Divisions/Amshas

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hello,

 

I want to again ask the question that I raised a few

days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any other

amsha, is the positionof the planet important with

respect to the lagna of that particular division ?

 

I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha, one

case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru will be

in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case 5th

from navansha lagna.

 

How will this guru behave for the native ?

 

Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the rashi

chart( D-1)

 

Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

chart(D-1)

 

Thanks

 

Satish

 

P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on this

topic or I may have missed it.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Satishji,

 

The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra Navamsha is of no value.

But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna chart and Aries

Navamsha, it will give good results.

That should sum up everything for your query.

Rest the learned members will add .

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

>

> hello,

>

> I want to again ask the question that I raised a few

> days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any other

> amsha, is the positionof the planet important with

> respect to the lagna of that particular division ?

>

> I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha, one

> case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

> navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru will be

> in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case 5th

> from navansha lagna.

>

> How will this guru behave for the native ?

>

> Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the rashi

> chart( D-1)

>

> Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

> chart(D-1)

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

>

> P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on this

> topic or I may have missed it.

>

>

>

>

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Sir

 

There are many things to be looked into:

 

-In whose Navamsa - planet is going, navamsa dispositor, mutual relationship between rasi and D9 dispositor etc

-Transpose navamsa position and check its relative position from rasi lagna, moon and the planet itself (I think it is called bhava suchaka method)

-Planets' modified bala for being vargottam / exalted / debilitated etc and if it is in Nidhanamsa / Ashtamamsa

-Close association of planets in D9 charts

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:53:01 -0800 (PST)

 

Divisions/Amshas

hello,

 

I want to again ask the question that I raised a few

days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any other

amsha, is the positionof the planet important with

respect to the lagna of that particular division ?

 

I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha, one

case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru will be

in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case 5th

from navansha lagna.

 

How will this guru behave for the native ?

 

Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the rashi

chart( D-1)

 

Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

chart(D-1)

 

Thanks

 

Satish

 

P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on this

topic or I may have missed it.

 

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet has exalted

navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and deb navamsha rashi

(mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in saravali etc asking us to

consider the stronger among both(i think shloka starting with

balabala etc).But navamsha is important as prana is based on it.

 

Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi as a reference for

transits and consideing navamsha groupings as a chart are 2 diff

things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also Navamsha calculations are

having a relation with rashi calculation regarding mutual 7th.This

is another reason for it being considered for spouse.

 

For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha within a sign,then

seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th navamsha within seventh

bhava will be the same.

For the same reason bhavas should only be considered w,r to rashi

disposition,but when we understand the calculations we can count

certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct results.But what we see is

considering them as charts and applying apsects.Let us pray.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Satishji,

>

> The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra Navamsha is of no

value.

> But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna chart and Aries

> Navamsha, it will give good results.

> That should sum up everything for your query.

> Rest the learned members will add .

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > hello,

> >

> > I want to again ask the question that I raised a few

> > days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any other

> > amsha, is the positionof the planet important with

> > respect to the lagna of that particular division ?

> >

> > I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha, one

> > case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

> > navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru will be

> > in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case 5th

> > from navansha lagna.

> >

> > How will this guru behave for the native ?

> >

> > Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the rashi

> > chart( D-1)

> >

> > Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

> > chart(D-1)

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on this

> > topic or I may have missed it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Pradeepji ,

 

//Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet has exalted

navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and deb navamsha rashi

(mishra phala).//

 

Of course thats understood. We cannot totally discount the natal

charts placement of Sun in Aries or vice versa. Yes Mishra phala has

to be there. Not totally good as one would expect just by looking at

the Birth chart in isolation.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet has exalted

> navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and deb navamsha

rashi

> (mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in saravali etc asking us to

> consider the stronger among both(i think shloka starting with

> balabala etc).But navamsha is important as prana is based on it.

>

> Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi as a reference for

> transits and consideing navamsha groupings as a chart are 2 diff

> things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also Navamsha calculations are

> having a relation with rashi calculation regarding mutual 7th.This

> is another reason for it being considered for spouse.

>

> For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha within a sign,then

> seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th navamsha within seventh

> bhava will be the same.

> For the same reason bhavas should only be considered w,r to rashi

> disposition,but when we understand the calculations we can count

> certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct results.But what we see is

> considering them as charts and applying apsects.Let us pray.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satishji,

> >

> > The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra Navamsha is of no

> value.

> > But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna chart and Aries

> > Navamsha, it will give good results.

> > That should sum up everything for your query.

> > Rest the learned members will add .

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > hello,

> > >

> > > I want to again ask the question that I raised a few

> > > days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any other

> > > amsha, is the positionof the planet important with

> > > respect to the lagna of that particular division ?

> > >

> > > I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha, one

> > > case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

> > > navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru will be

> > > in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case 5th

> > > from navansha lagna.

> > >

> > > How will this guru behave for the native ?

> > >

> > > Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the rashi

> > > chart( D-1)

> > >

> > > Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

> > > chart(D-1)

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on this

> > > topic or I may have missed it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks Vijaydas and Bhasker,

 

I am not sure whether I am not asking the question

clearly.

 

The question goes to the heart of whether to use

houses in amshas.

 

The question is what would exalted guru in navansha do

if it is in 5th from navansha lagna versus 6th from

navansha lagna.

 

Assume guru in dhanu rashi in D-1 chart for mesh

lagna.

 

So for D-1 chart it is benefic ( 9th lord)

 

Lets sat this guru is in karka navansha.

case 1: Nanavsha lagna is kumbha, making guru exalted

in 6th house ( for those who use houses in amshas)

 

case2: The Navansha lagna is meena so guru is in 5th

house or 5th from navansha lagna.

 

Please indicate how whould this guru behave.

 

Those who use houses in amshas in case1: It is

navansha lagna lord in 6th

 

Case2: It is navansha lagna lord in 5th in navansha.

 

The guru is benefic for this chart in rashi.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

 

 

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

wrote:

 

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet has

> exalted

> navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and

> deb navamsha rashi

> (mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in saravali

> etc asking us to

> consider the stronger among both(i think shloka

> starting with

> balabala etc).But navamsha is important as prana is

> based on it.

>

> Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi as a

> reference for

> transits and consideing navamsha groupings as a

> chart are 2 diff

> things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also Navamsha

> calculations are

> having a relation with rashi calculation regarding

> mutual 7th.This

> is another reason for it being considered for

> spouse.

>

> For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha within a

> sign,then

> seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th navamsha

> within seventh

> bhava will be the same.

> For the same reason bhavas should only be considered

> w,r to rashi

> disposition,but when we understand the calculations

> we can count

> certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct results.But

> what we see is

> considering them as charts and applying apsects.Let

> us pray.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satishji,

> >

> > The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra

> Navamsha is of no

> value.

> > But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna

> chart and Aries

> > Navamsha, it will give good results.

> > That should sum up everything for your query.

> > Rest the learned members will add .

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > hello,

> > >

> > > I want to again ask the question that I raised a

> few

> > > days back. When one looks at the navamsha or any

> other

> > > amsha, is the positionof the planet important

> with

> > > respect to the lagna of that particular division

> ?

> > >

> > > I asked aquestion of guru exalted in navansha,

> one

> > > case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other case

> > > navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru

> will be

> > > in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other case

> 5th

> > > from navansha lagna.

> > >

> > > How will this guru behave for the native ?

> > >

> > > Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the

> rashi

> > > chart( D-1)

> > >

> > > Assuming it is functional malefic for the rashi

> > > chart(D-1)

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on

> this

> > > topic or I may have missed it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

Pushing the same theme. Lets look at the same guru

exalted in navansha, in dhanu rashi in D-1 but lets

say it is Taurus lagna in D-1 and same two cases for

navansha

 

case1: guru in karka in navansha with kumbha navansha

lagna

 

case2: Guru in karka navansha with meena as navansha

lagna.

 

In rashi chart for mesh lagna guru is functional

benefic and for tauus rising rashi chart guru is

malefic.

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

 

> Thanks Vijaydas and Bhasker,

>

> I am not sure whether I am not asking the question

> clearly.

>

> The question goes to the heart of whether to use

> houses in amshas.

>

> The question is what would exalted guru in navansha

> do

> if it is in 5th from navansha lagna versus 6th from

> navansha lagna.

>

> Assume guru in dhanu rashi in D-1 chart for mesh

> lagna.

>

> So for D-1 chart it is benefic ( 9th lord)

>

> Lets sat this guru is in karka navansha.

