$3 of a prediction & parampara of 600 yrs

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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Bhaskar,

 

Thanks for ur kind comments, I find long mails exhausting & hence

can't read my own mails )

 

but then jyotish concepts (technical ones) cannot be explained in few

lines

 

Regards

 

SJ

 

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Thank You Dear John, I did not find it a long mail and

> enjoyed reading it.

>

> Yours,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view &

> self

> > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

> > still would like to clarify.

> >

> > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> examples

> > & coffee is required.

> >

> > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

> > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> internet

> > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> shlokas

> > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

> their

> > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all

> of

> > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> meanwhile

> > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

> the

> > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> village

> > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

> gets

> > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

> by Dec

> > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> >

> > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > believing what has happened.

> >

> > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

> > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> reference

> > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> >

> > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

> > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

> this

> > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

> will

> > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

> > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

> they do

> > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> >

> > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> >

> > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

> > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

> > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

> wrote to

> > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

> > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

> with

> > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

> to

> > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> corrupted him

> > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North.

> Such

> > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> >

> > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

> D60

> > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

> seen,

> > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

> going

> > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

> after

> > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

> yrs of

> > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> >

> > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

> > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> pandit to

> > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

> went

> > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

> > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> recites.

> > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

> this

> > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

> 73 of

> > this mentor.

> >

> > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

> Bhakti,

> > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

> that

> > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but

> it

> > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa

> Bahu

> > aur baby)

> >

> > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists

> have

> > become platform for.

> >

> >

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> (Major

> > > part) but also

> > > academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > > learning,

> > > and also attending lectures

> > > 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > > constellations) charts

> > > are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

> gives

> > > me fortunately

> > > a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > > conformity may

> > > not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

> the

> > > right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > >

> > > I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

> up

> > > with

> > > stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > > having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > > more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > > that the

> > > scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

> many

> > > know to use

> > > the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > > divisional charts

> > > or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

> age,

> > > they

> > > are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > > So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

> > > each

> > > Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

> and

> > > then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > > but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > > able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

> with

> > > due

> > > respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

> city

> > > through

> > > various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > > shlokas

> > > which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Reply as [sunil]:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

> hear he

> > > > > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > > > emphasise transits'//

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> special

> > > way'

> > > > and not the ordinary way we use.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > > > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > > > > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > > > the native.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> stimulate

> > > > peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

> back

> > > that

> > > > if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > > > Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > > astrologer

> > > > (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > > > astrologer sees.

> > > >

> > > > I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> internet

> > > > lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

> what

> > > is

> > > > what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

> We go

> > > > into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > > maximum

> > > > Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > Sunil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > > > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

> have

> > > > > the power to offer .

> > > > > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

> 6th

> > > > > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > > > > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > > transit,

> > > > > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet

> is

> > > > > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> physical

> > > > > health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> transit

> > > in

> > > > > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > > > >

> > > > > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> 11th

> > > or

> > > > > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> native

> > > > > health wise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Suneel,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

> prefer

> > > it at

> > > > > > all).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > Avayogi &

> > > > > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > > then

> > > > > its

> > > > > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > Santhanam

> > > > > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel,

> he

> > > would

> > > > > make

> > > > > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

> dasa

> > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> would

> > > > > like to

> > > > > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> its

> > > not

> > > > > easy

> > > > > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > > statistically

> > > > > > test it how much it works.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

> to AL

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> working

> > > at

> > > > > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> giving

> > > > > job.

> > > > > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> (indu

> > > > > lagna)

> > > > > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

> old

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > > uses it

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > > > transits'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > <suneelhooda@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> sharing

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

> (its

> > > > > available

> > > > > > > for free download),

> > > > > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

> different

> > > ways

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

> or as

> > > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > > used it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suneel hooda

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > [sunil]:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

> settle

> > > back,

> > > > > > grab

> > > > > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

> master

> > > > > this art

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > techniques.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

> experimented

> > > with

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > what I

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > personally,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would

> like

> > > to

> > > > > hear

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

> you

> > > > > would

> > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and

> therefore

> > > > > survived

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

> dasa

> > > > > system

> > > > > > fell

> > > > > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > rules to

> > > > > > apply

> > > > > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in

> point,

> > > > > though not

> > > > > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > > > northern

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

> dasas

> > > that

> > > > > > play

> > > > > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > describe

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

> be

> > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > timing

> > > > > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift

> motion is

> > > what

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns

> are

> > > very

> > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > approach,

> > > > > if I

> > > > > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of

> calculation

> > > > > used is

> > > > > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > > > subject.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

> later I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

> ignoring

> > > this

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

> this

> > > > > since if

> > > > > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

> IT

> > > IS ,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

> simplistic

> > > > > manner

> > > > > > e.g

> > > > > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > > > quickly in

> > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

> years):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

> has

> > > gone

> > > > > to

> > > > > > self

> > > > > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

> Rahu the

> > > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

> etc &

> > > GK-

> > > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

> Gordon

> > > > > Brown -

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

> know

> > > any

> > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i

> don't

> > > > >

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > > > lagnas. I

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work,

> but for

> > > > > me, it

> > > > > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

> parashar

> > > > > describes

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I

> believe

> > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > simple

> > > > > non

> > > > > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways

> I do

> > > use

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

> has

> > > > > given me

> > > > > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

> given it

> > > deep

> > > > > > > study.

> > > > > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > Moon/Sun

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

> child

> > > but

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > > > exalted in

> > > > > > D7

> > > > > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

> do

> > > > > agree it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

> in

> > > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

> is

> > > the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > one of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > this 3rd

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of

> the

> > > ruling

> > > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand

> I

> > > take

> > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

> with

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > time

> > > > > comes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I

> get

> > > little

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > use it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> lagna

> > > > > > effecting

> > > > > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

> for

> > > child

> > > > > > (from

> > > > > > > > 5H)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

> ITS

> > > > > FINE, NO

> > > > > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > spirits !)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

> 8H

> > > of

> > > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > diseasegiver

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

> or

> > > can

> > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > this period

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > Karmic

> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > situation

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > being

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

> (in

> > > this

> > > > > > chart)

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> chronic

> > > > > > diseases

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > > diseases, &

> > > > > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > chronic

> > > > > > > diseases

> > > > > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > disease, big

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

> three

> > > > > dasas,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

> are

> > > some

> > > > > > > hints-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

> always

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change

> of

> > > > > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

> are

> > > > > seeing

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

> not

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > change

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

> always

> > > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by

> all the

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > vimsottotri is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a

planet in

> > > > > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > > /--

> > > > > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > lagna/5

> > > > > > th/9th

> > > > > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > results

> > > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always

> work.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > that in

> > > > > > mind,

> > > > > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

> experimented

> > > with

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > other

> > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > consistently.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

> systems

> > > do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Bhaskar,

 

Very nice of u to share this experience, this is what I call magical

experience & fantastic usage of snap shot methods.

 

The idea of my previous post was not about Ecstatic experiences but of

True Normal Astrology. I wish to clarify it.

 

Let me re-present it here again though it could be boring.

 

What that traditionalist does is normal astrology, which every

astrologer is supposed to do, but since we in the city's & internet

groups tend to believe something else is normal astrology we feel that

which these traditionalists do is Novel, which is not the case. They are

expected to be accurate otherwise their clientele is lost forever being

in the same village.

 

Ofcourse he is no doubt a Neelakhanti, but his way of learning I wonder

how many of us can match, for 25 yrs he studied jyotish and only after

25 yrs he was allowed to see a chart.

 

I will sometime today post a mail on Normal Jyotish

 

We may develop maybe

> scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> necessary may never come with our styles of living.

 

That is so true and a profound statement.

