$3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

December 5, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar,

These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view & self

exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

still would like to clarify.

I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two examples

& coffee is required.

A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many internet

lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting shlokas

or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show their

scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all of

their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the meanwhile

he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all the

remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a village

astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person gets

big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that by Dec

12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

believing what has happened.

These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual reference

but poorest as humans or predictors.

B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs this

traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I will

have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still they do

not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list wrote to

me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only with

lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want to

learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or corrupted him

with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North. Such

people should be left untouched like a virgin.

Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear, D60

is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have seen,

but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am going

deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since after

visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50 yrs of

astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the pandit to

hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list went

to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he recites.

Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and this

Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to 73 of

this mentor.

Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full Bhakti,

but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited that

ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but it

wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa Bahu

aur baby)

Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists have

become platform for.

best

SJ

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books (Major

> part) but also

> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> learning,

> and also attending lectures

> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> constellations) charts

> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which gives

> me fortunately

> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> conformity may

> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting the

> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

>

> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come up

> with

> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> that the

> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not many

> know to use

> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> divisional charts

> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain age,

> they

> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

> each

> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand and

> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again with

> due

> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in city

> through

> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> shlokas

> which the village astrologers know by heart.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Reply as [sunil]:

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > emphasise transits'//

> > >

> >

> > [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special

> way'

> > and not the ordinary way we use.

> >

> > > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > the native.

> >

> > [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

> > peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months back

> that

> > if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> astrologer

> > (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > astrologer sees.

> >

> > I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities & internet

> > lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what

> is

> > what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We go

> > into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> maximum

> > Navamsa

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

> > > the power to offer .

> > > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

> > > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> transit,

> > > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

> > > health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit

> in

> > > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > >

> > > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th

> or

> > > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

> > > health wise.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suneel,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> it at

> > > > all).

> > > >

> > > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> Avayogi &

> > > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > >

> > > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> then

> > > its

> > > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> Santhanam

> > > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> would

> > > make

> > > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > > wouldn't

> > > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > > >

> > > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

> > > like to

> > > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

> not

> > > easy

> > > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > statistically

> > > > test it how much it works.

> > > >

> > > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> > > gives

> > > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> at

> > > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > > job.

> > > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > > >

> > > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> > > lagna)

> > > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > > jyotish

> > > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> uses it

> > > in a

> > > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > transits'

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > >

> > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> <suneelhooda@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

> > > your

> > > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > > >

> > > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > > available

> > > > > for free download),

> > > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> ways

> > > to

> > > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> > > > Santhanam

> > > > > used it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Suneel hooda

> > > > >

> > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> [sunil]:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> suneelhooda@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> back,

> > > > grab

> > > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > > this art

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> techniques.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> with

> > > most

> > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> what I

> > > use

> > > > > > > personally,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> to

> > > hear

> > > > as

> > > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > > would

> > > > rate

> > > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

based on

> > a

> > > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > > survived

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > > system

> > > > fell

> > > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> rules to

> > > > apply

> > > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > though not

> > > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > northern

> > > > > India

> > > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> that

> > > > play

> > > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> describe

> > > how

> > > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > > accurate

> > > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> timing

> > > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> what

> > > > gives

> > > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> very

> > > > unique

> > > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> approach,

> > > if I

> > > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > > used is

> > > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > subject.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > > will

> > > > post

> > > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> this

> > > dasa

> > > > is

> > > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > > since if

> > > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> IS ,

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > > manner

> > > > e.g

> > > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > quickly in

> > > > > few

> > > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> gone

> > > to

> > > > self

> > > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > > Chronic

> > > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> GK-

> > > Gnati

> > > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > > Brown -

> > > > his

> > > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> any

> > > > software

> > > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > >

> > > > to

> > > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > lagnas. I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > > me, it

> > > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > describes

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> that

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> simple

> > > non

> > > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> use

> > > the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > > given me

> > > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> deep

> > > > > study.

> > > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> Moon/Sun

> > > when

> > > > > all

> > > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> but

> > > why

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > exalted in

> > > > D7

> > > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > > agree it

> > > > is

> > > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > > Nirriti

> > > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> the

> > > cause

> > > > of

> > > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> one of

> > > the

> > > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> this 3rd

> > > > child

> > > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> the

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> ruling

> > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> take

> > > > yogini

> > > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > > each

> > > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> time

> > > comes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> little

> > > > time

> > > > > to

> > > > > > use it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > > > effecting

> > > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> child

> > > > (from

> > > > > > 5H)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > > FINE, NO

> > > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> spirits !)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> of

> > > > chronic

> > > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> diseasegiver

> > > etc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> can

> > > > happen

> > > > > in

> > > > > > this period

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> Karmic

> > > > issues

> > > > > of

> > > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> situation

> > > that

> > > > > can

> > > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> being

> > > the

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> this

> > > > chart)

> > > > > we

> > > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > > > diseases

> > > > > in

> > > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > diseases, &

> > > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > hospitals,

> > > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> chronic

> > > > > diseases

> > > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> disease, big

> > > > time

> > > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > > dasas,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> some

> > > > > hints-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > > seeing

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > > being

> > > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> change

> > > of

> > > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > > people

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> vimsottotri is

> > > not

> > > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > > /--

> > > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> lagna/5

> > > > th/9th

> > > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> results

> > > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> that in

> > > > mind,

> > > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> with

> > > most

> > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> other

> > > yogini

> > > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> consistently.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> do

> > > you

> > > > use

> > > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

December 5, 2006

Thank You Dear John, I did not find it a long mail and

enjoyed reading it.

