$3 of a prediction & parampara of 600 yrs/ KP astrology & Inderjit Sahni

December 6, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar,

Pls call me only Sunil, without the Sir, I request. Often I repeat on

lists.

Re the word ecstatic I meant magical & out of the world.

Re KP astrology its a branch of fine tuning I feel. My experience with

it has been a private consultation with Inderjit Sahni of this list who

is an old experienced hand & his prediction was to the day, he said

event would happen on 14th Aug 2005 & it happened to the DAY. Since it

was a very sweet event that is still in my mind I would not forget his

prediction, but then every astrologer has his good and bad predictions.

Also I feel KP makes it easier to predict if one understands the system

which is tough for me to understand with my low intelligence.

Yes what u wrote about most traditionalists knowing the daily ephemeris

by heart, its true how they do it requires fantastic memory though i

have seen many do it. Good example u gave of it

best wishes

Sunil

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Sir,

>

> That may have been a ecstatic experience or astrological

> I am not sure.

> I also wish to say that most traditional astrologers know the

> Lagnas of the day and their movements by heart,plus the other

> Panchanga details, like Moon Raashi, Moons constellation etc.

> Which is what the KP system and makes the best use of in

> their theory of Ruling Planets.

> For example if a person asks one astrologer on the way to

> office, one of my cousins has been admitted to the

> hospital ,I am not sure if he will come out of there or

> not. If the astrologer knows the Ruling Planets of the day

> he need not have resource to The Ephemeris, Pen,Paper or

> calculator at hand. He can immediately say whether the cousin

> will be cured or not, and when he would come out of the hospital. is

> done on the fingers for one less adept, and in memory by those who

> are more adept. Here the transit of Moon may be used

> if the cure comes quickly within 15 days or one months time,

> if later then the transit of Sun is used. And the event can be

> pointed down to a maximum day or two days. Since every basic

> astrologer knows when the Sun changes sign and takes app.1 degree

> to move per day, also he should have knowledge of the Nakshatras and

> the padas and their owners. Many cases like marriage would happen or

> not and when, wealth would be received or not and when, child would

> happen or not and when, can be solved without making charts actually

> and studying. These are snap shot methods no doubt, but work very

> well in the hands of the masters.

> Therefore, its not very strange if people predict without use of any

> sources at hand apparently.

> I have had witness to many such type of incidents pointed out with

> astrological reasonings as student of Nakshatra Jyotish, and still

> learning.

>

> Yours humbly,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Very nice of u to share this experience, this is what I call magical

> > experience & fantastic usage of snap shot methods.

> >

> > The idea of my previous post was not about Ecstatic experiences but

> of

> > True Normal Astrology. I wish to clarify it.

> >

> > Let me re-present it here again though it could be boring.

> >

> > What that traditionalist does is normal astrology, which every

> > astrologer is supposed to do, but since we in the city's & internet

> > groups tend to believe something else is normal astrology we feel

> that

> > which these traditionalists do is Novel, which is not the case.

> They are

> > expected to be accurate otherwise their clientele is lost forever

> being

> > in the same village.

> >

> > Ofcourse he is no doubt a Neelakhanti, but his way of learning I

> wonder

> > how many of us can match, for 25 yrs he studied jyotish and only

> after

> > 25 yrs he was allowed to see a chart.

> >

> > I will sometime today post a mail on Normal Jyotish

> >

> > We may develop maybe

> > > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

> >

> > That is so true and a profound statement.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Well I too have had a few experiences like this, will just relate

> one,

> > > I had been few years back to Dwarkaji for Darshan of Dwarkadheesh

> > > (Lord Krishna). When I went in the inner sanctorium to pay my

> > > obesciences to the Lord, the Purohit who sits there, after my

> worship

> > > was over came out and casually told me, just looking at me,

> > > that You were born in Shukla Paksha and so and so tithi, plus few

> > > other things, which only I knew. This was without the chart. I did

> > > not get the opportunity to show my chart, but this man of 90 Years

> > > age was fabolous. These people apart from the astrological deep

> > > secrets and knowledge they possess, also have tremendous

> intutition

> > > probably brought by their austere way of living in small

> > > towns/villages, getting up early morning, good quality pooja,

> > > meditation, Japa coupled with disciplined life, most of their

> > > activities co-inciding with the proper Muhurtas (Constellation

> > > aids), thus making them pure to the core. We may develop maybe

> > > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

> > > Thatswhy I have kept the standards of a real astrologer very high

> and

> > > must humbly confess am nowhere remotely near the mark.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

> > > chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal

> > > secret clues).