> case 1: Nanavsha lagna is kumbha, making guru

> exalted

> in 6th house ( for those who use houses in amshas)

>

> case2: The Navansha lagna is meena so guru is in 5th

> house or 5th from navansha lagna.

>

> Please indicate how whould this guru behave.

>

> Those who use houses in amshas in case1: It is

> navansha lagna lord in 6th

>

> Case2: It is navansha lagna lord in 5th in navansha.

>

> The guru is benefic for this chart in rashi.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

>

>

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet

> has

> > exalted

> > navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and

> > deb navamsha rashi

> > (mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in saravali

> > etc asking us to

> > consider the stronger among both(i think shloka

> > starting with

> > balabala etc).But navamsha is important as prana

> is

> > based on it.

> >

> > Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi as

> a

> > reference for

> > transits and consideing navamsha groupings as a

> > chart are 2 diff

> > things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also Navamsha

> > calculations are

> > having a relation with rashi calculation regarding

> > mutual 7th.This

> > is another reason for it being considered for

> > spouse.

> >

> > For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha within

> a

> > sign,then

> > seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th navamsha

> > within seventh

> > bhava will be the same.

> > For the same reason bhavas should only be

> considered

> > w,r to rashi

> > disposition,but when we understand the

> calculations

> > we can count

> > certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct

> results.But

> > what we see is

> > considering them as charts and applying

> apsects.Let

> > us pray.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satishji,

> > >

> > > The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra

> > Navamsha is of no

> > value.

> > > But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna

> > chart and Aries

> > > Navamsha, it will give good results.

> > > That should sum up everything for your query.

> > > Rest the learned members will add .

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > hello,

> > > >

> > > > I want to again ask the question that I raised

> a

> > few

> > > > days back. When one looks at the navamsha or

> any

> > other

> > > > amsha, is the positionof the planet important

> > with

> > > > respect to the lagna of that particular

> division

> > ?

> > > >

> > > > I asked aquestion of guru exalted in

> navansha,

> > one

> > > > case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other

> case

> > > > navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru

> > will be

> > > > in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other

> case

> > 5th

> > > > from navansha lagna.

> > > >

> > > > How will this guru behave for the native ?

> > > >

> > > > Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the

> > rashi

> > > > chart( D-1)

> > > >

> > > > Assuming it is functional malefic for the

> rashi

> > > > chart(D-1)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on

> > this

> > > > topic or I may have missed it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> >

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Dear Satishji,

 

My comments-

 

Checking the Navamsha position from the Navamsha Lagna should be a

secondary phase.Because already the Lagna has been decided for You

in the Natal Chart, and which Lord is going to act like Maraka or

Badhaka or Yogkaraka is already decided for You.

 

First You have to check the Planets how they will behave in

Natal Chart vis a vis after placement in Navamsha chart as

now modified to better or worse.

 

In Your question you have not given the Natal position of the

Planets, if I have read properly, you have just given the

Navamsha position and Lagna. Never check like this.This is

secondary checking.

 

For example if Sun is in Libra in Natal chart having Taurus

Lagna, but in Navamsha if it goes to Aries for Capricorn Navamsha

Lagna, this Sun will do much better as in kendra in exaltation

after going to Navamsha. You judge like this. Do not take Navamsha

as the Main Lagna please.

If you do this then you will have 6 Planets as negatives to reckon

for,in your whole life. 6,8,12 of Natal Chart and 6,8,12 of

Navamsha chart. If you bring in the 2nd and 7th too of both

charts as Marakas,then what is finally left as benefic planet

for You ? Nothing.

 

Just check the Natal chart and then the movement of

this planet or where shifted to Navamsha chart, keeping

Natal chart as base. Next You do the secondary checking

of Navamsha chart with its ascendant as Lagna,but not before.

 

Hope I have been understood.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Pushing the same theme. Lets look at the same guru

> exalted in navansha, in dhanu rashi in D-1 but lets

> say it is Taurus lagna in D-1 and same two cases for

> navansha

>

> case1: guru in karka in navansha with kumbha navansha

> lagna

>

> case2: Guru in karka navansha with meena as navansha

> lagna.

>

> In rashi chart for mesh lagna guru is functional

> benefic and for tauus rising rashi chart guru is

> malefic.

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> > Thanks Vijaydas and Bhasker,

> >

> > I am not sure whether I am not asking the question

> > clearly.

> >

> > The question goes to the heart of whether to use

> > houses in amshas.

> >

> > The question is what would exalted guru in navansha

> > do

> > if it is in 5th from navansha lagna versus 6th from

> > navansha lagna.

> >

> > Assume guru in dhanu rashi in D-1 chart for mesh

> > lagna.

> >

> > So for D-1 chart it is benefic ( 9th lord)

> >

> > Lets sat this guru is in karka navansha.

> > case 1: Nanavsha lagna is kumbha, making guru

> > exalted

> > in 6th house ( for those who use houses in amshas)

> >

> > case2: The Navansha lagna is meena so guru is in 5th

> > house or 5th from navansha lagna.

> >

> > Please indicate how whould this guru behave.

> >

> > Those who use houses in amshas in case1: It is

> > navansha lagna lord in 6th

> >

> > Case2: It is navansha lagna lord in 5th in navansha.

> >

> > The guru is benefic for this chart in rashi.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> >

> >

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > Classics say average results(if rashi deb planet

> > has

> > > exalted

> > > navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt and

> > > deb navamsha rashi

> > > (mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in saravali

> > > etc asking us to

> > > consider the stronger among both(i think shloka

> > > starting with

> > > balabala etc).But navamsha is important as prana

> > is

> > > based on it.

> > >

> > > Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi as

> > a

> > > reference for

> > > transits and consideing navamsha groupings as a

> > > chart are 2 diff

> > > things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also Navamsha

> > > calculations are

> > > having a relation with rashi calculation regarding

> > > mutual 7th.This

> > > is another reason for it being considered for

> > > spouse.

> > >

> > > For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha within

> > a

> > > sign,then

> > > seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th navamsha

> > > within seventh

> > > bhava will be the same.

> > > For the same reason bhavas should only be

> > considered

> > > w,r to rashi

> > > disposition,but when we understand the

> > calculations

> > > we can count

> > > certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct

> > results.But

> > > what we see is

> > > considering them as charts and applying

> > apsects.Let

> > > us pray.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satishji,

> > > >

> > > > The Sun in Aries in Lagna chart but in Libra

> > > Navamsha is of no

> > > value.

> > > > But if that same Sun is in Libra sign in Lagna

> > > chart and Aries

> > > > Navamsha, it will give good results.

> > > > That should sum up everything for your query.

> > > > Rest the learned members will add .

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , SPK

> > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to again ask the question that I raised

> > a

> > > few

> > > > > days back. When one looks at the navamsha or

> > any

> > > other

> > > > > amsha, is the positionof the planet important

> > > with

> > > > > respect to the lagna of that particular

> > division

> > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked aquestion of guru exalted in

> > navansha,

> > > one

> > > > > case navansha lagna is kumbah and in other

> > case

> > > > > navansha lagna is meena. So in navansha Guru

> > > will be

> > > > > in 6th from navansha lagna and in the other

> > case

> > > 5th

> > > > > from navansha lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > How will this guru behave for the native ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Assuming guru is a functional benefic for the

> > > rashi

> > > > > chart( D-1)

> > > > >

> > > > > Assuming it is functional malefic for the

> > rashi

> > > > > chart(D-1)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. I have not seen a rigourous discussion on

> > > this

> > > > > topic or I may have missed it.

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Bhaskarji,

 

I have given the natal position for Guru.

 

Guru is in Dhanu rashi and karka navansha.

 

In one case it is Mesh lagna for D-1 or rashi chart

 

In another case it is Taurus lagna for D-1 chart.

 

Now with this rashi position of guru and rashi lagna

 

look at navansha.

 

1)Take kumbha navansha lagna so guru will be exalted

in 6th house(sign) from navansha lagna

2) Take meena navansha lagna so guru in karka will be

exalted in 5th from navansha lagna.

 

So here we have two different rashi lagnas ( mesh and

Vrishabha) Guru in rashi is in dhanu. So for taurus

rising chart it is malefic lord, for mesh rising chart

it is a benefic lord.

 

Now for these two cases look at the navansha ( again

two scenarios)

 

In my mind how one reads these situations is crux of

of wehther one uses houses in amshas.

 

Basically there are four cases to be looked at.