 

regards

 

Sunil

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Well I too have had a few experiences like this, will just relate one,

> I had been few years back to Dwarkaji for Darshan of Dwarkadheesh

> (Lord Krishna). When I went in the inner sanctorium to pay my

> obesciences to the Lord, the Purohit who sits there, after my worship

> was over came out and casually told me, just looking at me,

> that You were born in Shukla Paksha and so and so tithi, plus few

> other things, which only I knew. This was without the chart. I did

> not get the opportunity to show my chart, but this man of 90 Years

> age was fabolous. These people apart from the astrological deep

> secrets and knowledge they possess, also have tremendous intutition

> probably brought by their austere way of living in small

> towns/villages, getting up early morning, good quality pooja,

> meditation, Japa coupled with disciplined life, most of their

> activities co-inciding with the proper Muhurtas (Constellation

> aids), thus making them pure to the core. We may develop maybe

> scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> necessary may never come with our styles of living.

> Thatswhy I have kept the standards of a real astrologer very high and

> must humbly confess am nowhere remotely near the mark.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

> chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal

> secret clues).

> >

> > My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

> when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and

> said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only

> after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967

> panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi

> panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I happen

> to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to tell,

> that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree

> urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and offer

> milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by a

> big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next day,

> second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first question

> was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

> >

> > My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

> these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

> >

> > I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

> Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

> readings.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> care.

> >

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002@

> > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> > >

> > > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

> & self

> > > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

> but

> > > still would like to clarify.

> > >

> > > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> examples

> > > & coffee is required.

> > >

> > > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

> astrologers

> > > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> internet

> > > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> shlokas

> > > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

> their

> > > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

> all of

> > > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> meanwhile

> > > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

> all the

> > > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> village

> > > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

> gets

> > > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

> by Dec

> > > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> > >

> > > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > > believing what has happened.

> > >

> > > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

> fake

> > > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> reference

> > > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> > >

> > > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

> is

> > > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

> this

> > > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

> will

> > > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

> astrologer &

> > > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

> they do

> > > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> > >

> > > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> > >

> > > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

> title

> > > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

> &

> > > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

> wrote to

> > > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

> asking

> > > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

> with

> > > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

> want to

> > > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> corrupted him

> > > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

> North. Such

> > > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> > >

> > > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

> clear, D60

> > > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

> seen,

> > > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

> going

> > > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

> since after

> > > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

> yrs of

> > > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

> the

> > > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> pandit to

> > > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

> list went

> > > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

> very

> > > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> recites.

> > > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

> this

> > > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

> 73 of

> > > this mentor.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

> Bhakti,

> > > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

> excited that

> > > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

> but it

> > > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

> Baa Bahu

> > > aur baby)

> > >

> > > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

> lists have

> > > become platform for.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sunil,

> > >>

> > >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> (Major

> > >> part) but also

> > >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > >> learning,

> > >> and also attending lectures

> > >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > >> constellations) charts

> > >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

> gives

> > >> me fortunately

> > >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > >> conformity may

> > >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

> the

> > >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > >>

> > >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

> up

> > >> with

> > >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > >> that the

> > >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

> many

> > >> know to use

> > >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > >> divisional charts

> > >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

> age,

> > >> they

> > >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

> householders

> > >> each

> > >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

> and

> > >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

> with

> > >> due

> > >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

> city

> > >> through

> > >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > >> shlokas

> > >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > >>

> > >> Best wishes,

> > >> Bhaskar.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> > >>>

> > >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > >>> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Sunil,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

> he

> > >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > >>>> emphasise transits'//

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> special

> > >> way'

> > >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > >>>> the native.

> > >>>

> > >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> stimulate

> > >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

> back

> > >> that

> > >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > >> astrologer

> > >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > >>> astrologer sees.

> > >>>

> > >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> internet

> > >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

> what

> > >> is

> > >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

> We go

> > >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > >> maximum

> > >>> Navamsa

> > >>>

> > >>> Sunil

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

> have

> > >>>> the power to offer .

