Parampara Astrology & Prafulla's experience Part 1

December 6, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Prafulla,

Today whole day has gone in emails on this list only but its been a very

nice good day on list, so am happy, this mail of urs is loaded so will

address it in tits n bits.

a) Mars is in the 9th from Sun and so it should be retrograde, but ur

birth is 17:40 & retrogression starts at 18:25 at 9.48 deg of Mars, this

Mars I would say is very stationary making it powerful & it is

yogakaraka

b) Was this accident after Dec 11th 1999

c) U know all this but just expressing myself, 3L of younger brother is

in the 8H of foreign with 7L (foreign) in sign Pisces (watery sign),

lives either in island or near water, unless I look at Gemini for his

house which is another way of looking but 3L is Ven so it is south east

(australia is south east) but then i haven't found this consistent

approach.

d) If u can write privately what did the astrologer check in ur chest

area???

e) July 2002 to Aug 2003 - how was ur life (u can write here or private

whichever is more appropriate )

f) From 2001 Sep to 2003 Apr (SJ notes: Prarab C)

g) re the accident in Dec 1999 I feel Bhrigu's or Bhargava's blessing

might have been there to save ur entire family even when everything was

damaged, I checked it with something but then its not something that one

can say with surety from astrological point of view as it is not

mentioned in classics.

Kind regards

Sunil

P;S: Part 2 on rest of ur mail in some time

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Please remove "Mr." from my name.

>

> My birth data - March 8, 1967; 17.40 IST; Jodhpur (Raj) - 26N17 /

73E04 (no issues in sharing the chart -you can further share for your

references, if warranted). Yes, I have a younger brother - (lives away

from us in Australia). I had many accidents - and with the grace of God

- got saved - almost unscratched - Last one in dec 1999 (when I was

returning from Karoi / Kota - after meeting bhrigu astrologer) - head on

collision with truck - seeing the damaged car - no one could believe

that - entire family survived almost unscratched.

>

> There is another interesting fact - per lahiri - my moon is in

Dhanistha (simha navamsa - with rahu); and per his local panchang - it

is in Sravana (karaka navamsa with guru). If moon is taken in Sravana -

then Sun becomes AK (else it is Moon).

>

> The local panchang is called bhrampakshi panchang. Quite old one -

perhaps few hundred years. The panchangkarta is royal astrologer for

Jodhpur Kingdom (for those long years). They do not take shani moving

back to previous sign (currently - it is in Karaka, and will come in

May/June 2007 to simha). His budha position also changes marginally.

>

> I tried to match his dasa / moon by switching to topocentric / true

positions / lahiri less 54 seconds.

>

> I absolutely agree with you that - some of these downtown astrologers,

know how to unlock any specific dosha. One of such astrologer, in my

discussion, did reveal to me - that no dosha works, unless there is

affliction to 8th house. 8th house is "Pinda" - our source of birth /

origin and chart can not grow beyond its strength; and it also works as

protection shield for this life. Somewhat - it coorelates with the 8th

house importance given in Deve keralam as well (of course, can be

expanded to other houses as well). We may like to say - about their

intuition powers, but in fact - they are privy to some secret clues,

which is passed on to them - in family.

>

> Another astrologer - (very good in his prediction..though he rarely

does) - suggested me to take transit from the inverse chart - say for

leo lagna - read chart from kumbha (as transit positions are in sky -

and from earth - it is to be taken like mirror image). His predictive

success are excellent. I have not explored it as yet, but he refused to

reveal the source of such reference (he himself being panchangkarta -

and must have some serious wok done in this).

>

> BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial ones,

and do not have any major interest in writing books / reading for

name/fame etc.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

>

> ************************************************

>

> suniljohn_2002

> Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:03:59 -0000

>

> Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600

yrs/Prafulla's experience

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Mr. Prafulla,

>

> Fantastic mail from you. Can I ask u ur chart details here or

privately,

> I would be interested in seeing ur chart in retrospect of what this

> jyotishi said re the retrogression. If it is not possible for you to

> share I understand & no worries re it.

>

> Would u by any chance know which ayanamsa this traditionalist used

>

> I think with the Mars Ketu in the 3rd house I still would have said

> vehicular accidents but only damage to Metal (Mars) being 12th from

4th.

> Ketu would create that loss of metal or no younger siblings.

>

> But sometimes I have found lot of afflictions on 3rd house and still

> younger siblings are present.

>

> Yes u recollect well, the name of the Bhrigu Pandit is Nathuramji.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil

> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing chart

> reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal secret

> clues).

