Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at birth - chart of child with cystic fibrosis

December 4, 2006

Dear Margaret,

I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

years. I had checked this few years back .From other methods,and I

have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes to

around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a 100

years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

Hope this brings a smile).

Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered purna ayu

(Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till this

age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we have

replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

Costlier cars of today.

Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it will

cancel the SLE

2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in Decanate of

either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected by

Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel the SLE

5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha 10 to

Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon is

aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant without

association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the Lord of

the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a benefic

planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant, then

the SLE gets cancelled.

8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic planets in

the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE gets

cancelled.

10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such Rahu is

aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as Maraksa, but

if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not play the

role of a Maraka.

I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all the

same.

Bhaskar.

, "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Alan

>

> This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart makes a

very good case study, especially as we have the father's data as

well .

>

> I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which might

offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

>

> As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I think as

Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well as

the immune system fluids.

>

> Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an afflicted Moon

in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there would

have to be other factors supporting this, which are already being

pointed out.

> I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more general

sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations found

in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I am

studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors which

signal early demise, then please do share them.

>

> Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are the

lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in karakamsa

which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara, however I

was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of chart.

>

> Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very interesting to

read,

> best wishes

> Margaret

>

> -

> McCrindle Alan

>

> Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at birth -

chart of child with cystic fibrosis

>

> My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the child

is

> born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at birth

> should not only predict illness right there and then but should

also

> indicate the nature of the disease.

>

> The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

>

> 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to be

involved

> 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the lagna

lord

> incrase the affliction

> 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the lagna,

its

> lord or the moon

>

> More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

>

> Lung problems:

>

> The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

natural

> signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars as

they

> see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

(Jupiter =

> expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

Ketu)

> and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

>

> Analysis:

>

> I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees 46

Leo.

>

> Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

>

> Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

>

> The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th with

> infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no protective

> influence of a protective Jupiter.

>

> The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also the

8th

> lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis involves

> expanded excretions in the lungs.

>

> The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the 11th.

This

> is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

>

> The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes). It is

in

> the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn. All

> this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

lungs

> and the dasha lord.

>

> The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

>

> So all the indications for a lung problem that involves expanded

> secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

involved.

>

> What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

problem

> active at birth?

>

> Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

>

> Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun and

6th

> lord saturn

> Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

>

> Yogini: Sat Moon

>

> Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

natural

> significator for lungs (merc)

> AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

>

> In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a day

> birth which offers some protection

>

> This is very good case study that fulfills all the requirements

of

> congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in the

lungs

> with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

>

> Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main cause of

the

> problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> suggestions of why this may be the case.

>

> A secondary question is can you see this in his father's chart?

(8:40

> am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

>

> It looks like you can.

>

> On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running Moon

Venus

> Mercury.

>

> The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th) with

a

> chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

>

> Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD lord

> Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

>

> AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and the

8th

> lord of Chronicity.

>

> All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given that

the

> first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

astrologers

> would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and 8th

> lord venus.

>

> Alan McCrindle

> The Yoga Place

> Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> Balmain, NSW, 2041

> Tel: 9555-7544

> Mobile: 0417-655-601

> http://www.yogaplace.com.au

>

> On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

>

> > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > -

> > aphoton47

> >

> > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > Re: chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> >

> > Margaret

> >

> > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the key

in my

> > current study

> >

> > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

There is

> > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--albeit

> > conjoined with Rahu.

> >

> > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not neccessarily

a

> > short life.

> >

> > Best wishes to the child,

> >

> > --Radha

> >

> > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this after

twelve

> > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga and

a host

> > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms of

maybe

> > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > Still at least I found it!

> > > best wishes M

> > > -

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > >

> > > Dear Margaret,

> > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible for

early

> > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of the

> > Lagna in

> > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari yoga

have

> > had a

> > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Marg wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign to

fire

> > for asc

> > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if anyone

on

> > the list

> > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

which is

> > why I

> > > > posted it.

> > > > I am currently researching charts where children did die

before

> > six

> > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is not a

final

> > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died but

> > survived

> > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

always a

> > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the balarishta

yoga.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > margaret

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > >

> > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he is 7

years

> > of age,

> > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the probable

state

> > of his

> > > > health.

> > > >

> > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides the

Natal

> > chart

> > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn aspects

the

> > same as

> > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna. So

> > father being

> > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very interesting to

> > read, I

> > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

light of

> > what I

> > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

surprised there

> > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science makes

many

> > advances.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

predict

> > his

> > > > > father being such a major figure in the government either?

> > > > >

> > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6, and I

> > would have

> > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in kendra,

though

> > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

benefits

> > surely.

> > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very weak in

> > 12fth and

> > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a good

time

> > so many

> > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > physiotherapy,

> > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it is

not one

> > which

> > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

similar

> > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > margaret

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Sharat

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East of

GMT),

> > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > >

> > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12 H

with

> > Sa and

> > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal tatwa)

> > which may

> > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

secretions)

> > since

> > > > birth.

> > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning from

Venus

> > ( thus

> > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding force

in

> > his life.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharat

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

bhava,

> > let us hope

> > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact that

he

> > has the

> > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the 8th

> > bhava, but

> > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the child

> > recovers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon Brown's

> > second son

> > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

condition of

> > one in

> > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

expectancy

> > is thirty

> > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that gene

> > research will

> > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing Street,

the

> > official

> > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need for

> > additional

> > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > prolongation of

> > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

condition?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > >

December 4, 2006

Dear Margaret,

Well I got one reference to the Full span of Life through the texts,

when I was searching for something else. A coincidence.

Kalyan Varmas Saravali Chapter 40 Shloka 21

- The full span of Life (120 Years and 5 days) will beenjoyed by the

nativewho has Pisces ascendant with its 9th Navamsha, and Mercury in

25 degrees of Taurus,while others are in their deep exaltation points.

Unilimited Longevity- Same Chapter next shloka ie.Shloka 22

Jupiter along with the Moon in Cancer identical with the

ascendant,Mercury with Venus in an angle, (Or seperately in

angles),while the rest are in the 3rd,6th and 11th. One with this

combination will enjoy a limitless life span.

Now both above are a rarity, ones life time may be spent butmay not

find such charts. Yet the referenceis there so we at least know

what is possible when what conditions are present.

Shloka No.22 I am sure would belong to the Siddhas staying in the

Himalayas (For ex.Babaji, the Guru of Lahiri Baba,the Guru of Swami

Yukteshwarji,the Guru of the Modern day Shri Paramhansa Yogananada).

of course we cant meet them to confirm this. And even if we do

confirm, its not going to help us ordinary mortals.We all

have limited life-spans.

I remember when a few years back I came to read the results of Venus

in Karakamsha, it made me very happy, but now no more,even if we live

for so much, if its a quality life then fine, if all our loved ones

are together its fine, otherwise its a dreadful reaching the final

post after all have left and the body is shattered.