 

I hope we can debate this issue.

 

Satish

 

 

--- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

> Dear Satishji,

>

> My comments-

>

> Checking the Navamsha position from the Navamsha

> Lagna should be a

> secondary phase.Because already the Lagna has been

> decided for You

> in the Natal Chart, and which Lord is going to act

> like Maraka or

> Badhaka or Yogkaraka is already decided for You.

>

> First You have to check the Planets how they will

> behave in

> Natal Chart vis a vis after placement in Navamsha

> chart as

> now modified to better or worse.

>

> In Your question you have not given the Natal

> position of the

> Planets, if I have read properly, you have just

> given the

> Navamsha position and Lagna. Never check like

> this.This is

> secondary checking.

>

> For example if Sun is in Libra in Natal chart having

> Taurus

> Lagna, but in Navamsha if it goes to Aries for

> Capricorn Navamsha

> Lagna, this Sun will do much better as in kendra in

> exaltation

> after going to Navamsha. You judge like this. Do not

> take Navamsha

> as the Main Lagna please.

> If you do this then you will have 6 Planets as

> negatives to reckon

> for,in your whole life. 6,8,12 of Natal Chart and

> 6,8,12 of

> Navamsha chart. If you bring in the 2nd and 7th too

> of both

> charts as Marakas,then what is finally left as

> benefic planet

> for You ? Nothing.

>

> Just check the Natal chart and then the movement of

> this planet or where shifted to Navamsha chart,

> keeping

> Natal chart as base. Next You do the secondary

> checking

> of Navamsha chart with its ascendant as Lagna,but

> not before.

>

> Hope I have been understood.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Pushing the same theme. Lets look at the same guru

> > exalted in navansha, in dhanu rashi in D-1 but

> lets

> > say it is Taurus lagna in D-1 and same two cases

> for

> > navansha

> >

> > case1: guru in karka in navansha with kumbha

> navansha

> > lagna

> >

> > case2: Guru in karka navansha with meena as

> navansha

> > lagna.

> >

> > In rashi chart for mesh lagna guru is functional

> > benefic and for tauus rising rashi chart guru is

> > malefic.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks Vijaydas and Bhasker,

> > >

> > > I am not sure whether I am not asking the

> question

> > > clearly.

> > >

> > > The question goes to the heart of whether to use

> > > houses in amshas.

> > >

> > > The question is what would exalted guru in

> navansha

> > > do

> > > if it is in 5th from navansha lagna versus 6th

> from

> > > navansha lagna.

> > >

> > > Assume guru in dhanu rashi in D-1 chart for mesh

> > > lagna.

> > >

> > > So for D-1 chart it is benefic ( 9th lord)

> > >

> > > Lets sat this guru is in karka navansha.

> > > case 1: Nanavsha lagna is kumbha, making guru

> > > exalted

> > > in 6th house ( for those who use houses in

> amshas)

> > >

> > > case2: The Navansha lagna is meena so guru is in

> 5th

> > > house or 5th from navansha lagna.

> > >

> > > Please indicate how whould this guru behave.

> > >

> > > Those who use houses in amshas in case1: It is

> > > navansha lagna lord in 6th

> > >

> > > Case2: It is navansha lagna lord in 5th in

> navansha.

> > >

> > > The guru is benefic for this chart in rashi.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > >

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > Classics say average results(if rashi deb

> planet

> > > has

> > > > exalted

> > > > navamsha).Similar is the case with rashi exalt

> and

> > > > deb navamsha rashi

> > > > (mishra phala).Also there is a shloka in

> saravali

> > > > etc asking us to

> > > > consider the stronger among both(i think

> shloka

> > > > starting with

> > > > balabala etc).But navamsha is important as

> prana

> > > is

> > > > based on it.

> > > >

> > > > Satish ji - considering chandra navamsha rashi

> as

> > > a

> > > > reference for

> > > > transits and consideing navamsha groupings as

> a

> > > > chart are 2 diff

> > > > things.Kindly read my mail to Sunil.Also

> Navamsha

> > > > calculations are

> > > > having a relation with rashi calculation

> regarding

> > > > mutual 7th.This

> > > > is another reason for it being considered for

> > > > spouse.

> > > >

> > > > For example if lagna is in the 4th navamsha

> within

> > > a

> > > > sign,then

> > > > seventh sign from lagna navamsha and 4th

> navamsha

> > > > within seventh

> > > > bhava will be the same.

> > > > For the same reason bhavas should only be

> > > considered

> > > > w,r to rashi

> > > > disposition,but when we understand the

> > > calculations

> > > > we can count

> > > > certain navamshas(not bhavas) and deduct

> > > results.But

> > > > what we see is

> > > > considering them as charts and applying

> > > apsects.Let

> > > > us pray.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > ,

> "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

>

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Dear Satish,

 

See the navamshas as miniature strips of the various rasis laid out across

the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all through its 30-degree span.

Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly comfortable in only some

portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha within it isn't one of them as

you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha points clues towards.

 

Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one that's seemingly your gift for

this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified behind blinds. The window might

show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted, meditative, serene and all that sort

of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted thing might be in the worst

possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the debilitation sign in the

rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to speak. It's the worst spot

within the rasi for the planet to be in. Pffffft. It's a bit of a

misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit is a matter of luck or

fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya barometer. How you've

behaved yourself the last time around is what's said to be reflected by the

luck that planets bring for you; planetary dignity, some call it, not wholly

without reason.

 

Navamsha placements are used in different ways for different reasons. I use

them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b) get an idea of how the dasa of

that planet might pan out and © to make my readings look more complicated

so that I can charge the gullibles more

 

Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's nothing nice about Jup being

in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement, 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

and so on.

 

Hope this helped,

Ramapriya

 

PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha chart as a standalone. Good luck

 

 

On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

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Thanks Rampriyaji,

 

On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas

are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha.

 

Although I want to get opinions of other learned

members. I fell that this is the single most important

topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and

internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts. It

has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a

forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas and

how they were meant to be used, we will be doing great

disservice to jyotish learning.

 

In the example I gave and you replied to,

 

Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not good

? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What you

mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth

house( if you use houses in navansha) if the navansha

lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house of

navansha.

 

I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan

out in two different navansha houses. If you do not

use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just

that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

 

Any comments are welcome

 

Satish

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d > wrote:

 

> Dear Satish,

>

> See the navamshas as miniature strips of the various

> rasis laid out across

> the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all

> through its 30-degree span.

> Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly

> comfortable in only some

> portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha within

> it isn't one of them as

> you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha points

> clues towards.

>

> Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one that's

> seemingly your gift for

> this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified behind

> blinds. The window might

> show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted, meditative,

> serene and all that sort

> of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted

> thing might be in the worst

> possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the

> debilitation sign in the

> rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to

> speak. It's the worst spot

> within the rasi for the planet to be in. Pffffft.

> It's a bit of a

> misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit is a

> matter of luck or

> fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya

> barometer. How you've

> behaved yourself the last time around is what's said

> to be reflected by the

> luck that planets bring for you; planetary dignity,

> some call it, not wholly

> without reason.

>

> Navamsha placements are used in different ways for

> different reasons. I use

> them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b) get an

> idea of how the dasa of

> that planet might pan out and © to make my

> readings look more complicated

> so that I can charge the gullibles more

>

> Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's

> nothing nice about Jup being

> in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery

> Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

> navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement,

> 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

> and so on.

>

> Hope this helped,

> Ramapriya

>

> PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha chart as

> a standalone. Good luck

>

>

>

> On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

>

> Thanks Rampriyaji,

>

> On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas

> are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha.

>

 

 

That's good, although it's best not to be in any 'camp' as such. The freer

your intellect, the better your probability of being rational

 

Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> members. I fell that this is the single most important

> topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and

> internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts.

>

 

 

Only if you've let your intellect be taken siege. Listen to everyone and

read everything but none of that is a patch on thinking for yourself. Not

just in astro either!

 

In the example I gave and you replied to, Why you say guru in dhanu and

> karka navsha is not good ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What

> you

> mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth house( if you use

> houses in navansha) if the navansha lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in

> 5th house of

> navansha.

>

 

 

"In the navamsha of the sign of exaltation" isn't the same as "Exalted in

navamsha" though I fess to having at times mindlessly used similar terms

too.