Yours,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view &

self

> exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

> still would like to clarify.

>

> I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

examples

> & coffee is required.

>

> A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

> till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

internet

> lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

shlokas

> or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

their

> scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all

of

> their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

meanwhile

> he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

the

> remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

village

> astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

gets

> big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

by Dec

> 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

>

> Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> believing what has happened.

>

> These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

> ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

reference

> but poorest as humans or predictors.

>

> B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

> about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

this

> traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

will

> have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

> then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

they do

> not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

>

> Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

>

> The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

> Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

> Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

wrote to

> me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

> directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

with

> lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

to

> learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

corrupted him

> with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North.

Such

> people should be left untouched like a virgin.

>

> Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

D60

> is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

seen,

> but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

going

> deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

after

> visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

yrs of

> astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

>

> Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

> Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

pandit to

> hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

went

> to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

> disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

recites.

> Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

this

> Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

73 of

> this mentor.

>

> Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

Bhakti,

> but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

that

> ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but

it

> wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa

Bahu

> aur baby)

>

> Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists

have

> become platform for.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

(Major

> > part) but also

> > academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > learning,

> > and also attending lectures

> > 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > constellations) charts

> > are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

gives

> > me fortunately

> > a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > conformity may

> > not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

the

> > right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> >

> > I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

up

> > with

> > stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > that the

> > scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

many

> > know to use

> > the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > divisional charts

> > or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

age,

> > they

> > are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

> > each

> > Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

and

> > then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

with

> > due

> > respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

city

> > through

> > various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > shlokas

> > which the village astrologers know by heart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Reply as [sunil]:

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

hear he

> > > > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > > emphasise transits'//

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

special

> > way'

> > > and not the ordinary way we use.

> > >

> > > > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > > > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > > the native.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

stimulate

> > > peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

back

> > that

> > > if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > > Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > astrologer

> > > (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > > astrologer sees.

> > >

> > > I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

internet

> > > lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

what

> > is

> > > what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

We go

> > > into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > maximum

> > > Navamsa

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

have

> > > > the power to offer .

> > > > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

6th

> > > > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > > > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > transit,

> > > > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet

is

> > > > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

physical

> > > > health of the native is going to take a beating which the

transit

> > in

> > > > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > > >

> > > > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

11th

> > or

> > > > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

native

> > > > health wise.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suneel,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

prefer

> > it at

> > > > > all).

> > > > >

> > > > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > Avayogi &

> > > > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > then

> > > > its

> > > > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > Santhanam

> > > > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel,

he

> > would

> > > > make

> > > > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

dasa

> > > > wouldn't

> > > > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > >

> > > > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

would

> > > > like to

> > > > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

its

> > not

> > > > easy

> > > > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > statistically

> > > > > test it how much it works.

> > > > >

> > > > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

to AL

> > > > gives

> > > > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

working

> > at

> > > > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

giving

> > > > job.

> > > > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

(indu

> > > > lagna)

> > > > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

old

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > uses it

> > > > in a

> > > > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > > transits'

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > <suneelhooda@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

(its

> > > > available

> > > > > > for free download),

> > > > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

different

> > ways

> > > > to

> > > > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

or as

> > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > used it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suneel hooda

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > [sunil]:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

settle

> > back,

> > > > > grab

> > > > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

master

> > > > this art

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > techniques.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

experimented

> > with

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > what I

> > > > use

> > > > > > > > personally,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would

like

> > to

> > > > hear

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

you

> > > > would

> > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and

therefore

> > > > survived

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

dasa

> > > > system

> > > > > fell

> > > > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > rules to

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in

point,

> > > > though not

> > > > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > > northern

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

dasas

> > that

> > > > > play

> > > > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > describe

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

be

> > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > timing

> > > > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift

motion is

> > what

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns

are

> > very

> > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > approach,

> > > > if I

> > > > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of

calculation

> > > > used is

> > > > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > > subject.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

later I

> > > > will

> > > > > post

> > > > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

ignoring

> > this

> > > > dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

this

> > > > since if

> > > > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

IT

> > IS ,

> > > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

simplistic

> > > > manner

> > > > > e.g

> > > > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > > quickly in

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

years):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

has

> > gone

> > > > to

> > > > > self

> > > > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

Rahu the

> > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

etc &

> > GK-

> > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

Gordon

> > > > Brown -

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

know

> > any

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i

don't

> > > >

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > > lagnas. I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work,

but for

> > > > me, it

> > > > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

parashar

> > > > describes

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I

believe

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > simple

> > > > non

> > > > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways

I do

> > use

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

has

> > > > given me

> > > > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

given it

> > deep

> > > > > > study.

> > > > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > Moon/Sun

> > > > when

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

child

> > but

> > > > why

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > > exalted in

> > > > > D7

> > > > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

do

> > > > agree it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

in

> > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

is

> > the

> > > > cause

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > one of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > this 3rd

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

to

> > the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of

the

> > ruling

> > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand

I

> > take

> > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

with

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > time

> > > > comes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I

get

> > little

> > > > > time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > use it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

lagna

> > > > > effecting

> > > > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

for

> > child

> > > > > (from

> > > > > > > 5H)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

ITS

> > > > FINE, NO

> > > > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > spirits !)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

8H

> > of

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > diseasegiver

> > > > etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

or

> > can

> > > > > happen

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > this period

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > Karmic

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > situation

> > > > that

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > being

> > > > the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

(in

> > this

> > > > > chart)

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

chronic

> > > > > diseases

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > diseases, &

> > > > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > chronic

> > > > > > diseases

> > > > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > disease, big

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

three

> > > > dasas,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

are

> > some

> > > > > > hints-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

always

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change

of

> > > > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

are

> > > > seeing

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

not

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > change

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

always

> > > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by

all the

> > > > people

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > vimsottotri is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > /--

> > > > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > lagna/5

> > > > > th/9th

> > > > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > results

> > > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always

work.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > that in

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

experimented

> > with

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > other

> > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > consistently.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

systems

> > do

> > > > you

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

December 5, 2006

Well I too have had a few experiences like this, will just relate one,

I had been few years back to Dwarkaji for Darshan of Dwarkadheesh

(Lord Krishna). When I went in the inner sanctorium to pay my

obesciences to the Lord, the Purohit who sits there, after my worship

was over came out and casually told me, just looking at me,

that You were born in Shukla Paksha and so and so tithi, plus few

other things, which only I knew. This was without the chart. I did

not get the opportunity to show my chart, but this man of 90 Years

age was fabolous. These people apart from the astrological deep

secrets and knowledge they possess, also have tremendous intutition

probably brought by their austere way of living in small

towns/villages, getting up early morning, good quality pooja,

meditation, Japa coupled with disciplined life, most of their

activities co-inciding with the proper Muhurtas (Constellation

aids), thus making them pure to the core. We may develop maybe

scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

necessary may never come with our styles of living.

Thatswhy I have kept the standards of a real astrologer very high and

must humbly confess am nowhere remotely near the mark.

Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal

secret clues).

>

> My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and

said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only

after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967

panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi

panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I happen

to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to tell,

that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree

urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and offer

milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by a

big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next day,

second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first question

was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

>

> My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

>

> I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

readings.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

care.

>

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > suniljohn_2002

> > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> >

> > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

& self

> > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

but

> > still would like to clarify.

> >

> > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

examples

> > & coffee is required.

> >

> > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

astrologers

> > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

internet

> > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

shlokas

> > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

their

> > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

all of

> > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

meanwhile

> > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

all the

> > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

village

> > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

gets

> > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

by Dec

> > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> >

> > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > believing what has happened.

> >

> > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

fake

> > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

reference

> > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> >

> > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

is

> > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

this

> > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

will

> > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

astrologer &

> > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

they do

> > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> >

> > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> >

> > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

title

> > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

&

> > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

wrote to

> > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

asking

> > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

with

> > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

want to

> > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

corrupted him

> > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

North. Such

> > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> >

> > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

clear, D60

> > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

seen,

> > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

going

> > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

since after

> > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

yrs of

> > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> >

> > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

the

> > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

pandit to

> > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

list went

> > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

very

> > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

recites.

> > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

this

> > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

73 of

> > this mentor.

> >

> > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

Bhakti,

> > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

excited that

> > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

but it

> > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

Baa Bahu

> > aur baby)

> >

> > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

lists have

> > become platform for.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Sunil,

> >>

> >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

(Major

> >> part) but also

> >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> >> learning,

> >> and also attending lectures

> >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> >> constellations) charts

> >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

gives

> >> me fortunately

> >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> >> conformity may

> >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

the

> >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> >>

> >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

up

> >> with

> >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> >> that the

> >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

many

> >> know to use

> >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> >> divisional charts

> >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

age,

> >> they

> >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

householders

> >> each

> >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

and

> >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

with

> >> due

> >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

city

> >> through

> >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> >> shlokas

> >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> >>

> >> Best wishes,

> >> Bhaskar.

> >>

> >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>

> >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> >>>

> >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> >>>

> >>> , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Sunil,

> >>>>

> >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

he

> >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> >>>> emphasise transits'//

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

special

> >> way'

> >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> >>>

> >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> >>>> the native.

