

> > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the

mess

> > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant

and

> > the

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas

> > (see

> > > > > below)

> > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the

total

> > of

> > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon

sign

> > > > > gives the

> > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets

are

> > as

> > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter

=

> > 10;

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by taking

into

> > > > > account

> > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case

both

> > > > > these are

> > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house

should

> > be

> > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the

ascendant

> > is

> > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted

directly

> > is

> > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For

> > Taurus

> > > > > as

> > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the

reverse

> > > > > direction

> > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

Similarly, if

> > > > > the

> > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly,

and

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be

reversed.

> > If

> > > > > the

> > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > counted

> > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being

even,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the

> > reverse

> > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u

might

> > > > > know

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay

rebuffed

> > me,

> > > > > later

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional

> > some

> > > > > would

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all

houses.

> > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have

> > seen

> > > > > this

> > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work

in

> > his

> > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> > cumbersome

> > > > > in

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri

Patel

> > has

> > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one

must

> > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits,

makes

> > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him

fail

> > too

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

transits

> > > > > together,

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> > traditional

> > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he

> > won't

> > > > > budge

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> > > > > family.

> > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

collection

> > of

> > > > > best

> > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his

house or

> > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that

out I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I

used

> > to

> > > > > travel

> > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then,

taken

> > > > > over by

> > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works

as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book

/

> > > > > data - I

> > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in

touch

> > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > family.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how

much

> > you

> > > > > care.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for

> > many

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve

Gowda

> > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing.

Most

> > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of

moon /

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more

> > correct

> > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer

using

> > Indu

> > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful

for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> > consistent

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > > > principles).

> > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked

as

> > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in

the

> > > > > family.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how

> > much

> > > > > you

> > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc &

Indu

> > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain

Yogi

> > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> > Santhanam,

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to

late

> > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was

novel,

> > he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events

Vim

> > dasa

> > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya,

maybe u

> > > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

> > lagna),

> > > > > its

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has

to

> > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in

trines

> > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> > > > > working at

> > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from

AL

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing &

IL

> > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

> > his.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into

the

> > old

> > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

hear

> > he

> > > > > uses

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > emphasise

> > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji

for

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath

Hora

> > (its

> > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

> > different

> > > > > ways

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as

chugh

> > or

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below

as

> > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

> > settle

> > > > > back,

> > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth

to

> > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

> > master

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > experimented

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas

are

> > > > > what I

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

> > like

> > > > > to

> > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and

how

> > you

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

> > emerging

> > > > based

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

> > therefore

> > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

> > dasa

> > > > > system

> > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or

the

> > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in

point,

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives

in

> > > > > northern

> > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

> > dasas

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > > > describe

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs

to

> > be

> > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4

months

> > > > > timing

> > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift

motion

> > is

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns

are

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > > > approach,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on

this

> > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

> > later

> > > > > I will

> > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

ignoring

> > > > > this

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to

use

> > this

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know

if

> > IT

> > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> > simplistic

> > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to

see it

> > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

> > years):

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

opportunity

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of

which

> > has

> > > > > gone

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

Rahu

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

etc

> > &

> > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

> > Gordon

> > > > > Brown

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

> > know

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i

don't

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the

varga

> > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work,

but

> > > > > for me,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

parashar

> > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I

believe

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they

know

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > non

> > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa,

anyways I

> > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though

it

> > has

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

given

> > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa

when

> > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

> > child

> > > > > but

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of

children &

> > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic

though I

> > do

> > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

direction

> > in

> > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this

Moon

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I

read in

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and

now

> > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of

the

> > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

understand I

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

horoscope,

> > > > > with each

> > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when

the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I

get

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big)

in

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore

maraka

> > for

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH

THEM

> > ITS

> > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals &

also

> > 8H

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child

could

> > or

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily

the

> > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed

in 8H

> > > > > being

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones

child

> > (in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L

of

> > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H

of

> > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th

lord

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house

shows

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in

all

> > three

> > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all.