> > >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

> 6th

> > >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > >> transit,

> > >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> physical

> > >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> transit

> > >> in

> > >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> 11th

> > >> or

> > >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> native

> > >>>> health wise.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> > >> it at

> > >>>>> all).

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > >> Avayogi &

> > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > >> then

> > >>>> its

> > >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > >> Santhanam

> > >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> > >> would

> > >>>> make

> > >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > >>>> wouldn't

> > >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> would

> > >>>> like to

> > >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> its

> > >> not

> > >>>> easy

> > >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > >>>> statistically

> > >>>>> test it how much it works.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

> AL

> > >>>> gives

> > >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> > >> at

> > >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > >>>> job.

> > >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> (indu

> > >>>> lagna)

> > >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > >>>> jyotish

> > >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > >> uses it

> > >>>> in a

> > >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > >>>> transits'

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Sunil John

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Mumbai

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > >> <suneelhooda@>

> > >>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> sharing

> > >>>> your

> > >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > >>>> available

> > >>>>>> for free download),

> > >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> > >> ways

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

> as

> > >>>>> Santhanam

> > >>>>>> used it.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Hi,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > >> [sunil]:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > >> suneelhooda@

> > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> > >> back,

> > >>>>> grab

> > >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > >>>> predictive

> > >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > >>>> this art

> > >>>>>> as

> > >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > >> techniques.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> > >> with

> > >>>> most

> > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > >> what I

> > >>>> use

> > >>>>>>>> personally,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> > >> to

> > >>>> hear

> > >>>>> as

> > >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > >>>> would

> > >>>>> rate

> > >>>>>>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > > based on

> > >>> a

> > >>>>>>> dasa's

> > >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > >>>> survived

> > >>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > >>>> system

> > >>>>> fell

> > >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > >> rules to

> > >>>>> apply

> > >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > >>>> though not

> > >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > >>>> northern

> > >>>>>> India

> > >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> > >> that

> > >>>>> play

> > >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > >> describe

> > >>>> how

> > >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > >>>> accurate

> > >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > >> timing

> > >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> > >> what

> > >>>>> gives

> > >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > >> very

> > >>>>> unique

> > >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > >> approach,

> > >>>> if I

> > >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > >>>> used is

> > >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > >>>> subject.

> > >>>>> The

> > >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > >>>> will

> > >>>>> post

> > >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > >> this

> > >>>> dasa

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > >>>> since if

> > >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> > >> IS ,

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > >>>> manner

> > >>>>> e.g

> > >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > >>>> quickly in

> > >>>>>> few

> > >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> > >> gone

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>> self

> > >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > >>>> Chronic

> > >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> > >> GK-

> > >>>> Gnati

> > >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > >>>> Brown -

> > >>>>> his

> > >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> > >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> > >> any

> > >>>>> software

> > >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > >>>>

> > >>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > >>>> lagnas. I

> > >>>>>> know

> > >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > >>>> me, it

> > >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > >>>> describes

> > >>>>>> its

> > >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > >> that

> > >>>> there

> > >>>>>> are

> > >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > >> simple

> > >>>> non

> > >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> > >> use

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>> dasa

> > >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > >>>> given me

> > >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> > >> deep

> > >>>>>> study.

> > >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > >> Moon/Sun

> > >>>> when

> > >>>>>> all

> > >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> > >> but

> > >>>> why

> > >>>>>> Moon

> > >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > >>>> exalted in

> > >>>>> D7

> > >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > >>>> agree it

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > >>>> Nirriti

> > >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> > >> the

> > >>>> cause

> > >>>>> of

> > >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > >> one of

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > >> this 3rd

> > >>>>> child

> > >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> > >> the

> > >>>>>> effects

> > >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > >> ruling

> > >>>>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > >> take

> > >>>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > >>>> each

> > >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > >> time

> > >>>> comes.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > >> little

> > >>>>> time

> > >>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>> use it

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > >>>>> effecting

> > >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> > >> child

> > >>>>> (from

> > >>>>>>> 5H)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > >>>> FINE, NO

> > >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > >> spirits !)