Just my simple thoughts.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

> years. I had checked this few years back .From other methods,and I

> have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes to

> around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a 100

> years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

> Hope this brings a smile).

>

> Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered purna

ayu

> (Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till

this

> age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

> taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we have

> replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

> Costlier cars of today.

>

> Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

> 1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it will

> cancel the SLE

> 2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

> malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

> 3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in Decanate of

> either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

> 4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected by

> Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel the SLE

> 5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha 10

to

> Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon is

> aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

> 6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant

without

> association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

> 7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the Lord

of

> the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a benefic

> planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant, then

> the SLE gets cancelled.

> 8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic planets

in

> the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

> 9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE gets

> cancelled.

> 10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such Rahu

is

> aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

> 11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as Maraksa,

but

> if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not play

the

> role of a Maraka.

>

> I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all the

> same.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Alan

> >

> > This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart makes

a

> very good case study, especially as we have the father's data as

> well .

> >

> > I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which

might

> offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

> >

> > As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I think as

> Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

> production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

> secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well as

> the immune system fluids.

> >

> > Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an afflicted

Moon

> in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there

would

> have to be other factors supporting this, which are already being

> pointed out.

> > I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more

general

> sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations

found

> in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

> currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I am

> studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors

which

> signal early demise, then please do share them.

> >

> > Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are the

> lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in karakamsa

> which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara, however I

> was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of

chart.

> >

> > Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very interesting

to

> read,

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

> >

> > -

> > McCrindle Alan

> >

> > Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> > Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

birth -

> chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> >

> > My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the child

> is

> > born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at

birth

> > should not only predict illness right there and then but should

> also

> > indicate the nature of the disease.

> >

> > The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

> >

> > 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> > 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to be

> involved

> > 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the

lagna

> lord

> > incrase the affliction

> > 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the

lagna,

> its

> > lord or the moon

> >

> > More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

> >

> > Lung problems:

> >

> > The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

> natural

> > signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> > involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars as

> they

> > see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> > indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

> (Jupiter =

> > expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

> Ketu)

> > and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

> >

> > Analysis:

> >

> > I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees

46

> Leo.

> >

> > Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> > Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

> >

> > Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

> >

> > The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th with

> > infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no

protective

> > influence of a protective Jupiter.

> >

> > The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> > expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also the

> 8th

> > lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis

involves

> > expanded excretions in the lungs.

> >

> > The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the

11th.

> This

> > is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> > aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

> >

> > The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes). It

is

> in

> > the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn.

All

> > this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

> lungs

> > and the dasha lord.

> >

> > The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

> >

> > So all the indications for a lung problem that involves

expanded

> > secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

> involved.

> >

> > What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

> problem

> > active at birth?

> >

> > Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

> >

> > Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun

and

> 6th

> > lord saturn

> > Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> > PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

> >

> > Yogini: Sat Moon

> >

> > Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

> natural

> > significator for lungs (merc)

> > AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

> >

> > In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a

day

> > birth which offers some protection

> >

> > This is very good case study that fulfills all the requirements

> of

> > congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in the

> lungs

> > with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

> >

> > Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main cause

of

> the

> > problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> > suggestions of why this may be the case.

> >

> > A secondary question is can you see this in his father's chart?

> (8:40

> > am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

> >

> > It looks like you can.

> >

> > On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running Moon

> Venus

> > Mercury.

> >

> > The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th)

with

> a

> > chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

> >

> > Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD lord

> > Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

> >

> > AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and the

> 8th

> > lord of Chronicity.

> >

> > All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given

that

> the

> > first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

> astrologers

> > would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and

8th

> > lord venus.

> >

> > Alan McCrindle

> > The Yoga Place

> > Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> > Balmain, NSW, 2041

> > Tel: 9555-7544

> > Mobile: 0417-655-601

> > http://www.yogaplace.com.au

> >

> > On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > > -

> > > aphoton47

> > >

> > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > >

> > > Margaret

> > >

> > > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the key

> in my

> > > current study

> > >

> > > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

> There is

> > > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--

albeit

> > > conjoined with Rahu.

> > >

> > > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not

neccessarily

> a

> > > short life.

> > >

> > > Best wishes to the child,

> > >

> > > --Radha

> > >

> > > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this

after

> twelve

> > > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga

and

> a host

> > > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms

of

> maybe

> > > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > > Still at least I found it!

> > > > best wishes M

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible

for

> early

> > > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of

the

> > > Lagna in

> > > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari yoga

> have

> > > had a

> > > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign to

> fire

> > > for asc

> > > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if

anyone

> on

> > > the list

> > > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

> which is

> > > why I

> > > > > posted it.

> > > > > I am currently researching charts where children did die

> before

> > > six

> > > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is not

a

> final

> > > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died

but

> > > survived

> > > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

> always a

> > > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the

balarishta

> yoga.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > margaret

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he is

7

> years

> > > of age,

> > > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the probable

> state

> > > of his

> > > > > health.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides the

> Natal

> > > chart

> > > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn

aspects

> the

> > > same as

> > > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna. So

> > > father being

> > > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very interesting

to

> > > read, I

> > > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

> light of

> > > what I

> > > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

> surprised there

> > > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science

makes

> many

> > > advances.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

> predict

> > > his

> > > > > > father being such a major figure in the government

either?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6, and

I

> > > would have

> > > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in kendra,

> though

> > > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

> benefits

> > > surely.

> > > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very weak

in

> > > 12fth and

> > > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a good

> time

> > > so many

> > > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > > physiotherapy,

> > > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it is

> not one

> > > which

> > > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

> similar

> > > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East

of

> GMT),

> > > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12 H

> with

> > > Sa and

> > > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal

tatwa)

> > > which may

> > > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

> secretions)

> > > since

> > > > > birth.

> > > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning from

> Venus

> > > ( thus

> > > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding

force

> in

> > > his life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

> bhava,

> > > let us hope

> > > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact

that

> he

> > > has the

> > > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the

8th

> > > bhava, but

> > > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the

child

> > > recovers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon

Brown's

> > > second son

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

> Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

> condition of

> > > one in

> > > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

> expectancy

> > > is thirty

> > > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that

gene

> > > research will

> > > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing Street,

> the

> > > official

> > > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need for

> > > additional

> > > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > > prolongation of

> > > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

> condition?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > >

December 4, 2006

Dear Bhaskar

Thankyou for the list of exemptions and for taking time to do that.

I have Venus in karakamsa, but as my bank account does not allow for comfort until that grand age, I don't mind bowing out sooner:-)

I have some charts of young children who died at age six and yet had Jupiter exalted in asc, or benefics in kendra etc so I need to look deeper for reasons why.

best wishes

M

-

Bhaskar

Monday, December 04, 2006 10:24 AM

Re: Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at birth - chart of child with cystic fibrosis

Dear Margaret,

I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

years. I had checked this few years back .From other methods,and I

have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes to

around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a 100

years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

Hope this brings a smile).

Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered purna ayu

(Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till this

age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we have

replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

Costlier cars of today.

Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it will

cancel the SLE

2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in Decanate of

either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected by

Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel the SLE

5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha 10 to

Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon is

aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant without

association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the Lord of

the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a benefic

planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant, then

the SLE gets cancelled.

8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic planets in

the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE gets

cancelled.

10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such Rahu is

aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as Maraksa, but

if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not play the

role of a Maraka.

I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all the

same.

Bhaskar.

, "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Alan

>

> This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart makes a

very good case study, especially as we have the father's data as

well .

>

> I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which might

offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

>

> As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I think as

Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well as

the immune system fluids.

>

> Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an afflicted Moon

in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there would

have to be other factors supporting this, which are already being

pointed out.

> I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more general

sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations found

in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I am

studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors which

signal early demise, then please do share them.

>

> Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are the

lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in karakamsa

which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara, however I

was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of chart.

>

> Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very interesting to

read,

> best wishes

> Margaret

>

> -

> McCrindle Alan

>

> Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at birth -

chart of child with cystic fibrosis

>

> My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the child

is

> born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at birth

> should not only predict illness right there and then but should

also

> indicate the nature of the disease.

>

> The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

>

> 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to be

involved

> 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the lagna

lord

> incrase the affliction

> 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the lagna,

its

> lord or the moon

>

> More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

>

> Lung problems:

>

> The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

natural

> signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars as

they

> see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

(Jupiter =

> expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

Ketu)

> and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

>

> Analysis:

>

> I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees 46

Leo.

>

> Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

>

> Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

>

> The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th with

> infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no protective

> influence of a protective Jupiter.

>

> The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also the

8th

> lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis involves

> expanded excretions in the lungs.

>

> The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the 11th.

This

> is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

>

> The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes). It is

in

> the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn. All

> this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

lungs

> and the dasha lord.

>

> The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

>

> So all the indications for a lung problem that involves expanded

> secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

involved.

>

> What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

problem

> active at birth?

>

> Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

>

> Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun and

6th

> lord saturn

> Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

>

> Yogini: Sat Moon

>

> Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

natural

> significator for lungs (merc)

> AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

>

> In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a day

> birth which offers some protection

>

> This is very good case study that fulfills all the requirements

of

> congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in the

lungs

> with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

>

> Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main cause of

the

> problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> suggestions of why this may be the case.

>

> A secondary question is can you see this in his father's chart?

(8:40

> am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

>

> It looks like you can.

>

> On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running Moon

Venus

> Mercury.

>

> The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th) with

a

> chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

>

> Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD lord

> Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

>

> AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and the

8th

> lord of Chronicity.

>

> All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given that

the

> first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

astrologers

> would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and 8th

> lord venus.

>

> Alan McCrindle

> The Yoga Place

> Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> Balmain, NSW, 2041

> Tel: 9555-7544

> Mobile: 0417-655-601

> http://www.yogaplace.com.au

>

> On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

>

> > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > -

> > aphoton47

> >

> > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > Re: chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> >

> > Margaret

> >

> > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the key

in my

> > current study

> >

> > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

There is

> > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--albeit

> > conjoined with Rahu.

> >

> > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not neccessarily

a

> > short life.

> >

> > Best wishes to the child,

> >

> > --Radha

> >

> > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this after

twelve

> > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga and

a host

> > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms of

maybe

> > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > Still at least I found it!

> > > best wishes M

> > > -

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > >

> > > Dear Margaret,

> > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible for

early

> > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of the

> > Lagna in

> > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari yoga

have

> > had a

> > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Marg wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign to

fire

> > for asc

> > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if anyone

on

> > the list

> > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

which is

> > why I

> > > > posted it.

> > > > I am currently researching charts where children did die

before

> > six

> > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is not a

final

> > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died but

> > survived

> > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

always a

> > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the balarishta

yoga.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > margaret

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > >

> > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he is 7

years

> > of age,

> > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the probable

state

> > of his

> > > > health.

> > > >

> > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides the

Natal

> > chart

> > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn aspects

the

> > same as

> > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna. So

> > father being

> > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very interesting to

> > read, I

> > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

light of

> > what I

> > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

surprised there

> > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science makes

many

> > advances.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

predict

> > his

> > > > > father being such a major figure in the government either?

> > > > >

> > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6, and I

> > would have

> > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in kendra,

though

> > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

benefits

> > surely.

> > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very weak in

> > 12fth and

> > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a good

time

> > so many

> > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > physiotherapy,

> > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it is

not one

> > which

> > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

similar

> > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > margaret

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Sharat

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East of

GMT),

> > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > >

> > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12 H

with

> > Sa and

> > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal tatwa)

> > which may

> > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

secretions)

> > since

> > > > birth.

> > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning from

Venus

> > ( thus

> > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding force

in

> > his life.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharat

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

bhava,

> > let us hope

> > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact that

he

> > has the

> > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the 8th

> > bhava, but

> > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the child

> > recovers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon Brown's

> > second son

> > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

condition of

> > one in

> > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

expectancy

> > is thirty

> > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that gene

> > research will

> > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing Street,

the

> > official

> > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need for

> > additional

> > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > prolongation of

> > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

condition?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > >

December 4, 2006

Dear Bhaskar

Interestingly one of the charts I have has Jupiter in kendra, but with ketu in Cancer, in trine to the Moon in ninth, but the life expired at age five.

Conversely another chart has Ketu with Jupiter in Cancer lagna, but with a Venus Mercury conjunction, along with Sun and Moon in sixth house and this child survived an awesome life threatening event.

Saturn aspects Jupiter ketu in first in this chart however.

best wishes

M

-

Bhaskar

Monday, December 04, 2006 11:23 AM

Re: Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at birth - chart of child with cystic fibrosis

Dear Margaret,

Well I got one reference to the Full span of Life through the texts,

when I was searching for something else. A coincidence.

Kalyan Varmas Saravali Chapter 40 Shloka 21

- The full span of Life (120 Years and 5 days) will beenjoyed by the

nativewho has Pisces ascendant with its 9th Navamsha, and Mercury in

25 degrees of Taurus,while others are in their deep exaltation points.

Unilimited Longevity- Same Chapter next shloka ie.Shloka 22

Jupiter along with the Moon in Cancer identical with the

ascendant,Mercury with Venus in an angle, (Or seperately in

angles),while the rest are in the 3rd,6th and 11th. One with this

combination will enjoy a limitless life span.

Now both above are a rarity, ones life time may be spent butmay not

find such charts. Yet the referenceis there so we at least know

what is possible when what conditions are present.