These

> > are

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

> > always

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major

change

> > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what

you

> > are

> > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern

is

> > not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

events,like

> > > > > change

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> > > > > always that

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by

all

> > the

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

Ã,Â-- a

> > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord

of

> > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always

work.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so

keep

> > > > > that in

> > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this

dasa.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > experimented

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa

and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

> > systems

> > > > > do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>

December 8, 2006

Very convenient

SJ

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> As we all agree that,total behaviour is not a function of lagna

> alone,i assume the pending issue on Sag lagna is closed.Also as you

> have given data from Astro bank no body is disputing.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Pradeep,

> >

> > I am surprised we spent better part of Aug & Sept discussing all

> this &

> > now we are coming back to the same thing as if it didn't happen. I

> > seriously for one do not have the time or inclination to get into

> it

> > again. Still partial reply to this, see below [sunil]:

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil

> > >

> > > I for one will not think,Chandrashekhar ji will say so.May be it

> is a

> > > misunderstanding from your part.From his teachings i have a

> feeling

> > > that he takes numerous factors into account.Kindly give the

> reference

> > > from his mail -''All Sagittaraians are Vivekananadas'' or

> conveying

> > > similar in essence.But i will say atleast one sagittarian has to

> be

> > > different.Because one Sagittarian has to be Vijayadas Pradeep:-).

> > >

> >

> > [sunil]: weren't we discussing Sagi lagna when u wrote about billy

> the

> > kid? My phrasing of quote was not apt but not wrong since I

> thought we

> > all remembered that discussion of Aug/Sept, the whole discussion

> on Sagi

> > lagnas started by following quote of Chandrashekhar

> >

> > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

> know

> > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

> you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> rising and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > Now the last line is what started the discussion for a month &

> followed

> > with responses & charts from my end as examples, the point being

> > discussed was 'ALL Sagi lagnas are Vivekanandas' as per me while

> last

> > line of Chandrashekhar (as above) is explanatory

> >

> > Anyways I find selective amenesia distasteful & boring, why did we

> waste

> > 1 month or so discussing it, if I was wrong in the first place why

> Bill

> > the kid charts accurate was debated

> >

> > > From your mail i understand that,Vivekananda(Sagittarian) is not

> a

> > > rapist/religious bigot/criminal etc.And some Sagittaraians were

> so(i

> > > think 13 of them).So i feel you have answered the puzzle.It is

> not a

> > > function of lagna.

> > >

> > > Is lagna the lone factor for conclusion?.If you have any secret

> rules

> > > kindly share.

> > >

> > > From another angle,all the charts that you hve provided proves

> that

> > > Sagittarians are dangerous.Will take care.

> >

> > [sunil]: I clearly u not saying the above then, infact u said when

> u

> > have time u would erect the charts and see if they are sagi lagnas

> & I

> > always thought why it took u so many months to erect 15 charts,

> > Chandrashekhar tried with the first one Billy the kid but disputed

> the

> > data whereas I had only posted from Astro data bank software &

> then no

> > response on the rest 14 charts, I can understand as I know what is

> the

> > spirit of discussions here.

> >

> > Its better we do not discuss anything, I really do not understand

> the

> > phrasing, rephrasing to suit ones needs.I saw it in the

> Mahapurusha Yoga

> > discussions & the Amitabhs Jup being maraka discussion.

> >

> > People here do not follow their own truth rather they follow

> selective

> > supporting of their favorites, & keep mum when their gurus or

> ideals are

> > wrong, thats not honesty towards astrology as a shastra.

> >

> > I shall wait today if there is any meaningful reply from your end

> > otherwise I would ignore it.

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > >

> > > I fully endorse your views.Kindly attend to my mail,if you think

> so.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , "D Ramapriya" ramapriya.d@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

> > > level best

> > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U

> said few

> > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

> which I

> > > had

> > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > >

> > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

> > > Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

> > > Astro Data

> > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

> rapists

> > > etc &

> > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

> > > >

> > > > Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve

> broad

> > > strokes of

> > > > hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than

> most

> > > already

> > > > regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke

> and

> > > will

> > > > continue to.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers,

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > >

December 8, 2006

Dear Sunil,

I do not see where I said that all Sagittarius are Vivekananda in the

exchange you quoted. Actually the reply suggests that I was responding

to some blanket statement like Sagittarius bing a racist sign. It is

also clear that I said that Vivekananda is Sagittarius and was not

called as racist by any one. What is there to be confused about that

statement. How does that mean that a person of Sagittarius lagna can not

be a racist? I wish somebody who has done his Master in English

language comments on whether what I am saying is right or not.