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> > >> of

> > >>>>> chronic

> > >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > >> diseasegiver

> > >>>> etc

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> > >> can

> > >>>>> happen

> > >>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>> this period

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > >> Karmic

> > >>>>> issues

> > >>>>>> of

> > >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > >> situation

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>>> can

> > >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > >> being

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>> 8th

> > >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> > >> this

> > >>>>> chart)

> > >>>>>> we

> > >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > >>>>> diseases

> > >>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > >>>> diseases, &

> > >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > >>>> hospitals,

> > >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > >> chronic

> > >>>>>> diseases

> > >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > >> disease, big

> > >>>>> time

> > >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Sunil John

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Mumbai

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > >>>> dasas,

> > >>>>> it

> > >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> > >> some

> > >>>>>> hints-

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> > >> and

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > >>>> seeing

> > >>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > >>>> being

> > >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > >> change

> > >>>> of

> > >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > >>>> that

> > >>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > >>>> people

> > >>>>>> who

> > >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > >> vimsottotri is

> > >>>> not

> > >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> > >>>>>>> /--

> > >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > >> lagna/5

> > >>>>> th/9th

> > >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > >> results

> > >>>> based

> > >>>>> on

> > >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > >> that in

> > >>>>> mind,

> > >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> > >> with

> > >>>> most

> > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > >> other

> > >>>> yogini

> > >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > >> consistently.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> > >> do

> > >>>> you

> > >>>>> use

> > >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Sir,

 

That may have been a ecstatic experience or astrological

I am not sure.

I also wish to say that most traditional astrologers know the

Lagnas of the day and their movements by heart,plus the other

Panchanga details, like Moon Raashi, Moons constellation etc.

Which is what the KP system and makes the best use of in

their theory of Ruling Planets.

For example if a person asks one astrologer on the way to

office, one of my cousins has been admitted to the

hospital ,I am not sure if he will come out of there or

not. If the astrologer knows the Ruling Planets of the day

he need not have resource to The Ephemeris, Pen,Paper or

calculator at hand. He can immediately say whether the cousin

will be cured or not, and when he would come out of the hospital. is

done on the fingers for one less adept, and in memory by those who

are more adept. Here the transit of Moon may be used

if the cure comes quickly within 15 days or one months time,

if later then the transit of Sun is used. And the event can be

pointed down to a maximum day or two days. Since every basic

astrologer knows when the Sun changes sign and takes app.1 degree

to move per day, also he should have knowledge of the Nakshatras and

the padas and their owners. Many cases like marriage would happen or

not and when, wealth would be received or not and when, child would

happen or not and when, can be solved without making charts actually

and studying. These are snap shot methods no doubt, but work very

well in the hands of the masters.

Therefore, its not very strange if people predict without use of any

sources at hand apparently.

I have had witness to many such type of incidents pointed out with

astrological reasonings as student of Nakshatra Jyotish, and still

learning.

 

Yours humbly,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Very nice of u to share this experience, this is what I call magical

> experience & fantastic usage of snap shot methods.

>

> The idea of my previous post was not about Ecstatic experiences but

of

> True Normal Astrology. I wish to clarify it.

>

> Let me re-present it here again though it could be boring.

>

> What that traditionalist does is normal astrology, which every

> astrologer is supposed to do, but since we in the city's & internet

> groups tend to believe something else is normal astrology we feel

that

> which these traditionalists do is Novel, which is not the case.

They are

> expected to be accurate otherwise their clientele is lost forever

being

> in the same village.

>

> Ofcourse he is no doubt a Neelakhanti, but his way of learning I

wonder

> how many of us can match, for 25 yrs he studied jyotish and only

after

> 25 yrs he was allowed to see a chart.

>

> I will sometime today post a mail on Normal Jyotish

>

> We may develop maybe

> > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

>

> That is so true and a profound statement.