> > > >

> > > > My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

> > > when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and

> > > said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart

> only

> > > after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged

> 1967

> > > panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi

> > > panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I

> happen

> > > to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to

> tell,

> > > that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree

> > > urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and

> offer

> > > milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by

> a

> > > big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next

> day,

> > > second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first

> question

> > > was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

> > > >

> > > > My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

> > > these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

> > > >

> > > > I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita

> pandit -

> > > Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very

> accurate

> > > readings.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> > > care.

> > > >

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600

> yrs

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of

> view

> > > & self

> > > > > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this

> further,

> > > but

> > > > > still would like to clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> > > examples

> > > > > & coffee is required.

> > > > >

> > > > > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

> > > astrologers

> > > > > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> > > internet

> > > > > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> > > shlokas

> > > > > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to

> show

> > > their

> > > > > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of

> suicide,

> > > all of

> > > > > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> > > meanwhile

> > > > > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

> > > all the

> > > > > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> > > village

> > > > > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week

> person

> > > gets

> > > > > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in

> diamond

> > > > > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told

> that

> > > by Dec

> > > > > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to

> join

> > > > > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me

> not

> > > > > believing what has happened.

> > > > >

> > > > > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

> > > fake

> > > > > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> > > reference

> > > > > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> > > > >

> > > > > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example

> which

> > > is

> > > > > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists

> GURUS vs

> > > this

> > > > > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here

> but I

> > > will

> > > > > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

> > > astrologer &

> > > > > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life,

> still

> > > they do

> > > > > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> > > > >

> > > > > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

> > > title

> > > > > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the

> Date

> > > &

> > > > > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this

> list

> > > wrote to

> > > > > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

> > > asking

> > > > > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied

> only

> > > with

> > > > > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

> > > want to

> > > > > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> > > corrupted him

> > > > > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

> > > North. Such

> > > > > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> > > > >

> > > > > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

> > > clear, D60

> > > > > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I

> have

> > > seen,

> > > > > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I

> am

> > > going

> > > > > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

> > > since after

> > > > > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-

> 50

> > > yrs of

> > > > > astrological career he has found them better predictors &

> problem

> > > > > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who

> introduced

> > > the

> > > > > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> > > pandit to

> > > > > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

> > > list went

> > > > > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

> > > very

> > > > > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back

> got 73

> > > > > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> > > recites.

> > > > > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites

> and

> > > this

> > > > > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as

> compared to

> > > 73 of

> > > > > this mentor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with

> full

> > > Bhakti,

> > > > > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

> > > excited that

> > > > > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my

> life

> > > but it

> > > > > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the

> most

> > > > > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu

> of

> > > Baa Bahu

> > > > > aur baby)

> > > > >

> > > > > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

> > > lists have

> > > > > become platform for.

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> > > (Major

> > > > >> part) but also

> > > > >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and

> still

> > > > >> learning,

> > > > >> and also attending lectures

> > > > >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > > > >> constellations) charts

> > > > >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students,

> which

> > > gives

> > > > >> me fortunately

> > > > >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India.

> here the

> > > > >> conformity may

> > > > >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in

> getting

> > > the

> > > > >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times

> come

> > > up

> > > > >> with

> > > > >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > > > >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > > > >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I

> would say

> > > > >> that the

> > > > >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages.

> Not

> > > many

> > > > >> know to use

> > > > >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to

> make

> > > > >> divisional charts

> > > > >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a

> certain

> > > age,

> > > > >> they

> > > > >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > > > >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

> > > householders

> > > > >> each

> > > > >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma

> Kand

> > > and

> > > > >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame

> them,

> > > > >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > > > >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So

> again

> > > with

> > > > >> due

> > > > >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn

> in

> > > city

> > > > >> through

> > > > >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of

> the

> > > > >> shlokas

> > > > >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Best wishes,

> > > > >> Bhaskar.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Sunil,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

> hear

> > > he

> > > > >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not

> over

> > > > >>>> emphasise transits'//

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> > > special

> > > > >> way'

> > > > >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > > >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not

> show

> > > > >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > > >>>> the native.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> > > stimulate

> > > > >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few

> months

> > > back

> > > > >> that

> > > > >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT

> ALL.