> >

> > My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and when

I

> met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and said that -

> my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only after

verifying

> the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967 panchang and to

my

> surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi panchang. Twice - he

> warned me one day before the accident. I happen to be living in Dubai

> those years - and my friend called me to tell, that he wants to speak

> with me. He asked me to find peepal tree urgently (difficult in

islamic

> country those days - 1996) and offer milk/honey/water the same day.

> luckily we survived. Next day, second car's engine got fire. Upon

> calling him - his first question was about second accident. He was

> amazingly accurate.

> >

> > My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of these

> downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

> >

> > I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

> Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

> readings.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

care.

> >

> > ************************************************

> >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002@

> > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> > >

> > > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

&

> self

> > > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

but

> > > still would like to clarify.

> > >

> > > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> examples

> > > & coffee is required.

> > >

> > > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

astrologers

> > > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> internet

> > > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> shlokas

> > > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

> their

> > > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

all

> of

> > > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> meanwhile

> > > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

> the

> > > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> village

> > > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

> gets

> > > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

by

> Dec

> > > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> > >

> > > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > > believing what has happened.

> > >

> > > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

fake

> > > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> reference

> > > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> > >

> > > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

is

> > > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

> this

> > > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

> will

> > > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer

&

> > > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

they

> do

> > > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> > >

> > > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> > >

> > > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

title

> > > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

&

> > > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

> wrote to

> > > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

asking

> > > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

> with

> > > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

> to

> > > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

corrupted

> him

> > > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

North.

> Such

> > > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> > >

> > > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

> D60

> > > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

> seen,

> > > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

> going

> > > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

> after

> > > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

yrs

> of

> > > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

the

> > > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

pandit

> to

> > > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

> went

> > > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

very

> > > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> recites.

> > > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

> this

> > > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

73

> of

> > > this mentor.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

> Bhakti,

> > > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

> that

> > > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

but

> it

> > > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

Baa

> Bahu

> > > aur baby)

> > >

> > > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

lists

> have

> > > become platform for.

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sunil,

> > >>

> > >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

(Major

> > >> part) but also

> > >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > >> learning,

> > >> and also attending lectures

> > >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > >> constellations) charts

> > >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

> gives

> > >> me fortunately

> > >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > >> conformity may

> > >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

> the

> > >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > >>

> > >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

up

> > >> with

> > >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > >> that the

> > >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

> many

> > >> know to use

> > >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > >> divisional charts

> > >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

> age,

> > >> they

> > >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

householders

> > >> each

> > >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

> and

> > >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

> with

> > >> due

> > >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

> city

> > >> through

> > >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > >> shlokas

> > >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > >>

> > >> Best wishes,

> > >> Bhaskar.

> > >>

> > >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> > >>>

> > >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> > >>>

> > >>> , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > >>> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Sunil,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

he

> > >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > >>>> emphasise transits'//

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

special

> > >> way'

> > >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> > >>>

> > >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > >>>> the native.

> > >>>

> > >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

stimulate

> > >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

> back

> > >> that

> > >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > >> astrologer

> > >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > >>> astrologer sees.

> > >>>

> > >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> internet

> > >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

what

> > >> is

> > >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

We

> go

> > >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > >> maximum

> > >>> Navamsa

> > >>>

> > >>> Sunil

> > >>>

> > >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

> have

> > >>>> the power to offer .

> > >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

6th

> > >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > >> transit,

> > >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

physical

> > >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

transit

> > >> in

> > >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

11th

> > >> or

> > >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

native

> > >>>> health wise.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> > >> it at

> > >>>>> all).

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > >> Avayogi &

> > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > >> then

> > >>>> its

> > >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > >> Santhanam

> > >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> > >> would

> > >>>> make

> > >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > >>>> wouldn't

> > >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

would

> > >>>> like to

> > >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

its

> > >> not

> > >>>> easy

> > >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > >>>> statistically

> > >>>>> test it how much it works.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

AL

> > >>>> gives

> > >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> > >> at

> > >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > >>>> job.