>

> regards

>

> Sunil

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Well I too have had a few experiences like this, will just relate

one,

> > I had been few years back to Dwarkaji for Darshan of Dwarkadheesh

> > (Lord Krishna). When I went in the inner sanctorium to pay my

> > obesciences to the Lord, the Purohit who sits there, after my

worship

> > was over came out and casually told me, just looking at me,

> > that You were born in Shukla Paksha and so and so tithi, plus few

> > other things, which only I knew. This was without the chart. I did

> > not get the opportunity to show my chart, but this man of 90 Years

> > age was fabolous. These people apart from the astrological deep

> > secrets and knowledge they possess, also have tremendous

intutition

> > probably brought by their austere way of living in small

> > towns/villages, getting up early morning, good quality pooja,

> > meditation, Japa coupled with disciplined life, most of their

> > activities co-inciding with the proper Muhurtas (Constellation

> > aids), thus making them pure to the core. We may develop maybe

> > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

> > Thatswhy I have kept the standards of a real astrologer very high

and

> > must humbly confess am nowhere remotely near the mark.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

> > chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal

> > secret clues).

> > >

> > > My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

> > when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and

> > said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart

only

> > after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged

1967

> > panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi

> > panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I

happen

> > to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to

tell,

> > that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree

> > urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and

offer

> > milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by

a

> > big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next

day,

> > second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first

question

> > was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

> > >

> > > My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

> > these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

> > >

> > > I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita

pandit -

> > Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very

accurate

> > readings.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> > care.

> > >

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002@

> > > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> > > >

> > > > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600

yrs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of

view

> > & self

> > > > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this

further,

> > but

> > > > still would like to clarify.

> > > >

> > > > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> > examples

> > > > & coffee is required.

> > > >

> > > > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

> > astrologers

> > > > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> > internet

> > > > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> > shlokas

> > > > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to

show

> > their

> > > > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of

suicide,

> > all of

> > > > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> > meanwhile

> > > > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

> > all the

> > > > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> > village

> > > > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week

person

> > gets

> > > > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in

diamond

> > > > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told

that

> > by Dec

> > > > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to

join

> > > > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me

not

> > > > believing what has happened.

> > > >

> > > > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

> > fake

> > > > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> > reference

> > > > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> > > >

> > > > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example

which

> > is

> > > > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists

GURUS vs

> > this

> > > > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here

but I

> > will

> > > > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

> > astrologer &

> > > > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life,

still

> > they do

> > > > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> > > >

> > > > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> > > >

> > > > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

> > title

> > > > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the

Date

> > &

> > > > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this

list

> > wrote to

> > > > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

> > asking

> > > > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied

only

> > with

> > > > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

> > want to

> > > > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> > corrupted him

> > > > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

> > North. Such

> > > > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

> > clear, D60

> > > > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I

have

> > seen,

> > > > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I

am

> > going

> > > > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

> > since after

> > > > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-

50

> > yrs of

> > > > astrological career he has found them better predictors &

problem

> > > > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who

introduced

> > the

> > > > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> > pandit to

> > > > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

> > list went

> > > > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

> > very

> > > > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back

got 73

> > > > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> > recites.

> > > > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites

and

> > this

> > > > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as

compared to

> > 73 of

> > > > this mentor.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with

full

> > Bhakti,

> > > > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

> > excited that

> > > > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my

life

> > but it

> > > > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the

most

> > > > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu

of

> > Baa Bahu

> > > > aur baby)

> > > >

> > > > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

> > lists have

> > > > become platform for.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > >>

> > > >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> > (Major

> > > >> part) but also

> > > >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and

still

> > > >> learning,

> > > >> and also attending lectures

> > > >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > > >> constellations) charts

> > > >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students,

which

> > gives

> > > >> me fortunately

> > > >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India.

here the

> > > >> conformity may

> > > >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in

getting

> > the

> > > >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > > >>

> > > >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times

come

> > up

> > > >> with

> > > >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > > >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > > >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I

would say

> > > >> that the

> > > >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages.