> >>>

> >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

stimulate

> >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

back

> >> that

> >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> >> astrologer

> >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> >>> astrologer sees.

> >>>

> >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

internet

> >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

what

> >> is

> >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

We go

> >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> >> maximum

> >>> Navamsa

> >>>

> >>> Sunil

> >>>

> >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

have

> >>>> the power to offer .

> >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

6th

> >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> >> transit,

> >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

physical

> >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

transit

> >> in

> >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> >>>>

> >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

11th

> >> or

> >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

native

> >>>> health wise.

> >>>>

> >>>> Best wishes,

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>

> >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> >> it at

> >>>>> all).

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> >> Avayogi &

> >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> >> then

> >>>> its

> >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> >> Santhanam

> >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> >> would

> >>>> make

> >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> >>>> wouldn't

> >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

would

> >>>> like to

> >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

its

> >> not

> >>>> easy

> >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> >>>> statistically

> >>>>> test it how much it works.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

AL

> >>>> gives

> >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> >> at

> >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> >>>> job.

> >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

(indu

> >>>> lagna)

> >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> >>>> jyotish

> >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> >> uses it

> >>>> in a

> >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> >>>> transits'

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sunil John

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mumbai

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> >> <suneelhooda@>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

sharing

> >>>> your

> >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> >>>> available

> >>>>>> for free download),

> >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> >> ways

> >>>> to

> >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

as

> >>>>> Santhanam

> >>>>>> used it.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hi,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> >> [sunil]:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> >> suneelhooda@

> >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> >> back,

> >>>>> grab

> >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> >>>> predictive

> >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> >>>> this art

> >>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> >> techniques.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> >> with

> >>>> most

> >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> >> what I

> >>>> use

> >>>>>>>> personally,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> >> to

> >>>> hear

> >>>>> as

> >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> >>>> would

> >>>>> rate

> >>>>>>>> them Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > based on

> >>> a

> >>>>>>> dasa's

> >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> >>>> survived

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> >>>> system

> >>>>> fell

> >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> >> rules to

> >>>>> apply

> >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> >>>> though not

> >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> >>>> northern

> >>>>>> India

> >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> >> that

> >>>>> play

> >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> >> describe

> >>>> how

> >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> >>>> accurate

> >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> >> timing

> >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> >> what

> >>>>> gives

> >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> >> very

> >>>>> unique

> >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> >> approach,

> >>>> if I

> >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> >>>> used is

> >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> >>>> subject.

> >>>>> The

> >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> >>>> will

> >>>>> post

> >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> >> this

> >>>> dasa

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> >>>> since if

> >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> >> IS ,

> >>>> that

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> >>>> manner

> >>>>> e.g

> >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> >>>> quickly in

> >>>>>> few

> >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> >> gone

> >>>> to

> >>>>> self

> >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> >>>> Chronic

> >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> >> GK-

> >>>> Gnati

> >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> >>>> Brown -

> >>>>> his

> >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> >> any

> >>>>> software

> >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >>>>

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> >>>> lagnas. I

> >>>>>> know

> >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> >>>> me, it

> >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> >>>> describes

> >>>>>> its

> >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> >> that

> >>>> there

> >>>>>> are

> >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> >> simple

> >>>> non

> >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> >> use

> >>>> the

> >>>>>> dasa

> >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> >>>> given me

> >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> >> deep

> >>>>>> study.

> >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> >> Moon/Sun

> >>>> when

> >>>>>> all

> >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> >> but

> >>>> why

> >>>>>> Moon

> >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> >>>> exalted in

> >>>>> D7

> >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> >>>> agree it

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> >>>> Nirriti

> >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> >> the

> >>>> cause

> >>>>> of

> >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> >> one of

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> >> this 3rd

> >>>>> child

> >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> >> the

> >>>>>> effects

> >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> >> ruling

> >>>>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> >> take

> >>>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> >>>> each

> >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> >> time

> >>>> comes.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> >> little

> >>>>> time

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>>> use it

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> >>>>> effecting

> >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> >> child

> >>>>> (from

> >>>>>>> 5H)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> >>>> FINE, NO

> >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> >> spirits !)

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> >> of

> >>>>> chronic

> >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> >> diseasegiver

> >>>> etc

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> >> can

> >>>>> happen

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> this period

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> >> Karmic

> >>>>> issues

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> >> situation

> >>>> that

> >>>>>> can

> >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> >> being

> >>>> the

> >>>>> 8th

> >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> >> this

> >>>>> chart)

> >>>>>> we

> >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> >>>>> diseases

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> >>>> diseases, &

> >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> >>>> hospitals,

> >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> >> chronic

> >>>>>> diseases

> >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> >> disease, big

> >>>>> time

> >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sunil John

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Mumbai

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> >>>> dasas,

> >>>>> it

> >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> >> some

> >>>>>> hints-

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> >> and

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> >>>> seeing

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> >>>> being

> >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> >> change

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> >>>> that

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> >>>> people

> >>>>>> who

> >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> >> vimsottotri is

> >>>> not

> >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Â– a planet in

> >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> >>>>>>> /--

> >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> >> lagna/5

> >>>>> th/9th

> >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> >> results

> >>>> based

> >>>>> on

> >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> >> that in

> >>>>> mind,

> >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> >> with

> >>>> most

> >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> >> other

> >>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> >> consistently.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> >> do

> >>>> you

> >>>>> use

> >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

December 5, 2006

Oh Yes Dear John,

i forgot to add , from my side was not a self exposition, but just

revelation of facts.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view &

self

> exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

> still would like to clarify.