So if you want to blame someone, for making gross statements, blame the

person who said Sagittarius sign is a racist sign.

Chandrashekhar.

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug Sept was

> clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not following the

> Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only quoted half

> line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

>

> This is what u wrote

>

> 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not

> know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will

> you

> > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> rising and

> > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

> 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of urs

> which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a racist,

> all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on RACISTS & u

> also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart quoting

> ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep supported u

> which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct the

> other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

>

> 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation of such

> things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from seniors

> like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge that,

> doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written and

> changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I learn from

> the list members

>

> Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in the

> first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls are

> funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among members of

> this very own list.

>

> anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism as we

> all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage with our

> one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members, lets

> scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs on VA

> lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that you seem

> > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again ascribe

> quotes

> > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have commented had

> > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > > OM Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi lagnas all

> being

> > > vivekandas

> > >

> > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might not be

> > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

> Aug/Sept

> > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just short

> form

> > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have said "Swami

> > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail which I

> will

> > > send link later

> > >

> > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what I

> opposed

> > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was

> coming.

> > >

> > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on jyotish,

> I

> > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore reading my

> mails

> > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this list.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my

> level

> > > best

> > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said

> few

> > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I

> had

> > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > >

> > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar

> 'All

> > > Sagi

> > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from

> Astro

> > > Data

> > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

> rapists

> > > etc &

> > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and post ur

> > > views

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not,

> two

> > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question

> below -

> > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

> > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then

> it

> > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> > > divisional

> > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

> suggestion

> > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi

> in

> > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

> > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow

> how

> > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

> > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here

> Sunil?.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

> assumption

> > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as

> > > many.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

> > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha

> chakra''

> > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these

> > > reference

> > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have

> quoted

> > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

> > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his

> view

> > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate

> charts).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

> > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to

> rashi

> > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the

> very

> > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can

> > > correct

> > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that

> > > article,

> > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work

> also

> > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to

> astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between

> > > someone

> > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel

> > > Saheb

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

> > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology

> > > unless

> > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of

> astrology

> > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on this

> list &

> > > I

> > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314,

> verse

> > > 3124

> > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

> > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or

> the

> > > sign

> > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers

> from

> > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation

> from

> > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra

> Navamsa

> > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and

> will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

> yogabhanga

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra

> Navamsa

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can

> be

> > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for

> Marriage

> > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do

> with

> > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the

> list

> > > has

> > > > > > once

> > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on responses &

> retire

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have

> observed,

> > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine

> from

> > > AL,

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be

> used

> > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from

> A10

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits,

> if

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

> understand

> > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this

> long

> > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological

> Magazine

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has

> it

> > > in

> > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the

> mess

> > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

> > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas

> > > (see

> > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the

> total

> > > of

> > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon

> sign

> > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets

> are

> > > as

> > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter

> =

> > > 10;

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by taking

> into

> > > > > > account

> > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case

> both

> > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

> > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house

> should

> > > be

> > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the

> ascendant

> > > is

> > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted

> directly

> > > is

> > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For

> > > Taurus

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the

> reverse

> > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

> Similarly, if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly,

> and

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be

> reversed.

> > > If

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

> Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being

> even,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the

> > > reverse

> > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u

> might

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay

> rebuffed

> > > me,

> > > > > > later

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

> > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional

> > > some

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all

> houses.

> > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have

> > > seen

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work

> in

> > > his

> > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> > > cumbersome

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri

> Patel

> > > has

> > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one

> must

> > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

> > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits,

> makes

> > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him

> fail

> > > too

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

> transits

> > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> > > traditional

> > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he

> > > won't

> > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

> > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

> > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

> > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

> collection

> > > of

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his

> house or

> > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that

> out I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I

> used

> > > to

> > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

> > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

> > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then,

> taken

> > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works

> as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

> > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book

> /

> > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in

> touch

> > > with

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how

> much

> > > you

> > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for

> > > many

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve

> Gowda

> > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing.