 

While Cn is the ideal amsha when Ju is in Pi in rasi, not necessarily so

when it's in Sg. It helps if a planet retains the same rasi type in amsa. In

the case of Ju and Ve, note that their being in exaltation in rasi isn't an

automatic blessing for Sg or Li natives. Who wants the lagna lord in a

dusthana from the lagna?

 

"6th from navamsha position" is just that. If Ju is in Cn in D-9, isn't that

8th from the D-1 position? Or the D-1 sixth from the navamsa?

If such person runs Ju vim dasa, the results of the 6th house will be seen.

 

I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan

> out in two different navansha houses. If you do not

> use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just

> that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

>

 

 

Of course it's the latter for me! I use the navamsha of the lagna to

ascertain the lagna's disposition, etc. but I don't yet have sufficient

evidence for the use of div-charts as standalones even for the narrow

purpose of figuring that which they're said to indicate (e.g. D-10 for

profession and career, etc.). And I'm a fair way away from using

div-specific dasas too

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

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hi satish, you have raised an important point about the use of

divisional charts and whether things are getting out of hand,

based on my fairly long experience with jyotish, let me place before

you how i use vargas, observe and put to test- if you see it working

use it, if not forget it !

 

1) the 12 house lords in the rasi chakra are the "only" 12 house

lords, period.

 

2) the 12 houses exist in the varga chart, planets in them show

results as per texts.

 

for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi chakra and in

kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and taurus navamsa, so

its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very important charts.

so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak and also as 1st

house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based on d-9 lagna.

 

hope its clear,

 

Thanks for your time,

 

 

 

 

Suneel Hooda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Thanks Rampriyaji,

>

> On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas

> are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha.

>

> Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> members. I fell that this is the single most important

> topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and

> internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts. It

> has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a

> forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas and

> how they were meant to be used, we will be doing great

> disservice to jyotish learning.

>

> In the example I gave and you replied to,

>

> Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not good

> ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What you

> mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth

> house( if you use houses in navansha) if the navansha

> lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house of

> navansha.

>

> I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan

> out in two different navansha houses. If you do not

> use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just

> that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

>

> Any comments are welcome

>

> Satish

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > See the navamshas as miniature strips of the various

> > rasis laid out across

> > the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all

> > through its 30-degree span.

> > Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly

> > comfortable in only some

> > portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha within

> > it isn't one of them as

> > you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha points

> > clues towards.

> >

> > Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one that's

> > seemingly your gift for

> > this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified behind

> > blinds. The window might

> > show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted, meditative,

> > serene and all that sort

> > of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted

> > thing might be in the worst

> > possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the

> > debilitation sign in the

> > rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to

> > speak. It's the worst spot

> > within the rasi for the planet to be in. Pffffft.

> > It's a bit of a

> > misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit is a

> > matter of luck or

> > fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya

> > barometer. How you've

> > behaved yourself the last time around is what's said

> > to be reflected by the

> > luck that planets bring for you; planetary dignity,

> > some call it, not wholly

> > without reason.

> >

> > Navamsha placements are used in different ways for

> > different reasons. I use

> > them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b) get an

> > idea of how the dasa of

> > that planet might pan out and © to make my

> > readings look more complicated

> > so that I can charge the gullibles more

> >

> > Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's

> > nothing nice about Jup being

> > in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery

> > Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

> > navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement,

> > 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

> > and so on.

> >

> > Hope this helped,

> > Ramapriya

> >

> > PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha chart as

> > a standalone. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> > On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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On 12/10/06, Suneel Hooda <suneelhooda (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

>

> for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi chakra and in

> kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and taurus navamsa, so

> its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very important charts.

> so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak and also as 1st

> house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based on d-9 lagna.

>

 

 

Dear Suneel,

 

Jup as lagna lord in Taurus in kendra? Am I missing something?

 

Ramapriya

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Dear Ramapriya ji

 

That was a brilliant explanation.

 

Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about the combination of

lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to natal lagna.For

vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is correct.On the other

hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna people.If lagna lord is

having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then it is not beneficial

for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the question,but the effect

on jataka w.r to lagna.

 

Within a rashi we can think there are multiple plug points.Say if you

plug into the second navamsha slot within aries,bulb in the Taurus

rashi will glow.If you plug into the second navamsha slot within

gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow (because 2nd navamsha in

gemini is Scorpio).

 

Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 Rashi tattwas repeat in a

sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually leads to a particular

rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is falling also gives

some variations.Example results for Taurus navamsha within aries and

Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a rashi can influence

planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala nadi.

 

Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed similar to rashi

chakra.What i had said they follow the same cyclical order.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> >

> > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas

> > are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha.

> >

>

>

> That's good, although it's best not to be in any 'camp' as such.

The freer

> your intellect, the better your probability of being rational

>

> Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > members. I fell that this is the single most important

> > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and

> > internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts.

> >

>

>

> Only if you've let your intellect be taken siege. Listen to

everyone and

> read everything but none of that is a patch on thinking for

yourself. Not

> just in astro either!

>

> In the example I gave and you replied to, Why you say guru in dhanu

and

> > karka navsha is not good ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in

navansha. What

> > you

> > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth house( if you

use

> > houses in navansha) if the navansha lagna is kumbha. If it is

meena it is in

> > 5th house of

> > navansha.

> >

>

>

> "In the navamsha of the sign of exaltation" isn't the same

as "Exalted in

> navamsha" though I fess to having at times mindlessly used similar

terms

> too.

>

> While Cn is the ideal amsha when Ju is in Pi in rasi, not

necessarily so

> when it's in Sg. It helps if a planet retains the same rasi type in

amsa. In

> the case of Ju and Ve, note that their being in exaltation in rasi

isn't an

> automatic blessing for Sg or Li natives. Who wants the lagna lord

in a

> dusthana from the lagna?

>

> "6th from navamsha position" is just that. If Ju is in Cn in D-9,

isn't that

> 8th from the D-1 position? Or the D-1 sixth from the navamsa?

> If such person runs Ju vim dasa, the results of the 6th house will

be seen.

>

> I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan

> > out in two different navansha houses. If you do not

> > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just

> > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

> >

>

>

> Of course it's the latter for me! I use the navamsha of the lagna to

> ascertain the lagna's disposition, etc. but I don't yet have

sufficient

> evidence for the use of div-charts as standalones even for the

narrow

> purpose of figuring that which they're said to indicate (e.g. D-10

for

> profession and career, etc.). And I'm a fair way away from using

> div-specific dasas too

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

>

>

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Dear members ,

 

I saw the below mail of Ramapriya and thought I can ask members some

clarifications.

First of Iam a learner of astrology belonging to no camp . And I

feel most books do not give enough clarity abt the use of Navamshas.

I would be glad if I can get some clarifications.

Ramapriya showed how one would interpret the position of navamsha

for the result of dasha.

 

1) what abt bhukthi ?How does one interpret bhukti?

2)What about positions in other divisional charts say dashamsha?

3)What about position of a planet in navamsha from navamsha lagna

……. do you consider this?If not why ? (would request ramapriya to

reply on this one)

4)If navamsha shows purva punya what shows the future( next life )?

where does dwadashamsha fit in?

 

5)How do navamshas and nakshatras get related ………first of all do they

get related ?

6)What is the significance of relative positions b/w navamsha and

rashi ? Would like more elaboration on this ?

 

As my questions would have revealed Iam still a learner.......would

like to see replies with some examples.

 

If members have any write up or any reference that would clarify

the above points will also be helpful.Perhaps its too many things to

write abt in one mail. Even one question clarified in one mail is

good enough for me.

 

If members feel that they cant openly share all this (for whatever

reason) please reply in private if you can.

 

Regards,

Sanath

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Vijaydas,

 

In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi lagna is

not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the

other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in rashi

chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for

taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this guru is

in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha

lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying

that because it is in 8th from the natal position of

guru, even when exalted will not be good ?

 

I still would like to know how guru will behave for

the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I

think we are nibbling at the isuue and not addressing

it fully. There are four combinations

 

1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

 

2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

 

3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

 

In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in it is

karka navansha.

 

A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will you

read these 4 cases qualitatively

 

B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) how

will you read these four cases.

 

If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed from

rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so it is

8th from the natal position in amsha) how will will

read the situation.

 

I still think we have not addressed this situation to

the fullest extent.

 

Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it

needs more debate and/or explanation in my opinion.

 

Satish

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

wrote:

 

> Dear Ramapriya ji

>

> That was a brilliant explanation.