>

> I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

examples

> & coffee is required.

>

> A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

> till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

internet

> lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

shlokas

> or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

their

> scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all

of

> their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

meanwhile

> he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

the

> remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

village

> astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

gets

> big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

by Dec

> 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

>

> Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> believing what has happened.

>

> These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

> ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

reference

> but poorest as humans or predictors.

>

> B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

> about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

this

> traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

will

> have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

> then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

they do

> not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

>

> Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

>

> The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

> Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

> Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

wrote to

> me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

> directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

with

> lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

to

> learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

corrupted him

> with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North.

Such

> people should be left untouched like a virgin.

>

> Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

D60

> is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

seen,

> but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

going

> deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

after

> visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

yrs of

> astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

>

> Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

> Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

pandit to

> hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

went

> to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

> disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

recites.

> Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

this

> Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

73 of

> this mentor.

>

> Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

Bhakti,

> but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

that

> ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but

it

> wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa

Bahu

> aur baby)

>

> Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists

have

> become platform for.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

(Major

> > part) but also

> > academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > learning,

> > and also attending lectures

> > 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > constellations) charts

> > are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

gives

> > me fortunately

> > a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > conformity may

> > not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

the

> > right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> >

> > I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

up

> > with

> > stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > that the

> > scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

many

> > know to use

> > the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > divisional charts

> > or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

age,

> > they

> > are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

> > each

> > Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

and

> > then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

with

> > due

> > respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

city

> > through

> > various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > shlokas

> > which the village astrologers know by heart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Reply as [sunil]:

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I

hear he

> > > > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > > emphasise transits'//

> > > >

> > >

> > > [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

special

> > way'

> > > and not the ordinary way we use.

> > >

> > > > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > > > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > > the native.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

stimulate

> > > peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

back

> > that

> > > if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > > Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > astrologer

> > > (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > > astrologer sees.

> > >

> > > I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

internet

> > > lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

what

> > is

> > > what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

We go

> > > into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > maximum

> > > Navamsa

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

have

> > > > the power to offer .

> > > > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

6th

> > > > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > > > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > transit,

> > > > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet

is

> > > > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

physical

> > > > health of the native is going to take a beating which the

transit

> > in

> > > > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > > >

> > > > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

11th

> > or

> > > > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

native

> > > > health wise.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suneel,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not

prefer

> > it at

> > > > > all).

> > > > >

> > > > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > Avayogi &

> > > > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > then

> > > > its

> > > > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > Santhanam

> > > > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel,

he

> > would

> > > > make

> > > > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim

dasa

> > > > wouldn't

> > > > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > > > >

> > > > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

would

> > > > like to

> > > > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

its

> > not

> > > > easy

> > > > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > > statistically

> > > > > test it how much it works.

> > > > >

> > > > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines

to AL

> > > > gives

> > > > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

working

> > at

> > > > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

giving

> > > > job.

> > > > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

(indu

> > > > lagna)

> > > > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the

old

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > uses it

> > > > in a

> > > > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > > transits'

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > <suneelhooda@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora

(its

> > > > available

> > > > > > for free download),

> > > > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various

different

> > ways

> > > > to

> > > > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh

or as

> > > > > Santhanam

> > > > > > used it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suneel hooda

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > [sunil]:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > suneelhooda@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so

settle

> > back,

> > > > > grab

> > > > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to

master

> > > > this art

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > techniques.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have

experimented

> > with

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > what I

> > > > use

> > > > > > > > personally,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would

like

> > to

> > > > hear

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how

you

> > > > would

> > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and

therefore

> > > > survived

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a

dasa

> > > > system

> > > > > fell

> > > > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > rules to

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in

point,

> > > > though not

> > > > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > > northern

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the

dasas

> > that

> > > > > play

> > > > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > describe

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to

be

> > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > timing

> > > > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift

motion is

> > what

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns

are

> > very

> > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > approach,

> > > > if I

> > > > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of

calculation

> > > > used is

> > > > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > > subject.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and

later I

> > > > will

> > > > > post

> > > > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised

ignoring

> > this

> > > > dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use

this

> > > > since if

> > > > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if

IT

> > IS ,

> > > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very

simplistic

> > > > manner

> > > > > e.g

> > > > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > > quickly in

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86

years):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which

has

> > gone

> > > > to

> > > > > self

> > > > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits

Rahu the

> > > > Chronic

> > > > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc

etc &

> > GK-

> > > > Gnati

> > > > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of

Gordon

> > > > Brown -

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u

know

> > any

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i

don't

> > > >

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > > lagnas. I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work,

but for

> > > > me, it

> > > > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way

parashar

> > > > describes

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I

believe

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > simple

> > > > non

> > > > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways

I do

> > use

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it

has

> > > > given me

> > > > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't

given it

> > deep

> > > > > > study.

> > > > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > Moon/Sun

> > > > when

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for

child

> > but

> > > > why

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > > exalted in

> > > > > D7

> > > > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I

do

> > > > agree it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction

in

> > > > Nirriti

> > > > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon

is

> > the

> > > > cause

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > one of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > this 3rd

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i

to

> > the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of

the

> > ruling

> > > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand

I

> > take

> > > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope,

with

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > time

> > > > comes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I

get

> > little

> > > > > time

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > use it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

lagna

> > > > > effecting

> > > > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka

for

> > child

> > > > > (from

> > > > > > > 5H)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM

ITS

> > > > FINE, NO

> > > > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > spirits !)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also

8H

> > of

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > diseasegiver

> > > > etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could

or

> > can

> > > > > happen

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > this period

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > Karmic

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > situation

> > > > that

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > being

> > > > the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child

(in

> > this

> > > > > chart)

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

chronic

> > > > > diseases

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > > diseases, &

> > > > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > > hospitals,

> > > > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > chronic

> > > > > > diseases

> > > > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > disease, big

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all

three

> > > > dasas,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These

are

> > some

> > > > > > hints-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass

always

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change

of

> > > > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you

are

> > > > seeing

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is

not

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > change

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember

always

> > > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by

all the

> > > > people

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > vimsottotri is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > > > /--

> > > > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > lagna/5

> > > > > th/9th

> > > > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > results

> > > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always

work.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > that in

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have

experimented

> > with

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > other

> > > > yogini

> > > > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > consistently.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa

systems

> > do

> > > > you

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

December 6, 2006

Namaste Sunil and Sri Bhaskar

On a lighter note, I would like to share something:

When US wanted to send a spaceship in space, they were perturbed about pens

not working. Since the ink flows down through gravity and in space there is

no gravity. USA invested a few millions in inventing a pen that would not be

gravity dependent. Russians use a pencil.

We tend to think complex rules means great understanding of astrology, but

then, it isn't so. Even in yoga, the simple exercises are most beneficial

for the entire body. Some of the complex exercises are in fact not that

useful, than a simple Padmasana.

I know different subjects have different requirements but one should have

faith in the basics.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 12/6/06, suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2002 > wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Very nice of u to share this experience, this is what I call magical

> experience & fantastic usage of snap shot methods.

>

> The idea of my previous post was not about Ecstatic experiences but of

> True Normal Astrology. I wish to clarify it.

>

> Let me re-present it here again though it could be boring.

>

> What that traditionalist does is normal astrology, which every

> astrologer is supposed to do, but since we in the city's & internet

> groups tend to believe something else is normal astrology we feel that

> which these traditionalists do is Novel, which is not the case. They are

> expected to be accurate otherwise their clientele is lost forever being

> in the same village.

>

> Ofcourse he is no doubt a Neelakhanti, but his way of learning I wonder

> how many of us can match, for 25 yrs he studied jyotish and only after

> 25 yrs he was allowed to see a chart.

>

> I will sometime today post a mail on Normal Jyotish

>

> We may develop maybe

> > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

>

> That is so true and a profound statement.

>

> regards

>

> Sunil

>

> <%40>,

> "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

> wrote:

> >

> > Well I too have had a few experiences like this, will just relate one,

> > I had been few years back to Dwarkaji for Darshan of Dwarkadheesh

> > (Lord Krishna). When I went in the inner sanctorium to pay my

> > obesciences to the Lord, the Purohit who sits there, after my worship

> > was over came out and casually told me, just looking at me,

> > that You were born in Shukla Paksha and so and so tithi, plus few

> > other things, which only I knew. This was without the chart. I did

> > not get the opportunity to show my chart, but this man of 90 Years

> > age was fabolous. These people apart from the astrological deep

> > secrets and knowledge they possess, also have tremendous intutition

> > probably brought by their austere way of living in small

> > towns/villages, getting up early morning, good quality pooja,

> > meditation, Japa coupled with disciplined life, most of their

> > activities co-inciding with the proper Muhurtas (Constellation

> > aids), thus making them pure to the core. We may develop maybe

> > scinetific base better than them, but those other thngs which are

> > necessary may never come with our styles of living.

> > Thatswhy I have kept the standards of a real astrologer very high and

> > must humbly confess am nowhere remotely near the mark.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

> > chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal

> > secret clues).