> Most

> > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of

> moon /

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more

> > > correct

> > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer

> using

> > > Indu

> > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful

> for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> > > consistent

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

> > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked

> as

> > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

> > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in

> the

> > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how

> > > much

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc &

> Indu

> > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain

> Yogi

> > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to

> late

> > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was

> novel,

> > > he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events

> Vim

> > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya,

> maybe u

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

> > > lagna),

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has

> to

> > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in

> trines

> > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from

> AL

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing &

> IL

> > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

> > > his.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into

> the

> > > old

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

> hear

> > > he

> > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji

> for

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath

> Hora

> > > (its

> > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

> > > different

> > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as

> chugh

> > > or

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below

> as

> > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

> > > settle

> > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth

> to

> > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

> > > master

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > > experimented

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas

> are

> > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

> > > like

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and

> how

> > > you

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

> > > emerging

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

> > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

> > > dasa

> > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or

> the

> > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in

> point,

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives

> in

> > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

> > > dasas

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4

> months

> > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift

> motion

> > > is

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns

> are

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on

> this

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

> > > later

> > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

> ignoring

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to

> use

> > > this

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know

> if

> > > IT

> > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> > > simplistic

> > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to

> see it

> > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

> > > years):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> opportunity

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of

> which

> > > has

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

> Rahu

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

> etc

> > > &

> > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

> > > Gordon

> > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

> > > know

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i

> don't

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the

> varga

> > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work,

> but

> > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

> parashar

> > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I

> believe

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they

> know

> > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa,

> anyways I

> > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though

> it

> > > has

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

> given

> > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa

> when

> > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

> > > child

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of

> children &

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic

> though I

> > > do

> > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

> direction

> > > in

> > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this

> Moon

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I

> read in

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and

> now

> > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

>

> > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of

> the

> > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

> understand I

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

> horoscope,

> > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when

> the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I

> get

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big)

> in

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore

> maraka

> > > for

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH

> THEM

> > > ITS

> > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals &

> also

> > > 8H

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child

> could

> > > or

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily

> the

> > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed

> in 8H

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones

> child

> > > (in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L

> of

> > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H

> of

> > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th

> lord

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house

> shows

> > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in

> all

> > > three

> > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all.

> These

> > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

> > > always

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major

> change

> > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

> events,like

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by

> all

> > > the

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> Ã,Â-- a

> > > planet

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord

> of

> > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always

> work.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so

> keep

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this

> dasa.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > > experimented

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa

> and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

> > > systems

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

December 8, 2006

Dear Chandrasekharji and Sunil,

I have been told several times that my posting is non technical and

the thread should stop, thereitself, because technical means talking

about complex theorems of astrology and complex theories not

discovered by common astrologers. But what do I see here ?

Constant continuation of thread on total non-astrological talks

not of advantage to any ordinary basic learner like myself nor others

like me.

What is the sense ?

One of You has to stop.

I request You Chandrasekharji to please stop further response to

such mails, and Mr.Suni I request you to please put in front of us

more technical principles of astrology which we do not know and which

we can study and make use of. But for Gods sake do not take space on

such type of Mails., taking

advantage of the kind Moderator and Owner of this Forum.

You both have been very diplomatic which has been the problem, If i

was one of you the thread would have stopped long back with my

utterances. So diplomacy does create a problem at times.

I again implore both of you to give all a break from this fiasco and

get down to something lighter and more palatable.

Yours friend and colleague,

Bhaskar.

n , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I do not see where I said that all Sagittarius are Vivekananda in

the

> exchange you quoted. Actually the reply suggests that I was

responding

> to some blanket statement like Sagittarius bing a racist sign. It

is

> also clear that I said that Vivekananda is Sagittarius and was not

> called as racist by any one. What is there to be confused about

that

> statement. How does that mean that a person of Sagittarius lagna

can not

> be a racist? I wish somebody who has done his Master in English

> language comments on whether what I am saying is right or not.