> > > > >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > > > >> astrologer

> > > > >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a

> village

> > > > >>> astrologer sees.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> > > internet

> > > > >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is

> not

> > > what

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning

> success.

> > > We go

> > > > >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi

> or

> > > > >> maximum

> > > > >>> Navamsa

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Sunil

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > > >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the

> transits

> > > have

> > > > >>>> the power to offer .

> > > > >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha

> signifying

> > > 6th

> > > > >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house

> Lord,

> > > > >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > > > >> transit,

> > > > >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic

> planet is

> > > > >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> > > physical

> > > > >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> > > transit

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event

> too.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> > > 11th

> > > > >> or

> > > > >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> > > native

> > > > >>>> health wise.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Best wishes,

> > > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> prefer

> > > > >> it at

> > > > >>>>> all).

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > > >> Avayogi &

> > > > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

> Santhanam,

> > > > >> then

> > > > >>>> its

> > > > >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > > >> Santhanam

> > > > >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was

> novel, he

> > > > >> would

> > > > >>>> make

> > > > >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

> dasa

> > > > >>>> wouldn't

> > > > >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > > would

> > > > >>>> like to

> > > > >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

> lagna),

> > > its

> > > > >> not

> > > > >>>> easy

> > > > >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > >>>> statistically

> > > > >>>>> test it how much it works.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in

> trines to

> > > AL

> > > > >>>> gives

> > > > >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> working

> > > > >> at

> > > > >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> giving

> > > > >>>> job.

> > > > >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > > (indu

> > > > >>>> lagna)

> > > > >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

> his.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

> old

> > > > >>>> jyotish

> > > > >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

> he

> > > > >> uses it

> > > > >>>> in a

> > > > >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> emphasise

> > > > >>>> transits'

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > >> <suneelhooda@>

> > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > > sharing

> > > > >>>> your

> > > > >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

> (its

> > > > >>>> available

> > > > >>>>>> for free download),

> > > > >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

> different

> > > > >> ways

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

> or

> > > as

> > > > >>>>> Santhanam

> > > > >>>>>> used it.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Hi,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > > >> [sunil]:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > > >> suneelhooda@

> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

> settle

> > > > >> back,

> > > > >>>>> grab

> > > > >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > >>>> predictive

> > > > >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

> master

> > > > >>>> this art

> > > > >>>>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > > >> techniques.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> experimented

> > > > >> with

> > > > >>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > > >> what I

> > > > >>>> use

> > > > >>>>>>>> personally,

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

> like

> > > > >> to

> > > > >>>> hear

> > > > >>>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

> you

> > > > >>>> would

> > > > >>>>> rate

> > > > >>>>>>>> them Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > > > > based on

> > > > >>> a

> > > > >>>>>>> dasa's

> > > > >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

> therefore

> > > > >>>> survived

> > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

> dasa

> > > > >>>> system

> > > > >>>>> fell

> > > > >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > > >> rules to

> > > > >>>>> apply

> > > > >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > > >>>> though not

> > > > >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > > >>>> northern

> > > > >>>>>> India

> > > > >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

> dasas

> > > > >> that

> > > > >>>>> play

> > > > >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > > >> describe

> > > > >>>> how

> > > > >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

> be

> > > > >>>> accurate

> > > > >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > > >> timing

> > > > >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion

> is

> > > > >> what

> > > > >>>>> gives

> > > > >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > > > >> very

> > > > >>>>> unique

> > > > >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > > >> approach,

> > > > >>>> if I

> > > > >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> calculation

> > > > >>>> used is

> > > > >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > > >>>> subject.

> > > > >>>>> The

> > > > >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

> later I

> > > > >>>> will

> > > > >>>>> post

> > > > >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > > > >> this

> > > > >>>> dasa

> > > > >>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

> this

> > > > >>>> since if

> > > > >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

> IT

> > > > >> IS ,

> > > > >>>> that

> > > > >>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> simplistic

> > > > >>>> manner

> > > > >>>>> e.g

> > > > >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > > >>>> quickly in

> > > > >>>>>> few

> > > > >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

> years):

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

> has

> > > > >> gone

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>> self

> > > > >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

> Rahu the

> > > > >>>> Chronic

> > > > >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

> etc &

> > > > >> GK-

> > > > >>>> Gnati

> > > > >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

> Gordon

> > > > >>>> Brown -

> > > > >>>>> his

> > > > >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > > >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > > >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

> know

> > > > >> any

> > > > >>>>> software

> > > > >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > > >>>> lagnas. I

> > > > >>>>>> know

> > > > >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

> for

> > > > >>>> me, it

> > > > >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > > >>>> describes

> > > > >>>>>> its

> > > > >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > > > >> that

> > > > >>>> there

> > > > >>>>>> are

> > > > >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > > >> simple

> > > > >>>> non

> > > > >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways

> I do

> > > > >> use

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>> dasa

> > > > >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

> has

> > > > >>>> given me

> > > > >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

> given it

> > > > >> deep

> > > > >>>>>> study.