> > >

> > > My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

> > when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and

> > said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only

> > after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967

> > panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi

> > panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I happen

> > to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to tell,

> > that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree

> > urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and offer

> > milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by a

> > big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next day,

> > second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first question

> > was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

> > >

> > > My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

> > these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

> > >

> > > I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

> > Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

> > readings.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> > care.

> > >

> > > ************************************************

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002@

> > > > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> > > > <%40>

> > > > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

> > & self

> > > > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

> > but

> > > > still would like to clarify.

> > > >

> > > > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

> > examples

> > > > & coffee is required.

> > > >

> > > > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

> > astrologers

> > > > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

> > internet

> > > > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

> > shlokas

> > > > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

> > their

> > > > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

> > all of

> > > > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

> > meanwhile

> > > > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

> > all the

> > > > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

> > village

> > > > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

> > gets

> > > > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > > > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

> > by Dec

> > > > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > > > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > > > believing what has happened.

> > > >

> > > > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

> > fake

> > > > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

> > reference

> > > > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> > > >

> > > > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

> > is

> > > > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

> > this

> > > > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

> > will

> > > > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

> > astrologer &

> > > > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

> > they do

> > > > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> > > >

> > > > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> > > >

> > > > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

> > title

> > > > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

> > &

> > > > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

> > wrote to

> > > > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

> > asking

> > > > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

> > with

> > > > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

> > want to

> > > > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> > corrupted him

> > > > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

> > North. Such

> > > > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

> > clear, D60

> > > > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

> > seen,

> > > > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

> > going

> > > > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

> > since after

> > > > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

> > yrs of

> > > > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > > > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

> > the

> > > > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> > pandit to

> > > > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

> > list went

> > > > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

> > very

> > > > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > > > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

> > recites.

> > > > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

> > this

> > > > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

> > 73 of

> > > > this mentor.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

> > Bhakti,

> > > > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

> > excited that

> > > > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

> > but it

> > > > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > > > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

> > Baa Bahu

> > > > aur baby)

> > > >

> > > > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

> > lists have

> > > > become platform for.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Sunil,

> > > >>

> > > >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> > (Major

> > > >> part) but also

> > > >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> > > >> learning,

> > > >> and also attending lectures

> > > >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> > > >> constellations) charts

> > > >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

> > gives

> > > >> me fortunately

> > > >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> > > >> conformity may

> > > >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

> > the

> > > >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> > > >>

> > > >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

> > up

> > > >> with

> > > >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> > > >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> > > >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> > > >> that the

> > > >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

> > many

> > > >> know to use

> > > >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> > > >> divisional charts

> > > >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

> > age,

> > > >> they

> > > >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> > > >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

> > householders

> > > >> each

> > > >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

> > and

> > > >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> > > >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> > > >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

> > with

> > > >> due

> > > >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

> > city

> > > >> through

> > > >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> > > >> shlokas

> > > >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> > > >>

> > > >> Best wishes,

> > > >> Bhaskar.

> > > >>

> > > >> <%40>,

> "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> <%40>,

> "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > >>> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Sunil,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

> > he

> > > >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > > >>>> emphasise transits'//

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> > special

> > > >> way'

> > > >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > > >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > > >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > > >>>> the native.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> > stimulate

> > > >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

> > back

> > > >> that

> > > >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> > > >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> > > >> astrologer

> > > >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> > > >>> astrologer sees.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

> > internet

> > > >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

> > what

> > > >> is

> > > >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

> > We go

> > > >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> > > >> maximum

> > > >>> Navamsa

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sunil

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > > >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

> > have

> > > >>>> the power to offer .

> > > >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

> > 6th

> > > >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > > >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> > > >> transit,

> > > >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > > >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> > physical

> > > >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> > transit

> > > >> in

> > > >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> > 11th

> > > >> or

> > > >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> > native

> > > >>>> health wise.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Best wishes,

> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> <%40>,

> "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> > > >> it at

> > > >>>>> all).

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> > > >> Avayogi &

> > > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> > > >> then

> > > >>>> its

> > > >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> > > >> Santhanam

> > > >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> > > >> would

> > > >>>> make

> > > >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > > >>>> wouldn't

> > > >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> > would

> > > >>>> like to

> > > >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> > its

> > > >> not

> > > >>>> easy

> > > >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > > >>>> statistically

> > > >>>>> test it how much it works.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

> > AL

> > > >>>> gives

> > > >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> > > >> at

> > > >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > > >>>> job.

