Divisional Transits - ancient reference/Prafulla/Santhanam

December 6, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Dear Prafulla,

Thanks for ur mail

1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that article,

vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also comes out

it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between someone

called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel Saheb has

done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from Devakerelam

where divisional transits are quoted.

below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology unless

ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology we have

today are preserved.

I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to be

released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list & I

request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

Divisional Transits

We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse 3124

(below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi represented

in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the sign

occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from enemies,

mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from Secret

Blemish

Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi,

native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will have

termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga results.

Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi

Conclusion From Above Verses

1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage Matters

can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with Marriage.

I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list has once

again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

best wishes

SJ

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL, person

> > changed residence for job.

>

> [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10 must

support job related changes.

>

> > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if possible

n

> > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand kakshya

> > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> >

>

> [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long back. On

Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

>

> > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine can be

> > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in handy

pls

> > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of my

> > library that it is now.

>

> [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the mechanism

from my library)

>

> A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the Moon

sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see below)

of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of

these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign gives the

Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as

follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10; Venus

= 12; and Saturn = 1.

>

> The general principle may be further modified by taking into account

the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both these are

in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made directly, but

in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be

counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is

Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is

Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus as

ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse direction

is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if the

natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and in the

case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If the

remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is counted

directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even, the

counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse

direction.

>

> > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might know

that,

> > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me, later

I

> > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who demonstrated

it in

> > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some would

say

> > but Real Parampara I would say.

> >

>

> [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and it

works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen this

in use.

>

> > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his

books,

> > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome in

real

> > practice to the short time i get per chart

>

> [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has

explained this in his book.

>

> > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must master (I

> > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it beautifully &

> > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

spectacular

> > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too but

> > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits together,

i

> > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional in his

> > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't budge

an

> > inch.

>

> [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve Keralam -

and then seen its application successfuly, by few local astrologers. and

I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

>

> > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis family.

When he

> > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of best

nadi

> > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

computer

> > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I would

be

> > most interested to see it.

>

> [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to travel

India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had spoken to

him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to Varanasi for

that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken over by

some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as well.

After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after shifting to

India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book / data - I

will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with his

family.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

>

> ************************************************

>

> > , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Sunil,

> >>

> >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many of

> > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > Government).

> >>

> >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

software

> > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon / lagna

(i.e.

> > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct

method.

> > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu

Lagna's

> > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

materialistic

> > gains.

> >>

> >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent

results

> > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding principles).

Sun's

> > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as favourable

> > career period.

> >>

> >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very effective

> > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the family.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

care.

> >>

> >> ************************************************

> >>

> >>>

> >>> suniljohn_2002@

> >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

Lagna/Suneel

> >>>

> >>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>

> >>> Dear Suneel,

> >>>

> >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it

at

> >>> all).

> >>>

> >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi &

> >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> >>>

> >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then

> > its

> >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

Santhanam

> >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

would

> > make

> >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > wouldn't

> >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> >>>

> >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

like

> > to

> >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

not

> > easy

> >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > statistically

> >>> test it how much it works.

> >>>

> >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> > gives

> >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at

> >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

job.

> >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> >>>

> >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> > lagna)

> >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> >>>

> >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > jyotish

> >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses

it

> > in a

> >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > transits'

> >>>

> >>> Sunil John

> >>>

> >>> Mumbai

> >>>

> >>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

your

> >>>> learned views on this topic,

> >>>>

> >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > available

> >>>> for free download),

> >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways

to

> >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> >>> Santhanam

> >>>> used it.

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>> Suneel hooda

> >>>>

> >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hi,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> >>> grab

> >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

predictive

> >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this

> > art

> >>>> as

> >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with

> > most

> >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I

use

> >>>>>> personally,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to

hear

> >>> as

> >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would

> >>> rate

> >>>>>> them Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging based

on a

> >>>>> dasa's

> >>>>>> usage popularity

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > survived

> >>>> to

> >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

> >>> fell

> >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

> >>> apply

> >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though

> > not

> >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

> >>>> India

> >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> >>> play

> >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe

how

> >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

accurate

> >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

> >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what

> >>> gives

> >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very

> >>> unique

> >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach,

if

> > I

> >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used

> > is

> >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject.