>

> Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about the

> combination of

> lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to natal

> lagna.For

> vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is

> correct.On the other

> hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna people.If

> lagna lord is

> having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then it

> is not beneficial

> for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the

> question,but the effect

> on jataka w.r to lagna.

>

> Within a rashi we can think there are multiple plug

> points.Say if you

> plug into the second navamsha slot within aries,bulb

> in the Taurus

> rashi will glow.If you plug into the second navamsha

> slot within

> gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow

> (because 2nd navamsha in

> gemini is Scorpio).

>

> Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 Rashi

> tattwas repeat in a

> sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually leads

> to a particular

> rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is

> falling also gives

> some variations.Example results for Taurus navamsha

> within aries and

> Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a

> rashi can influence

> planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala nadi.

>

> Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed

> similar to rashi

> chakra.What i had said they follow the same cyclical

> order.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> , "D Ramapriya"

> <ramapriya.d

> wrote:

> >

> > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> > >

> > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks

> amshas

> > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> navansha.

> > >

> >

> >

> > That's good, although it's best not to be in any

> 'camp' as such.

> The freer

> > your intellect, the better your probability of

> being rational

> >

> > Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > > members. I fell that this is the single most

> important

> > > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by

> books and

> > > internet gurus to use divisions as separate

> charts.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Only if you've let your intellect be taken siege.

> Listen to

> everyone and

> > read everything but none of that is a patch on

> thinking for

> yourself. Not

> > just in astro either!

> >

> > In the example I gave and you replied to, Why you

> say guru in dhanu

> and

> > > karka navsha is not good ? Own sign in rashi and

> exalted in

> navansha. What

> > > you

> > > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in

> sixth house( if you

> use

> > > houses in navansha) if the navansha lagna is

> kumbha. If it is

> meena it is in

> > > 5th house of

> > > navansha.

> > >

> >

> >

> > "In the navamsha of the sign of exaltation" isn't

> the same

> as "Exalted in

> > navamsha" though I fess to having at times

> mindlessly used similar

> terms

> > too.

> >

> > While Cn is the ideal amsha when Ju is in Pi in

> rasi, not

> necessarily so

> > when it's in Sg. It helps if a planet retains the

> same rasi type in

> amsa. In

> > the case of Ju and Ve, note that their being in

> exaltation in rasi

> isn't an

> > automatic blessing for Sg or Li natives. Who wants

> the lagna lord

> in a

> > dusthana from the lagna?

> >

> > "6th from navamsha position" is just that. If Ju

> is in Cn in D-9,

> isn't that

> > 8th from the D-1 position? Or the D-1 sixth from

> the navamsa?

> > If such person runs Ju vim dasa, the results of

> the 6th house will

> be seen.

> >

> > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > > houses in navansha, then please tell how will

> guru pan

> > > out in two different navansha houses. If you do

> not

> > > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha

> is just

> > > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha

> lagna.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Of course it's the latter for me! I use the

> navamsha of the lagna to

> > ascertain the lagna's disposition, etc. but I

> don't yet have

> sufficient

> > evidence for the use of div-charts as standalones

> even for the

> narrow

> > purpose of figuring that which they're said to

> indicate (e.g. D-10

> for

> > profession and career, etc.). And I'm a fair way

> away from using

> > div-specific dasas too

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Ramapriya

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Suneel,

 

Thanks for the reply. What if this guru in your

example is in kendra in navansha( from navasha lagna)

but is in makar navansha, therefor debilited. Will you

say it is strong guru ?

 

Satish

--- Suneel Hooda <suneelhooda (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

>

> hi satish, you have raised an important point about

> the use of

> divisional charts and whether things are getting out

> of hand,

> based on my fairly long experience with jyotish, let

> me place before

> you how i use vargas, observe and put to test- if

> you see it working

> use it, if not forget it !

>

> 1) the 12 house lords in the rasi chakra are the

> "only" 12 house

> lords, period.

>

> 2) the 12 houses exist in the varga chart, planets

> in them show

> results as per texts.

>

> for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi

> chakra and in

> kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and

> taurus navamsa, so

> its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very

> important charts.

> so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak

> and also as 1st

> house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based

> on d-9 lagna.

>

> hope its clear,

>

> Thanks for your time,

>

>

>

>

> Suneel Hooda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> >

> > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks

> amshas

> > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> navansha.

> >

> > Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > members. I fell that this is the single most

> important

> > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books

> and

> > internet gurus to use divisions as separate

> charts. It

> > has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a

> > forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas

> and

> > how they were meant to be used, we will be doing

> great

> > disservice to jyotish learning.

> >

> > In the example I gave and you replied to,

> >

> > Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not

> good

> > ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What

> you

> > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in

> sixth

> > house( if you use houses in navansha) if the

> navansha

> > lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house

> of

> > navansha.

> >

> > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru

> pan

> > out in two different navansha houses. If you do

> not

> > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is

> just

> > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

> >

> > Any comments are welcome

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > See the navamshas as miniature strips of the

> various

> > > rasis laid out across

> > > the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all

> > > through its 30-degree span.

> > > Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly

> > > comfortable in only some

> > > portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha

> within

> > > it isn't one of them as

> > > you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha

> points

> > > clues towards.

> > >

> > > Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one

> that's

> > > seemingly your gift for

> > > this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified

> behind

> > > blinds. The window might

> > > show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted,

> meditative,

> > > serene and all that sort

> > > of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted

> > > thing might be in the worst

> > > possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the

> > > debilitation sign in the

> > > rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to

> > > speak. It's the worst spot

> > > within the rasi for the planet to be in.

> Pffffft.

> > > It's a bit of a

> > > misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit

> is a

> > > matter of luck or

> > > fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya

> > > barometer. How you've

> > > behaved yourself the last time around is what's

> said

> > > to be reflected by the

> > > luck that planets bring for you; planetary

> dignity,

> > > some call it, not wholly

> > > without reason.

> > >

> > > Navamsha placements are used in different ways

> for

> > > different reasons. I use

> > > them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b)

> get an

> > > idea of how the dasa of

> > > that planet might pan out and © to make my

> > > readings look more complicated

> > > so that I can charge the gullibles more

> > >

> > > Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's

> > > nothing nice about Jup being

> > > in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery

> > > Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

> > > navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement,

> > > 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

> > > and so on.

> > >

> > > Hope this helped,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > > PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha

> chart as

> > > a standalone. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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my bad rampriya ! i apologize

 

 

, "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> On 12/10/06, Suneel Hooda <suneelhooda wrote:

> >

> >

> > for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi chakra and in

> > kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and taurus navamsa,

so

> > its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very important charts.

> > so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak and also as 1st

> > house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based on d-9 lagna.

> >

>

>

> Dear Suneel,

>

> Jup as lagna lord in Taurus in kendra? Am I missing something?

>

> Ramapriya

>

>

>

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Satish,

 

being in capricorn amsa is a part of its shodasvarga strengt, this

guru could be in excellent vargas but be in capricorn navamsa so

navamsa is one varga, to see how guru fares in all the vargas is more

important than just seeing one varga,

 

to answer your question, if jup is in a kendra from D-9 lagna and in

kendra in rasi chakra, not conjoined with nodes, saturn or mars, but

in capricorn amsa , i would still declare it as good and strong,

though not as good as it would be if its in a better amsa,

 

there you go ~

 

suneel hooda

 

 

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Suneel,

>

> Thanks for the reply. What if this guru in your

> example is in kendra in navansha( from navasha lagna)

> but is in makar navansha, therefor debilited. Will you

> say it is strong guru ?

>

> Satish

> --- Suneel Hooda <suneelhooda wrote:

>

> >

> > hi satish, you have raised an important point about

> > the use of

> > divisional charts and whether things are getting out

> > of hand,

> > based on my fairly long experience with jyotish, let

> > me place before

> > you how i use vargas, observe and put to test- if

> > you see it working

> > use it, if not forget it !

> >

> > 1) the 12 house lords in the rasi chakra are the

> > "only" 12 house

> > lords, period.

> >

> > 2) the 12 houses exist in the varga chart, planets

> > in them show

> > results as per texts.

> >

> > for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi

> > chakra and in

> > kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and

> > taurus navamsa, so

> > its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very

> > important charts.

> > so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak

> > and also as 1st

> > house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based

> > on d-9 lagna.

> >

> > hope its clear,

> >

> > Thanks for your time,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Suneel Hooda

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> > >

> > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks

> > amshas

> > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> > navansha.