Not

> > many

> > > >> know to use

> > > >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to

make

> > > >> divisional charts

> > > >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a

certain

> > age,

> > > >> they

> > > >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > > >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

> > householders

> > > >> each

> > > >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma

Kand

> > and

> > > >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame

them,

> > > >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > > >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So

again

> > with

> > > >> due

> > > >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn

in

> > city

> > > >> through

> > > >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of

the

> > > >> shlokas

> > > >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > > >>

> > > >> Best wishes,

> > > >> Bhaskar.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > >>> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Sunil,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

hear

> > he

> > > >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not

over

> > > >>>> emphasise transits'//

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> > special

> > > >> way'

> > > >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not

show

> > > >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > >>>> the native.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> > stimulate

> > > >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few

months

> > back

> > > >> that

> > > >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT

ALL.

> > > >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > > >> astrologer

> > > >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a

village

> > > >>> astrologer sees.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> > internet

> > > >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is

not

> > what

> > > >> is

> > > >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning

success.

> > We go

> > > >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi

or

> > > >> maximum

> > > >>> Navamsa

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sunil

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the

transits

> > have

> > > >>>> the power to offer .

> > > >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha

signifying

> > 6th

> > > >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house

Lord,

> > > >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > > >> transit,

> > > >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic

planet is

> > > >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> > physical

> > > >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> > transit

> > > >> in

> > > >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event

too.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> > 11th

> > > >> or

> > > >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> > native

> > > >>>> health wise.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Best wishes,

> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

prefer

> > > >> it at

> > > >>>>> all).

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > >> Avayogi &

> > > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as

Santhanam,

> > > >> then

> > > >>>> its

> > > >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > >> Santhanam

> > > >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was

novel, he

> > > >> would

> > > >>>> make

> > > >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

dasa

> > > >>>> wouldn't

> > > >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > would

> > > >>>> like to

> > > >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha

lagna),

> > its

> > > >> not

> > > >>>> easy

> > > >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > >>>> statistically

> > > >>>>> test it how much it works.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in

trines to

> > AL

> > > >>>> gives

> > > >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

working

> > > >> at

> > > >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

giving

> > > >>>> job.

> > > >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > (indu

> > > >>>> lagna)

> > > >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of

his.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

old

> > > >>>> jyotish

> > > >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

he

> > > >> uses it

> > > >>>> in a

> > > >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over

emphasise

> > > >>>> transits'

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > >> <suneelhooda@>

> > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > sharing

> > > >>>> your

> > > >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

(its

> > > >>>> available

> > > >>>>>> for free download),

> > > >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

different

> > > >> ways

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

or

> > as

> > > >>>>> Santhanam

> > > >>>>>> used it.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Hi,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > >> [sunil]:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> > > >> suneelhooda@

> > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

settle

> > > >> back,

> > > >>>>> grab

> > > >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > >>>> predictive

> > > >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

master

> > > >>>> this art

> > > >>>>>> as

> > > >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > >> techniques.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

experimented

> > > >> with

> > > >>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > >> what I

> > > >>>> use

> > > >>>>>>>> personally,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would

like

> > > >> to

> > > >>>> hear

> > > >>>>> as

> > > >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

you

> > > >>>> would

> > > >>>>> rate

> > > >>>>>>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > > > based on

> > > >>> a

> > > >>>>>>> dasa's

> > > >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and

therefore

> > > >>>> survived

> > > >>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

dasa

> > > >>>> system

> > > >>>>> fell

> > > >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > >> rules to

> > > >>>>> apply

> > > >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > >>>> though not

> > > >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > >>>> northern

> > > >>>>>> India

> > > >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

dasas

> > > >> that

> > > >>>>> play

> > > >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > >> describe

> > > >>>> how

> > > >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

be

> > > >>>> accurate

> > > >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > >> timing

> > > >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion

is

> > > >> what

> > > >>>>> gives

> > > >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > > >> very

> > > >>>>> unique

> > > >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > >> approach,

> > > >>>> if I

> > > >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of

calculation

> > > >>>> used is

> > > >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > >>>> subject.