Shloka No.22 I am sure would belong to the Siddhas staying in the

Himalayas (For ex.Babaji, the Guru of Lahiri Baba,the Guru of Swami

Yukteshwarji,the Guru of the Modern day Shri Paramhansa Yogananada).

of course we cant meet them to confirm this. And even if we do

confirm, its not going to help us ordinary mortals.We all

have limited life-spans.

I remember when a few years back I came to read the results of Venus

in Karakamsha, it made me very happy, but now no more,even if we live

for so much, if its a quality life then fine, if all our loved ones

are together its fine, otherwise its a dreadful reaching the final

post after all have left and the body is shattered.

Just my simple thoughts.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

> years. I had checked this few years back .From other methods,and I

> have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes to

> around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a 100

> years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

> Hope this brings a smile).

>

> Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered purna

ayu

> (Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till

this

> age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

> taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we have

> replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

> Costlier cars of today.

>

> Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

> 1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it will

> cancel the SLE

> 2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

> malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

> 3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in Decanate of

> either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

> 4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected by

> Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel the SLE

> 5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha 10

to

> Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon is

> aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

> 6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant

without

> association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

> 7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the Lord

of

> the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a benefic

> planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant, then

> the SLE gets cancelled.

> 8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic planets

in

> the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

> 9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE gets

> cancelled.

> 10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such Rahu

is

> aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

> 11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as Maraksa,

but

> if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not play

the

> role of a Maraka.

>

> I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all the

> same.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Alan

> >

> > This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart makes

a

> very good case study, especially as we have the father's data as

> well .

> >

> > I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which

might

> offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

> >

> > As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I think as

> Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

> production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

> secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well as

> the immune system fluids.

> >

> > Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an afflicted

Moon

> in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there

would

> have to be other factors supporting this, which are already being

> pointed out.

> > I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more

general

> sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations

found

> in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

> currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I am

> studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors

which

> signal early demise, then please do share them.

> >

> > Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are the

> lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in karakamsa

> which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara, however I

> was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of

chart.

> >

> > Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very interesting

to

> read,

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

> >

> > -

> > McCrindle Alan

> >

> > Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> > Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

birth -

> chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> >

> > My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the child

> is

> > born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at

birth

> > should not only predict illness right there and then but should

> also

> > indicate the nature of the disease.

> >

> > The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

> >

> > 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> > 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to be

> involved

> > 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the

lagna

> lord

> > incrase the affliction

> > 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the

lagna,

> its

> > lord or the moon

> >

> > More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

> >

> > Lung problems:

> >

> > The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

> natural

> > signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> > involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars as

> they

> > see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> > indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

> (Jupiter =

> > expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

> Ketu)

> > and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

> >

> > Analysis:

> >

> > I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees

46

> Leo.

> >

> > Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> > Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

> >

> > Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

> >

> > The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th with

> > infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no

protective

> > influence of a protective Jupiter.

> >

> > The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> > expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also the

> 8th

> > lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis

involves

> > expanded excretions in the lungs.

> >

> > The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the

11th.

> This

> > is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> > aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

> >

> > The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes). It

is

> in

> > the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn.

All

> > this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

> lungs

> > and the dasha lord.

> >

> > The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

> >

> > So all the indications for a lung problem that involves

expanded

> > secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

> involved.

> >

> > What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

> problem

> > active at birth?

> >

> > Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

> >

> > Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun

and

> 6th

> > lord saturn

> > Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> > PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

> >

> > Yogini: Sat Moon

> >

> > Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

> natural

> > significator for lungs (merc)

> > AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

> >

> > In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a

day

> > birth which offers some protection

> >

> > This is very good case study that fulfills all the requirements

> of

> > congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in the

> lungs

> > with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

> >

> > Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main cause

of

> the

> > problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> > suggestions of why this may be the case.

> >

> > A secondary question is can you see this in his father's chart?

> (8:40

> > am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

> >

> > It looks like you can.

> >

> > On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running Moon

> Venus

> > Mercury.

> >

> > The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th)

with

> a

> > chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

> >

> > Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD lord

> > Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

> >

> > AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and the

> 8th

> > lord of Chronicity.

> >

> > All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given

that

> the

> > first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

> astrologers

> > would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and

8th

> > lord venus.

> >

> > Alan McCrindle

> > The Yoga Place

> > Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> > Balmain, NSW, 2041

> > Tel: 9555-7544

> > Mobile: 0417-655-601

> > http://www.yogaplace.com.au

> >

> > On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > > -

> > > aphoton47

> > >

> > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > >

> > > Margaret

> > >

> > > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the key

> in my

> > > current study

> > >

> > > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

> There is

> > > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--

albeit

> > > conjoined with Rahu.

> > >

> > > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not

neccessarily

> a

> > > short life.

> > >

> > > Best wishes to the child,

> > >

> > > --Radha

> > >

> > > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this

after

> twelve

> > > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga

and

> a host

> > > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms

of

> maybe

> > > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > > Still at least I found it!

> > > > best wishes M

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible

for

> early

> > > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of

the

> > > Lagna in

> > > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari yoga

> have

> > > had a

> > > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign to

> fire

> > > for asc

> > > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if

anyone

> on

> > > the list

> > > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

> which is

> > > why I

> > > > > posted it.

> > > > > I am currently researching charts where children did die

> before

> > > six

> > > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is not

a

> final

> > > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died

but

> > > survived

> > > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

> always a

> > > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the

balarishta

> yoga.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > margaret

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he is

7

> years

> > > of age,

> > > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the probable

> state

> > > of his

> > > > > health.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides the

> Natal

> > > chart

> > > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn

aspects

> the

> > > same as

> > > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna. So

> > > father being

> > > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very interesting

to

> > > read, I

> > > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

> light of

> > > what I

> > > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

> surprised there

> > > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science

makes

> many

> > > advances.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

> predict

> > > his

> > > > > > father being such a major figure in the government

either?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6, and

I

> > > would have

> > > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in kendra,

> though

> > > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

> benefits

> > > surely.

> > > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very weak

in

> > > 12fth and

> > > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a good

> time

> > > so many

> > > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > > physiotherapy,

> > > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it is

> not one

> > > which

> > > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

> similar

> > > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East

of

> GMT),

> > > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12 H

> with

> > > Sa and

> > > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal

tatwa)

> > > which may

> > > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

> secretions)

> > > since

> > > > > birth.

> > > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning from

> Venus

> > > ( thus

> > > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding

force

> in

> > > his life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

> bhava,

> > > let us hope

> > > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact

that

> he

> > > has the

> > > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the

8th

> > > bhava, but

> > > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the

child

> > > recovers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon

Brown's

> > > second son

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

> Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

> condition of

> > > one in

> > > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

> expectancy

> > > is thirty

> > > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that

gene

> > > research will

> > > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing Street,

> the

> > > official

> > > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need for

> > > additional

> > > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > > prolongation of

> > > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

> condition?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > >

December 4, 2006

Dear Margaret,

If You please check the same charts with Bhava Positions,

and notice if the planets have shifted to other Bhavas,

maybe they will show another story. Also

check the Constellation Lords of all these planets.