> >>> The

> >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will

> >>> post

> >>>>>> a section on it.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this

dasa

> >>> is

> >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

since

> > if

> >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS ,

> > that

> >>> is

> >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

manner

> >>> e.g

> >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly

> > in

> >>>> few

> >>>>> secs I use it this way

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone

to

> >>> self

> >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > Chronic

> >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK-

> > Gnati

> >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown

-

> >>> his

> >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Gordon Brown

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Natal Chart

> >>>>>

> >>>>> February 20, 1951

> >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any

> >>> software

> >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >>> to

> >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas.

I

> >>>> know

> >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me,

it

> >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

describes

> >>>> its

> >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that

> > there

> >>>> are

> >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple

non

> >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use

> > the

> >>>> dasa

> >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given

> > me

> >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep

> >>>> study.

> >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun

> > when

> >>>> all

> >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but

why

> >>>> Moon

> >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted

> > in

> >>> D7

> >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree

> > it

> >>> is

> >>>>> in 4H of D7

> >>>>>

> >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

Nirriti

> >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the

> > cause

> >>> of

> >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of

> > the

> >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd

> >>> child

> >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the

> >>>> effects

> >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

> >>>> yogini

> >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take

> >>> yogini

> >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each

> >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time

> > comes.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little

> >>> time

> >>>> to

> >>>>> use it

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> >>>>>

> >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> >>> effecting

> >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child

> >>> (from

> >>>>> 5H)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> >>>>>

> >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE,

NO

> >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> >>>>>

> >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of

> >>> chronic

> >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver

etc

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> >>>>>

> >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can

> >>> happen

> >>>> in

> >>>>> this period

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic

> >>> issues

> >>>> of

> >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation

> > that

> >>>> can

> >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being

the

> >>> 8th

> >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this

> >>> chart)

> >>>> we

> >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> >>> diseases

> >>>> in

> >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

diseases,

> > &

> >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

hospitals,

> >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic

> >>>> diseases

> >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big

> >>> time

> >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sunil John

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mumbai

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

dasas,

> >>> it

> >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> >>>> hints-

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and

the

> >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

seeing

> >>> is

> >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being

> >>>>>> shared with many people.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change

of

> >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that

> >>> the

> >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

people

> >>>> who

> >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is

not

> >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã‚Â– a planet in

> >>>> Kendra/kona

> >>>>> /--

> >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5

> >>> th/9th

> >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results

based

> >>> on

> >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

> >>> mind,

> >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

> > most

> >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other

> > yogini

> >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do

you

> >>> use

> >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

December 6, 2006

At Bharatiya Vidya Bhawan there was a research study conducted some long

time ago, wherein the divisional charts of the transit positions were also

considered and applied i.e. overlaid on individual's horoscope & divisonal

charts, the results were revealing and are in conformity with actual

events. One example of such application is given in Col Gour's book on

Transits.

It is upto the "innovative astrologer" to decrypt the methods, however,

going by the endless debate on transit planets application, either from

Lagna or Moon, elders like Sri C. S. Patel, Sri Seshadri Iyer, Sri K.N. Rao

& many other respected authorities have taken it from Lagna & house

positions and the same is clearly mentioned in their respective works.

with regards

sreeram srinivas

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil

Navamsha ''Gemini Rashi'' and Natal ''Gemini Rashi'' are not, two

Different Rashis.One single Gemini Rashi.See the question below -

from Shri Sanjay Rath - (as my discussions were also going in

parallel with Suryarao/S.Rath)

1)''If Mars is aspecting Tula rashi in the rashi chakra, then it

aspects Tula rashi in the navamsa, dasamsa and all other divisional

charts!!!Wow. I had never heard of this. Is this the suggestion

Vijaydas ji.??''.

2)Then i should ask shri Rath- If Saturn transits Tula rashi in

rashi chakra, how will it influence Tula rashi in the navamsa,

dasamsa and all other divisional charts(SJC tradition)!!!.Wow how

can this happen Sanjay ji ,if the above is strange?? - Two

different yard sticks ? Can you see the inconsistency here Sunil?.

Reason behind inconsistency and the above question is assumption

of ''divisions'' as ''seperate charts'' and one Tula rashi as many.