> > >

> > > Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > > members. I fell that this is the single most

> > important

> > > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books

> > and

> > > internet gurus to use divisions as separate

> > charts. It

> > > has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a

> > > forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas

> > and

> > > how they were meant to be used, we will be doing

> > great

> > > disservice to jyotish learning.

> > >

> > > In the example I gave and you replied to,

> > >

> > > Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not

> > good

> > > ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What

> > you

> > > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in

> > sixth

> > > house( if you use houses in navansha) if the

> > navansha

> > > lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house

> > of

> > > navansha.

> > >

> > > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > > houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru

> > pan

> > > out in two different navansha houses. If you do

> > not

> > > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is

> > just

> > > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

> > >

> > > Any comments are welcome

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > See the navamshas as miniature strips of the

> > various

> > > > rasis laid out across

> > > > the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all

> > > > through its 30-degree span.

> > > > Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly

> > > > comfortable in only some

> > > > portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha

> > within

> > > > it isn't one of them as

> > > > you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha

> > points

> > > > clues towards.

> > > >

> > > > Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one

> > that's

> > > > seemingly your gift for

> > > > this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified

> > behind

> > > > blinds. The window might

> > > > show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted,

> > meditative,

> > > > serene and all that sort

> > > > of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted

> > > > thing might be in the worst

> > > > possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the

> > > > debilitation sign in the

> > > > rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to

> > > > speak. It's the worst spot

> > > > within the rasi for the planet to be in.

> > Pffffft.

> > > > It's a bit of a

> > > > misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit

> > is a

> > > > matter of luck or

> > > > fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya

> > > > barometer. How you've

> > > > behaved yourself the last time around is what's

> > said

> > > > to be reflected by the

> > > > luck that planets bring for you; planetary

> > dignity,

> > > > some call it, not wholly

> > > > without reason.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsha placements are used in different ways

> > for

> > > > different reasons. I use

> > > > them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b)

> > get an

> > > > idea of how the dasa of

> > > > that planet might pan out and © to make my

> > > > readings look more complicated

> > > > so that I can charge the gullibles more

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's

> > > > nothing nice about Jup being

> > > > in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery

> > > > Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

> > > > navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement,

> > > > 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

> > > > and so on.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helped,

> > > > Ramapriya

> > > >

> > > > PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha

> > chart as

> > > > a standalone. Good luck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > _______________

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> > > Go to www.Answers. and get answers from

> > real people who

> > know.

> > >

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Dear Satish ji

 

Your points/examples are valid and thought provoking.

Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on natal lagna and not

its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck -Jupiter is a

benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna and if for bhagya

and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can we work with

astrology.That will be the last thought from sage.

 

Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in all the

cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from 9th house

(though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight difficulty

for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if 9th lord too had

gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th house effects

would had been significantly affected.

 

For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in the 4th is thus

good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in rashi chakra,if

lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too planetary

placements and aspects are to based on rashi dispositions,apart from

amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to use the

combination which is strong.For example -Profession-10th lord from

chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and their rashi

sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will have the say.

 

Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by some astrologers

is thought provoking too.

 

Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in this

mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas show strength

modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific role,for planets.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi lagna is

> not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the

> other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in rashi

> chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for

> taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this guru is

> in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha

> lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying

> that because it is in 8th from the natal position of

> guru, even when exalted will not be good ?

>

> I still would like to know how guru will behave for

> the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I

> think we are nibbling at the isuue and not addressing

> it fully. There are four combinations

>

> 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

>

> 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

>

> 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

>

> In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in it is

> karka navansha.

>

> A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will you

> read these 4 cases qualitatively

>

> B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions) how

> will you read these four cases.

>

> If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed from

> rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so it is

> 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will will

> read the situation.

>

> I still think we have not addressed this situation to

> the fullest extent.

>

> Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it

> needs more debate and/or explanation in my opinion.

>

> Satish

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Ramapriya ji

> >

> > That was a brilliant explanation.

> >

> > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about the

> > combination of

> > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to natal

> > lagna.For

> > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is

> > correct.On the other

> > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna people.If

> > lagna lord is

> > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then it

> > is not beneficial

> > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the

> > question,but the effect

> > on jataka w.r to lagna.

> >

> > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple plug

> > points.Say if you

> > plug into the second navamsha slot within aries,bulb

> > in the Taurus

> > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second navamsha

> > slot within

> > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow

> > (because 2nd navamsha in

> > gemini is Scorpio).

> >

> > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12 Rashi

> > tattwas repeat in a

> > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually leads

> > to a particular

> > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is

> > falling also gives

> > some variations.Example results for Taurus navamsha

> > within aries and

> > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a

> > rashi can influence

> > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala nadi.

> >

> > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed

> > similar to rashi

> > chakra.What i had said they follow the same cyclical

> > order.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > , "D Ramapriya"

> > <ramapriya.d@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> > > >

> > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks

> > amshas

> > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> > navansha.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's good, although it's best not to be in any

> > 'camp' as such.

> > The freer

> > > your intellect, the better your probability of

> > being rational

> > >

> > > Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > > > members. I fell that this is the single most

> > important

> > > > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by

> > books and

> > > > internet gurus to use divisions as separate

> > charts.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Only if you've let your intellect be taken siege.

> > Listen to

> > everyone and

> > > read everything but none of that is a patch on

> > thinking for

> > yourself. Not

> > > just in astro either!

> > >

> > > In the example I gave and you replied to, Why you

> > say guru in dhanu

> > and

> > > > karka navsha is not good ? Own sign in rashi and

> > exalted in

> > navansha. What

> > > > you

> > > > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in

> > sixth house( if you

> > use

> > > > houses in navansha) if the navansha lagna is

> > kumbha. If it is

> > meena it is in

> > > > 5th house of

> > > > navansha.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "In the navamsha of the sign of exaltation" isn't

> > the same

> > as "Exalted in

> > > navamsha" though I fess to having at times

> > mindlessly used similar

> > terms

> > > too.

> > >

> > > While Cn is the ideal amsha when Ju is in Pi in

> > rasi, not

> > necessarily so

> > > when it's in Sg. It helps if a planet retains the

> > same rasi type in

> > amsa. In

> > > the case of Ju and Ve, note that their being in

> > exaltation in rasi

> > isn't an

> > > automatic blessing for Sg or Li natives. Who wants

> > the lagna lord

> > in a

> > > dusthana from the lagna?

> > >

> > > "6th from navamsha position" is just that. If Ju

> > is in Cn in D-9,

> > isn't that

> > > 8th from the D-1 position? Or the D-1 sixth from

> > the navamsa?

> > > If such person runs Ju vim dasa, the results of

> > the 6th house will

> > be seen.

> > >

> > > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > > > houses in navansha, then please tell how will

> > guru pan

> > > > out in two different navansha houses. If you do

> > not

> > > > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha

> > is just

> > > > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha

> > lagna.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Of course it's the latter for me! I use the

> > navamsha of the lagna to

> > > ascertain the lagna's disposition, etc. but I

> > don't yet have

> > sufficient

> > > evidence for the use of div-charts as standalones

> > even for the

> > narrow

> > > purpose of figuring that which they're said to

> > indicate (e.g. D-10

> > for

> > > profession and career, etc.). And I'm a fair way

> > away from using

> > > div-specific dasas too

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Thanks Vijaydasji,

 

You said

>>

For example

> -Profession-10th lord from

> chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and

> their rashi

> sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will

> have the say.

>>

 

Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ?

Navansha lords of what ?

 

Satish

 

P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we

discuss these cases

 

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

wrote:

 

> Dear Satish ji

>

> Your points/examples are valid and thought

> provoking.

> Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on

> natal lagna and not

> its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck

> -Jupiter is a

> benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna

> and if for bhagya

> and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can

> we work with

> astrology.That will be the last thought from sage.

>

> Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in

> all the

> cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from

> 9th house

> (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight

> difficulty

> for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if

> 9th lord too had

> gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th

> house effects

> would had been significantly affected.

>

> For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in

> the 4th is thus

> good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in

> rashi chakra,if

> lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too

> planetary

> placements and aspects are to based on rashi

> dispositions,apart from

> amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to

> use the

> combination which is strong.For example

> -Profession-10th lord from

> chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and

> their rashi

> sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will

> have the say.

>

> Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by

> some astrologers

> is thought provoking too.