I did not mention this, becuse many people cannot digest this, but

actually the Bhava positions (Spashta Bhava Chalita and the

Nakshatra owners play an important role in these).

There is a superb book published in 1983 "Stellar Astrology"

whcih has nothing to do with KP but only with Nadi atrology, which

will give You all pointers which actually make or break a chart to

success or disintegration. Its publsihed by Ranjan Publications,

Delhi, and when I purchased it in 1983 it was priced only at Rs.25-

That is real astrology. Just by jupiter being in Kendra without other

factors corraborating cannot save a child. This is what I believe.

In my last mail, I mentioned the Cancellation Yogas for the

Balarishta Yoga as mentioned in the classics.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar

>

> Interestingly one of the charts I have has Jupiter in kendra, but

with ketu in Cancer, in trine to the Moon in ninth, but the life

expired at age five.

> Conversely another chart has Ketu with Jupiter in Cancer lagna, but

with a Venus Mercury conjunction, along with Sun and Moon in sixth

house and this child survived an awesome life threatening event.

> Saturn aspects Jupiter ketu in first in this chart however.

> best wishes

> M

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Monday, December 04, 2006 11:23 AM

> Re: Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

birth - chart of child with cystic fibrosis

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> Well I got one reference to the Full span of Life through the

texts,

> when I was searching for something else. A coincidence.

>

> Kalyan Varmas Saravali Chapter 40 Shloka 21

> - The full span of Life (120 Years and 5 days) will beenjoyed by

the

> nativewho has Pisces ascendant with its 9th Navamsha, and Mercury

in

> 25 degrees of Taurus,while others are in their deep exaltation

points.

>

> Unilimited Longevity- Same Chapter next shloka ie.Shloka 22

>

> Jupiter along with the Moon in Cancer identical with the

> ascendant,Mercury with Venus in an angle, (Or seperately in

> angles),while the rest are in the 3rd,6th and 11th. One with this

> combination will enjoy a limitless life span.

>

> Now both above are a rarity, ones life time may be spent butmay

not

> find such charts. Yet the referenceis there so we at least know

> what is possible when what conditions are present.

>

> Shloka No.22 I am sure would belong to the Siddhas staying in the

> Himalayas (For ex.Babaji, the Guru of Lahiri Baba,the Guru of

Swami

> Yukteshwarji,the Guru of the Modern day Shri Paramhansa

Yogananada).

> of course we cant meet them to confirm this. And even if we do

> confirm, its not going to help us ordinary mortals.We all

> have limited life-spans.

>

> I remember when a few years back I came to read the results of

Venus

> in Karakamsha, it made me very happy, but now no more,even if we

live

> for so much, if its a quality life then fine, if all our loved

ones

> are together its fine, otherwise its a dreadful reaching the

final

> post after all have left and the body is shattered.

>

> Just my simple thoughts.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Margaret,

> >

> > I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

> > years. I had checked this few years back .From other

methods,and I

> > have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes

to

> > around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a

100

> > years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

> > Hope this brings a smile).

> >

> > Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered

purna

> ayu

> > (Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till

> this

> > age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

> > taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we

have

> > replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

> > Costlier cars of today.

> >

> > Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

> > 1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it

will

> > cancel the SLE

> > 2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

> > malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

> > 3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in

Decanate of

> > either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

> > 4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected

by

> > Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel

the SLE

> > 5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha

10

> to

> > Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon

is

> > aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

> > 6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant

> without

> > association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

> > 7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the

Lord

> of

> > the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a

benefic

> > planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant,

then

> > the SLE gets cancelled.

> > 8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic

planets

> in

> > the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

> > 9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE

gets

> > cancelled.

> > 10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such

Rahu

> is

> > aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

> > 11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as

Maraksa,

> but

> > if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not

play

> the

> > role of a Maraka.

> >

> > I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all

the

> > same.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Alan

> > >

> > > This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart

makes

> a

> > very good case study, especially as we have the father's data

as

> > well .

> > >

> > > I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which

> might

> > offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

> > >

> > > As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I

think as

> > Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

> > production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

> > secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well

as

> > the immune system fluids.

> > >

> > > Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an

afflicted

> Moon

> > in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there

> would

> > have to be other factors supporting this, which are already

being

> > pointed out.

> > > I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more

> general

> > sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations

> found

> > in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

> > currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I

am

> > studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors

> which

> > signal early demise, then please do share them.

> > >

> > > Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are

the

> > lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in

karakamsa

> > which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara,

however I

> > was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of

> chart.

> > >

> > > Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very

interesting

> to

> > read,

> > > best wishes

> > > Margaret

> > >

> > > -

> > > McCrindle Alan

> > >

> > > Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> > > Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

> birth -

> > chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> > >

> > > My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the

child

> > is

> > > born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at

> birth

> > > should not only predict illness right there and then but

should

> > also

> > > indicate the nature of the disease.

> > >

> > > The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

> > >

> > > 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> > > 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to

be

> > involved

> > > 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the

> lagna

> > lord

> > > incrase the affliction

> > > 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the

> lagna,

> > its

> > > lord or the moon

> > >

> > > More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

> > >

> > > Lung problems:

> > >

> > > The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

> > natural

> > > signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> > > involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars

as

> > they

> > > see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> > > indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

> > (Jupiter =

> > > expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

> > Ketu)

> > > and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

> > >

> > > Analysis:

> > >

> > > I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees

> 46

> > Leo.

> > >

> > > Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> > > Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

> > >

> > > Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

> > >

> > > The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th

with

> > > infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no

> protective

> > > influence of a protective Jupiter.

> > >

> > > The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> > > expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also

the

> > 8th

> > > lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis

> involves

> > > expanded excretions in the lungs.

> > >

> > > The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the

> 11th.

> > This

> > > is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> > > aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

> > >

> > > The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes).

It

> is

> > in

> > > the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn.

> All

> > > this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

> > lungs

> > > and the dasha lord.

> > >

> > > The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

> > >

> > > So all the indications for a lung problem that involves

> expanded

> > > secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

> > involved.

> > >

> > > What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

> > problem

> > > active at birth?

> > >

> > > Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

> > >

> > > Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun

> and

> > 6th

> > > lord saturn

> > > Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> > > PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

> > >

> > > Yogini: Sat Moon

> > >

> > > Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

> > natural

> > > significator for lungs (merc)

> > > AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

> > >

> > > In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a

> day

> > > birth which offers some protection

> > >

> > > This is very good case study that fulfills all the

requirements

> > of

> > > congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in

the

> > lungs

> > > with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

> > >

> > > Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main

cause

> of

> > the

> > > problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> > > suggestions of why this may be the case.