>

> So if you want to blame someone, for making gross statements, blame

the

> person who said Sagittarius sign is a racist sign.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > I made mistake of not telling full dialogue since I thought Aug

Sept was

> > clear in everyones mind & also urs. I made mistake of not

following the

> > Poora Naam (Full sentence/name) of Agneepath Movie so I only

quoted half

> > line since I had taken just the essence thinking we all remember

> >

> > This is what u wrote

> >

> > 1) > I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and

do not

> > know > where from your senior astrologer friend got that

reference. will

> > you

> > > please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius

> > rising and

> > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

> >

> > 2) Now we spent lot of days & example charts on the last line of

urs

> > which meant that since Swami Vivekanda is Sagi Lagna & was not a

racist,

> > all Sagi lagnas can never be RACIST. I posted 15 charts on

RACISTS & u

> > also replied to those mails though commented only on one chart

quoting

> > ADB website on authenticity of time of birth etc. Pradeep

supported u

> > which is nothing new on that one chart but refused to construct

the

> > other data of 15 charts, nor did anyone on this.

> >

> > 3) The issue which i tried to highlight was that generalisation

of such

> > things is the Incorrect Form of Astrology esp when it comes from

seniors

> > like u, but then nobody has the Guts on this list to acknowledge

that,

> > doing honest astrology is tough is what i have always written and

> > changing the course of a discussion to hide ones adequacies I

learn from

> > the list members

> >

> > Now someone writes that such generalisation is wrong when he in

the

> > first place displayed opposite. Ofcourse my offline phone calls

are

> > funny and full of fun when such mails are discussed among members

of

> > this very own list.

> >

> > anyways it is tough to do honest astrology & easy to do Clainism

as we

> > all needs such lists as Platforms so that when we come on stage

with our

> > one or two mails we get support (garlands) from other members,

lets

> > scratch each others back is what I also maybe indulged for 3 yrs

on VA

> > lists but realised I was dishonest to astrology.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I requested you to point out where I said so. It appears that

you seem

> > > to realize that I did not say that "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > Vivekanandas" as claimed by you. I trust you do not again

ascribe

> > quotes

> > > to me that I never uttered. By the way, I would not have

commented had

> > > you not ascribed the wrong quotes to me.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > did't we discuss it for long the generalisation of Sagi

lagnas all

> > being

> > > > vivekandas

> > > >

> > > > I do not want to start another round of discussions, it might

not be

> > > > exactly called a quote, but then we discussed it for long in

> > Aug/Sept

> > > > for more than 20 odd days. What i had meant by quote was just

short

> > form

> > > > of what u meant, sorry if it bothered. I should have

said "Swami

> > > > Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> > > > I do not remember anybody calling him racist." from ur mail

which I

> > will

> > > > send link later

> > > >

> > > > Our discussion was on Sagi lagna Generalisation which is what

I

> > opposed

> > > > since I have seen that a lot in the VA list from where it was

> > coming.

> > > >

> > > > I do not think so we have anything to talk to each other on

jyotish,

> > I

> > > > realised that long back unfortunately. U may pls ignore

reading my

> > mails

> > > > as I completely ignore reading mails of few members of this

list.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > Could you point out where I said "All Sagittarius lagnas are

> > > > > Vivekanandas" ? Please do not misrepresent what I said.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am

trying my

> > level

> > > > best

> > > > > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U

said

> > few

> > > > > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details

which I

> > had

> > > > > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of

Chandrashekhar

> > 'All

> > > > Sagi

> > > > > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts

from

> > Astro

> > > > Data

> > > > > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals,

> > rapists

> > > > etc &

> > > > > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U had said when u have time u would Erect the charts and

post ur

> > > > views

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%

40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi''

are not,

> > two

> > > > > > > Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the

question

> > below -

> > > > > > > from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also

going in

> > > > > > > parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi

chakra, then

> > it

> > > > > > > aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the

> > suggestion

> > > > > > > Vijaydas ji.??''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula

rashi

> > in

> > > > > > > rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the

navamsa,

> > > > > > > dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC

tradition)!!!.Wow

> > how

> > > > > > > can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? -

Two

> > > > > > > different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency

here

> > Sunil?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is

> > assumption

> > > > > > > of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula

rashi as

> > > > many.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is happening in reality? -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called

> > Tula.2)Saturn is

> > > > > > > Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then

doubts

> > > > > > > like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha

> > chakra''

> > > > > > > will arise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This Rashi can become different reference

> > > > points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

> > > > > > > Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having

> > > > amsha(Karakamsha)

> > > > > > > etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from

these

> > > > reference

> > > > > > > points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you

have

> > quoted

> > > > > > > from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam

clearly

> > > > > > > ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes

his

> > view

> > > > > > > point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate

> > charts).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from

grouping

> > > > > > > navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin

to

> > rashi

> > > > > > > chakra !!!.

> > > > > > > Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against

the

> > very

> > > > > > > fundamental definiton.Others having better

understanding can

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in

that

> > > > article,

> > > > > > > > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished

work

> > also

> > > > > > > comes out

> > > > > > > > it would help millions. u would do a great service to

> > astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate

between

> > > > someone

> > > > > > > > called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional

transits. Patel

> > > > Saheb

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > done us great work in bringing out the some fine

verses from

> > > > > > > Devakerelam

> > > > > > > > where divisional transits are quoted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > below is for those who do not believe anything in

astrology

> > > > unless

> > > > > > > > ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of

> > astrology

> > > > > > > we have

> > > > > > > > today are preserved.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I should ideally not be posting this as it is

someone's yet

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > released article but I hope his publisher is not on

this

> > list &

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > request people not to quote it till the article comes

out.

> > > > > > > > Divisional Transits

> > > > > > > > We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1

P.314,

> > verse

> > > > 3124

> > > > > > > > (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa

Rasi (Rasi

> > > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > > in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma

Rasi) or

> > the

> > > > sign

> > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native

suffers

> > from

> > > > > > > enemies,

> > > > > > > > mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3)

Humiliation

> > from

> > > > > > > Secret

> > > > > > > > Blemish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra

> > Navamsa

> > > > Rasi,

> > > > > > > > native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's

period and

> > will

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > termination of some running favorable yogaphala or

> > yogabhanga

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra

> > Navamsa

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Conclusion From Above Verses

> > > > > > > > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional

Transits can

> > be

> > > > > > > > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for

> > Marriage

> > > > > > > Matters

> > > > > > > > can see that the verses do not talk about anything to

do

> > with

> > > > > > > Marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on

the

> > list

> > > > has

> > > > > > > once

> > > > > > > > again increased and am trying to cut down on

responses &

> > retire

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have

> > observed,

> > > > > > > > > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 &

trine

> > from

> > > > AL,

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > changed residence for job.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it

can be

> > used

> > > > > > > > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th

movement from

> > A10

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > support job related changes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya

transits,

> > if

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > n

> > > > > > > > > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could

> > understand

> > > > > > > kakshya

> > > > > > > > > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used

this

> > long

> > > > > > > back. On

> > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider

Kakshya.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in

Astrological

> > Magazine

> > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if

anyone has

> > it

> > > > in

> > > > > > > handy

> > > > > > > > pls

> > > > > > > > > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it

in the

> > mess

> > > > of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > library that it is now.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am

copying the

> > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > from my library)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the

ascendant

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding

the Kalas

> > > > (see

> > > > > > > below)

> > > > > > > > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and

dividing the

> > total

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the

Moon

> > sign

> > > > > > > gives the

> > > > > > > > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the

planets

> > are

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8;

Jupiter

> > =

> > > > 10;

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The general principle may be further modified by

taking

> > into

> > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In

case

> > both

> > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be

made

> > > > > > > directly, but

> > > > > > > > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th

house

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the

> > ascendant

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted

> > directly

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10

kalas. For

> > > > Taurus

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the

> > reverse

> > > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas.

> > Similarly, if

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done

directly,

> > and

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be

> > reversed.

> > > > If

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final

> > Indu-Lagna is

> > > > > > > counted

> > > > > > > > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its

being

> > even,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is

in the

> > > > reverse

> > > > > > > > direction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all

houses u

> > might

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay

> > rebuffed

> > > > me,

> > > > > > > later

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao

who

> > > > > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > > > it in

> > > > > > > > > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too

traditional

> > > > some

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all

> > houses.

> > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses.