> > > >>>>> The

> > > >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

later I

> > > >>>> will

> > > >>>>> post

> > > >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > > >> this

> > > >>>> dasa

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

this

> > > >>>> since if

> > > >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

IT

> > > >> IS ,

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

simplistic

> > > >>>> manner

> > > >>>>> e.g

> > > >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > >>>> quickly in

> > > >>>>>> few

> > > >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

years):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

has

> > > >> gone

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>> self

> > > >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

Rahu the

> > > >>>> Chronic

> > > >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

etc &

> > > >> GK-

> > > >>>> Gnati

> > > >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

Gordon

> > > >>>> Brown -

> > > >>>>> his

> > > >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

know

> > > >> any

> > > >>>>> software

> > > >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > >>>> lagnas. I

> > > >>>>>> know

> > > >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but

for

> > > >>>> me, it

> > > >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > >>>> describes

> > > >>>>>> its

> > > >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > > >> that

> > > >>>> there

> > > >>>>>> are

> > > >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > >> simple

> > > >>>> non

> > > >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways

I do

> > > >> use

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>> dasa

> > > >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

has

> > > >>>> given me

> > > >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

given it

> > > >> deep

> > > >>>>>> study.

> > > >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > >> Moon/Sun

> > > >>>> when

> > > >>>>>> all

> > > >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

child

> > > >> but

> > > >>>> why

> > > >>>>>> Moon

> > > >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > >>>> exalted in

> > > >>>>> D7

> > > >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

do

> > > >>>> agree it

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

in

> > > >>>> Nirriti

> > > >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

is

> > > >> the

> > > >>>> cause

> > > >>>>> of

> > > >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > >> one of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > >> this 3rd

> > > >>>>> child

> > > >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>> effects

> > > >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > > >> ruling

> > > >>>>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > > >> take

> > > >>>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

with

> > > >>>> each

> > > >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > >> time

> > > >>>> comes.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > > >> little

> > > >>>>> time

> > > >>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>> use it

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

lagna

> > > >>>>> effecting

> > > >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

for

> > > >> child

> > > >>>>> (from

> > > >>>>>>> 5H)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

ITS

> > > >>>> FINE, NO

> > > >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > >> spirits !)

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

8H

> > > >> of

> > > >>>>> chronic

> > > >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > >> diseasegiver

> > > >>>> etc

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

or

> > > >> can

> > > >>>>> happen

> > > >>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>> this period

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > >> Karmic

> > > >>>>> issues

> > > >>>>>> of

> > > >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > >> situation

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>>> can

> > > >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > >> being

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>> 8th

> > > >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

(in

> > > >> this

> > > >>>>> chart)

> > > >>>>>> we

> > > >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

chronic

> > > >>>>> diseases

> > > >>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > >>>> diseases, &

> > > >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > >>>> hospitals,

> > > >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > >> chronic

> > > >>>>>> diseases

> > > >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > >> disease, big

> > > >>>>> time

> > > >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sunil John

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Mumbai

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

three

> > > >>>> dasas,

> > > >>>>> it

> > > >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

are

> > > >> some

> > > >>>>>> hints-

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

always

> > > >> and

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change

of

> > > >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

are

> > > >>>> seeing

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

not

> > > >>>> being

> > > >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > >> change

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

always

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all

the

> > > >>>> people

> > > >>>>>> who

> > > >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > >> vimsottotri is

> > > >>>> not

> > > >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> > > >>>>>>> /--

> > > >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > >> lagna/5

> > > >>>>> th/9th

> > > >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > >> results

> > > >>>> based

> > > >>>>> on

> > > >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > >> that in

> > > >>>>> mind,

> > > >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

experimented

> > > >> with

> > > >>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > >> other

> > > >>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > >> consistently.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

systems

> > > >> do

> > > >>>> you

> > > >>>>> use

> > > >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>