> > >

> > > A secondary question is can you see this in his father's

chart?

> > (8:40

> > > am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

> > >

> > > It looks like you can.

> > >

> > > On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running

Moon

> > Venus

> > > Mercury.

> > >

> > > The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th)

> with

> > a

> > > chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

> > >

> > > Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD

lord

> > > Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

> > >

> > > AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and

the

> > 8th

> > > lord of Chronicity.

> > >

> > > All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given

> that

> > the

> > > first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

> > astrologers

> > > would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and

> 8th

> > > lord venus.

> > >

> > > Alan McCrindle

> > > The Yoga Place

> > > Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> > > Balmain, NSW, 2041

> > > Tel: 9555-7544

> > > Mobile: 0417-655-601

> > > http://www.yogaplace.com.au

> > >

> > > On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > > > -

> > > > aphoton47

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Margaret

> > > >

> > > > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the

key

> > in my

> > > > current study

> > > >

> > > > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

> > There is

> > > > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--

> albeit

> > > > conjoined with Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not

> neccessarily

> > a

> > > > short life.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes to the child,

> > > >

> > > > --Radha

> > > >

> > > > , "Marg" <margie9@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this

> after

> > twelve

> > > > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > > > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga

> and

> > a host

> > > > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms

> of

> > maybe

> > > > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > > > Still at least I found it!

> > > > > best wishes M

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> > fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible

> for

> > early

> > > > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of

> the

> > > > Lagna in

> > > > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari

yoga

> > have

> > > > had a

> > > > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > > > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign

to

> > fire

> > > > for asc

> > > > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if

> anyone

> > on

> > > > the list

> > > > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

> > which is

> > > > why I

> > > > > > posted it.

> > > > > > I am currently researching charts where children did

die

> > before

> > > > six

> > > > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is

not

> a

> > final

> > > > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died

> but

> > > > survived

> > > > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

> > always a

> > > > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the

> balarishta

> > yoga.

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> > fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he

is

> 7

> > years

> > > > of age,

> > > > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the

probable

> > state

> > > > of his

> > > > > > health.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides

the

> > Natal

> > > > chart

> > > > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn

> aspects

> > the

> > > > same as

> > > > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna.

So

> > > > father being

> > > > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very

interesting

> to

> > > > read, I

> > > > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

> > light of

> > > > what I

> > > > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

> > surprised there

> > > > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science

> makes

> > many

> > > > advances.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

> > predict

> > > > his

> > > > > > > father being such a major figure in the government

> either?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6,

and

> I

> > > > would have

> > > > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in

kendra,

> > though

> > > > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

> > benefits

> > > > surely.

> > > > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very

weak

> in

> > > > 12fth and

> > > > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a

good

> > time

> > > > so many

> > > > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > > > physiotherapy,

> > > > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it

is

> > not one

> > > > which

> > > > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

> > similar

> > > > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > > > Re: chart of child with

cystic

> > fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East

> of

> > GMT),

> > > > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12

H

> > with

> > > > Sa and

> > > > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal

> tatwa)

> > > > which may

> > > > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

> > secretions)

> > > > since

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning

from

> > Venus

> > > > ( thus

> > > > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding

> force

> > in

> > > > his life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > > > Re: chart of child with

cystic

> > fibrosis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

> > bhava,

> > > > let us hope

> > > > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact

> that

> > he

> > > > has the

> > > > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the

> 8th

> > > > bhava, but

> > > > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the

> child

> > > > recovers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon

> Brown's

> > > > second son

> > > > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

> > Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

> > condition of

> > > > one in

> > > > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

> > expectancy

> > > > is thirty

> > > > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that

> gene

> > > > research will

> > > > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing

Street,

> > the

> > > > official

> > > > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need

for

> > > > additional

> > > > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > > > prolongation of

> > > > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

> > condition?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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December 4, 2006

Dear Margaret,

I had posted one reply to a native who had been given only 48 hours

for his new born nephew to live,and was in critical condition in

Apollo Hospital in Madras (Chennai).This man was tensed (naturally)

and was seeking succour from astrologers, and everyone replied

to him in the negative before me, as per the grave Balarishta Yoga

present in his horoscope, except me, and he did reply after a months

time that the child was saved,to live. You may check in the Forum

Jyotish Remedies, where I am no longer a member,but if you wish you

can go through my technical explanation as per Nakshatra astrology

why I did so.I want to say that we cannot take all rules mentioned in

the texts as hearsay as who knows what was the position of the stars

at that time, Sayan or Nirayana, whether ayamnasmha existed that time

or not, and whether today we are taking proper settings in the

software or not. Even the chart you have prepared in your software

may be questionable. please dont mistake me, I am just saying that

there are many factors for us to assess before we prove the texts

wrong or it may be our inability to put all or see all the conditions,

of the Balarishta Yoga or cancellation Yogas to confirm.

The identification of this Balarishta Yoga (Short life) is in

itself a difficult excersise and its interpretation is more difficult.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar

>

> Thankyou for the list of exemptions and for taking time to do that.

> I have Venus in karakamsa, but as my bank account does not allow

for comfort until that grand age, I don't mind bowing out sooner:-)

>

> I have some charts of young children who died at age six and yet

had Jupiter exalted in asc, or benefics in kendra etc so I need to

look deeper for reasons why.

> best wishes

> M

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Monday, December 04, 2006 10:24 AM

> Re: Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

birth - chart of child with cystic fibrosis

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> I have Venus in Karakamsha, but doubt that it would give me 100

> years. I had checked this few years back .From other methods,and

I

> have used at least more than 4 methods,in my case, it all comes

to

> around 64 years time given to me. Rest God knows.(If I live a 100

> years I will notify You, but You should be there that time-

> Hope this brings a smile).

>

> Maybe in Parasharas times 100 years was normally considered purna

ayu

> (Or was it 120 ?). Well we do see people living today also till

this

> age but not many. I think practically between 70-85 may be

> taken as the alternate figures for todays times, just as we have

> replaced the Royal Horse driven carriages of those times by The

> Costlier cars of today.

>

> Factors for respite from short life expectancy (SLE)-

> 1) If strong Jupiter (own or exalted) occupies Quadrants it will

> cancel the SLE

> 2) If strong lord of Asc.occupies Quadrant without aspects of

> malefics and receiveing aspects of benefics, it will cancel SLE

> 3) If Moon is placed in 8th house from Lagna, but if in Decanate

of

> either Mercury,Jupiter or Venus, it will cancel the SLE

> 4) If Moon at birth occupies signof Benefic planet,is aspected by

> Benefics,or is sandwiched between 2 benefics, it will cancel the

SLE

> 5) If Moon at birth is of Poornakala (ie.between Shukla Paksha 10

to

> Krishna Paksha 5) and is placed in Quadrant, and if such Moon is

> aspected by Jupiter, then the SLE is cancelled.