> > > > >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > > >> Moon/Sun

> > > > >>>> when

> > > > >>>>>> all

> > > > >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

> child

> > > > >> but

> > > > >>>> why

> > > > >>>>>> Moon

> > > > >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > > >>>> exalted in

> > > > >>>>> D7

> > > > >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

> do

> > > > >>>> agree it

> > > > >>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

> in

> > > > >>>> Nirriti

> > > > >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

> is

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>> cause

> > > > >>>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > > >> one of

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > > >> this 3rd

> > > > >>>>> child

> > > > >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> to

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>> effects

> > > > >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > > > >> ruling

> > > > >>>>>> yogini

> > > > >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > > > >> take

> > > > >>>>> yogini

> > > > >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> with

> > > > >>>> each

> > > > >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > > >> time

> > > > >>>> comes.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > > > >> little

> > > > >>>>> time

> > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>> use it

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> lagna

> > > > >>>>> effecting

> > > > >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

> for

> > > > >> child

> > > > >>>>> (from

> > > > >>>>>>> 5H)

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

> ITS

> > > > >>>> FINE, NO

> > > > >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > > >> spirits !)

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

> 8H

> > > > >> of

> > > > >>>>> chronic

> > > > >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > > >> diseasegiver

> > > > >>>> etc

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

> or

> > > > >> can

> > > > >>>>> happen

> > > > >>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>> this period

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > > >> Karmic

> > > > >>>>> issues

> > > > >>>>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > > >> situation

> > > > >>>> that

> > > > >>>>>> can

> > > > >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > > >> being

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>> 8th

> > > > >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

> (in

> > > > >> this

> > > > >>>>> chart)

> > > > >>>>>> we

> > > > >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> chronic

> > > > >>>>> diseases

> > > > >>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > >>>> diseases, &

> > > > >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > >>>> hospitals,

> > > > >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > > >> chronic

> > > > >>>>>> diseases

> > > > >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > > >> disease, big

> > > > >>>>> time

> > > > >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Sunil John

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Mumbai

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

> three

> > > > >>>> dasas,

> > > > >>>>> it

> > > > >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

> are

> > > > >> some

> > > > >>>>>> hints-

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

> always

> > > > >> and

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change

> of

> > > > >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

> are

> > > > >>>> seeing

> > > > >>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

> not

> > > > >>>> being

> > > > >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > > >> change

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> always

> > > > >>>> that

> > > > >>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all

> the

> > > > >>>> people

> > > > >>>>>> who

> > > > >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > > >> vimsottotri is

> > > > >>>> not

> > > > >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Â– a

planet in

> > > > >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> > > > >>>>>>> /--

> > > > >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > > >> lagna/5

> > > > >>>>> th/9th

> > > > >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > > >> results

> > > > >>>> based

> > > > >>>>> on

> > > > >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > > >> that in

> > > > >>>>> mind,

> > > > >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> experimented

> > > > >> with

> > > > >>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > > >> other

> > > > >>>> yogini

> > > > >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > > >> consistently.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

> systems

> > > > >> do

> > > > >>>> you

> > > > >>>>> use

> > > > >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

Not addressing anyone as ji or aap is contrary to my way of living

and communications. Though I have been staying in Bombay since last

45 years I have not allowed the language and forms of address used

here by the locals to influence me. In my family we dont even face

elders with our top shirt button open. So I have to force myself to

remove the ji etc when I addreess any one in astrology Forum

specially where all respected people come in as members.

It becomes difficult and feel ackward,but I will try.

If out of habit I do put ji etc. then please ignore it.

Thanks,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Pls call me only Sunil, without the Sir, I request. Often I repeat

on

> lists.