What is happening in reality? -

1)Mars is aspecting the one and only Rashi called Tula.2)Saturn is

Transiting a single Rashi.If this is not clear -then doubts

like ''Mars aspecting Tula in navamsha chakra/dashamsha chakra''

will arise.

This Rashi can become different reference points.1)Chandra/Lagna,2)

Chandra Navamsha3)Lagnamsha,4)Karaka graha having amsha(Karakamsha)

etc.Similar to bhavat bhavam,then 7th, 8th etc from these reference

points can be studied in rashi chakra.This is what you have quoted

from Chandrakala nadi.No seperate charts.Late Santanam clearly

ruling out aspects in group of varga dispositions makes his view

point clear.(amsha dispositions groups are not sepearate charts).

His amsha trasnit example is entirely different from grouping

navamsha/dashamsha dispositions and treating them akin to rashi

chakra !!!.

Treating Rashi chakra as one among 16 Vargas is against the very

fundamental definiton.Others having better understanding can correct

me.Kindly check this with shri C.S.Patel.

Thanks

Pradeep

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> Thanks for ur mail

>

> 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that article,

> vaguely I remember thanks for sharing.

>

> 2) Re Santhanam pls do follow up, if his unfinished work also

comes out

> it would help millions. u would do a great service to astrology.

>

> 3) On one of the blog posts there was a big debate between someone

> called Surya Rao & Sanjay Rath on divisional transits. Patel Saheb

has

> done us great work in bringing out the some fine verses from

Devakerelam

> where divisional transits are quoted.

>

> below is for those who do not believe anything in astrology unless

> ancient texts (shlokas) are quoted as if everything of astrology

we have

> today are preserved.

>

> I should ideally not be posting this as it is someone's yet to be

> released article but I hope his publisher is not on this list & I

> request people not to quote it till the article comes out.

> Divisional Transits

> We came across a verse in ChandraKala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse 3124

> (below is translation by Shri C.S.Patel)

>

> Verse 3124 : When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi

represented

> in the natal chart by the Moons occupied Navasma Rasi) or the sign

> occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from

enemies,

> mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

>

> Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from

Secret

> Blemish

>

> Verse 2044/45 : When Saturn transits 8th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi,

> native will suffer great calamity during Rahu's period and will

have

> termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga

results.

>

> Verse 2385 talks about bad results in 7th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi

>

> Conclusion From Above Verses

> 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be

> strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted

>

> 2) Interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage

Matters

> can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with

Marriage.

>

> I am sorry I cut this mail short, my participation on the list has

once

> again increased and am trying to cut down on responses & retire

>

> Thank you for ur detailed reply, it was pleasure.

>

> best wishes

>

> SJ

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed,

> > > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL,

person

> > > changed residence for job.

> >

> > [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used

> consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10

must

> support job related changes.

> >

> > > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if

possible

> n

> > > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand

kakshya

> > > transits due to lower intelligence I guess

> > >

> >

> > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long

back. On

> Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya.

> >

> > > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine

can be

> > > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in

handy

> pls

> > > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of

my

> > > library that it is now.

> >

> > [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the

mechanism

> from my library)

> >

> > A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the

Moon

> sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see

below)

> of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of

> these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign

gives the

> Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as

> follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10;

Venus

> = 12; and Saturn = 1.

> >

> > The general principle may be further modified by taking into

account

> the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both

these are

> in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made

directly, but

> in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be

> counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is

> Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is

> Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus

as

> ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse

direction

> is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if

the

> natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and

in the

> case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If

the

> remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is

counted

> directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even,

the

> counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse

> direction.

> >

> > > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might

know

> that,

> > > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me,

later

> I

> > > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who

demonstrated

> it in

> > > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some

would

> say

> > > but Real Parampara I would say.

> > >

> >

> > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and

it

> works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen

this

> in use.

> >

> > > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his

> books,

> > > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome

in

> real

> > > practice to the short time i get per chart

> >

> > [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has

> explained this in his book.

> >

> > > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must

master (I

> > > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it

beautifully &

> > > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes

> spectacular

> > > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too

but

> > > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits

together,

> i

> > > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional

in his

> > > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't

budge

> an

> > > inch.

> >

> > [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve

Keralam -

> and then seen its application successfuly, by few local

astrologers. and

> I have observed this working with reasonable success rate.

> >

> > > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis

family.