> > >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

(indu

> > >>>> lagna)

> > >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > >>>> jyotish

> > >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > >> uses it

> > >>>> in a

> > >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > >>>> transits'

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Sunil John

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Mumbai

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > >> <suneelhooda@>

> > >>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

sharing

> > >>>> your

> > >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > >>>> available

> > >>>>>> for free download),

> > >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> > >> ways

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

as

> > >>>>> Santhanam

> > >>>>>> used it.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Hi,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > >> [sunil]:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > >> suneelhooda@

> > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> > >> back,

> > >>>>> grab

> > >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > >>>> predictive

> > >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > >>>> this art

> > >>>>>> as

> > >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > >> techniques.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> > >> with

> > >>>> most

> > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > >> what I

> > >>>> use

> > >>>>>>>> personally,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> > >> to

> > >>>> hear

> > >>>>> as

> > >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > >>>> would

> > >>>>> rate

> > >>>>>>>> them Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > > based on

> > >>> a

> > >>>>>>> dasa's

> > >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > >>>> survived

> > >>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > >>>> system

> > >>>>> fell

> > >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > >> rules to

> > >>>>> apply

> > >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > >>>> though not

> > >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > >>>> northern

> > >>>>>> India

> > >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> > >> that

> > >>>>> play

> > >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > >> describe

> > >>>> how

> > >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > >>>> accurate

> > >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > >> timing

> > >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> > >> what

> > >>>>> gives

> > >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > >> very

> > >>>>> unique

> > >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > >> approach,

> > >>>> if I

> > >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > >>>> used is

> > >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > >>>> subject.

> > >>>>> The

> > >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > >>>> will

> > >>>>> post

> > >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > >> this

> > >>>> dasa

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > >>>> since if

> > >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> > >> IS ,

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > >>>> manner

> > >>>>> e.g

> > >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > >>>> quickly in

> > >>>>>> few

> > >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> > >> gone

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>> self

> > >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > >>>> Chronic

> > >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> > >> GK-

> > >>>> Gnati

> > >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > >>>> Brown -

> > >>>>> his

> > >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> > >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> > >> any

> > >>>>> software

> > >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > >>>>

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > >>>> lagnas. I

> > >>>>>> know

> > >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > >>>> me, it

> > >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > >>>> describes

> > >>>>>> its

> > >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > >> that

> > >>>> there

> > >>>>>> are

> > >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > >> simple

> > >>>> non

> > >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> > >> use

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>> dasa

> > >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > >>>> given me

> > >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> > >> deep

> > >>>>>> study.

> > >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > >> Moon/Sun

> > >>>> when

> > >>>>>> all

> > >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> > >> but

> > >>>> why

> > >>>>>> Moon

> > >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > >>>> exalted in

> > >>>>> D7

> > >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > >>>> agree it

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > >>>> Nirriti

> > >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> > >> the

> > >>>> cause

> > >>>>> of

> > >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > >> one of

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > >> this 3rd

> > >>>>> child

> > >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> > >> the

> > >>>>>> effects

> > >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > >> ruling

> > >>>>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > >> take

> > >>>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > >>>> each

> > >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > >> time

> > >>>> comes.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > >> little

> > >>>>> time

> > >>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>> use it

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > >>>>> effecting

> > >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> > >> child

> > >>>>> (from

> > >>>>>>> 5H)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > >>>> FINE, NO

> > >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > >> spirits !)

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> > >> of

> > >>>>> chronic

> > >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > >> diseasegiver

> > >>>> etc

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> > >> can

> > >>>>> happen

> > >>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>> this period

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > >> Karmic

> > >>>>> issues

> > >>>>>> of

> > >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > >> situation

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>>> can

> > >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > >> being

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>> 8th

> > >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> > >> this

> > >>>>> chart)

> > >>>>>> we

> > >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > >>>>> diseases

> > >>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > >>>> diseases, &

> > >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > >>>> hospitals,

> > >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > >> chronic

> > >>>>>> diseases

> > >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > >> disease, big

> > >>>>> time

> > >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sunil John

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Mumbai

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > >>>> dasas,

> > >>>>> it

> > >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> > >> some

> > >>>>>> hints-

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> > >> and

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > >>>> seeing

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > >>>> being

> > >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > >> change

> > >>>> of

> > >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > >>>> people

> > >>>>>> who

> > >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > >> vimsottotri is

> > >>>> not

> > >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã‚Â– a planet

in

> > >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> > >>>>>>> /--

> > >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > >> lagna/5

> > >>>>> th/9th

> > >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > >> results

> > >>>> based

> > >>>>> on

> > >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > >> that in

> > >>>>> mind,

> > >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> > >> with

> > >>>> most

> > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > >> other

> > >>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > >> consistently.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> > >> do

> > >>>> you

> > >>>>> use

> > >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

December 7, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Dear Prafulla,

Many thanks for ur feedback, reply as [sunil]:

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> >

> > a) Mars is in the 9th from Sun and so it should be retrograde, but

ur

> > birth is 17:40 & retrogression starts at 18:25 at 9.48 deg of Mars,

this

> > Mars I would say is very stationary making it powerful & it is

> > yogakaraka

>

> I somehow feel that it is retrograde. May be that session with

astrologer is prejudicing me. Somehow, my personality does not reflect

mars in 3rd.