I have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in use.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done

good work

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > books,

> > > > > > > > > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it

> > > > cumbersome

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and

Shri

> > Patel

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > explained this in his book.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that

one

> > must

> > > > > > > master (I

> > > > > > > > > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses

it

> > > > > > > beautifully &

> > > > > > > > > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of

transits,

> > makes

> > > > > > > > spectacular

> > > > > > > > > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen

him

> > fail

> > > > too

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas &

> > transits

> > > > > > > together,

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > > in his

> > > > > > > > > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him

and he

> > > > won't

> > > > > > > budge

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > inch.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits

from Deve

> > > > > > > Keralam -

> > > > > > > > and then seen its application successfuly, by few

local

> > > > > > > astrologers. and

> > > > > > > > I have observed this working with reasonable success

rate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know

Santhanamjis

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > When he

> > > > > > > > > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was

> > collection

> > > > of

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > nadi

> > > > > > > > > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in

his

> > house or

> > > > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > > > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get

that

> > out I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > most interested to see it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times

(whenever I

> > used

> > > > to

> > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on

Nadi (had

> > > > > > > spoken to

> > > > > > > > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he

travelled to

> > > > > > > Varanasi for

> > > > > > > > that only. His magazine publishing related task was

then,

> > taken

> > > > > > > over by

> > > > > > > > some one else. May be they, got hold of his

unfinished works

> > as

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and

after

> > > > > > > shifting to

> > > > > > > > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On

Nadi book

> > /

> > > > > > > data - I

> > > > > > > > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still

in

> > touch

> > > > with

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > People don't care how much you know until they know

how

> > much

> > > > you

> > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

jyotish@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD

effortlessly for

> > > > many

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of

Deve

> > Gowda

> > > > > > > > > > Government).

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are

confusing.

> > Most

> > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign

of

> > moon /

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > (i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is

more

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > method.

> > > > > > > > > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an

astrologer

> > using

> > > > Indu

> > > > > > > > Lagna's

> > > > > > > > > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very

fruitful

> > for

> > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > gains.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get

> > > > consistent

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of

overriding

> > > > > > > principles).

> > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often

looked

> > as

> > > > > > > favourable

> > > > > > > > > > career period.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly

a very

> > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for

death in

> > the

> > > > > > > family.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> People don't care how much you know until they

know how

> > > > much

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > > > > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Transits from Arudha

Asc &

> > Indu

> > > > > > > > Lagna/Suneel

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji

(do not

> > > > > > > prefer it

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > >>> all).

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't

contain

> > Yogi

> > > > > > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > > > > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same

as

> > > > Santhanam,

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit

next to

> > late

> > > > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD

was

> > novel,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those

events

> > Vim

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with

Ramapriya,

> > maybe u

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL

(arudha

> > > > lagna),

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > >>> since there are many special rules re it but

one has

> > to

> > > > > > > > > > statistically

> > > > > > > > > >>> test it how much it works.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr

Sun in

> > trines

> > > > > > > to AL

> > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly &

also not

> > > > > > > working at

> > > > > > > > > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th

from

> > AL

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > job.

> > > > > > > > > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job

timing &

> > IL

> > > > > > > (indu

> > > > > > > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > > > > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old

articles of

> > > > his.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6

yrs into

> > the

> > > > old

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses

transits, I

> > hear

> > > > he

> > > > > > > uses

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not

over

> > > > emphasise

> > > > > > > > > > transits'

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and

chandrashekhar ji

> > for

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe

Jaganath

> > Hora

> > > > (its

> > > > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > >>>> for free download),

> > > > > > > > > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you

various

> > > > different

> > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast

KCD as

> > chugh

> > > > or

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>> Santhanam

> > > > > > > > > >>>> used it.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my

views below

> > as

> > > > > > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > > > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long

post so

> > > > settle

> > > > > > > back,

> > > > > > > > > >>> grab

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and

depth

> > to

> > > > > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly

tempted to

> > > > master

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > art

> > > > > > > > > >>>> as

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the

right

> > > > > > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> > > > experimented

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3

dasas

> > are

> > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> personally,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because

I would

> > > > like

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > >>> as

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your

approach and

> > how

> > > > you

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > >>> rate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> them Ã,Â-- so that we can see some consensus