> When he

> > > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of

best

> nadi

> > > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or

> computer

> > > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I

would

> be

> > > most interested to see it.

> >

> > [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to

travel

> India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had

spoken to

> him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to

Varanasi for

> that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken

over by

> some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as

well.

> After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after

shifting to

> India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book /

data - I

> will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with

his

> family.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

care.

> >

> > ************************************************

> >

> > > , Prafulla Gang jyotish@

wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sunil,

> > >>

> > >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many

of

> > > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda

> > > Government).

> > >>

> > >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most

> software

> > > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon /

lagna

> (i.e.

> > > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct

> method.

> > > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu

> Lagna's

> > > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for

> materialistic

> > > gains.

> > >>

> > >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent

> results

> > > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding

principles).

> Sun's

> > > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as

favourable

> > > career period.

> > >>

> > >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very

effective

> > > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the

family.

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much

you

> care.

> > >>

> > >> ************************************************

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> suniljohn_2002@

> > >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000

> > >>>

> > >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu

> Lagna/Suneel

> > >>>

> > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Suneel,

> > >>>

> > >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

prefer it

> at

> > >>> all).

> > >>>

> > >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

Avayogi &

> > >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > >>>

> > >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

then

> > > its

> > >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> Santhanam

> > >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> would

> > > make

> > >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > > wouldn't

> > >>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > >>>

> > >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

would

> like

> > > to

> > >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

its

> not

> > > easy

> > >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > statistically

> > >>> test it how much it works.

> > >>>

> > >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

to AL

> > > gives

> > >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

working at

> > >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

giving

> job.

> > >>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > >>>

> > >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

(indu

> > > lagna)

> > >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > >>>

> > >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > > jyotish

> > >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

uses

> it

> > > in a

> > >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > transits'

> > >>>

> > >>> Sunil John

> > >>>

> > >>> Mumbai

> > >>>

> > >>> , "Suneel Hooda"

suneelhooda@

> > >>> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

sharing

> your

> > >>>> learned views on this topic,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > > available

> > >>>> for free download),

> > >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

ways

> to

> > >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

as

> > >>> Santhanam

> > >>>> used it.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Regards,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Suneel hooda

> > >>>>

> > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Hi,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

[sunil]:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

suneelhooda@

> > >>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

back,

> > >>> grab

> > >>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> predictive

> > >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

this

> > > art

> > >>>> as

> > >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

techniques.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

with

> > > most

> > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

what I

> use

> > >>>>>> personally,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

to

> hear

> > >>> as

> > >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

would

> > >>> rate

> > >>>>>> them Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging based

> on a

> > >>>>> dasa's

> > >>>>>> usage popularity

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > > survived

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

system

> > >>> fell

> > >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

rules to

> > >>> apply

> > >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

though

> > > not

> > >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

northern

> > >>>> India

> > >>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

that

> > >>> play

> > >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

describe

> how

> > >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> accurate

> > >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

timing

> > >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

what

> > >>> gives

> > >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

very

> > >>> unique

> > >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

approach,

> if

> > > I

> > >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

calculation used

> > > is

> > >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

subject.

> > >>> The

> > >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later

I will

> > >>> post

> > >>>>>> a section on it.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

this

> dasa

> > >>> is

> > >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> since

> > > if

> > >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

IS ,

> > > that

> > >>> is

> > >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> manner

> > >>> e.g

> > >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

quickly

> > > in

> > >>>> few

> > >>>>> secs I use it this way

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

gone

> to

> > >>> self

> > >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

the

> > > Chronic

> > >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

GK-

> > > Gnati

> > >>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

Brown

> -

> > >>> his

> > >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Natal Chart

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> February 20, 1951

> > >>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

any

> > >>> software

> > >>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

>

> > >>> to

> > >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

lagnas.

> I

> > >>>> know

> > >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

for me,

> it

> > >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> describes

> > >>>> its

> > >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

that

> > > there

> > >>>> are

> > >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

simple

> non

> > >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I

do use

> > > the

> > >>>> dasa

> > >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

given

> > > me

> > >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given

it deep

> > >>>> study.

