Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear Sri Nalini This is a simple rule.Kindly give the chart so that we could see. 10th lords navamsha dispsoitor from couple of lagnas will have a say on profession.For each planet sage has specified a profession.Strength comparison mentioned ,is similar to usual comparisons - say between chandra & lagna etc. Thanks Pradeep , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear members, > I request clarification of the following, being *still* a beginner > for quite sometime.... > > If the 10th lord is(also the 7th lord)Jupiter is in Dhanus,the > navamnsha dispositor being venus, who is in the 8th, Capricorn? > In Navamsha, Jupiter and Venus are conjunct in Taurus lagna, > With the 10th house being, Pisces, again lorded by Jupiter, > 10th from Chandra(incidentally in 10th with Merc and Ketu conjuct) is > the 7th,Sagittarius, > The 7th and 10th lord Jupiter conjunct 9th lord, Saturn with digbala > (lord of the rasi of the Nav dispositor of Jup in Rasi Chakra) in > sagittarius, > The lagna lord deb in Pisces. > From Surya, 10th lord Mars, is in the Nav of Aries, in 8th,capricorn, > conjunct Venus, who is the 5th and 12th lord. > How would you arrive at a conclusion w.r.t to career/profession. > Would the biggies, Jup and Venus have the final say? > Would Saturn, Mars et al chip in too as there is a concentration of > planets in the 7th, 8th and the 10th houses and all of them seem to > be interconnected and I am running in circles... > Kindly bear with my limited mental faculties coupled with confusion, > ( I have not ventured into D10 or the Nakshatra dispositors ;-)) > > Thanks, > Nalini > > , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda@> > wrote: > > > > > > hi satish, you have raised an important point about the use of > > divisional charts and whether things are getting out of hand, > > based on my fairly long experience with jyotish, let me place > before > > you how i use vargas, observe and put to test- if you see it > working > > use it, if not forget it ! > > > > 1) the 12 house lords in the rasi chakra are the "only" 12 house > > lords, period. > > > > 2) the 12 houses exist in the varga chart, planets in them show > > results as per texts. > > > > for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi chakra and in > > kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and taurus navamsa, so > > its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very important charts. > > so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak and also as 1st > > house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based on d-9 lagna. > > > > hope its clear, > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > > > > > > > Suneel Hooda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha. > > > > > > Although I want to get opinions of other learned > > > members. I fell that this is the single most important > > > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and > > > internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts. It > > > has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a > > > forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas and > > > how they were meant to be used, we will be doing great > > > disservice to jyotish learning. > > > > > > In the example I gave and you replied to, > > > > > > Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not good > > > ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What you > > > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth > > > house( if you use houses in navansha) if the navansha > > > lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house of > > > navansha. > > > > > > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use > > > houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan > > > out in two different navansha houses. If you do not > > > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just > > > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna. > > > > > > Any comments are welcome > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > See the navamshas as miniature strips of the various > > > > rasis laid out across > > > > the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all > > > > through its 30-degree span. > > > > Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly > > > > comfortable in only some > > > > portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha within > > > > it isn't one of them as > > > > you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha points > > > > clues towards. > > > > > > > > Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one that's > > > > seemingly your gift for > > > > this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified behind > > > > blinds. The window might > > > > show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted, meditative, > > > > serene and all that sort > > > > of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted > > > > thing might be in the worst > > > > possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the > > > > debilitation sign in the > > > > rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to > > > > speak. It's the worst spot > > > > within the rasi for the planet to be in. Pffffft. > > > > It's a bit of a > > > > misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit is a > > > > matter of luck or > > > > fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya > > > > barometer. How you've > > > > behaved yourself the last time around is what's said > > > > to be reflected by the > > > > luck that planets bring for you; planetary dignity, > > > > some call it, not wholly > > > > without reason. > > > > > > > > Navamsha placements are used in different ways for > > > > different reasons. I use > > > > them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b) get an > > > > idea of how the dasa of > > > > that planet might pan out and © to make my > > > > readings look more complicated > > > > so that I can charge the gullibles more > > > > > > > > Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's > > > > nothing nice about Jup being > > > > in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery > > > > Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the > > > > navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement, > > > > 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > Hope this helped, > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha chart as > > > > a standalone. Good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > _______________ > > > Have a burning question? > > > Go to www.Answers. and get answers from real people who > > know. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Namaste Sri Satish This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in Phaldeepika and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary upon the same. In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other principles in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the name of the book. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > Dear Satish ji > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord of > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will have a > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on the > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The best > out of these will have final say. > > Thanks > Pradeep > <%40>, SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > You said > > >> > > For example > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > their rashi > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > have the say. > > >> > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > discuss these cases > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > provoking. > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > natal lagna and not > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > -Jupiter is a > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > and if for bhagya > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > we work with > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > all the > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > 9th house > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > difficulty > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > 9th lord too had > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > house effects > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > the 4th is thus > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > rashi chakra,if > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > planetary > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > dispositions,apart from > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > use the > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > their rashi > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > have the say. > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > some astrologers > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > this > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > show strength > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > lagna is > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > rashi > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > guru is > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > of > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > for > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > addressing > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > it is > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > you > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > how > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > from > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > it is > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > will > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > to > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > the > > > > > combination of > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > natal > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > people.If > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > it > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > plug > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > aries,bulb > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > navamsha > > > > > slot within > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > Rashi > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > leads > > > > > to a particular > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > navamsha > > > > > within aries and > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > cyclical > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > "D > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > thinks > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > _______________ > > Cheap talk? > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > http://voice. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear Bharat, Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving planets with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. For those interested. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Satish > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in Phaldeepika > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary upon the > same. > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other principles > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the name of the > book. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord of > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will have a > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on the > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The best > > out of these will have final say. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > <%40>, SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > You said > > > >> > > > For example > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > their rashi > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > have the say. > > > >> > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > provoking. > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > we work with > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > all the > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > 9th house > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > difficulty > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > house effects > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > planetary > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > use the > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > their rashi > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > some astrologers > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > this > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > show strength > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > lagna is > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > rashi > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > guru is > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > of > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > for > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > addressing > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > it is > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > you > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > how > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > from > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > it is > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > will > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > to > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > the > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > natal > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > people.If > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > it > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > plug > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > navamsha > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > Rashi > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > leads > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > navamsha > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > cyclical > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > "D > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > thinks > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _______________ > > > Cheap talk? > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear All, The best results to find out which career one should take is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones life, and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has to be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth time. regards, Bhaskar. , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving planets > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > For those interested. > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > Phaldeepika > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary > upon the > > same. > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other > principles > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > name of the > > book. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord of > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will have a > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on the > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The best > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > You said > > > > >> > > > > For example > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > their rashi > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > have the say. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > provoking. > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > we work with > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > all the > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > 9th house > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > difficulty > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > house effects > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > planetary > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > use the > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > their rashi > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > this > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > show strength > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > rashi > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > guru is > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > of > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > for > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > addressing > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > it is > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > you > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > how > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > from > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > it is > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > will > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > to > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > the > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > natal > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > it > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > plug > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > leads > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > "D > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > _______________ > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear Ash ji Thanks for the pdf.I remember reading this long back(forwarded by you). Saturn link is interesting.Dr.B.V.Raman says Saturn relating to 10th house through numerous vargas gives theif indications. Krushna ji is also mentioning the same.Though in a dfferent way. He is looking for vargas ruled by saturn while Dr.Raman is looking for Saturnian Vargas in the 10th house.Thus in both the cases Saturnian connection is clear. Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled by saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused. I feel ''theif'' is as well misuing extra intelligence.Thus it proves that saturn has a say in intelligence matters. Though divisional ''chart'' is mentioned in your article,you may clearly see that,it is the ''divisions'' that are made use of. The rest of the article is also useful. Thank you Pradeep , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving planets > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > For those interested. > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > Phaldeepika > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary > upon the > > same. > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other > principles > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > name of the > > book. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord of > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will have a > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on the > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The best > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > You said > > > > >> > > > > For example > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > their rashi > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > have the say. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > provoking. > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > we work with > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > all the > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > 9th house > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > difficulty > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > house effects > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > planetary > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > use the > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > their rashi > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > this > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > show strength > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > rashi > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > guru is > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > of > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > for > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > addressing > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > it is > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > you > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > how > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > from > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > it is > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > will > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > to > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > the > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > natal > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > it > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > plug > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > leads > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > "D > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > _______________ > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the best career varies. Thanks Pradeep , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear All, > > The best results to find out which career one should take > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones life, > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has to > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth time. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > planets > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > For those interested. > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > Phaldeepika > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary > > upon the > > > same. > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other > > principles > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > > name of the > > > book. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord > of > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > have a > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on > the > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The > best > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > >> > > > > > For example > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > all the > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > use the > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > this > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > of > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > you > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > how > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > will > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > "D > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > _______________ > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dear Pradeep, You wrote Quote "Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled by saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused." End Quote. The interpretation is not entirely correct. In the lesson its given that if there Lagna, Sun and Moon are falling in more than 3 sectors of Sa in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa AND IF Sa is samdharmi to Moon then there are more chances that the intellegence might be put to misuse. So in essence, Sa is karak for intellegence. If Sun, Moon and lagna are falling in 3 sectors then a person is brilliant, has photographic memory and in more than 3 sectors this quality is enhanced even more. Such persons cant forget things. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Ash ji > > Thanks for the pdf.I remember reading this long back(forwarded by > you). > Saturn link is interesting.Dr.B.V.Raman says Saturn relating to 10th > house through numerous vargas gives theif indications. > Krushna ji is also mentioning the same.Though in a dfferent way. > He is looking for vargas ruled by saturn while Dr.Raman is looking > for Saturnian Vargas in the 10th house.Thus in both the cases > Saturnian connection is clear. > > Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled by > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused. > > I feel ''theif'' is as well misuing extra intelligence.Thus it proves > that saturn has a say in intelligence matters. > > Though divisional ''chart'' is mentioned in your article,you may > clearly see that,it is the ''divisions'' that are made use of. > > The rest of the article is also useful. > > Thank you > Pradeep > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > planets > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > For those interested. > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > Phaldeepika > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary > > upon the > > > same. > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other > > principles > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > > name of the > > > book. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord > of > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > have a > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on > the > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The > best > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > >> > > > > > For example > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > all the > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > use the > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > this > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > of > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > you > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > how > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > will > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > "D > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > _______________ > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Dear Ash ji Thanks for the correction.I had overlooked the clause-Samadharmi. Did read chapter 8 or so,and Samadharmi- apart from being in same sign and constellation can also be planets in mutual kendras(4/10 for example) with one among them acting as a karaka for the other. Another doubt - in general if lord of a house goes to 8th from it,it is seen as bad.In the lessons 8th house from a house is shown as a significator /effective house.why is it so. Thanks Pradeep , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > You wrote Quote > > "Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled by > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused." > > End Quote. > > The interpretation is not entirely correct. In the lesson its given > that if there Lagna, Sun and Moon are falling in more than 3 sectors > of Sa in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa AND IF Sa is samdharmi to > Moon then there are more chances that the intellegence might be put to > misuse. > > So in essence, Sa is karak for intellegence. If Sun, Moon and lagna > are falling in 3 sectors then a person is brilliant, has photographic > memory and in more than 3 sectors this quality is enhanced even more. > > Such persons cant forget things. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > Thanks for the pdf.I remember reading this long back(forwarded by > > you). > > Saturn link is interesting.Dr.B.V.Raman says Saturn relating to 10th > > house through numerous vargas gives theif indications. > > Krushna ji is also mentioning the same.Though in a dfferent way. > > He is looking for vargas ruled by saturn while Dr.Raman is looking > > for Saturnian Vargas in the 10th house.Thus in both the cases > > Saturnian connection is clear. > > > > Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled by > > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas > > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused. > > > > I feel ''theif'' is as well misuing extra intelligence.Thus it proves > > that saturn has a say in intelligence matters. > > > > Though divisional ''chart'' is mentioned in your article,you may > > clearly see that,it is the ''divisions'' that are made use of. > > > > The rest of the article is also useful. > > > > Thank you > > Pradeep > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > planets > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > Phaldeepika > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his commentary > > > upon the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 other > > > principles > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > > > name of the > > > > book. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord > > of > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > have a > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on > > the > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The > > best > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40>, > > > > > "D > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Dear Pradeep, Please do not add ji as a post fix. Ash will do just fine. Pradeep, technicalities of KAS, I would prefer to discuss that on KAS list, as there might be various posts that I can refer u to in the archives where such things have been discussed and the students there can also benefit from it. Pradeep, I have also seen you debate the house, kshetra, divisional charts etc, I do not know if, the way we study all this as per KAS system, maybe u might find some answers to those questions if u understand the theory portion in KAS. I don't mean to be rude to the list members, however If you so like we can take this discussion over to KAS list, where in I can refer to the house as per the KAS convention, which might not be understood by the list members here or it might get too difficult to explain each thing of the system here. I hope yo understand. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Ash ji > > Thanks for the correction.I had overlooked the clause-Samadharmi. > Did read chapter 8 or so,and Samadharmi- apart from being in same > sign and constellation can also be planets in mutual kendras(4/10 for > example) with one among them acting as a karaka for the other. > > Another doubt - in general if lord of a house goes to 8th from it,it > is seen as bad.In the lessons 8th house from a house is shown as a > significator /effective house.why is it so. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > You wrote Quote > > > > "Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled > by > > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas > > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused." > > > > End Quote. > > > > The interpretation is not entirely correct. In the lesson its given > > that if there Lagna, Sun and Moon are falling in more than 3 sectors > > of Sa in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa AND IF Sa is samdharmi to > > Moon then there are more chances that the intellegence might be put > to > > misuse. > > > > So in essence, Sa is karak for intellegence. If Sun, Moon and lagna > > are falling in 3 sectors then a person is brilliant, has > photographic > > memory and in more than 3 sectors this quality is enhanced even > more. > > > > Such persons cant forget things. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > Thanks for the pdf.I remember reading this long back(forwarded by > > > you). > > > Saturn link is interesting.Dr.B.V.Raman says Saturn relating to > 10th > > > house through numerous vargas gives theif indications. > > > Krushna ji is also mentioning the same.Though in a dfferent way. > > > He is looking for vargas ruled by saturn while Dr.Raman is > looking > > > for Saturnian Vargas in the 10th house.Thus in both the cases > > > Saturnian connection is clear. > > > > > > Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled > by > > > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three > vargas > > > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused. > > > > > > I feel ''theif'' is as well misuing extra intelligence.Thus it > proves > > > that saturn has a say in intelligence matters. > > > > > > Though divisional ''chart'' is mentioned in your article,you may > > > clearly see that,it is the ''divisions'' that are made use of. > > > > > > The rest of the article is also useful. > > > > > > Thank you > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > planets > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > commentary > > > > upon the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > other > > > > principles > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > the > > > > name of the > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > lord > > > of > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > have a > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > in/on > > > the > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > usual.The > > > best > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Shri Pradeepji, Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less on the Forums, and more occupied with my regular business activities. Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or for even better. I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based readings. Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting unnecessary discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom I respect very much. The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with fortunate birth charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva punya karma, and most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- incides with the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming MahaDasha of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu MahaDasha entering their lives. The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and is still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people who know him, but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may not have favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he is busy handling his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath palace and earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and Singapore. Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 all the 50 Malls of Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and earning uptil Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was serving only as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 Lakh per annum and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden change ? Just one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter (Sagittarius Lagna) (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and 9th house simultaneously. At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the native.If he had been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new MahaDasha he may start manufacturing of the same. In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as and when Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what one would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not doing well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a Kirana (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is doing well financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his small office during the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people are turning more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for money making around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 businessess in the same period. In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then suddenly jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my wildest dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big wigs in Bombay who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of Finance or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my certification from the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this certification. I also earn some money through astrology which again I started professionaly a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for me one year back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for Consultations all these years. I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and houses involved , which would give a person a different career with different changes in his MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would not be needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your journey through this divine science. If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us the clue very well to match with the natives own written destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. Best wishes, Bhaskar. P.S. Sorry for the long mail. , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > best career varies. > > Thanks > Pradeep > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > life, > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has to > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > time. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > planets > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > Phaldeepika > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > commentary > > > upon the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > other > > > principles > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > > > name of the > > > > book. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > lord > > of > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > have a > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > in/on > > the > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The > > best > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40>, > > > > > "D > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Bhaskar, Thank you for your detailed email. I would urge you to post the list of 150 lines of profession on the forum. Perhaps you could post in the Files section. Which dasa are you running? Which house does it rule? --Radha , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Pradeepji, > > Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less > on the Forums, and > more occupied with my regular business activities. > > Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or > for even better. > I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based > readings. > Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting > unnecessary > discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom > I respect > very much. > > The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with > fortunate birth > charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva > punya karma, and > most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- > incides with > the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. > For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. > We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming > MahaDasha > of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu > MahaDasha > entering their lives. > > The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . > I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and > is > still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people > who know him, > but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may > not have > favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he > is busy handling > his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath > palace and > earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and > Singapore. > Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? > I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 > all the 50 Malls of > Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and > earning uptil > Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was > serving only > as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 > Lakh per annum > and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden > change ? Just > one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter > (Sagittarius Lagna) > (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha > Mahapurusha) > is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and > 9th house > simultaneously. > > At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the > native.If he had > been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new > MahaDasha he may > start manufacturing of the same. > > In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as > and when > Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what > one > would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not > doing > well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a > Kirana > (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is > doing well > financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his > small office during > the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. > > Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people > are turning > more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for > money making > around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 > businessess > in the same period. > > In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then > suddenly > jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my > wildest > dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big > wigs in Bombay > who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years > back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of > Finance > or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my > certification from > the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this > certification. > I also earn some money through astrology which again I started > professionaly > a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time > doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for > me one year > back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for > Consultations > all these years. > > I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and > houses involved , > which would give a person a different career with different changes > in his > MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. > > If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would > not be > needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in > professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your > journey > through this divine science. > > If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies > his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC > or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to > operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part > of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us > the clue very well to match with the natives own written > destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no > space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains > of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > P.S. Sorry for the long mail. > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > > best career varies. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > > life, > > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has > to > > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > > time. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > planets > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > commentary > > > > upon the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > other > > > > principles > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > the > > > > name of the > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > lord > > > of > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > have a > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > in/on > > > the > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > usual.The > > > best > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veera Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 As per the Astro Rules,The planets which occupies the hidden houses or which attains a debilitation in Navamsha does not give any favouring results.The benefic/ malefic results of a particular planet -in consideration,should be summed up,by looking at its position in Navamsha too. ex: If a planet is in very good positon in Rashi but not so in navamsha ,will give a normal effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Dear Radha, Yes I will surely do this as and when time permits me this week. I have to copy this from the sheets given to me by one of my Gurus, and type without committing any mistakes. I am running Mars MahaDasha (Leo Ascendant),Mars is in Leo deep conjunct with Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu which is in 7th house. But both these planets change Bhava in BHava Chalit. Mars goes to 12th Bhava,as owner of 9th (Also denotes advisory and free consultations)and Ketu also goes to 6th (denoting Income through Brokerage). regards, Bhaskar. , "aphoton47" <aphoton wrote: > > Bhaskar, > > Thank you for your detailed email. I would urge you to post the list > of 150 lines of profession on the forum. Perhaps you could post in > the Files section. Which dasa are you running? Which house does it rule? > > --Radha > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Shri Pradeepji, > > > > Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less > > on the Forums, and > > more occupied with my regular business activities. > > > > Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or > > for even better. > > I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based > > readings. > > Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting > > unnecessary > > discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom > > I respect > > very much. > > > > The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with > > fortunate birth > > charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva > > punya karma, and > > most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- > > incides with > > the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. > > For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. > > We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming > > MahaDasha > > of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu > > MahaDasha > > entering their lives. > > > > The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . > > I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and > > is > > still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people > > who know him, > > but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may > > not have > > favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he > > is busy handling > > his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath > > palace and > > earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and > > Singapore. > > Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? > > I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 > > all the 50 Malls of > > Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and > > earning uptil > > Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was > > serving only > > as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 > > Lakh per annum > > and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden > > change ? Just > > one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter > > (Sagittarius Lagna) > > (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha > > Mahapurusha) > > is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and > > 9th house > > simultaneously. > > > > At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the > > native.If he had > > been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new > > MahaDasha he may > > start manufacturing of the same. > > > > In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as > > and when > > Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what > > one > > would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not > > doing > > well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a > > Kirana > > (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is > > doing well > > financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his > > small office during > > the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. > > > > Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people > > are turning > > more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for > > money making > > around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 > > businessess > > in the same period. > > > > In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then > > suddenly > > jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my > > wildest > > dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big > > wigs in Bombay > > who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years > > back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of > > Finance > > or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my > > certification from > > the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this > > certification. > > I also earn some money through astrology which again I started > > professionaly > > a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time > > doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for > > me one year > > back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for > > Consultations > > all these years. > > > > I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and > > houses involved , > > which would give a person a different career with different changes > > in his > > MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. > > > > If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would > > not be > > needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in > > professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your > > journey > > through this divine science. > > > > If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies > > his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC > > or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to > > operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part > > of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us > > the clue very well to match with the natives own written > > destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no > > space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains > > of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > P.S. Sorry for the long mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > > > best career varies. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > > > life, > > > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has > > to > > > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > > > time. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > > planets > > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > > commentary > > > > > upon the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > > other > > > > > principles > > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > > the > > > > > name of the > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > > have a > > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > > in/on > > > > the > > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > > usual.The > > > > best > > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Dear Radha, Yes I will surely do this as and when time permits me this week. I have to copy this from the sheets given to me by one of my Gurus, and type without committing any mistakes. I am running Mars MahaDasha (Leo Ascendant),Mars is in Leo deep conjunct with Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu which is in 7th house. But both these planets change Bhava in BHava Chalit. Mars goes to 12th Bhava,as owner of 9th (Also denotes advisory and free consultations)and Ketu also goes to 6th (denoting Income through Brokerage). regards, Bhaskar. , "aphoton47" <aphoton wrote: > > Bhaskar, > > Thank you for your detailed email. I would urge you to post the list > of 150 lines of profession on the forum. Perhaps you could post in > the Files section. Which dasa are you running? Which house does it rule? > > --Radha > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Shri Pradeepji, > > > > Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less > > on the Forums, and > > more occupied with my regular business activities. > > > > Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or > > for even better. > > I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based > > readings. > > Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting > > unnecessary > > discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom > > I respect > > very much. > > > > The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with > > fortunate birth > > charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva > > punya karma, and > > most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- > > incides with > > the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. > > For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. > > We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming > > MahaDasha > > of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu > > MahaDasha > > entering their lives. > > > > The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . > > I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and > > is > > still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people > > who know him, > > but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may > > not have > > favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he > > is busy handling > > his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath > > palace and > > earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and > > Singapore. > > Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? > > I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 > > all the 50 Malls of > > Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and > > earning uptil > > Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was > > serving only > > as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 > > Lakh per annum > > and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden > > change ? Just > > one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter > > (Sagittarius Lagna) > > (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha > > Mahapurusha) > > is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and > > 9th house > > simultaneously. > > > > At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the > > native.If he had > > been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new > > MahaDasha he may > > start manufacturing of the same. > > > > In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as > > and when > > Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what > > one > > would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not > > doing > > well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a > > Kirana > > (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is > > doing well > > financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his > > small office during > > the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. > > > > Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people > > are turning > > more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for > > money making > > around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 > > businessess > > in the same period. > > > > In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then > > suddenly > > jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my > > wildest > > dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big > > wigs in Bombay > > who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years > > back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of > > Finance > > or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my > > certification from > > the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this > > certification. > > I also earn some money through astrology which again I started > > professionaly > > a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time > > doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for > > me one year > > back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for > > Consultations > > all these years. > > > > I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and > > houses involved , > > which would give a person a different career with different changes > > in his > > MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. > > > > If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would > > not be > > needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in > > professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your > > journey > > through this divine science. > > > > If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies > > his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC > > or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to > > operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part > > of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us > > the clue very well to match with the natives own written > > destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no > > space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains > > of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > P.S. Sorry for the long mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > > > best career varies. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > > > life, > > > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has > > to > > > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > > > time. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > > planets > > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > > commentary > > > > > upon the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > > other > > > > > principles > > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > > the > > > > > name of the > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > > have a > > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > > in/on > > > > the > > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > > usual.The > > > > best > > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 dear bhasker you should not be sorry about the long mail. i enjoyed reading it. well yes i agree with you about the rahu maha dasa part. i have looked at charts who have lost wealth even before their rahu MD could properly start and some who just turned into really wealthy people at the onset of it. have you heard the popular saying which goes round in astro circles - if rahu gives in the beginning he takes away in the end (of his MD!). but this one is connected only with one's material possessions. i hope and god forbid if it were to be connected with marriage as rahu is a marriage giver and it will be a pity if he were to take away the spouse at the end of his MD! hiding behind a smoky screen he does seem to create an aura, an enigma about the 'give and take' part of his nature. i come across people saying "i have some good news and some bad" some proceed to tell the good one first and the bad later, and some go the other way round. typical of rahu MD too i guess. we could perhaps petition rahu to give only one shock (the pleasant one) only as we poor souls cannot bear two in one MD! but there is always light at the end of the tunnel if one outlives the rahu MD of 18 long years as jupiter is at hand to clear the mist and smoke and lead the poor soul into light and knowledge! provided this jupiter is a functional benefic, is well placed, in a friendly rasi, has good company, not in 2/12, 6/8 to any of those remaining planets, etc, dont forget to thank parashara maharishi for giving relief in the form of antars, pratyantars....in those major periods! best wishes mahalakshmi haskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Shri Pradeepji, Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less on the Forums, and more occupied with my regular business activities. Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or for even better. I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based readings. Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting unnecessary discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom I respect very much. The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with fortunate birth charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva punya karma, and most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- incides with the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming MahaDasha of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu MahaDasha entering their lives. The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and is still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people who know him, but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may not have favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he is busy handling his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath palace and earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and Singapore. Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 all the 50 Malls of Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and earning uptil Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was serving only as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 Lakh per annum and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden change ? Just one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter (Sagittarius Lagna) (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and 9th house simultaneously. At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the native.If he had been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new MahaDasha he may start manufacturing of the same. In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as and when Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what one would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not doing well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a Kirana (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is doing well financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his small office during the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people are turning more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for money making around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 businessess in the same period. In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then suddenly jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my wildest dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big wigs in Bombay who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of Finance or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my certification from the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this certification. I also earn some money through astrology which again I started professionaly a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for me one year back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for Consultations all these years. I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and houses involved , which would give a person a different career with different changes in his MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would not be needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your journey through this divine science. If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us the clue very well to match with the natives own written destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. Best wishes, Bhaskar. P.S. Sorry for the long mail. , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > best career varies. > > Thanks > Pradeep > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > life, > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has to > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > time. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > planets > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > Phaldeepika > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > commentary > > > upon the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > other > > > principles > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember the > > > name of the > > > > book. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > lord > > of > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > have a > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > in/on > > the > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The > > best > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40>, > > > > > "D > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Dear Ash Thanks for the explanation. Yes i understand how difficult it would be for you to explain KAS over here as it is another system.If it is not difficult ,you may point towards the archives were specific questions like houses are addressed.(Private or here). Regds Pradeep , "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > Please do not add ji as a post fix. Ash will do just fine. > > Pradeep, technicalities of KAS, I would prefer to discuss that on KAS > list, as there might be various posts that I can refer u to in the > archives where such things have been discussed and the students there > can also benefit from it. > > Pradeep, I have also seen you debate the house, kshetra, divisional > charts etc, I do not know if, the way we study all this as per KAS > system, maybe u might find some answers to those questions if u > understand the theory portion in KAS. > > I don't mean to be rude to the list members, however If you so like we > can take this discussion over to KAS list, where in I can refer to the > house as per the KAS convention, which might not be understood by the > list members here or it might get too difficult to explain each thing > of the system here. > > I hope yo understand. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > Thanks for the correction.I had overlooked the clause-Samadharmi. > > Did read chapter 8 or so,and Samadharmi- apart from being in same > > sign and constellation can also be planets in mutual kendras(4/10 for > > example) with one among them acting as a karaka for the other. > > > > Another doubt - in general if lord of a house goes to 8th from it,it > > is seen as bad.In the lessons 8th house from a house is shown as a > > significator /effective house.why is it so. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > You wrote Quote > > > > > > "Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled > > by > > > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three vargas > > > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused." > > > > > > End Quote. > > > > > > The interpretation is not entirely correct. In the lesson its given > > > that if there Lagna, Sun and Moon are falling in more than 3 sectors > > > of Sa in Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa AND IF Sa is samdharmi to > > > Moon then there are more chances that the intellegence might be put > > to > > > misuse. > > > > > > So in essence, Sa is karak for intellegence. If Sun, Moon and lagna > > > are falling in 3 sectors then a person is brilliant, has > > photographic > > > memory and in more than 3 sectors this quality is enhanced even > > more. > > > > > > Such persons cant forget things. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for the pdf.I remember reading this long back (forwarded by > > > > you). > > > > Saturn link is interesting.Dr.B.V.Raman says Saturn relating to > > 10th > > > > house through numerous vargas gives theif indications. > > > > Krushna ji is also mentioning the same.Though in a dfferent way. > > > > He is looking for vargas ruled by saturn while Dr.Raman is > > looking > > > > for Saturnian Vargas in the 10th house.Thus in both the cases > > > > Saturnian connection is clear. > > > > > > > > Krushna ji mentions ,if lagna/moon/sun is found in 3 vargas ruled > > by > > > > saturn one is very intelligent.If they are in more than three > > vargas > > > > ruled by saturn,intelligence is misused. > > > > > > > > I feel ''theif'' is as well misuing extra intelligence.Thus it > > proves > > > > that saturn has a say in intelligence matters. > > > > > > > > Though divisional ''chart'' is mentioned in your article,you may > > > > clearly see that,it is the ''divisions'' that are made use of. > > > > > > > > The rest of the article is also useful. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > > planets > > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > commentary > > > > > upon the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > other > > > > > principles > > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > > the > > > > > name of the > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > > have a > > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > in/on > > > > the > > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > > usual.The > > > > best > > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <% 40>, > > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Bhaskar ji Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation. Many a times we will be doing something for a living.Thus as shown in the examples,when the right dasha manifests,one may be able to express oneself,if HIS grace is present. Thus your points are correct - for an artist, if Venus dasha with powerful Venus is got at proper age ....nothing more to tell. It would be helpful if you share some charts ,at your convenience,for learning purpose. Rahu dasha i feel behaves perfectly in sync with associated house,planets and aspects.Only thing is one should be able to differentiate betwen Rajayogas and ill-effects.Same combination will behave in 2 different fashion based on multiple roles. For example,i have observed that,exalted sun as 11th lord in the 7th can give health difficulties for 7th house/sign organs/area during its antara etc when combined with transits(Sun is krura and 11th lord).Simultaneously if there is a Rajayoga formed then one will experience that as well. Thanks Pradeep , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Pradeepji, > > Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less > on the Forums, and > more occupied with my regular business activities. > > Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or > for even better. > I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based > readings. > Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting > unnecessary > discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom > I respect > very much. > > The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with > fortunate birth > charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva > punya karma, and > most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- > incides with > the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. > For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. > We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming > MahaDasha > of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu > MahaDasha > entering their lives. > > The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . > I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and > is > still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people > who know him, > but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may > not have > favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he > is busy handling > his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath > palace and > earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and > Singapore. > Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? > I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 > all the 50 Malls of > Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and > earning uptil > Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was > serving only > as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 > Lakh per annum > and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden > change ? Just > one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter > (Sagittarius Lagna) > (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha > Mahapurusha) > is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and > 9th house > simultaneously. > > At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the > native.If he had > been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new > MahaDasha he may > start manufacturing of the same. > > In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as > and when > Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what > one > would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not > doing > well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a > Kirana > (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is > doing well > financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his > small office during > the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. > > Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people > are turning > more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for > money making > around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 > businessess > in the same period. > > In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then > suddenly > jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my > wildest > dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big > wigs in Bombay > who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years > back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of > Finance > or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my > certification from > the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this > certification. > I also earn some money through astrology which again I started > professionaly > a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time > doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for > me one year > back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for > Consultations > all these years. > > I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and > houses involved , > which would give a person a different career with different changes > in his > MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. > > If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would > not be > needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in > professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your > journey > through this divine science. > > If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies > his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC > or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to > operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part > of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us > the clue very well to match with the natives own written > destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no > space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains > of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > P.S. Sorry for the long mail. > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > > best career varies. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > > life, > > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has > to > > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > > time. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > planets > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > commentary > > > > upon the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > other > > > > principles > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > the > > > > name of the > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > lord > > > of > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > have a > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > in/on > > > the > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > usual.The > > > best > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Dear Mahalakshmi, (This was written long back lying in my Drafts folder ,posting today) You have said it all in that mail of Yours. //If rahu is a marriage giver and it will be a pity if he were to take away the spouse at the end of his MD! // Depends if it is is a blessing for the spouse or pity. Ha Ha. // i have some good news and some bad" some proceed to tell the good one first and the bad later, and some go the other way round. typical of rahu MD too i guess. // Not just Rahu, but total existence is bound by the law of Duality. Rahu and Saturn are actually pointed out and remembered because of the intensity of the actions and punishment routed by them respectively. But one should never forget that what Saturn gives, no power on earth can take away from the native, whther rewards or punishment. // we could perhaps petition rahu to give only one shock (the pleasant one) only as we poor souls cannot bear two in one MD! // Planets are just the instruments for inflicting the shocks, for which we ourselves are the cause. If we need a cold and longlasting shock as per our bad karmas then Saturn Dasha will provide that, if punishment has to come in form of inflammations and malignant tumours then Jupiter Dasha will provide that, if punishment has to come in quickness, fast and swift with no time or recourse for the native to think, then Rahu and Mars will give that in their Dashas. Mars may cause surgery while Rahu may cause both surgery bloodshed,accidents and what not. Same for the other planets. But these planets who are the Manifestations of the Supreme God as we all know also have their good sides too. The Planet Ketu for ex.which is supposed to give malignancy when in close conjunction with moon and Jup and Saturn, this same Ketu is the Ruling Planet for Satyam Loka which is the final abode when all the petals of the Sahsahra Chakra are opened by any divinity in human race. In Rahu the manifestations are restless desires and lust. Due to its unsatiable dsires and mental excitements it receives, various experiences and sufferances that ultimately tend towards renouncements. // but there is always light at the end of the tunnel if one outlives the rahu MD of 18 long years as jupiter is at hand to clear the mist and smoke and lead the poor soul into light and knowledge! provided this jupiter is a functional benefic, is well placed, in a friendly rasi, has good company, not in 2/12, 6/8 to any of those remaining planets, etc, dont forget to thank parashara maharishi for giving relief in the form of antars, pratyantars....in those major periods! // No Dasha is bad completely neither any Dasha good completely.We cannot remain Romantic the whole day, perhaps only in the evening if some good soul in a good body sits near us holding our hand and talking sweetly to us, we cannot remain in a morose mood the whole day, we cannot remain in the same emotion constantly for long, so with Dashas. But again do not forget what Jupiter will give, again Saturn will take back, but in both cases Jupiter will reward only if the person is worth it, and Saturn will again punish only for the past paap karmas, and once Saturn rewards then that reward no other planet can take away from You, whatever Dasha may come. So better to be good and blame ourselves for all bad effects received in various Dasha and thank God for the rewards received in all the Dashas. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi wrote: > > dear bhasker > you should not be sorry about the long mail. i enjoyed reading it. > well yes i agree with you about the rahu maha dasa part. i have looked at charts who have lost wealth even before their rahu MD could properly start and some who just turned into really wealthy people at the onset of it. > have you heard the popular saying which goes round in astro circles - if rahu gives in the beginning he takes away in the end (of his MD!). but this one is connected only with one's material possessions. i hope and god forbid if it were to be connected with marriage as rahu is a marriage giver and it will be a pity if he were to take away the spouse at the end of his MD! > hiding behind a smoky screen he does seem to create an aura, an enigma about the 'give and take' part of his nature. i come across people saying "i have some good news and some bad" some proceed to tell the good one first and the bad later, and some go the other way round. typical of rahu MD too i guess. we could perhaps petition rahu to give only one shock (the pleasant one) only as we poor souls cannot bear two in one MD! > but there is always light at the end of the tunnel if one outlives the rahu MD of 18 long years as jupiter is at hand to clear the mist and smoke and lead the poor soul into light and knowledge! provided this jupiter is a functional benefic, is well placed, in a friendly rasi, has good company, not in 2/12, 6/8 to any of those remaining planets, etc, dont forget to thank parashara maharishi for giving relief in the form of antars, pratyantars....in those major periods! > best wishes > mahalakshmi > > > > > haskar_jyotish wrote: > Shri Pradeepji, > > Sorry for replying little late, because these days I am working less > on the Forums, and > more occupied with my regular business activities. > > Certainly at times the best of careers may change for the worse or > for even better. > I am now talking with experience of reading charts and not book based > readings. > Because to utter any nonsense here on this Forum would mean inviting > unnecessary > discussions from the expert astrologers of this auspicious Forum whom > I respect > very much. > > The best of careers do not change normally to the best of men with > fortunate birth > charts as they are given full benefits of their accumlated poorva > punya karma, and > most of the times of their prime working age , the MahaDasha co- > incides with > the significators, which the 10th Cusp Sublord also shows identical. > For the rest its either going to worse or better as fate pulls them. > We certainly know many have become paupers,Bankrupt with oncoming > MahaDasha > of Rahu for example and many have become billionares with same Rahu > MahaDasha > entering their lives. > > The MahaDasha has a major role to play during the ages of 25-55 . > I know of a Person in Chandnichowk in Delhi who had studied MBBS and > is > still till today at the age of 52 called as Doctor Sahab by people > who know him, > but his studies have gone in vain, because probably the MahaDasha may > not have > favoured him to take a career as a Doctor, because since age of 25 he > is busy handling > his Fathers showroom of Luminaries since last 27 years in Bhagirath > palace and > earning lakhs of rupees every month even importing from China and > Singapore. > Why this contrary career not as per his studies ? > I also know of a Man who is now handling (Freelancing)at age of 62 > all the 50 Malls of > Pantaloon in India and looking after the Energy conservation and > earning uptil > Rs.2 Lakhs per month, from them, while uptil 5 years back he was > serving only > as a Electrical Engineer (Employed) with a maximum package of Rs.1 > Lakh per annum > and not one month , for last 40 Years. Why and how this sudden > change ? Just > one year back he has started the Major MahaDasha of Jupiter > (Sagittarius Lagna) > (Even in 1st Bhava in Cuspal Chart), and thus Hamsa Yoga (Pancha > Mahapurusha) > is giving full benefits to him, with Jupiter aspecting. 