>

> Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in

> this

> mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas

> show strength

> modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific

> role,for planets.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Vijaydas,

> >

> > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi

> lagna is

> > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the

> > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in

> rashi

> > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for

> > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this

> guru is

> > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha

> > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying

> > that because it is in 8th from the natal position

> of

> > guru, even when exalted will not be good ?

> >

> > I still would like to know how guru will behave

> for

> > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I

> > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not

> addressing

> > it fully. There are four combinations

> >

> > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> >

> > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> >

> > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> >

> > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in

> it is

> > karka navansha.

> >

> > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will

> you

> > read these 4 cases qualitatively

> >

> > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions)

> how

> > will you read these four cases.

> >

> > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed

> from

> > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so

> it is

> > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will

> will

> > read the situation.

> >

> > I still think we have not addressed this situation

> to

> > the fullest extent.

> >

> > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it

> > needs more debate and/or explanation in my

> opinion.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Ramapriya ji

> > >

> > > That was a brilliant explanation.

> > >

> > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about

> the

> > > combination of

> > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to

> natal

> > > lagna.For

> > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is

> > > correct.On the other

> > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna

> people.If

> > > lagna lord is

> > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then

> it

> > > is not beneficial

> > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the

> > > question,but the effect

> > > on jataka w.r to lagna.

> > >

> > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple

> plug

> > > points.Say if you

> > > plug into the second navamsha slot within

> aries,bulb

> > > in the Taurus

> > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second

> navamsha

> > > slot within

> > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow

> > > (because 2nd navamsha in

> > > gemini is Scorpio).

> > >

> > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12

> Rashi

> > > tattwas repeat in a

> > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually

> leads

> > > to a particular

> > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is

> > > falling also gives

> > > some variations.Example results for Taurus

> navamsha

> > > within aries and

> > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a

> > > rashi can influence

> > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala

> nadi.

> > >

> > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed

> > > similar to rashi

> > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same

> cyclical

> > > order.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "D

> Ramapriya"

> > > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that

> thinks

> > > amshas

> > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> > > navansha.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

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Dear Satish ji

 

10th lord from Lagna will be in some navamsha.Identify the lord of

this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra -He will have a

say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from Chandra and

sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and placement/aspect in/on the

10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as usual.The best

out of these will have final say.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Thanks Vijaydasji,

>

> You said

> >>

> For example

> > -Profession-10th lord from

> > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and

> > their rashi

> > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will

> > have the say.

> >>

>

> Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ?

> Navansha lords of what ?

>

> Satish

>

> P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as we

> discuss these cases

>

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish ji

> >

> > Your points/examples are valid and thought

> > provoking.

> > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on

> > natal lagna and not

> > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck

> > -Jupiter is a

> > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal lagna

> > and if for bhagya

> > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns malefic,can

> > we work with

> > astrology.That will be the last thought from sage.

> >

> > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha in

> > all the

> > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th from

> > 9th house

> > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give slight

> > difficulty

> > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example, if

> > 9th lord too had

> > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place - 9th

> > house effects

> > would had been significantly affected.

> >

> > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having navamsha in

> > the 4th is thus

> > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a reference in

> > rashi chakra,if

> > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too

> > planetary

> > placements and aspects are to based on rashi

> > dispositions,apart from

> > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has to

> > use the

> > combination which is strong.For example

> > -Profession-10th lord from

> > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such and

> > their rashi

> > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these will

> > have the say.

> >

> > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi by

> > some astrologers

> > is thought provoking too.

> >

> > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your questions in

> > this

> > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or Bhukthis.Vargas

> > show strength

> > modifications and each amsha sambandha a specific

> > role,for planets.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi

> > lagna is

> > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in the

> > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in

> > rashi

> > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic, for

> > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this

> > guru is

> > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from navansha

> > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you saying

> > > that because it is in 8th from the natal position

> > of

> > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ?

> > >

> > > I still would like to know how guru will behave

> > for

> > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi lagna. I

> > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not

> > addressing

> > > it fully. There are four combinations

> > >

> > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> > >

> > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> > >

> > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> > >

> > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha in

> > it is

> > > karka navansha.

> > >

> > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how will

> > you

> > > read these 4 cases qualitatively

> > >

> > > B. if you do not use houses in amshas(divisions)

> > how

> > > will you read these four cases.

> > >

> > > If you use how many amshas a planet has traversed

> > from

> > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in D-9...so

> > it is

> > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will

> > will

> > > read the situation.

> > >

> > > I still think we have not addressed this situation

> > to

> > > the fullest extent.

> > >

> > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but it

> > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my

> > opinion.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Ramapriya ji

> > > >

> > > > That was a brilliant explanation.

> > > >

> > > > Satish ji - Ramapriya ji was mentioning about

> > the

> > > > combination of

> > > > lagna ,lagna lord ,lagna lords amsha w.r to

> > natal

> > > > lagna.For

> > > > vimshopaka bala and bala of Guru ,your view is

> > > > correct.On the other

> > > > hand Karka is 8th house for Dhanu Lagna

> > people.If

> > > > lagna lord is

> > > > having amsha in a dusthana from natal lagna,then

> > it

> > > > is not beneficial

> > > > for certain matters.Gurus strength is not the

> > > > question,but the effect

> > > > on jataka w.r to lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Within a rashi we can think there are multiple

> > plug

> > > > points.Say if you

> > > > plug into the second navamsha slot within

> > aries,bulb

> > > > in the Taurus

> > > > rashi will glow.If you plug into the second

> > navamsha

> > > > slot within

> > > > gemini rashi,bulb in Scorpio rashi will glow

> > > > (because 2nd navamsha in

> > > > gemini is Scorpio).

> > > >

> > > > Thus it is all related to rashi position.12

> > Rashi

> > > > tattwas repeat in a

> > > > sequential order.Thus navamsha slot eventually

> > leads

> > > > to a particular

> > > > rashi.But analysis wise the rashi in which it is

> > > > falling also gives

> > > > some variations.Example results for Taurus

> > navamsha

> > > > within aries and

> > > > Gemini rashi's varies.Thats why transit within a

> > > > rashi can influence

> > > > planets placed in those amshas in chandra Kala

> > nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile i never said navamsha can be analsysed

> > > > similar to rashi

> > > > chakra.What i had said they follow the same

> > cyclical

> > > > order.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "D

> > Ramapriya"

> > > > <ramapriya.d@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/10/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the contrary, I am in the camp that

> > thinks

> > > > amshas

> > > > > > are not supposed to be used as charts...even

> > > > navansha.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

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Dear Vijaydasji,

 

Thanks. Thats what is done in traditional jyotish.

Navansha dispositor of a given house lord has a say in

the matters of that house.

 

Satish

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep >

wrote:

 

> Dear Satish ji

>

> 10th lord from Lagna will be in some

> navamsha.Identify the lord of

> this Navamsha.Look at his strength in Rashi chakra

> -He will have a

> say on Profession.Similarly do the exercise from

> Chandra and

> sometimes Soorya.Ofcourse 10th lord and

> placement/aspect in/on the

> 10th from lagna/Chandra is the general analysis,as

> usual.The best

> out of these will have final say.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

> , SPK

> <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Vijaydasji,

> >

> > You said

> > >>

> > For example

> > > -Profession-10th lord from

> > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such

> and

> > > their rashi

> > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these

> will

> > > have the say.

> > >>

> >

> > Could you elaborate on navansha lords of such ?

> > Navansha lords of what ?

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > P.S. Also lets put some principles in writing as

> we

> > discuss these cases

> >

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish ji

> > >

> > > Your points/examples are valid and thought

> > > provoking.

> > > Benefic/Malefic for a jataka has to be based on

> > > natal lagna and not

> > > its amsha,is my view.For example-Spouse and Luck

> > > -Jupiter is a

> > > benefic,for 7th and 9th house based on natal

> lagna

> > > and if for bhagya

> > > and wife(navamsha),the same Guru turns

> malefic,can

> > > we work with

> > > astrology.That will be the last thought from

> sage.

> > >

> > > Guru's strength is enhanced by exalted navamsha

> in

> > > all the

> > > cases,given by you.Amsha of 9th lord in the 8th

> from

> > > 9th house

> > > (though Guru in 9th will balance),will give

> slight

> > > difficulty

> > > for ''9th house'' indications.In your example,

> if

> > > 9th lord too had

> > > gone to ill,placements & amsha, from own place -

> 9th

> > > house effects

> > > would had been significantly affected.