> 6) If a strong Mercury,Jupiter,or Venus occupies any Quadrant

without

> association of Malefic, then the SLE would get cancelled.

> 7) If the Moon occupies the Navamsha of a Benefic,and if the Lord

of

> the sign occupied by the Moon at birth is in the sign of a

benefic

> planetin the birth chart and if such Lord ocupies a Quadrant,

then

> the SLE gets cancelled.

> 8) If all the malefics are placed in the signs of benefic planets

in

> the birthchart,the SLE gets cancelled.

> 9) If all the planets are placed in Shirsodaya signs, the SLE

gets

> cancelled.

> 10) If Rahu occupies 3,6, or 11th from the Lagna, and if such

Rahu is

> aspected by benefics, then SLE gets cancelled.

> 11) The Planets tenating 2 and 7 are also considered as Maraksa,

but

> if the lord of 2 and 7 is the same planet, then it will not play

the

> role of a Maraka.

>

> I am not sure if the above would be of any assistance, but all

the

> same.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Alan

> >

> > This is quite a thorough analysis and as you say the chart

makes a

> very good case study, especially as we have the father's data as

> well .

> >

> > I posted the data to see if anyone knew of any factors which

might

> offer hope of respite from the short life expectancy.

> >

> > As for the Moon Rahu connection this would play a part I think

as

> Moon rules fluids and cystic fibrosis is related to the over

> production of mucus in the lungs and due to this also affects

> secretions of the heart and other major internal organs as well

as

> the immune system fluids.

> >

> > Parasara tells us that short life is indicated by an afflicted

Moon

> in 8th, which is what is happening in this chart, though there

would

> have to be other factors supporting this, which are already being

> pointed out.

> > I think the the Moon Rahu connection was raised in a more

general

> sense by myself and Chandrshekar in relation to significations

found

> in charts of children who died quite young, a factor which is

> currently verified in a quota of charts of early death which I am

> studying at the moment, though if you know of any other factors

which

> signal early demise, then please do share them.

> >

> > Two longevity factors (as opposed to short life) I found are

the

> lord 12 in 8 which gives medium span, and then Venus in karakamsa

> which gives longevity of 100 years according to Parsara, however

I

> was interested to learn of jyotishes experience of this type of

chart.

> >

> > Thank you for a very detailed exposition it was very

interesting to

> read,

> > best wishes

> > Margaret

> >

> > -

> > McCrindle Alan

> >

> > Monday, December 04, 2006 2:13 AM

> > Diagnosis of Cogenital Disease at

birth -

> chart of child with cystic fibrosis

> >

> > My understanding of a congenital birth defect is that the child

> is

> > born with the problem and that a malefic dasha sequence at

birth

> > should not only predict illness right there and then but should

> also

> > indicate the nature of the disease.

> >

> > The definition of a malefic dasha sequence is as follows

> >

> > 1. It involves the 6th, 8th and 12 houses and/or lords

> > 2. Lagna and or lagna lord - representing the body - need to be

> involved

> > 3. Affliction to the lagna or its lord and weakness of the

lagna

> lord

> > incrase the affliction

> > 4. There should be no aspect from a strong Jupiter on the

lagna,

> its

> > lord or the moon

> >

> > More than one dasha should be used to confirm the problem.

> >

> > Lung problems:

> >

> > The Lung is indicated by the third house, third lord and the

> natural

> > signifcator of the 3rd house mercury. Rahu and Ketu are often

> > involved. Some people also look for an an affliction to Mars as

> they

> > see it as the naural significator for brothers, a third house

> > indication. Cystic Fibrosis involves increased secretions

> (Jupiter =

> > expansion/increase) followed by inflammation (sun, mars, sat,

> Ketu)

> > and finally hardening of the tissue (saturn)

> >

> > Analysis:

> >

> > I have used 8 am birth time which gives a lagna of 10 degrees

46

> Leo.

> >

> > Vimshottari dasha (365 days, lahiri) is Mercury Rahu Jupiter

> > Yogi dasha gives Saturn Moon

> >

> > Is there indication of a lung problem in the chart?

> >

> > The Natural significator of Lungs, Mercury, is in the 12th with

> > infant lagna lord Sun and 6th lord saturn. There is no

protective

> > influence of a protective Jupiter.

> >

> > The third house of lungs is occupied by Jupiter suggesting an

> > expansion in this area. Unfortunately this Jupiter is also the

> 8th

> > lord suggesting chronicity. As mentioned cystic fibrosis

involves

> > expanded excretions in the lungs.

> >

> > The third lord venus is in Mercuries house (gemini) in the

11th.

> This

> > is a secondary house of illness being 6th from the 6th. It is

> > aspected by Jupiter the 8th lord.

> >

> > The lagna lord is weak in infantcy ( 0 degrees 40 minutes). It

is

> in

> > the 12th house and it is associated with the 6th lord Saturn.

All

> > this is tied up with Mercury the natural significator of the

> lungs

> > and the dasha lord.

> >

> > The Lagna is occupied by Natural malefic mars (inflammation).

> >

> > So all the indications for a lung problem that involves

expanded

> > secretions, inflammation and final hardening and scarring are

> involved.

> >

> > What about the dasha sequences - do they indicate this lung

> problem

> > active at birth?

> >

> > Vimshottari: Merc Rahu Jup

> >

> > Dasha lord mercury (2,11L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant Lord Sun

and

> 6th

> > lord saturn

> > Antar dasha lord Rahu in 8th

> > PD lord Jupiter (8) in the 3ed house of lungs

> >

> > Yogini: Sat Moon

> >

> > Dasha Lord Saturn (6L) in 12 conjunct Ascendant lord Sun and

> natural

> > significator for lungs (merc)

> > AD lord Moon; (12L) in the 8th conjunct Rahu

> >

> > In addition there is Balarishta with Moon in 8th but it is a

day

> > birth which offers some protection

> >

> > This is very good case study that fulfills all the requirements

> of

> > congenital birth defect with confirmation of the problem in the

> lungs

> > with diagnostic indications of "cystic fibrosis".

> >

> > Given this analysis, I am not sure I agree that the main cause

of

> the

> > problem is the Moon Rahu combination in the 8th. I am open to

> > suggestions of why this may be the case.

> >

> > A secondary question is can you see this in his father's chart?

> (8:40

> > am 20/2/1951, Glasgow, lahiri, 365 days)

> >

> > It looks like you can.

> >

> > On the 17th July 2006 - the birth day - Gordon was running Moon

> Venus

> > Mercury.

> >

> > The dasha sequence needs to show the birth of a child (5th)

with

> a

> > chronic (8th) lung problem (3rd/Merc)

> >

> > Dasha lord Moon is 5th lord in the 5th aspected by the PD lord

> > Mercury (Lungs) in the 11th.

> >

> > AD lord Venus in the 1st is also the 3rd lord of Lungs and the

> 8th

> > lord of Chronicity.