5th, 7th and > 9th house > simultaneously. > > At times the MahaDasha gives a lift in the same career to the > native.If he had > been marketing a product uptil now, with the dawn of the new > MahaDasha he may > start manufacturing of the same. > > In todays times, we see drastic changes in career in many natives, as > and when > Dashas change , they go for something absolutely contrary with what > one > would expect them to do. I know of a Chartered Accountant who was not > doing > well when he approached a good astrologer , he was asked to open a > Kirana > (Grains-shop) unthinkable to a man of his qualifications, but he is > doing well > financially now, otherwise there was not a single visitor to his > small office during > the whole day , with a board of CA outside it. > > Specially as I said today, these changes seem quite natural as people > are turning > more flexible then in the past, with more oppurtunities available for > money making > around them, you may find few of them doing simultaneously 2-3 > businessess > in the same period. > > In my own case I had been in Industrial supply for 25 years, then > suddenly > jumped to Financial Markets, which I would have never dreamt in my > wildest > dreams that I would ever enter into, and today I sit with many big > wigs in Bombay > who invest lakhs of rupees through me as a Broker . Uptil few years > back I never could have imagined this as I knew not even ABC of > Finance > or Income tax or Stocks or Investments, but I did pass my > certification from > the National Stock Exchange and now earning money through this > certification. > I also earn some money through astrology which again I started > professionaly > a year back , when my Guru reprimanded me on my spending lots of time > doing free service for last 20 years. This was also unimaginable for > me one year > back as my conscience never allowed me to charge people for > Consultations > all these years. > > I have with me a list of 150 lines of profession with planets and > houses involved , > which would give a person a different career with different changes > in his > MahaDashas.If anyone is interested I can put it on the Forum. > > If You wish me to put an example chart I can do so, but am sure would > not be > needed, as you yourself must be facing and seeing these changes in > professions/businesses when you come up with various charts in your > journey > through this divine science. > > If any Parent comes to me asking which line of higher studies > his son/daughter should persue after completing his SSC or HSC > or Bcom, then I normally check what MahaDashas are going to > operate in the natives Youth and Later Youth for the best part > of his working life, and advise accordingly. These give us > the clue very well to match with the natives own written > destiny and work in comformity with the stars allowing no > space for frequent changes, job dissatisfactions, or pains > of any sort, if one chooses and advises wisely. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > P.S. Sorry for the long mail. > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Could you elaborate a bit.Did you mean based on the mahadasha the > > best career varies. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > The best results to find out which career one should take > > > is found out only from the Maha Dasha which is operating in ones > > life, > > > and/or from the Sub Lord of the 10th Cusp. But the 10th Cusp has > to > > > be rectified to make it exact to co-incide-relate with the birth > > time. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > Krushnaji has given the same way to find out the career giving > > > planets > > > > with some other things to consider like intellegence etc. > > > > > > > > For those interested. > > > > > > > > http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson21.pdf > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Satish > > > > > > > > > > This principle (which Sri Pradeep is sharing) is enumerated in > > > > Phaldeepika > > > > > and explained very well by Sri Gopesh Kumar Ojha in his > > commentary > > > > upon the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > In another book, Sri K. N. Raoji uses this principle with 3 > > other > > > > principles > > > > > in determining the profession of a native. I do not remember > the > > > > name of the > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the > > lord > > > of > > > > > > this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will > > > have a > > > > > > say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and > > > > > > sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect > > in/on > > > the > > > > > > 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as > usual.The > > > best > > > > > > out of these will have final say. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Vijaydasji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ? > > > > > > > Navansha lords of what ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we > > > > > > > discuss these cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your points/examples are valid and thought > > > > > > > > provoking. > > > > > > > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on > > > > > > > > natal lagna and not > > > > > > > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck > > > > > > > > -Jupiter is a > > > > > > > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna > > > > > > > > and if for bhagya > > > > > > > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can > > > > > > > > we work with > > > > > > > > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in > > > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from > > > > > > > > 9th house > > > > > > > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if > > > > > > > > 9th lord too had > > > > > > > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th > > > > > > > > house effects > > > > > > > > would had been significantly affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in > > > > > > > > the 4th is thus > > > > > > > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in > > > > > > > > rashi chakra,if > > > > > > > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi > > > > > > > > dispositions,apart from > > > > > > > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to > > > > > > > > use the > > > > > > > > combination which is strong.For example > > > > > > > > -Profession-10th lord from > > > > > > > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and > > > > > > > > their rashi > > > > > > > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will > > > > > > > > have the say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by > > > > > > > > some astrologers > > > > > > > > is thought provoking too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas > > > > > > > > show strength > > > > > > > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific > > > > > > > > role,for planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > SPK > > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaydas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi > > > > > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the > > > > > > > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for > > > > > > > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this > > > > > > > > guru is > > > > > > > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha > > > > > > > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying > > > > > > > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still would like to know how guru will behave > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I > > > > > > > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > it fully. There are four combinations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > karka navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > will you read these four cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > read the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still think we have not addressed this situation > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the fullest extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it > > > > > > > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a brilliant explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > combination of > > > > > > > > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to > > > > > > > > natal > > > > > > > > > > lagna.For > > > > > > > > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is > > > > > > > > > > correct.On the other > > > > > > > > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna > > > > > > > > people.If > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord is > > > > > > > > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is not beneficial > > > > > > > > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the > > > > > > > > > > question,but the effect > > > > > > > > > > on jataka w.r to lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple > > > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > > > > points.Say if you > > > > > > > > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within > > > > > > > > aries,bulb > > > > > > > > > > in the Taurus > > > > > > > > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > slot within > > > > > > > > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow > > > > > > > > > > (because 2nd navamsha in > > > > > > > > > > gemini is Scorpio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > tattwas repeat in a > > > > > > > > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually > > > > > > > > leads > > > > > > > > > > to a particular > > > > > > > > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is > > > > > > > > > > falling also gives > > > > > > > > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus > > > > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > > > > within aries and > > > > > > > > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a > > > > > > > > > > rashi can influence > > > > > > > > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala > > > > > > > > nadi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed > > > > > > > > > > similar to rashi > > > > > > > > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same > > > > > > > > cyclical > > > > > > > > > > order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > "D > > > > > > > > Ramapriya" > > > > > > > > > > <ramapriya.d@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that > > > > > > > > thinks > > > > > > > > > > amshas > > > > > > > > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even > > > > > > > > > > navansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > Cheap talk? > > > > > > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > > > http://voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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