> > >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

Moon/Sun

> > > when

> > >>>> all

> > >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

but

> why

> > >>>> Moon

> > >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

exalted

> > > in

> > >>> D7

> > >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

agree

> > > it

> > >>> is

> > >>>>> in 4H of D7

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> Nirriti

> > >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

the

> > > cause

> > >>> of

> > >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

one of

> > > the

> > >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

this 3rd

> > >>> child

> > >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

the

> > >>>> effects

> > >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

ruling

> > >>>> yogini

> > >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

take

> > >>> yogini

> > >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

with each

> > >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

time

> > > comes.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

little

> > >>> time

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>> use it

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

lagna

> > >>> effecting

> > >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

child

> > >>> (from

> > >>>>> 5H)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

FINE,

> NO

> > >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

spirits !)

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

of

> > >>> chronic

> > >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

diseasegiver

> etc

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

can

> > >>> happen

> > >>>> in

> > >>>>> this period

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

Karmic

> > >>> issues

> > >>>> of

> > >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

situation

> > > that

> > >>>> can

> > >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

being

> the

> > >>> 8th

> > >>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

this

> > >>> chart)

> > >>>> we

> > >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

chronic

> > >>> diseases

> > >>>> in

> > >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> diseases,

> > > &

> > >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> hospitals,

> > >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

chronic

> > >>>> diseases

> > >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

disease, big

> > >>> time

> > >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Sunil John

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Mumbai

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> dasas,

> > >>> it

> > >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

some

> > >>>> hints-

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

and

> the

> > >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> seeing

> > >>> is

> > >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

being

> > >>>>>> shared with many people.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

change

> of

> > >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

always that

> > >>> the

> > >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> people

> > >>>> who

> > >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

vimsottotri is

> not

> > >>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã‚Â– a planet in

> > >>>> Kendra/kona

> > >>>>> /--

> > >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

lagna/5

> > >>> th/9th

> > >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

results

> based

> > >>> on

> > >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

that in

> > >>> mind,

> > >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

with

> > > most

> > >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

other

> > > yogini

> > >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

consistently.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

do

> you

> > >>> use

> > >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>

December 6, 2006

On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 > wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Vijayadas,

>

> Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level best

> to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

>

> More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All Sagi

> Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro Data

> Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists etc &

> not Vivekandas according to me.

>

Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve broad strokes of

hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than most already

regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke and will

continue to.

Cheers,

Ramapriya

December 7, 2006

Nothing much mate, except that we should treat each chart as unique and

steer clear of generalizations. Any statement like "All Scorpio ascendant

natives are a this or that" would massively erode astrology's already

fragile credibility.

Cheers,

Ramapriya

On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 > wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Ramapriya

>

> Didn't understand what u meant with ur post, sorry my knowledge of

> english is not that good

>

> regards

>

> SJ

>

> <%40>, "D

> Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

> wrote:

>

> >

> > On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Vijayadas,

> > >

> > > Before we start another thread which as of now I am trying my level

> best

> > > to end previous threads, we have one thread incomplete. U said few

> > > months back u would check on those 12-13 charts details which I had

> > > posted on Sagi lagna, if they were Sagi lagna or note.

> > >

> > > More Reminder: We were discussing the quote of Chandrashekhar 'All

> Sagi

> > > Lagnas are Vivekandas" & hence I had posted 12-13 charts from Astro

> Data

> > > Bank where Sagi lagnas were regligious bigots, criminals, rapists

> etc &

> > > not Vivekandas according to me.

> > >

> >

> > Aren't having us on are you, Mr. John?

> >

> > Such suggestions would paint the world's populace in twelve broad

> strokes of

> > hue - and we soothsayers will become even more risible than most

> already

> > regard us to be. I've always reckoned each chart to be bespoke and

> will

> > continue to.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Ramapriya

> >

December 7, 2006

On 12/7/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 > wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

>

> Yes thats what I kept on saying in the month of Aug & Sept that we

> cannot generalise, alas I wasted 20-30 days just doing that. Now see

> this statement of someone

>

> I do not find any reference of it being sign of racist and do not know

> where from your senior astrologer friend got that reference. will you

> please ask him for a quote? Swami Vivekananda was Sagittarius rising and

> I do not remember anybody calling him racist.

>

Looks like I came in here late. Don't remember any racist remark hereabouts

after I did... who and/or what are you referring to?

But comforting that we're on the same wavelengths on generalizations

Cheers and have a clement day,

Ramapriya

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