> > > >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> > (indu

> > > >>>> lagna)

> > > >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > > >>>> jyotish

> > > >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > > >> uses it

> > > >>>> in a

> > > >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > > >>>> transits'

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Sunil John

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Mumbai

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> <%40>,

> "Suneel Hooda"

> > > >> <suneelhooda@>

> > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> > sharing

> > > >>>> your

> > > >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > > >>>> available

> > > >>>>>> for free download),

> > > >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> > > >> ways

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

> > as

> > > >>>>> Santhanam

> > > >>>>>> used it.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> <%40..com>,

> "suniljohn_2002"

> > > >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Hi,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> > > >> [sunil]:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> <%40>,

> "Suneel Hooda"

> > > >> suneelhooda@

> > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> > > >> back,

> > > >>>>> grab

> > > >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > > >>>> predictive

> > > >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > > >>>> this art

> > > >>>>>> as

> > > >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> > > >> techniques.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> > > >> with

> > > >>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> > > >> what I

> > > >>>> use

> > > >>>>>>>> personally,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> > > >> to

> > > >>>> hear

> > > >>>>> as

> > > >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > > >>>> would

> > > >>>>> rate

> > > >>>>>>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > > > based on

> > > >>> a

> > > >>>>>>> dasa's

> > > >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > > >>>> survived

> > > >>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > > >>>> system

> > > >>>>> fell

> > > >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> > > >> rules to

> > > >>>>> apply

> > > >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > > >>>> though not

> > > >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > > >>>> northern

> > > >>>>>> India

> > > >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> > > >> that

> > > >>>>> play

> > > >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> > > >> describe

> > > >>>> how

> > > >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > > >>>> accurate

> > > >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> > > >> timing

> > > >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> > > >> what

> > > >>>>> gives

> > > >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> > > >> very

> > > >>>>> unique

> > > >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> > > >> approach,

> > > >>>> if I

> > > >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > > >>>> used is

> > > >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > > >>>> subject.

> > > >>>>> The

> > > >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > > >>>> will

> > > >>>>> post

> > > >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> > > >> this

> > > >>>> dasa

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > > >>>> since if

> > > >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> > > >> IS ,

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > > >>>> manner

> > > >>>>> e.g

> > > >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > > >>>> quickly in

> > > >>>>>> few

> > > >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> > > >> gone

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>> self

> > > >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > > >>>> Chronic

> > > >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> > > >> GK-

> > > >>>> Gnati

> > > >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > > >>>> Brown -

> > > >>>>> his

> > > >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> > > >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> > > >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> > > >> any

> > > >>>>> software

> > > >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > > >>>> lagnas. I

> > > >>>>>> know

> > > >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > > >>>> me, it

> > > >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > > >>>> describes

> > > >>>>>> its

> > > >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> > > >> that

> > > >>>> there

> > > >>>>>> are

> > > >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> > > >> simple

> > > >>>> non

> > > >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> > > >> use

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>> dasa

> > > >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > > >>>> given me

> > > >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> > > >> deep

> > > >>>>>> study.

> > > >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> > > >> Moon/Sun

> > > >>>> when

> > > >>>>>> all

> > > >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> > > >> but

> > > >>>> why

> > > >>>>>> Moon

> > > >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > > >>>> exalted in

> > > >>>>> D7

> > > >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > > >>>> agree it

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > > >>>> Nirriti

> > > >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> > > >> the

> > > >>>> cause

> > > >>>>> of

> > > >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> > > >> one of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> > > >> this 3rd

> > > >>>>> child

> > > >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>> effects

> > > >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> > > >> ruling

> > > >>>>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> > > >> take

> > > >>>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > > >>>> each

> > > >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> > > >> time

> > > >>>> comes.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> > > >> little

> > > >>>>> time

> > > >>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>> use it

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > > >>>>> effecting

> > > >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> > > >> child

> > > >>>>> (from

> > > >>>>>>> 5H)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > > >>>> FINE, NO

> > > >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> > > >> spirits !)

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> > > >> of

> > > >>>>> chronic

> > > >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> > > >> diseasegiver

> > > >>>> etc

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> > > >> can

> > > >>>>> happen

> > > >>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>> this period

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> > > >> Karmic

> > > >>>>> issues

> > > >>>>>> of

> > > >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> > > >> situation

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>>> can

> > > >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> > > >> being

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>> 8th

> > > >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> > > >> this

> > > >>>>> chart)

> > > >>>>>> we

> > > >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > > >>>>> diseases

> > > >>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > > >>>> diseases, &

> > > >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > > >>>> hospitals,

> > > >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> > > >> chronic

> > > >>>>>> diseases

> > > >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> > > >> disease, big

> > > >>>>> time

> > > >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Sunil John

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Mumbai

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > > >>>> dasas,

> > > >>>>> it

> > > >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> > > >> some

> > > >>>>>> hints-

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> > > >> and

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > > >>>> seeing

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > > >>>> being

> > > >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> > > >> change

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > > >>>> that

> > > >>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > > >>>> people

> > > >>>>>> who

> > > >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> > > >> vimsottotri is

> > > >>>> not

> > > >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> > > >>>>>>> /--

> > > >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > > >> lagna/5

> > > >>>>> th/9th

> > > >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> > > >> results

> > > >>>> based

> > > >>>>> on

> > > >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> > > >> that in

> > > >>>>> mind,

> > > >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> > > >> with

> > > >>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> > > >> other

> > > >>>> yogini

> > > >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> > > >> consistently.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> > > >> do

> > > >>>> you

> > > >>>>> use

> > > >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

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