> > > > emerging

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> dasa's

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular

and

> > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > > survived

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the

reason why a

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > >>> fell

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't

work or

> > the

> > > > > > > rules to

> > > > > > > > > >>> apply

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a

case in

> > point,

> > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa

thrives

> > in

> > > > > > > northern

> > > > > > > > > >>>> India

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I

place the

> > > > dasas

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>> play

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following

order-

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even

begin to

> > > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time

needs

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4

> > months

> > > > > > > timing

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's

swift

> > motion

> > > > is

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > >>> gives

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa

patterns

> > are

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > >>> unique

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the

top in my

> > > > > > > approach,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method

of

> > > > > > > calculation used

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good

book on

> > this

> > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > >>> The

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling

it, and

> > > > later

> > > > > > > I will

> > > > > > > > > >>> post

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have

realised

> > ignoring

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to

see to

> > use

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would

easily know

> > if

> > > > IT

> > > > > > > IS ,

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a

very

> > > > simplistic

> > > > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > > > >>> e.g

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my

end) to

> > see it

> > > > > > > quickly

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>> few

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group,

Paramayush = 86

> > > > years):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new

> > opportunity

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord

of

> > which

> > > > has

> > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>> self

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who

disposits

> > Rahu

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable

disease etc

> > etc

> > > > &

> > > > > > > GK-

> > > > > > > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to

Son of

> > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > Brown

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > >>> his

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of

KCD, do u

> > > > know

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > >>> software

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa

and i

> > don't

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from

the

> > varga

> > > > > > > lagnas.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > >>>> know

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would

work,

> > but

> > > > > > > for me,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the

way

> > parashar

> > > > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > > >>>> its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa

though I

> > believe

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > >>>> are

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n

they

> > know

> > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa,

> > anyways I

> > > > > > > do use

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra

though

> > it

> > > > has

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I

haven't

> > given

> > > > > > > it deep

> > > > > > > > > >>>> study.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon

Dasa

> > when

> > > > > > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > >>>> all

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad

events for

> > > > child

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Moon

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of

> > children &

> > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>> D7

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic

> > though I

> > > > do

> > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W

> > direction

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that

this

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I

think I

> > read in

> > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first

child, and

> > now

> > > > > > > this 3rd

> > > > > > > > > >>> child

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> >

> > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> effects

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the

position of

> > the

> > > > > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better

> > understand I

> > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > >>> yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal

> > horoscope,

> > > > > > > with each

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's

life when

> > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described

though I

> > get

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> use it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted

(something big)

> > in

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > >>> effecting

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore

> > maraka

> > > > for

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > >>> (from

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 5H)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE

WITH

> > THEM

> > > > ITS

> > > > > > > FINE,

> > > > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in

good

> > > > > > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the

soul):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of

hospitals &

> > also

> > > > 8H

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>> chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is

chronic

> > > > > > > diseasegiver

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to

child

> > could

> > > > or

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > >>> happen

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> this period

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things

indicate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate

easily

> > the

> > > > > > > Karmic

> > > > > > > > > >>> issues

> > > > > > > > > >>>> of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the

death like

> > > > > > > situation

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >>>> can

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK &

placed

> > in 8H

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>> 8th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to

ones

> > child

> > > > (in

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > >>> chart)

> > > > > > > > > >>>> we

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed

in 8H of

> > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is

the 6L

> > of

> > > > > > > > diseases,

> > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in

the 12H

> > of

> > > > > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of

children

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being

7th

> > lord

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th

house

> > shows

> > > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > > >>>> diseases

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing

something big

> > > > > > > disease, big

> > > > > > > > > >>> time

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu

Mars

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be

reflected in

> > all

> > > > three

> > > > > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at

all.

> > These

> > > > are

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >>>> hints-

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to

pass

> > > > always

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a

major

> > change

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death

etc.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and

what

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same

pattern

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major

> > events,like

> > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc.

Remember

> > > > > > > always that

> > > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be

shared by

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > >>>> who

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window"

as

> > > > > > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach

> > Ã,Â-- a

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> /--

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or

aspected by

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet

is lord

> > of

> > > > > > > lagna/5

> > > > > > > > > >>> th/9th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will

give good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > >>> on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will

always

> > work.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time

sensitive, so

> > keep

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > >>> mind,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> events like minor accidents,

disappointments, new

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with

this

> > dasa.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> > > > experimented

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara

dasa

> > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work

most

> > > > > > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what

dasa

> > > > systems

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >>> use

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate

them !

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > >>>

December 8, 2006

Friends

I am a very new member to this group .

Can I send Birth details / Charts etc, for members discussions on it ?

luv n Light

gupta_cal

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Chandrashekhar

Friday, December 08, 2006 11:22 PM

Re: Re: Divisional Transits - ancientreference/Vijayadas