>

December 6, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar

U have sanskriti which is so nice. 4 yrs back one member from PVRs vedic

astrology list wrote to me that he wants to learn astrology very fast,

he wants ji attached to his name, he wants to be a Guru, he wants to be

the worlds greatest astrologer, I was shocked since I thought these were

not the reasons for learning astrology & later realised most want this

ji thing to their name so I decided as such i fight my own battle with

my ego and if i get into this ji business it would hamper my real

learning & so far though I have low intelligence but I have learnt few

things well maybe.

So since few yrs i always request people not to call me ji etc though

this is the 2nd or 3rd time only that i have explained why this aversion

to the ji business

best wishes

Sunil

Lets end this thread as it is a non technical mail, if i may request ur

kind self

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Not addressing anyone as ji or aap is contrary to my way of living

> and communications. Though I have been staying in Bombay since last

> 45 years I have not allowed the language and forms of address used

> here by the locals to influence me. In my family we dont even face

> elders with our top shirt button open. So I have to force myself to

> remove the ji etc when I addreess any one in astrology Forum

> specially where all respected people come in as members.

> It becomes difficult and feel ackward,but I will try.

> If out of habit I do put ji etc. then please ignore it.

>

> Thanks,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Pls call me only Sunil, without the Sir, I request. Often I repeat

> on

> > lists.

> >

>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

It seems you are like me in many ways. I never like the Ego to

override me. Whenever I feel this is done, I break it by undermining

myself through some way, or break the source itself where I am

unnecessarily put on the pedestal. You are very honest. Good.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar

>

> U have sanskriti which is so nice. 4 yrs back one member from PVRs

vedic

> astrology list wrote to me that he wants to learn astrology very

fast,

> he wants ji attached to his name, he wants to be a Guru, he wants

to be

> the worlds greatest astrologer, I was shocked since I thought these

were

> not the reasons for learning astrology & later realised most want

this

> ji thing to their name so I decided as such i fight my own battle

with

> my ego and if i get into this ji business it would hamper my real

> learning & so far though I have low intelligence but I have learnt

few

> things well maybe.

>

> So since few yrs i always request people not to call me ji etc

though

> this is the 2nd or 3rd time only that i have explained why this

aversion

> to the ji business

>

> best wishes

>

> Sunil

>

> Lets end this thread as it is a non technical mail, if i may

request ur

> kind self

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Not addressing anyone as ji or aap is contrary to my way of living

> > and communications. Though I have been staying in Bombay since

last

> > 45 years I have not allowed the language and forms of address used

> > here by the locals to influence me. In my family we dont even face

> > elders with our top shirt button open. So I have to force myself

to

> > remove the ji etc when I addreess any one in astrology Forum

> > specially where all respected people come in as members.

> > It becomes difficult and feel ackward,but I will try.

> > If out of habit I do put ji etc. then please ignore it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Pls call me only Sunil, without the Sir, I request. Often I

repeat

> > on

> > > lists.

> > >

> >

>

December 6, 2006

OM Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar,

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> It seems you are like me in many ways. I never like the Ego to

> override me. Whenever I feel this is done, I break it by undermining

> myself through some way, or break the source itself where I am

> unnecessarily put on the pedestal. You are very honest. Good.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar

> >

> > U have sanskriti which is so nice. 4 yrs back one member from PVRs

> vedic

> > astrology list wrote to me that he wants to learn astrology very

> fast,

> > he wants ji attached to his name, he wants to be a Guru, he wants

> to be

> > the worlds greatest astrologer, I was shocked since I thought these

> were

> > not the reasons for learning astrology & later realised most want

> this

> > ji thing to their name so I decided as such i fight my own battle

> with

> > my ego and if i get into this ji business it would hamper my real

> > learning & so far though I have low intelligence but I have learnt

> few

> > things well maybe.

> >

> > So since few yrs i always request people not to call me ji etc

> though

> > this is the 2nd or 3rd time only that i have explained why this

> aversion

> > to the ji business

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > Lets end this thread as it is a non technical mail, if i may

> request ur

> > kind self

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > Not addressing anyone as ji or aap is contrary to my way of living

> > > and communications. Though I have been staying in Bombay since

> last

> > > 45 years I have not allowed the language and forms of address used

> > > here by the locals to influence me. In my family we dont even face

> > > elders with our top shirt button open. So I have to force myself

> to

> > > remove the ji etc when I addreess any one in astrology Forum

> > > specially where all respected people come in as members.

> > > It becomes difficult and feel ackward,but I will try.

> > > If out of habit I do put ji etc. then please ignore it.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil, without the Sir, I request. Often I

> repeat

> > > on

> > > > lists.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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