> > >

> > > For Aries,Karka is 4th house.Guru having

> navamsha in

> > > the 4th is thus

> > > good.Lagna navamsha can be treated as a

> reference in

> > > rashi chakra,if

> > > lagna and its lord are weak.But in that case too

> > > planetary

> > > placements and aspects are to based on rashi

> > > dispositions,apart from

> > > amshas.Amshas will alter effects.I feel one has

> to

> > > use the

> > > combination which is strong.For example

> > > -Profession-10th lord from

> > > chandra/lagna as well as navamsha lords of such

> and

> > > their rashi

> > > sthithis, is a famous rule.Best out of these

> will

> > > have the say.

> > >

> > > Why Navamshas are sometimes drawn outside rashi

> by

> > > some astrologers

> > > is thought provoking too.

> > >

> > > Shri Sanath ,I have tried to cover your

> questions in

> > > this

> > > mail.Navamshas are not for Dashas or

> Bhukthis.Vargas

> > > show strength

> > > modifications and each amsha sambandha a

> specific

> > > role,for planets.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , SPK

> > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vijaydas,

> > > >

> > > > In the hypothetical example I gave. The rashi

> > > lagna is

> > > > not dhanu. In one case take it as mesha and in

> the

> > > > other case take it taurus. Guru in in dhanu in

> > > rashi

> > > > chart. So for mesh rising becomes a benefic,

> for

> > > > taurus rising becomes a malefic. Now when this

> > > guru is

> > > > in karaka navansha ( May be in 6th from

> navansha

> > > > lagna, or 5th from navansha lagna). Are you

> saying

> > > > that because it is in 8th from the natal

> position

> > > of

> > > > guru, even when exalted will not be good ?

> > > >

> > > > I still would like to know how guru will

> behave

> > > for

> > > > the mesh rashi lagna and for taurus rashi

> lagna. I

> > > > think we are nibbling at the isuue and not

> > > addressing

> > > > it fully. There are four combinations

> > > >

> > > > 1. Mesh lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> > > >

> > > > 2. Mesh lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> > > >

> > > > 3. taurus lagna D-1, Kumbha lagna D-9

> > > > 4. Taurus lagna D-1, Meena lagna D-9

> > > >

> > > > In D-1 guru is in dhanu rashi and in navansha

> in

> > > it is

> > > > karka navansha.

> > > >

> > > > A. If you use houses in amshas(Divisions) how

> will

> > > you

> > > > read these 4 cases qualitatively

> > > >

> > > > B. if you do not use houses in

> amshas(divisions)

> > > how

> > > > will you read these four cases.

> > > >

> > > > If you use how many amshas a planet has

> traversed

> > > from

> > > > rasi to amsha( Dhanu in D-1 to karka in

> D-9...so

> > > it is

> > > > 8th from the natal position in amsha) how will

> > > will

> > > > read the situation.

> > > >

> > > > I still think we have not addressed this

> situation

> > > to

> > > > the fullest extent.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for Rampriyaji for his explanation, but

> it

> > > > needs more debate and/or explanation in my

> > > opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramapriya ji

> > > > >

> > > > > That was a brilliant explanation.

>

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[Guest guest]

{Om Namo Narayanaya}

 

Dear members,

I request clarification of the following, being *still* a beginner

for quite sometime....

 

If the 10th lord is(also the 7th lord)Jupiter is in Dhanus,the

navamnsha dispositor being venus, who is in the 8th, Capricorn?

In Navamsha, Jupiter and Venus are conjunct in Taurus lagna,

With the 10th house being, Pisces, again lorded by Jupiter,

10th from Chandra(incidentally in 10th with Merc and Ketu conjuct)is

the 7th,Sagittarius,

The 7th and 10th lord Jupiter conjunct 9th lord, Saturn with digbala

(lord of the rasi of the Nav dispositor of Jup in Rasi Chakra) in

sagittarius,

The lagna lord deb in Pisces.

>From Surya, 10th lord Mars, is in the Nav of Aries, in 8th,capricorn,

conjunct Venus, who is the 5th and 12th lord.

How would you arrive at a conclusion w.r.t to career/profession.

Would the biggies, Jup and Venus have the final say?

Would Saturn, Mars et al chip in too as there is a concentration of

planets in the 7th, 8th and the 10th houses and all of them seem to

be interconnected and I am running in circles...

Kindly bear with my limited mental faculties coupled with confusion,

( I have not ventured into D10 or the Nakshatra dispositors ;-))

 

Thanks,

Nalini

 

, "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda

wrote:

>

>

> hi satish, you have raised an important point about the use of

> divisional charts and whether things are getting out of hand,

> based on my fairly long experience with jyotish, let me place

before

> you how i use vargas, observe and put to test- if you see it

working

> use it, if not forget it !

>

> 1) the 12 house lords in the rasi chakra are the "only" 12 house

> lords, period.

>

> 2) the 12 houses exist in the varga chart, planets in them show

> results as per texts.

>

> for ex- jup as lagna lord may be in a kendra in rasi chakra and in

> kendra in navamsa chakra, in say taurus rasi and taurus navamsa, so

> its strong because its in a kendra in 2 very important charts.

> so now this means jup is fairly strong as a karak and also as 1st

> house lord. note- jups position is d-9 is seen based on d-9 lagna.

>

> hope its clear,

>

> Thanks for your time,

>

>

>

>

> Suneel Hooda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Rampriyaji,

> >

> > On the contrary, I am in the camp that thinks amshas

> > are not supposed to be used as charts...even navansha.

> >

> > Although I want to get opinions of other learned

> > members. I fell that this is the single most important

> > topic of jyotish and we have been driven by books and

> > internet gurus to use divisions as separate charts. It

> > has gone to a point that it is taken by many as a

> > forgone conclusion. Unless we understand amshas and

> > how they were meant to be used, we will be doing great

> > disservice to jyotish learning.

> >

> > In the example I gave and you replied to,

> >

> > Why you say guru in dhanu and karka navsha is not good

> > ? Own sign in rashi and exalted in navansha. What you

> > mean by 6th from navansha position ? It is in sixth

> > house( if you use houses in navansha) if the navansha

> > lagna is kumbha. If it is meena it is in 5th house of

> > navansha.

> >

> > I thnk this question is imporatnt. IF you do use

> > houses in navansha, then please tell how will guru pan

> > out in two different navansha houses. If you do not

> > use houses in navansha then the karka navansha is just

> > that karka navansha, regardless of navansha lagna.

> >

> > Any comments are welcome

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > See the navamshas as miniature strips of the various

> > > rasis laid out across

> > > the zodiac. No rasi is or behaves the same all

> > > through its 30-degree span.

> > > Although it owns Sagittarius, Jupiter is truly

> > > comfortable in only some

> > > portions of that rasi. The Capricorn navamsha within

> > > it isn't one of them as

> > > you'll agree. It is this that the navamsha points

> > > clues towards.

> > >

> > > Rasi is the larger outwardly window, the one that's

> > > seemingly your gift for

> > > this lifetime. The navamshas stand dignified behind

> > > blinds. The window might

> > > show Venus to be in Pisces - exalted, meditative,

> > > serene and all that sort

> > > of thing. Thrilled? Look deeper and the blighted

> > > thing might be in the worst

> > > possible 3-degree Virgo bit. The navamsha of the

> > > debilitation sign in the

> > > rasi of exaltation is the Achilles' heel, so to

> > > speak. It's the worst spot

> > > within the rasi for the planet to be in. Pffffft.

> > > It's a bit of a

> > > misfortune, a downcoming. Since that little bit is a

> > > matter of luck or

> > > fortune, navamsha is regarded as the purvapunya

> > > barometer. How you've

> > > behaved yourself the last time around is what's said

> > > to be reflected by the

> > > luck that planets bring for you; planetary dignity,

> > > some call it, not wholly

> > > without reason.

> > >

> > > Navamsha placements are used in different ways for

> > > different reasons. I use

> > > them to (a) reascertain rasi indications, (b) get an

> > > idea of how the dasa of

> > > that planet might pan out and © to make my

> > > readings look more complicated

> > > so that I can charge the gullibles more

> > >

> > > Incidentally, in the example you gave, there's

> > > nothing nice about Jup being

> > > in watery Cancer navamsha if it's in fiery

> > > Sagittarius in rasi, 6th from the

> > > navamsha position. Trinal navamshas are clement,

> > > 6ths, 7ths and 8ths yucky

> > > and so on.

> > >

> > > Hope this helped,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> > > PS: I see that you seem to use the navamsha chart as

> > > a standalone. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 12/9/06, SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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