Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Om Datta Guru Dear Prafulla & Others, Nice post 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed, incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL, person changed residence for job. 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if possible n time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand kakshya transits due to lower intelligence I guess 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine can be calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in handy pls post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of my library that it is now. Long back I had posted this to software makers but they as ignored it n my interest fell down, our work is so dependent on software makers I think, some software makers are open minded, when i posted the calculation of Parivritti Dasamsa 2 of them took interest, but wonder if they would implement it. Often they ask textual reference which puts me off, when I discuss Divya lagna, Tripavana lagna they say Jaimini doesn't mention it as if there is only one commentary on Jaimini, they would be silenced by a book that comes out on Dec 8th on it & I hope it opens their eyes and of many others who think that whatever has been published of Jaimini is the end of it all. 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might know that, when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me, later I got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who demonstrated it in his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some would say but Real Parampara I would say. 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his books, earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome in real practice to the short time i get per chart 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must master (I haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it beautifully & masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes spectacular prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too but success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits together, i still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional in his thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't budge an inch. Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis family. When he died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of best nadi techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or computer according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I would be most interested to see it. Regards, SJ , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many of successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda Government). > > Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most software (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon / lagna (i.e. reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct method. For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu Lagna's lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for materialistic gains. > > Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent results (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding principles). Sun's transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as favourable career period. > > I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very effective mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the family. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000 > > > > Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu Lagna/Suneel > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > Dear Suneel, > > > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at > > all). > > > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi & > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite. > > > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then its > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would make > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa wouldn't > > indicate at all or not easily. > > > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would like to > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not easy > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to statistically > > test it how much it works. > > > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL gives > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving job. > > (there are some riders I hear) > > > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu lagna) > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his. > > > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old jyotish > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it in a > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise transits' > > > > Sunil John > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing your > >> learned views on this topic, > >> > >> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its available > >> for free download), > >> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways to > >> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as > > Santhanam > >> used it. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Suneel hooda > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , "suniljohn_2002" > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Om Datta Guru > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]: > >>> > >>> > >>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, > > grab > >>>> some coffee and read on... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > >>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art > >> as > >>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > >>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > >>>> personally, > >>>> > >>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear > > as > >>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would > > rate > >>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a > >>> dasa's > >>>> usage popularity > >>>> > >>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived > >> to > >>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system > > fell > >>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to > > apply > >>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > >>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern > >> India > >>>> because it consistently works! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that > > play > >>>> out their role in life in the following order- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > >>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > >>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > >>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what > > gives > >>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very > > unique > >>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > >>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > >>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. > > The > >>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will > > post > >>>> a section on it. > >>>> > >>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa > > is > >>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since if > >>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , that > > is > >>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner > > e.g > >>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly in > >> few > >>> secs I use it this way > >>> > >>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years): > >>> > >>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12 > >>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17 > >>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26 > >>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05 > >>> > >>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity > >>> > >>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good > >>> > >>> Cn PD- again 5H > >>> > >>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to > > self > >>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the Chronic > >>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- Gnati > >>> Karaka disease giver) > >>> > >>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown - > > his > >>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis > >>> > >>> Gordon Brown > >>> > >>> Natal Chart > >>> > >>> February 20, 1951 > >>> Time: 8:40:00 > >>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > >>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00" > >>> Giffnock, United Kingdom > >>> > >>> > >>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any > > software > >>> which gives that correctly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't > > to > >>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I > >> know > >>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > >>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes > >> its > >>>> usage, and it works brilliantly. > >>>> > >>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that there > >> are > >>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non > >>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use the > >> dasa > >>> in divisional charts and it works well for me > >>> > >>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given me > >>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep > >> study. > >>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun when > >> all > >>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why > >> Moon > >>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted in > > D7 > >>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree it > > is > >>> in 4H of D7 > >>> > >>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti > >>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the cause > > of > >>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of the > >>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd > > child > >>> born with Cystic Fibrosis > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the > >> effects > >>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling > >> yogini > >>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take > > yogini > >>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > >>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little > > time > >> to > >>> use it > >>> > >>> Same example of Gordon Brown > >>> > >>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis): > >>> > >>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24 > >>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24 > >>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17 > >>> > >>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna > > effecting > >>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house) > >>> > >>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child > > (from > >>> 5H) > >>> > >>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children > >>> > >>> all indicating the EVENT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > >>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > >>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > >>>> > >>>> [sunil]: correct way > >>> > >>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa > >>> > >>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul): > >>> > >>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19 > >>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21 > >>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23 > >>> > >>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children > >>> > >>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of > > chronic > >>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc > >>> > >>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease > >>> > >>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can > > happen > >> in > >>> this period > >>> > >>> ANOTHER WAY > >>> > >>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu): > >>> > >>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05 > >>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07 > >>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27 > >>> > >>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic > > issues > >> of > >>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation that > >> can > >>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the > > 8th > >>> lord of chronic diseases > >>> > >>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this > > chart) > >> we > >>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu > >>> > >>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic > > diseases > >> in > >>> D7 (Saptamsa) > >>> > >>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, & > >>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals, > >>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children > >>> > >>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord > >>> > >>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic > >> diseases > >>> like cancer or death through accidents etc > >>> > >>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big > > time > >>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Sunil John > >>> > >>> Mumbai > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, > > it > >>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some > >> hints- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > >>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of > >>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > >>>> > >>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing > > is > >>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > >>>> shared with many people. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > >>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that > > the > >>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people > >> who > >>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > >>>> very time sensitive. > >>>> > >>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in > >> Kendra/kona > >>> /-- > >>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > >>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 > > th/9th > >>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based > > on > >>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in > > mind, > >>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > >>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > >>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > >>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you > > use > >>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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