> [sunil]: Being retrograde would make it very powerful wont it, so it

wouldn't match with ur personality , u are too cool a guy. but then to

be honest I still feel retrogression is one topic most astrologers

tremble & avoid as texts give many contradictory views & I haven't been

able to grasp it, I still await Patels book on retrogression

> > b) Was this accident after Dec 11th 1999

>

> Yes - the last one on Dec 22nd or 23rd 1999. (the earlier one in may

97)

[sunil]: Using Dwisaptati Sama dasa we could pin point Dec 11th as Moon

AD or PD starts on 11th but finer tuning which I wasn't sure of was

gotten from Tithi Pravesh, when Sat in 6H in pravesh chart starts on

23rd Dec, but i wasn't too sure though Sat was deb I tink (writing from

memory) & previous dasa of Mer placed in 4H could have also given so I

didn't suggest the date.

>

> > c) U know all this but just expressing myself, 3L of younger brother

is

> > in the 8H of foreign with 7L (foreign) in sign Pisces (watery sign),

> > lives either in island or near water, unless I look at Gemini for

his

> > house which is another way of looking but 3L is Ven so it is south

east

> > (australia is south east) but then i haven't found this consistent

> > approach.

>

> Yes.

>

> > d) If u can write privately what did the astrologer check in ur

chest

> > area???

> >

> Thickness of chest skin. [sunil]: sorry still unable to clearly

understand what the pundits thinking was, is Mars supposed to be thick

or shouldn't it be a tough good looking chest. I am missing something

elementary here

>

> > e) July 2002 to Aug 2003 - how was ur life (u can write here or

private

> > whichever is more appropriate )

> >

> > f) From 2001 Sep to 2003 Apr (SJ notes: Prarab C)

>

> Generally speaking - the period after 2001 was inferior to the period

from 93-99. I relocated to India in June 1999; and had complete shift in

working domain (from consulting to IT). Yes, focus of life changed as

well dramatically. I will write in more detail seperately.

>

> [sunil]: thanks for ur seperate note, the point of change is correct

as per the dasa which I wanted to confirm

> > g) re the accident in Dec 1999 I feel Bhrigu's or Bhargava's

blessing

> > might have been there to save ur entire family even when everything

was

> > damaged, I checked it with something but then its not something that

one

> > can say with surety from astrological point of view as it is not

> > mentioned in classics.

>

> Well - can be. Blessings could have only saved us. Incidently, in the

same trip - I met a blind astrologer in Kota (Raj) - who could tell from

any our belongings. He took my hand - smelt - and gave readings. Since

primary focus of the reading in that session - was my brother's marriage

- so spent most of time on that. However, prior to this travel, same

Chandu Panchang astrologer did tell me that - I should never travel with

my brother.

[sunil]: Bingo & bingo again, the blind man confirms why I said Bhargava

Rishi (Ven) & Ven is blind (Bali & Vishnu story) , the omen of blind

astrologer confirms the protective hand of Shukra, though I used a

seperate chakra to ascertain that, but its not a statistical technique

nor can it be hence I do not talk about it openly till I test other

variatiants of it extensively

>

> I will like to share another interesting / dreadful event. I had to

travel to Yemen / Eriteria in April 2004 for consulting task. and my

local astrologer asked me to make some locket, prior to departure ( from

a craftmen at Bikaner - far off place from jodhpur). For some funny

reasons - the receipt of locket kept on postponing for few weeks and so

was the travel plan(including return back from airport etc). After

receipt of locket, I could travel in first week of May 2004. While, we

being at Eriteria - my client's passport was seized for some Joint

venture dispute (by his local partner there .. as they put wrong

claim..and we could not fly back until legal case is settled ..

something like happened in Polaris case in Indonesia). With the

involvement of Indian consulate at kenya, Indian Foreign ministers etc -

the whole matter could settle in 5 weeks and we could come back. Yes, in

this entire process - my passport was not seized (both other companions

had this issue) and was never put to legal case. The entire trip of few

days got extended to 6 weeks. When I came back and met the astrologer -

he told me the purpose of locket is over and I can remove it.

[sunil]: This is an amazing incident, thanks for sharing it, only lucky

people get such astrologers as guiding factors. I might advice not to

travel to places with ai (sanskrit word), y or e (eee) but do not take

me seriously here since I haven't tested this method statistically over

40-50 charts

best wishes

Sunil

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> There are some things you learn best in calm, and some in storm.

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