> >

> > All conditions fulfilled. OK it is retrospective, but given

that

> the

> > first child died at birth, it is fair to argue that many

> astrologers

> > would have been concerned with the involvement of the 3rd and

8th

> > lord venus.

> >

> > Alan McCrindle

> > The Yoga Place

> > Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> > Balmain, NSW, 2041

> > Tel: 9555-7544

> > Mobile: 0417-655-601

> > http://www.yogaplace.com.au

> >

> > On 04/12/2006, at 6:51 AM, Marg wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks for pointing this out Radhe.

> > > -

> > > aphoton47

> > >

> > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:15 AM

> > > Re: chart of child with cystic

fibrosis

> > >

> > > Margaret

> > >

> > > >It is Moon and its relationship with Rahu that holds the key

> in my

> > > current study

> > >

> > > Yes, but the Moon is a Krishna Paksha Moon for a day birth.

> There is

> > > some protection there. In namvamsa Moon is with Jupiter--

albeit

> > > conjoined with Rahu.

> > >

> > > Balarishta in modern times indicates illnesses not

neccessarily

> a

> > > short life.

> > >

> > > Best wishes to the child,

> > >

> > > --Radha

> > >

> > > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar

> > > > , so I am pleased you flagged this , I discovered this

after

> twelve

> > > hours of study of all other factors generally held to be

> > > debilitating----balristhta yogas, gadanta, PAM mrityubhaga

and

> a host

> > > of other time consuming factors now relegated to the realms

of

> maybe

> > > but not in this lifetime!!

> > > > Still at least I found it!

> > > > best wishes M

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:05 PM

> > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > You are right it is not only Gandanta that is responsible

for

> early

> > > > death. Moon in 8th bhava and afflicted with Rahu, Lord of

the

> > > Lagna in

> > > > 12th with the 6th lord and Lagna itself in Papakartari yoga

> have

> > > had a

> > > > cumulative effect as the dasha at birth was also

> > > Mer-Mar-Ven-Rah-Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar

> > > > > Yes I think you are right, the move from a water sign to

> fire

> > > for asc

> > > > > lord is pretty ominous, however I wanted to know if

anyone

> on

> > > the list

> > > > > had seen chards where this had not been too detrimental

> which is

> > > why I

> > > > > posted it.

> > > > > I am currently researching charts where children did die

> before

> > > six

> > > > > years old but not many of them had gadanta, so it is not

a

> final

> > > > > factor I think, also some children who might have died

but

> > > survived

> > > > > this bad event did have gadanta, so again this is not

> always a

> > > > > reliable indication to longevity neither is the

balarishta

> yoga.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > margaret

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a birth that is in Lagna Gandanta. So till he is

7

> years

> > > of age,

> > > > > it might be wise not to comment too much on the probable

> state

> > > of his

> > > > > health.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord of 9th Mars is pretty strong in Navamsha besides the

> Natal

> > > chart

> > > > > and the 10th from 9th is aspected by Sun and Saturn

aspects

> the

> > > same as

> > > > > rasi lord. Lord of 9th of the father aspects the Lagna. So

> > > father being

> > > > > pretty powerful can be surmised, I would say.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sharat, Chandrashekhar and Rampriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for all responses they were very interesting

to

> > > read, I

> > > > > > haven't yet had time to study this in full, though in

> light of

> > > what I

> > > > > > said about Gordon Brown's chart earlier I am not

> surprised there

> > > > > > should be these afflictions, though clearly science

makes

> many

> > > advances.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can't see from these planets positions how we would

> predict

> > > his

> > > > > > father being such a major figure in the government

either?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The lagna is 10 46 leo with Lahiri and calc by PL6, and

I

> > > would have

> > > > > > held out more hope had there been a benefic in kendra,

> though

> > > > > > obviously Mars in lagna as ninth lord must bring some

> benefits

> > > surely.

> > > > > > The Sun is very afflicted by Saturn and Mer, very weak

in

> > > 12fth and

> > > > > > moving from water to fire sign also which is not a good

> time

> > > so many

> > > > > > stays in hospital are omened I think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apparently with cystic fibrosis children need a lot of

> > > physiotherapy,

> > > > > > I don't know much about the disease, but clearly it is

> not one

> > > which

> > > > > > is easily thrown off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any other comments about this chart or of those with

> similar

> > > > > > conditions most welcome

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > margaret

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:20 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > For James Brown, TOB 17/08/2006 0800 HRS( 1:0:0: East

of

> GMT),

> > > > > > Edinburgh, Scotland

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is Leo rising, with Mars in Lagan, Lgnesh is in 12 H

> with

> > > Sa and

> > > > > > reg Me.

> > > > > > Ju is in 3 H and is aspecting 9H of Bhagya.

> > > > > > Mo is in 8H conjunct with Ra, in Meen rashi ( Jal

tatwa)

> > > which may

> > > > > > explain his having Cystic Fibrosis( drying up of

> secretions)

> > > since

> > > > > birth.

> > > > > > There is also a partial grah malika yog beginning from

> Venus

> > > ( thus

> > > > > > affliction at birth) and ending with Ju.

> > > > > > The key thus lies with Ju which will be the guiding

force

> in

> > > his life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the chart I get, is it not the right one?

> > > > > > Please guide me if I am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:23 PM

> > > > > > Re: chart of child with cystic

> fibrosis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margaret,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Jupiter occupying a Kendra and aspecting the 8th

> bhava,

> > > let us hope

> > > > > > the child will have a good length of life. The fact

that

> he

> > > has the

> > > > > > problems at birth are in line with Moon occupying the

8th

> > > bhava, but

> > > > > > being lagnesha, should give a good physique when the

child

> > > recovers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marg wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The news has just sadly been broken that Gordon

Brown's

> > > second son

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown, has cystic fibrosis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > James Fraser Brown was born 17th July 2006, at

> Edinburgh Royal

> > > > > > > hospital, 08:00 am GMT (09:00am BST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cystic fibrosis is the most commonly diagnosed

> condition of

> > > one in

> > > > > > > five in white European babies, and currently life

> expectancy

> > > is thirty

> > > > > > > to forty years only. The Chancellor is hoping that

gene

> > > research will

> > > > > > > uncover cures that will extend his son's life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Brown's now live above number ten Downing Street,

> the

> > > official

> > > > > > > residence of the Prime Minister, due to the need for

> > > additional

> > > > > > > security for the young family.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone see in his natal chart any hope for the

> > > prolongation of

> > > > > > > the little baby's life, and the removal of the

> condition?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > margaret

> > > > > > >

December 4, 2006

Yes this is all so true sadly, for if we could rely on the ayanamsa, correct calculations with software, accurate longitude and latitude of planets etc even before we assure ourselves of correct birth time then we could rely on the ultimate prediction in shastiamsa.

-

Bhaskar

Monday, December 04, 2006 5:53 PM